View Full Version : Reggie Nelson anyone???
Iron Lung
04-21-2007, 05:24 PM
I think he would be a great addition to our secondary, Lynch only has a few seasons left, if that.. And am i the only one who doesnt like ferguson???
No matter how badly we need DL there are only 2 guys i would even take in the 1st round....okeye = gone... jamaal anderson = gone... Shanny is a big beleiver of taking the best player available in rounds 1-4, we have pressing needs on both the Oline, as well as Dline, But honestly can we afford to take a chance with guys like ginn jr, jarrett, nelson still on the board????
And last but not least, what do you guys think about burning our #70 on RB bush out of louisville... gore,mcgahee have been great....
blake0052
04-21-2007, 05:34 PM
i'd rather pick up darius walker later in the draft instead of Bush. We already have two power backs in Henry and Bell and I think we would benefit more with a scat-back type of player like walker
ludo21
04-21-2007, 05:34 PM
I really like Nelson, but we need to go DL in the first round.
Its been far too long that we havent addressed that need seriously. I say trade up and guarantee we get a Carriker, Okoye, or Anderson..
If we can not land Adams, Anderson or Carriker (in that order) I say go for BPA... And NO, Ted Ginn does not count.
cutthemdown
04-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Really as long as the player drafted becomes a starter and plays well I could care less what position it's at. Really the draft doesn't usually help all that much first year. If one player cracks the starting lineup you are doing pretty good. More importantly is that players aquired last yr or yr before start to step into roles with the team. Either through starting and making plays, or by being a good role player and not making mistakes. For Broncos to be good players like Kuper/Pears/M.Bell/Foxworth/Scheffler/Marshall/Cutler will have to be the ones that make Broncos better. If we get a gem in the draft that helps this year that would just be a bonus. But you must help more your second and third year so those players I listed I think are the keys to Broncos season.
Iron Lung
04-21-2007, 05:47 PM
Mike Bell is not a power back... I have no clue where you got that ideal..
Travis Henry is not the answer either....i get that we need help on the dline, but denver has passed up awesome S talent in the past 5 years....Edward Reed, Bob Sanders,Troy Polomalu...And i do beleive this kid is on the same level... Okoye is a B E A S T, as well as Anderson, i dont like Gaines, and that fat kid out of michigan has bust written all over his lazy ass....
sit still....Mike Shanahan is the hardest guy to figure on draft day, no one had a clue we were targeting a guy like cutler.....
cutthemdown
04-21-2007, 05:49 PM
i could care less what position like I said, but I do think Broncos lack young talent on defense. Outside of weakside linebacker and cornerback we really have no youth. Look for Broncos to draft at least 4 defensive players this draft.
Iron Lung
04-21-2007, 05:50 PM
Yeah your right, a game breaker like Ted Ginn would be a horrible pick, the broncos special teams are the best in the league, and we dont have scarred 5th string WR"S running into blockers all sunday... I say we shoot for an average starting position around the 15 yard line....
blake0052
04-21-2007, 06:12 PM
I distinctly remember Mike Bell taking colts players head on and running right over them the entire 2nd half. He may not be a typical power back but he plays with a chip on his shoulder and seems to play bigger than he is. Don't forget about Cedric Cobbs either....he was banged up last year but he might be able to contribute when healthy. Oh, and Travis Henry is the answer..what's not to like?
Billy Clyde Puckett
04-21-2007, 06:14 PM
Nelson would be Ok, but he has a pretty long learning curve. At florida he was allowed to basically free lance and take wild chances. He needs to learn to play with discipline to make it in the NFL. He is also slightly undersized.
Kaylore
04-21-2007, 06:22 PM
Nelson would be Ok, but he has a pretty long learning curve. At florida he was allowed to basically free lance and take wild chances. He needs to learn to play with discipline to make it in the NFL. He is also slightly undersized.
^5
footstepsfrom#27
04-21-2007, 06:32 PM
I like Nelson better than any of the defensive ends that are likely to fall to #21 but I'd rather package something to move up for Houston's spot at #10 where at least one of Anderson, Adams, Brown, Landry, Okoye or Willis will definitely be there.
I haven't heard anyone mention Aaron Rouse...6'4", 225, ran in the 4.3's and h's a vicious hitter at that SS spot. The knock on him is that he's going to need more coaching...but that's what coaches are for...so with that kind of talent, if he's there in the 2nd, he'd be a nice pickup if we're still looking for a safety.
Houshyamama
04-21-2007, 06:34 PM
Mike Shanahan is the hardest guy to figure on draft day, no one had a clue we were targeting a guy like cutler.....
That's why I love being a Bronco fan on draft day. :thumbsup:
I think most people on this board will be surprised by our day one picks, myself included. Because I think our most glaring need is DT, it will probably not be addressed by the first pick. But then again that means I actually don't think our first pick will be DT, which means it probably will be. I'm confusing myself.
footstepsfrom#27
04-21-2007, 06:40 PM
That's why I love being a Bronco fan on draft day. :thumbsup:
I think most people on this board will be surprised by our day one picks, myself included. Because I think our most glaring need is DT, it will probably not be addressed by the first pick. But then again that means I actually don't think our first pick will be DT, which means it probably will be. I'm confusing myself.
He'll be picking somebody that will make you want to put your fist through a wall...;D
BroncoMan4ever
04-22-2007, 12:23 AM
And last but not least, what do you guys think about burning our #70 on RB bush out of louisville... gore,mcgahee have been great....
i would be fine with grabbing Nelson, and would be beyond ecstatic if we got Bush with 70.
i say use our 70 on Bush, sit him in IR this season to let his foot heal up, get him short yardage carries next season split carries with Henry the year after and make him the workhorse the year after that.
By 2010 he would be the best RB in the league in Denver.
Popcorn Sutton
04-22-2007, 12:41 AM
Mike Bell is not a power back... I have no clue where you got that ideal..
Travis Henry is not the answer either....i get that we need help on the dline, but denver has passed up awesome S talent in the past 5 years....Edward Reed, Bob Sanders,Troy Polomalu...And i do beleive this kid is on the same level... Okoye is a B E A S T, as well as Anderson, i dont like Gaines, and that fat kid out of michigan has bust written all over his lazy ass....
sit still....Mike Shanahan is the hardest guy to figure on draft day, no one had a clue we were targeting a guy like cutler.....
What part of Travis Henry running for 1200 yards in 14 games last year did you not like? He is a perfect fit for the zone blocking system. We still have Mike Bell who played very well in the red zone last year and I think Cobbs is still on the roster and he showed flashes last preseason. The offseason has for the most part been spent on the offensive side of the ball and I'd have to agree with Cutthemdown on this one. There will be at least 4 players drafted on the defensive side of the ball this year.
yerner
04-22-2007, 12:58 AM
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Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size and strength. Is not capable of matching up in the box. Much better in coverage than in run support. He's frequently late in diagnosing the run. He shows good initial pop for his size but he's not overly strong as a tackler. He leads with his shoulder on most occasions and looks for the knockout blow. As a result, he puts his head down and fails to wrap up on too many occasions. He has struggled academically; there are concerns regarding his mental capacity and ability to get his teammates lined up from the safety position. Marginal score on the Wonderlic Test.
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Vladimir
04-22-2007, 06:12 AM
I think Reggie will be good and all but the Broncos need DL help before safety help IMO.
400HZ
04-22-2007, 10:25 AM
I've read that his stock is dropping over intelligence concerns. He couldn't go right from high school into college because he didn't have the grades, and it sounds like he barely stayed passing in college. I don't think book smarts in and of itself is important for a football player, but a lot of times its an indication of a weak work ethic. Have you guys seen Eric Weddle? I'm personally pretty hot for him.
Reggie Nelson anyone??
Yes please.
He'll learn slow, but our defensive system is relatively simple and to the point. With his incredible talent, at free safety, he should do well as a Bronco. Assuming the DL we really want is not there, we should go for the best player available at #21 (where there is at least a small need). We can then get our DL from rounds two and three - and possibly Jenkins.
Kaylore
04-22-2007, 02:07 PM
Yes please.
He'll learn slow, but our defensive system is relatively simple and to the point. With his incredible talent, at free safety, he should do well as a Bronco. Assuming the DL we really want is not there, we should go for the best player available at #21 (where there is at least a small need). We can then get our DL from rounds two and three - and possibly Jenkins.
Actually in Bates' defense they need to safeties to be very intelligent as they are the read and react guys and most of the other players just play a gap with the corners pressing in man.
SureShot
04-22-2007, 02:44 PM
Safeties play a big role in the run game in Bates' scheme if remember correctly. So we might want them a little bit bigger.
Actually in Bates' defense they need to safeties to be very intelligent as they are the read and react guys and most of the other players just play a gap with the corners pressing in man.
I thought his intelligence was a primarily concern when it came to learning complicated defensive playbooks or complicated defensive schemes. Is it not true that Nelson has an "instinctive" ability to "read and react" at free safety? I respect your opinion on these things, so just to reiterate, what do you think about Nelson in Bates' system: maybe yes at FS or definitely not?
NW Bolt Fan
04-22-2007, 03:13 PM
Travis Henry is not the answer either.....
I believe you'll be VERY pleasantly surprised. I hope I'm wrong, but Henry plays the game- hard.
As for Nelso for you guys, I'm hoping you go after a D-lineman, precisely because of the reasons most of you have mentioned. Alot of talent will be gone... I'd love to see you guys end up with Jarvis Moss.
Kaylore
04-22-2007, 03:17 PM
I thought his intelligence was a primarily concern when it came to learning complicated defensive playbooks or complicated defensive schemes. Is it not true that Nelson has an "instinctive" ability to "read and react" at free safety? I respect your opinion on these things, so just to reiterate, what do you think about Nelson in Bates' system: maybe yes at FS or definitely not?
I would say no. He's more of a ballhawk/rover style safety. I know if you go over to Broncomania they'll all tell you "OMG w3 N##6 @ 8@11HaWK @sAf7y!!!!" or "Cover safety" or whatever term they like throwing around. The thing is there really isn't such a guy in this defense. Nelson is pretty small, as others have pointed out, and there are emerging concerns about how together he is upstairs.
We have the best set of corners in the league. Generally they can match up one on one with most receivers and hold their own - if not dominate. Our division is also loaded with run-first type of offenses. Bates system leans on the safeties making plays in run support. Can you see where I'm going with this?;)
TheDave
04-22-2007, 03:21 PM
The most persistent rumor of the entire draft is that Reggie nelson is as dumb as a post... No Thanks we've already had the Eric Brown experiment.
I would say no. He's more of a ballhawk/rover style safety. I know if you go over to Broncomania they'll all tell you "OMG w3 N##6 @ 8@11HaWK @sAf7y!!!!" or "Cover safety" or whatever term they like throwing around. The thing is there really isn't such a guy in this defense. Nelson is pretty small, as others have pointed out, and there are emerging concerns about how together he is upstairs.
We have the best set of corners in the league. Generally they can match up one on one with most receivers and hold their own - if not dominate. Our division is also loaded with run-first type of offenses. Bates system leans on the safeties making plays in run support. Can you see where I'm going with this?;)
The most persistent rumor of the entire draft is that Reggie nelson is as dumb as a post... No Thanks we've already had the Eric Brown experiment.
I think I've heard enough. I am officially withdrawing my support for Reggie Nelson. :pimp:
The best scenario in round one would likely be to trade up for Jamaal Anderson. Though we'd still need Jenkins, we might even trade a future first day pick for him.
At #21?: I hope Ted Ginn Jr. is still on the board, if not, Justin Harrell looks good, assuming we don't get Jenkins.
ton80
04-22-2007, 06:21 PM
Really as long as the player drafted becomes a starter and plays well I could care less what position it's at. Really the draft doesn't usually help all that much first year. If one player cracks the starting lineup you are doing pretty good. More importantly is that players aquired last yr or yr before start to step into roles with the team. Either through starting and making plays, or by being a good role player and not making mistakes. For Broncos to be good players like Kuper/Pears/M.Bell/Foxworth/Scheffler/Marshall/Cutler will have to be the ones that make Broncos better. If we get a gem in the draft that helps this year that would just be a bonus. But you must help more your second and third year so those players I listed I think are the keys to Broncos season.
I like your analysis.
SpringStein
04-22-2007, 10:07 PM
I couldn't care less about his classroom "smarts". He wasn't nicknamed The Eraser for struggling in the classroom - but for covering for teammates mistakes.
If he's there and we take him, the bar is open.
Paladin
04-22-2007, 10:38 PM
So Rouse is a better choice at S? Agreed. I would bet that Shanahan does not like to draft players that are "slow". He's had a couple of them around, and they are more problematic than helpful. That's why I don't think Nelson would get picked by Denver.
I like Nelson but I'd rather have a bigger hitter - a guy who wraps up better. However a SAFETY at 21 would leave me short of complaint.
Elway777
04-24-2007, 02:22 PM
Nelson would be a solid pick for the Broncos. If the Broncos draft Nelson then maybe draft Johnson or Crowder in in the second.