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Bronco Bob
04-22-2007, 06:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_neighborhood_barrier

Al-Maliki: No wall in Baghdad community



By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt -
Iraq's prime minister said Sunday that he has ordered a halt to the U.S. military construction of a barrier separating a Sunni enclave from surrounding Shiite areas in Baghdad after fierce criticism over the project at home.

The challenge to the U.S. initiative came as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki began a regional tour to shore up support from mostly Sunni Arab nations for his Shiite-dominated government as sectarian violence persists despite a nearly 10-week-old security crackdown.

The U.S. military announced last week that it was building a three-mile-long and 12-foot-tall concrete wall in Azamiyah, a Sunni stronghold in northern Baghdad whose residents have often been the victims of retaliatory mortar attacks by Shiite militants following bombings usually blamed on Sunni insurgents.

U.S. and Iraqi officials defended plans for the barrier as an effort to protect the neighborhood, but residents and Sunni leaders complained it was a form of discrimination that would isolate the community. A large protest was scheduled for Monday in the area.

In his first public comments on the issue, al-Maliki said Sunday that he had ordered the construction to stop.

"I oppose the building of the wall and its construction will stop," al-Maliki said during a joint news conference with the secretary-general of the Arab League. "There are other methods to protect neighborhoods, but I should point out that the goal was not to separate, but to protect."

He did not elaborate but added "this wall reminds us of other walls that we reject, so I've ordered it to stop and to find other means of protection for the neighborhoods." He wasn't more specific but apparently was referring to the Berlin Wall during the Cold War and Israel's construction of a barrier in the West Bank to keep out suicide bombers.

U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Garver declined to comment on whether construction of the wall would stop, saying only that all security measures were constantly under discussion.

frerottenextelway
04-22-2007, 07:24 PM
When your best idea is to build a 3-mile wall, you've run out of good ideas. It's time to let them figure out their own mess.

ant1999e
04-22-2007, 08:29 PM
When your best idea is to build a 3-mile wall, you've run out of good ideas. It's time to let them figure out their own mess.

You may be right. They'd just blow it up anyway.

mhgaffney
04-22-2007, 08:44 PM
We are simply repeating Israel's failed wall policy.

And the failed policy of the Soviet Union in the case of Berlin.

So where's the exit strategy?

bendog
04-23-2007, 11:43 AM
It seems more akin to the ghettos in Europe and the Near East of the late 19th century. Those didn't work out too good. Biden was saying the Iraqis are going to ethnically cleanse. Our military strategy - which Hill seems to want to continue - is taking casualties to keep the lid on ethnic cleansing for it to be more gradual. Hill may want to move more towards putting the troops back into camps, and only coming out sort of like cavalry sweeps against any large band of hostiles.

colosilverado
04-23-2007, 12:56 PM
When your best idea is to build a 3-mile wall, you've run out of good ideas. It's time to let them figure out their own mess.

Totally agree here. A freakin' wall??.....you have GOT to be kidding. Wow! I realize that you have to be there to understand some of the calls that are made, but WTF?
Imagine the message and political implications that building a wall like that would send. Whomever had that idea needs to be relieved of any power that they had. If Bush comes out and mentions something about "peace without honor" or something, I am going to puke. Of all the bass-ackwards things that could be done, that has got to be the worst. You might has well implement that plan of dividing that country into smaller countries for each group at that point.

Ya know, I figured that there was some bungled thinking going on over there (among other places), but this is just too much.

Rohirrim
04-23-2007, 01:13 PM
Damn it! If only we didn't have those defeatist Democrats on Capitol Hill like Reid, saying we've already "Lost" in Iraq we could still win this thing.

bendog
04-23-2007, 03:12 PM
They're still lying, and so are at least some of the Dims. We've lost beyond any question IF the definition of victory is a secular, united Iraq. Sistani and the moderates are irrelevant because Sadr is winning his military campaign. We should have arrested his murdering ass years ago, but we didn't because the idiot moderates feared arousing the ire of the young shiaa who have zero education, and now those young shiaa are killing the moderates.

We can't stop al queda and the young shiaa from assassinating any Sunni who raises a question about peace.

We can't protect the shiaa from sunni suicide bombers, nor can we protect the sunni from Sadr's torture with power drill and then kill death squads.

So Bushii has redefinied victory, to the extent he is capable of defining anything. It seems now to be a lower level of violence that will let us pull out. But that's insane because our occupation legitimizes al queda (in their view) and opposing our occupation somehow justifies suicide bombers who seek to destablize the govt. Al queda, and their ilk, are not sustainable movements, because essentially they are anarchists; they oppose any govt - al queda as a governing group, see the Taliban. brutal, ineffective and unpopular. But, all-ah-mucky is in such a weak position because of his need of us to exist, he's off begging support from sunni countries. He can't ask Iraqi sunnis for help, because his own supporter Sadr is butchering them.

The current "plan" seems to be to just hang there and try to keep the thing a low grade civil war, with the hope that either they'll just get tired or finally get enough ethnic cleansing to live apart.

The wall thing is just bushii sending the army mixed signals as to what the mission is. And Hill isn't exactly disagreeing.

Garcia Bronco
04-23-2007, 03:26 PM
We should leave...tomorrow...let'em burn each other to the last man.

Bronco Bob
04-23-2007, 04:00 PM
The current "plan" seems to be to just hang there and try to keep the thing a low grade civil war, with the hope that either they'll just get tired or finally get enough ethnic cleansing to live apart.


The current Bush plan is to hang around until January 2009 and let the next
potus deal with being blamed for losing Iraq.

Garcia Bronco
04-23-2007, 04:33 PM
The current Bush plan is to hang around until January 2009 and let the next
potus deal with being blamed for losing Iraq.

I agree

bendog
04-23-2007, 05:10 PM
The current Bush plan is to hang around until January 2009 and let the next
potus deal with being blamed for losing Iraq.

Yes, but coming from Bushii will it be an outright lie or a self-delusion? I've come to think the man is so shallow that he can find people to tell him something he wants to hear, and he then comes to convince himself it must be true

What's gonna be wierd is if Rudi can win the nomination and still convince the maj of voters he isn't for the war. We could actually see Hill running with a "sort of" platform where she's not for the war, but doesn't want to be blamed for losing it. I don't get it. The Dim voters appear to hate the war, yet she's leading.

TailgateNut
04-23-2007, 05:45 PM
Damn it! If only we didn't have those defeatist Democrats on Capitol Hill like Reid, saying we've already "Lost" in Iraq we could still win this thing.


I knew eventually we'd figure out why we were losing. It's got to be the message were sending to those insurgents. If it wasn't for the message, they'd give up!