The Jamaal Anderson Hype Train WOO WOO!

[Drek]

Seriously, I've read a lot of threads on here where its clear people don't understand what Anderson brings.

Is he a raw talent? Sure, he's only a junior and has only started 19 games in college.

But is he talented? Like few others to ever enter the draft.

The highlights:
Two different publications ranked him a top 20 prospect from Arkansas (11th and 19th) coming out of high school. Was ranked as a top 50 player at his position nation wide. This was as a WR!

Is an Honor Roll student at Arkansas.

Despite only 19 starts in 36 games and leaving school early he's the sixth all time leading sacker in school history. 9th all time in tackles for loss, tied with Marcus Adair and NFL Hall of Famer Dan Hampton.

Lead the SEC in sacks and finished second in tackles for loss. Good enough for 3rd and 12th respectively on the national stage.

The athleticism:
Runs a 4.75 40 yard dash. Julius Peppers, a man of similar size, ran a 4.74.

Athletic comparison to Gaines Adams:
(Anderson/Adams)
40yd - 4.75 / 4.64
20yd - 2.73 / 2.71
10yd - 1.59 / 1.58
20shuttle - 4.22 / 4.36
3cone - 6.88 / 7.17
vert - 32.5" / 35"
broad - 9'8" / 9'11"
bench - 22 / 21

This is how he stacks up physically to a top 10 speed rusher who is 30 pounds lighter than him!

He's a great all around athlete with better ball skills than almost any other DE you'll ever see. He's got the frame to add another 10 pounds (already weighs 288) and not lose any speed. His biggest weakness is that he just doesn't play as strong as you'd expect a 288 pound DE to play, but thats largely a matter of technique in his case.

This guy in Bates' system would be a monster. Imagine lining him up as far as Bates likes to spread his DEs. He'll get to heat seek the QB, he can stop the run in the backfield, and he's got the ball skills and athleticism to turn bad throws into turnovers. All I see when I picture Bates getting this kid is a cross between Jason Taylor and Julius Peppers.

If we trade up to 10 this is the guy we should be after. He's raw but he's smart, he's extremely gifted, and he's an amazing fit for our system.

[Clockwork Orange]

That's why I have a hard time believing that this guys stock is slipping to where he'd be available at #21.

[Drek]

That's why I have a hard time believing that this guys stock is slipping to where he'd be available at #21.

Its not, we're gonna trade the biggest part of our draft to go up and get him at 10. Then we'll all have big **** eating grins when we see him throw up double digit sacks next year and walk with DPOY uncontested.

[-Slap-]

I wouldn't wait for his jersey to come out. I would have one custom made on draft day.

[Clockwork Orange]

Its not, we're gonna trade the biggest part of our draft to go up and get him at 10. Then we'll all have big **** eating grins when we see him throw up double digit sacks next year and walk with DPOY uncontested.

You'll get no complaints from me if that's the way it unfolds. Though, I wouldn't be all that surprised if he was already gone before the 10th pick.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Its not, we're gonna trade the biggest part of our draft to go up and get him at 10. Then we'll all have big **** eating grins when we see him throw up double digit sacks next year and walk with DPOY uncontested.
I'd be happy to trade our #21, plus the #56 and #70 for him. 21 will probably be a so-so starter after a year, and the other two in this weak draft will be backups if they even make the team. Even if we get lucky and get two solid starters out of those three picks, I'd rather have the big time DE than two starters at most other spots. Short of getting Brown at around 15 or some kind of miracle move up for Calvin Johnson, this looks like the best move to me, narrowly edging out both Willis and Landry because a difference maker is tougher to find at DE than LB or Safety.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'd be happy to trade our #21, plus the #56 and #70 for him. 21 will probably be a so-so starter after a year, and the other two in this weak draft will be backups if they even make the team. Even if we get lucky and get two solid starters out of those three picks, I'd rather have the big time DE than two starters at most other spots. Short of getting Brown at around 15 or some kind of miracle move up for Calvin Johnson, this looks like the best move to me, narrowly edging out both Willis and Landry because a difference maker is tougher to find at DE than LB or Safety.

Landry or Willis would be a hell of a consolation prize if Anderson happened to be off the board at #10.

I really hope this trade up happens.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Landry or Willis would be a hell of a consolation prize if Anderson happened to be off the board at #10.

I really hope this trade up happens.
14 more posts and you can throw yourself a party! Go Moc and rip em all off in 10 minutes...;D

[Clockwork Orange]

14 more posts and you can throw yourself a party! Go Moc and rip em all off in 10 minutes...;D

Let me go find some youtube videos that each need their own thread and I'll do just that. ;D

[Kaylore]

I'd love to have him. He's one of those guys that most of us feel would make the draft great even if we took sub-standard players in later rounds.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Let me go find some youtube videos that each need their own thread and I'll do just that. ;D
Don't you have a cat? :)

[Clockwork Orange]

Let the Fade take JaMarcus Russell and the Broncos Jamaal Anderson and we can see plenty of this for years to come.

http://static.flickr.com/108/305259003_ebcdb6c8c9_o.jpg

:~ohyah!:

[-Slap-]

Landry or Willis would be a hell of a consolation prize if Anderson happened to be off the board at #10.

I really hope this trade up happens.

I would prefer Willis over Anderson, but I would prefer Willis over everybody except Calvin Johnson.

[NFLBRONCO]

Any chance this move happens before draft?

[Clockwork Orange]

I would prefer Willis over Anderson, but I would prefer Willis over everybody except Calvin Johnson.

Willis would work just fine for me. Great player, leader and high character individual. He'd be the perfect guy to pick up the torch that Al Wilson left behind.

[-Slap-]

Willis would work just fine for me. Great player, leader and high character individual. He'd be the perfect guy to pick up the torch that Al Wilson left behind.

Al Wilson is his favorite player.

[Clockwork Orange]

Al Wilson is his favorite player.

Jesus, is there anything not to like about the guy?

One of the few articles I actually read from start to finish from my gift subscription to ESPN the magazine was about Patrick Willis. Kid got dealt a rough hand from the start, but he's always kept his head up. I remember you mentioning this before and it was in the article as well that he's already dedicated his career to his late brother.

[Kaylore]

Jesus, is there anything not to like about the guy?

Quite a few.

1. He's not a Bronco yet.

2. He's doing his best to stay in the top ten out of our reach.

3. I heard he enjoyed and owns a copy of Attack of the Clones.

[Clockwork Orange]

Quite a few.

1. He's not a Bronco yet.

2. He's doing his best to stay in the top ten out of our reach.

3. I heard he enjoyed and owns a copy of Attack of the Clones.

It's amazing how things change. Just a couple of months ago there was talk about how he could land with a division rival and haunt us for years to come if we passed him at #21. Now we're talking about jumping 11 spots just to have a shot at him.

The draft is just crazy.

[-Slap-]

Jesus, is there anything not to like about the guy?

At his pro day he made fans out of all the assembled scouts by performing every drill asked of him, even though he already did them all at the Combine.

Here's a very brief interview with him:

Q - My opponents would say the best thing I do is?

PW - Run to the ball. they never catch me standing around or not being around the ball.
Q - The part of my game that needs the most work is?

PW - Probably my pass coverage. I need to learn how to jump routes. I'm used to just dropping into zones and not playing a receiver.
Q - The NFL player I can't wait to face is?

PW - Jerious Norwood (Falcons). He got the best of me the last time we played them, when he was still at Mississippi State.

I like that he readily acknowledges the weakest part of his game. I'm confident he'll take the steps to improve.

I love that he still wants payback against a player that (he claims) got over on him in a game two years ago.

[BroncoBuff]

This is how he stacks up physically to a top 10 speed rusher who is 30 pounds lighter than him!
Yup. Like I said, the size and strength of Adam Carriker PLUS the speed and quickness of Jarvis Moss. He could play DE in a 3-4 defense, or the quick DE in a 4-3 Bates scheme - either way. And high, high character to boot. I sure hope we get a shot at him.

Despite only 19 starts in 36 games and leaving school early he's the sixth all time leading sacker in school history.
He's similar to Okoye that way - in that he just turned 21 last month, and his physical skills are already so impressive.

[BroncoBuff]

I would prefer Willis over Anderson, but I would prefer Willis over everybody except Calvin Johnson.

Impossible to argue with a 240-pound perfect tacking machine who runs a 4.39 forty. And also has high, high character.

[Dukes]

I would prefer Willis over Anderson, but I would prefer Willis over everybody except Calvin Johnson.

What would you do with the DL if Shanny got Willis?

[Drek]

What would you do with the DL if Shanny got Willis?

Grab one of the many talents out there in the 2nd to 3rd round area?

I'd be all for Willis, he and Anderson are dead even atop my favorites for the Broncos. If we take Willis we can get a DE project later, if we take Anderson we can get a 2nd or 3rd round LB to groom as well.

The only reason I have a preference at all is that Anderson will be on the field every play while Willis likely will be taken out in our nickel packages, since coverage is his weakest skill and both Gold and DJ are good coverage LBs. Thats the only deciding factor for me personally wanting Anderson if we trade up.

[Play2win]

Does anybody else get the feeling (sometimes) that Shanny might be de-emphasizing the LB position in favor of the D-Line (and secondary).

That Shanahan is going to invest the High Draft Picks and the big money in the D-Line (and secondary), and just have "solid" players at LB'er. In this day and age of the salary cap, you can't have the big money everywhere, so Shanny might just prioritizing money to the D-Line for the next few years...

[Drek]

Does anybody else get the feeling (sometimes) that Shanny might be de-emphasizing the LB position in favor of the D-Line (and secondary).

That Shanahan is going to invest the High Draft Picks and the big money in the D-Line (and secondary), and just have "solid" players at LB'er. In this day and age of the salary cap, you can't have the big money everywhere, so Shanny might just prioritizing money to the D-Line for the next few years...

I don't know, everyone thought that about the secondary when we signed Champ, but we just added Bly this winter.

As it stands now we have a big money linebacker in Gold and a first round pick in Williams. Thats some hefty investment in the LBs.

Wilson being cut is a result of his health and play the last couple years, not his contract. I don't care what anyone says, the money wasn't that damn tight. I'm sure if he was playing for $2M a year they'd have given it another go, but thats the extent of Wilson's contract playing a role, it made him impossible to take a chance on.

We will see a renewed focus on the DL though. Thats Bates style and he's not here to look pretty. Shanahan wants someone to take charge of the defense and he'll do whats necessary to get it straightened out. But expeting it to happen in one year? Thats asking too much.

I think Anderson is a target of ours, which I love, but people expecting us to pick up a pair of DEs and a DT in this one draft are dreaming. Bates is going to take a year to evaluate what we already have before really handing in his shopping list to the FO.

Thats part of the reason I want Anderson so bad. He's got speed rusher athleticism but has the size of a power end and has been playing LDE in college. Its perfect, we let him stay at LDE and generate pressure from that side while Dumervil grows into a RDE role opposite him. They'll both be ferocious pass rushing ends who just need some big DTs to suck up blockers and let them line up outside the TEs.

[Play2win]

I don't know, everyone thought that about the secondary when we signed Champ, but we just added Bly this winter.

As it stands now we have a big money linebacker in Gold and a first round pick in Williams. Thats some hefty investment in the LBs.

Wilson being cut is a result of his health and play the last couple years, not his contract. I don't care what anyone says, the money wasn't that damn tight. I'm sure if he was playing for $2M a year they'd have given it another go, but thats the extent of Wilson's contract playing a role, it made him impossible to take a chance on.

We will see a renewed focus on the DL though. Thats Bates style and he's not here to look pretty. Shanahan wants someone to take charge of the defense and he'll do whats necessary to get it straightened out. But expeting it to happen in one year? Thats asking too much.

I think Anderson is a target of ours, which I love, but people expecting us to pick up a pair of DEs and a DT in this one draft are dreaming. Bates is going to take a year to evaluate what we already have before really handing in his shopping list to the FO.

Thats part of the reason I want Anderson so bad. He's got speed rusher athleticism but has the size of a power end and has been playing LDE in college. Its perfect, we let him stay at LDE and generate pressure from that side while Dumervil grows into a RDE role opposite him. They'll both be ferocious pass rushing ends who just need some big DTs to suck up blockers and let them line up outside the TEs.

Sounds good to me. Another thing is we don't have a D Cordinator anymore that is trying to turn his own (previous) unit into superstars. Some of the logic in the past few years that directed our defense was a little sketchy. Now we got a guy who will work more in absolutes, he's going to do whats best for this defense in any given situation.

[R8R H8R]

I'd be happy to trade our #21, plus the #56 and #70 for him. 21 will probably be a so-so starter after a year, and the other two in this weak draft will be backups if they even make the team.

I agree with your arguement, but I don't think we have to give them #70.

To move up to #10 we need 500 points. (1300-800).
#56 is 340 pts. and #86(3b) is 160 pts. Presto, 500 points exactly. This would leave us with a high 3rd at #70 to get a DT,Safety, or WR.

I really like this trade. We can get a stud on DL, and Kubiak can get badley needed extra picks. :sunshine:

[R8R H8R]

Any chance this move happens before draft?

I would think if Shanny had two or three players targeted, where he could be certain at least one of them would be there at #10, he would do it now.

On the other hand, if he has just one guy targeted, he might as well wait to see if he is still there.

Speaking of targeted players, I hope Ginn isn't one of those targeted players that he would move up to #10 to get. I would be OK with taking him @#21 if by chance he fell, but otherwise pass.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I would think if Shanny had two or three players targeted, where he could be certain at least one of them would be there at #10, he would do it now.


No he wouldn't do it even if he knew all 3 players would be there. Why do you trade to 10 when all 3 of your targets are going to be there? You make the move when one is left, so you're not wasting assets. There's a big difference between what it takes to #10 and what it takes to get to #15.

[NFLBRONCO]

What are the targets Anderson and Willis

[Play2win]

What are the targets Anderson and Willis

I still say (also) BRANCH, no matter all the hearsay about him...

[R8R H8R]

No he wouldn't do it even if he knew all 3 players would be there. Why do you trade to 10 when all 3 of your targets are going to be there? You make the move when one is left, so you're not wasting assets. There's a big difference between what it takes to #10 and what it takes to get to #15.

Because nothing is certain in the draft.

[DenverDuo]

Anderson would make me about as happy as could be, even if we'd only have one more pick on the first day. Willis wouldn't exactly make me destroy my TV either. I love the idea of moving up to 10.

[NFLBRONCO]

I would think Ginn is also on our list

[Broncos_OTM]

i'd break my tv if we traded up and took ginn..

[Kaylore]

i'd break my tv if we traded up and took ginn..

You could come over to my house and help me break mine when you were done. That would really, really suck.

[27atwater]

no way i give away pix for anderson. Carriker, Spencer and Moss are gonna be badasses as well. There are DEs to be had at 21. Same for S and OLB. The only guy I wanna trade up for is Joe Thomas...and I don't wanna go as high as we'd need to. Stand pat and get some depth on the D. Guys like Moss, Spencer, harrell, Posluszny, Griffin, Nelson, etc could all potentially be there at 21. Why send 3 pix to get Anderson?

[U GOT JACKED UP]

Trade up to 10 and then move 10 to the bills for their 12th and a second rounder. I think they would make that trade if they thought we were gonna take willis.

[Killericon]

-Slap-, you've convinced me on Willis, but I'm still an Okoye fan. If we get to #10 and he's still on the board, we'd better pull the trigger.

[Drek]

no way i give away pix for anderson. Carriker, Spencer and Moss are gonna be badasses as well. There are DEs to be had at 21. Same for S and OLB. The only guy I wanna trade up for is Joe Thomas...and I don't wanna go as high as we'd need to. Stand pat and get some depth on the D. Guys like Moss, Spencer, harrell, Posluszny, Griffin, Nelson, etc could all potentially be there at 21. Why send 3 pix to get Anderson?

Carriker will go around the same time as Anderson, the other two are very similar to Elvis Dumervil. We're in need of a guy who can create pressure from LDE as we have a trio of decent RDEs already. Thats why you trade up for Anderson, so we can start him at LDE with the other three rotating at RDE and backing up both spots. One of them will emerge as a capable starting RDE in Bates' scheme while Anderson will excel at LDE. Pass rush issues solved.

We need guys who aren't scrawny pussies on the DL, not more one dimensional pass rushers.

Trade up to 10 and then move 10 to the bills for their 12th and a second rounder. I think they would make that trade if they thought we were gonna take willis.

That'd take one hell of a snow job though. I'd rather just offer Carolina the chance to jump Buffalo for Willis. San Fran will want fits for a 3-4 or offensive help, so Branch, Carriker, or Levi Brown are their likely choices. Buffalo won't take Anderson, they just put a ton of money into Schobel, so they'd probably take Leon Hall to replace Clements. St. Louis already has an established LDE in Little, reportedly loves Ginn, and could use help in the secondary and at DT more than DE. If Branch is there he's probably their top pick, followed by Ginn, then one of the DBs if they can't have either of those. That'd leave us free and clear at 14 to get Anderson along with whatever we can squeeze out of Carolina. Maybe Jenkins, maybe a couple extra first day picks, who knows.

[NFLBRONCO]

Everybody is assuming Houston/Denver trade. Houston might eye AP and not want to move down.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Denver's not going to move up and then move back down

[Mediator12]

Sounds good to me. Another thing is we don't have a D Cordinator anymore that is trying to turn his own (previous) unit into superstars. Some of the logic in the past few years that directed our defense was a little sketchy. Now we got a guy who will work more in absolutes, he's going to do whats best for this defense in any given situation.

This is a really poor analysis of how denver ran its defense the last four years. It is a an assertion that Coyer cared about the LB's more than the defense as a whole and is counter to what actually happened.

Bates is more structured in his scheme than Coyer ever was. Coyer actually employed five different scheme's in four years that adjusted to the defenses strengths and covered its weaknesses. Bates has simply played variations of the same scheme in both Miami and GB with mixed success as well. If anything, Bates will make the defense play to his scheme more than Coyer ever forced them to play to his.

[Play2win]

This is a really poor analysis of how denver ran its defense the last four years. It is a an assertion that Coyer cared about the LB's more than the defense as a whole and is counter to what actually happened.

Bates is more structured in his scheme than Coyer ever was. Coyer actually employed five different scheme's in four years that adjusted to the defenses strengths and covered its weaknesses. Bates has simply played variations of the same scheme in both Miami and GB with mixed success as well. If anything, Bates will make the defense play to his scheme more than Coyer ever forced them to play to his.

You missed the point. Bates is not from within "The Family", so there are no bonding/political/relationship issues. I think that is evidant (sadly) with the Al Wilson situation. Regardless of your affiliation with him or not, I find it hard to believe Coyer would have ever let Wilson go. Point is, NOW, Bates can shape the defense his way, he can keep the top guys and he can (without politics) let the guys go that don't cut the mustard.

Makes you wonder how much longer GOLD will be a Denver Bronco...

[Broncos_OTM]

You could come over to my house and help me break mine when you were done. That would really, really suck.and le it be known i have a high priced tv.. maybe i should get out the ole black and white. or maybe get one of those bricks they had out a couple of years ago that was styrafoam(sp)

[27atwater]

Carriker will go around the same time as Anderson, the other two are very similar to Elvis Dumervil. We're in need of a guy who can create pressure from LDE as we have a trio of decent RDEs already. Thats why you trade up for Anderson, so we can start him at LDE with the other three rotating at RDE and backing up both spots. One of them will emerge as a capable starting RDE in Bates' scheme while Anderson will excel at LDE. Pass rush issues solved.

We need guys who aren't scrawny pussies on the DL, not more one dimensional pass rushers.



That'd take one hell of a snow job though. I'd rather just offer Carolina the chance to jump Buffalo for Willis. San Fran will want fits for a 3-4 or offensive help, so Branch, Carriker, or Levi Brown are their likely choices. Buffalo won't take Anderson, they just put a ton of money into Schobel, so they'd probably take Leon Hall to replace Clements. St. Louis already has an established LDE in Little, reportedly loves Ginn, and could use help in the secondary and at DT more than DE. If Branch is there he's probably their top pick, followed by Ginn, then one of the DBs if they can't have either of those. That'd leave us free and clear at 14 to get Anderson along with whatever we can squeeze out of Carolina. Maybe Jenkins, maybe a couple extra first day picks, who knows.


and you are Ok w/ using 3 pix to get him? lunacy. Moss will end up better overall. He's never been weak vs the run. He has dominated in the best conference in college. He is light, but he did have the health issue which caused some weight loss. reports are that the weight will be back on. He'll never be 290, but he'll likley end up near 275...but he's fine as he is now. And Bates seems to do well w/ guys who have a Jason Taylor-like build.