View Full Version : Trading picks for proven guys?
While I would like to get a DL in the early part of the draft, I still think this team should consider trades for outstanding young and proven NFL players and give up a draft pick, sorta like what we did last year for Walker. We can address some needs later in the draft for depth but I kinda like the trend here that Mike is on with bringing in proven guys and giving up a high 2nd, or even a high 2nd and swap 1st to go down a bit. It's possible we could do that and land Vilma. That would be a smart move. Vilma would give us immediate impact, he's primed and ready for Probowl year. A rookie might take a few years. I think Shanny has started to assemble the next dominant team that should stay for years. I think we are starting to see a good young nucleus of players in Denver now and just a few more key guys and we could be set for years. It might take a few years to get them all but I'd rather do that then put together a bad draft.
Clockwork Orange
04-20-2007, 08:36 PM
You have to be careful with that strategy. The Redskins did quite a bit of it over the last couple of years and the results have not been all that favorable.
listopencil
04-20-2007, 08:44 PM
Getting Vilma and Jenkins for our 2nd and high 3rd would be fine by me.
eddie mac
04-20-2007, 08:46 PM
What people dont take into account when you trade away 2nd rounders onwards for existing vets is that in most cases the cap numbers for the vets are going to be far more excessive than the pittance non-1st rd picks get. That's why year after year the Redskins have to dump players they gave up draft picks for the previous season.
Say for example we traded a 3rd rd pick for KGB this year. His cap hit would be $5m plus this year, the rookie's would be around a tenth of that.
The most cost-effective trades are for players in the last 1-2 years of their initial rookie deals, i.e Javon Walker. Which means you can properly assess them for 1 season and then decide whether they're worth the blockbuster deal.
watermock
04-20-2007, 08:47 PM
You have to be careful with that strategy. The Redskins did quite a bit of it over the last couple of years and the results have not been all that favorable.
Trading a second and swapping firsts is hardly throwing away the draft. For the last time...Denver NEEDS a MLB.
That doesn't make us the Skins. We would still have a reletively full draft, especially if you counted Vilma like I did Walker.
I think but am not sure we would have 6 picks still including three in the first three rounds. Washinton castrated their draft. I think they have a first and their late 6th. That wouldn't be the case for Denver. Again...we are going to have to get a MLB regardless.
ward63
04-20-2007, 08:55 PM
Trading for Vilma would be HUGE! Especially after you pair him up w/his boy DJ from the U!
Atlas
04-20-2007, 09:01 PM
Trading for players is fine but it can wreck havok on a team's cap. Cap wise Jenkins and Vilma would be impossible, Not for this year but remember Both DJ Williams and Vilma's contracts are going to be up. No way Denver resigns both.
Thus is trading a 2nd for Vilma worth it in the short run since you'll lose him or DJ? I'd leave Vilma alone and trade for Jenkins. Jenkins already has a contract that runs for 3 more years... I believe.
footstepsfrom#27
04-20-2007, 09:01 PM
Let's just learn how to draft.
Trading an occassional pick for a vet like Walker makes sense. Doing it every year doesn't.
watermock
04-20-2007, 09:03 PM
For the last time, this isn't a cap issue. He can get a new contract in 08.
Clockwork Orange
04-20-2007, 09:42 PM
Trading a second and swapping firsts is hardly throwing away the draft. For the last time...Denver NEEDS a MLB.
That doesn't make us the Skins. We would still have a reletively full draft, especially if you counted Vilma like I did Walker.
I think but am not sure we would have 6 picks still including three in the first three rounds. Washinton castrated their draft. I think they have a first and their late 6th. That wouldn't be the case for Denver. Again...we are going to have to get a MLB regardless.
Nowhere did I say anything about throwing away the draft, drunky. I simply said that you have to be careful when employing that strategy. Try not to let that fly over your pointed head a second time.
listopencil
04-20-2007, 09:46 PM
Trading for players is fine but it can wreck havok on a team's cap. Cap wise Jenkins and Vilma would be impossible, Not for this year but remember Both DJ Williams and Vilma's contracts are going to be up. No way Denver resigns both.
Thus is trading a 2nd for Vilma worth it in the short run since you'll lose him or DJ? I'd leave Vilma alone and trade for Jenkins. Jenkins already has a contract that runs for 3 more years... I believe.
What if we dump Gold and find a cheaper replacement for him when the time comes? Then we could afford Vilma, move DJ over to replace Gold and sign a cheaper guy to replace DJ. Is it worth it to have above average guys on the middle and on one side-instead of both outside slots?
watermock
04-20-2007, 10:05 PM
We can afford Vilma just fine. I don't know where this comes from. Next year we can give him a new contract.
watermock
04-20-2007, 10:11 PM
Nowhere did I say anything about throwing away the draft, drunky. I simply said that you have to be careful when employing that strategy. Try not to let that fly over your pointed head a second time.
The hell you didn't, Dummy.
You have to be careful with that strategy. The Redskins did quite a bit of it over the last couple of years and the results have not been all that favorable.
Washington has two picks I believe. I think we have 6, and getting Vilma wouldn't be throwing away a pick at all.
History doesn't support that with Denver whatsoever. This is a 3 year veteran going into a contract year in 08. BFD. You want us to give back Walker to get our second back?
watermock
04-20-2007, 10:15 PM
People are in the draft forum willing to give up the farm for Gaines Adams. Go whine at them.
Clockwork Orange
04-20-2007, 10:25 PM
The hell you didn't, Dummy.
The hell I did, schmuck.
You have to be careful with that strategy. The Redskins did quite a bit of it over the last couple of years and the results have not been all that favorable.
Show me where in there I said anything about throwing away a draft. You can't possibly be drunk enough to be hallucinating yet unless you're taking your MD 20/20 intravenously these days.
Washington has two picks I believe. I think we have 6, and getting Vilma wouldn't be throwing away a pick at all.
History doesn't support that with Denver whatsoever. This is a 3 year veteran going into a contract year in 08. BFD. You want us to give back Walker to get our second back?
Again you're imagining things. I never said a word about Vilma or anything of the sort. Let me say this real slow so that maybe even you'll understand.
I. SAID. YOU. HAVE. TO. BE. CAREFUL. WHEN. EMPLOYING. THAT. STRATEGY.
Short of writing out my posts in crayon, I can't make that any simpler for you.
What are you doing in here anyway? Shouldn't you be starting another youtube thread or something? You've only given us about 20 of those worthless things this week, you're below your quota.
eddie mac
04-20-2007, 10:35 PM
What if we dump Gold and find a cheaper replacement for him when the time comes? Then we could afford Vilma, move DJ over to replace Gold and sign a cheaper guy to replace DJ. Is it worth it to have above average guys on the middle and on one side-instead of both outside slots?
Dumping Gold isn't a possibility at present given the cap rammifications. He'd cost more to release than to play. Hence it would be cheaper to have both than to just have Vilma via releasing Gold.
listopencil
04-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Dumping Gold isn't a possibility at present given the cap rammifications. He'd cost more to release than to play. Hence it would be cheaper to have both than to just have Vilma via releasing Gold.
I'm thinking keep all three then dump Gold when DJ/Vilma's contracts come up. How long are these guys under contract?
eddie mac
04-20-2007, 10:55 PM
I'm thinking keep all three then dump Gold when DJ/Vilma's contracts come up. How long are these guys under contract?
DJ 2009-3 years left
Gold 2010-4 years left
Vilma 2008- 2 years left
listopencil
04-20-2007, 11:02 PM
DJ 2009-3 years left
Gold 2010-4 years left
Vilma 2008- 2 years left
So, assuming these guys are worth it, we sign Vilma to a big $ contract starting in 2009. Starting in 2010 we sign DJ to a big $ contract and Gold restructures to a longer term deal that is more cap friendly or he gets traded. If these two (DJ/Vilma) are still on their rookie deals right now it should work. Right?
listopencil
04-20-2007, 11:05 PM
Come to think of it, We could cut Gold going in to 2010 and his SB cap hit wouldn't be too bad. Maybe I'm missing something here.
eddie mac
04-20-2007, 11:07 PM
Come to think of it, We could cut Gold going in to 2010 and his SB cap hit wouldn't be too bad. Maybe I'm missing something here.
He'd need to improve his play substancially if he wants to stick around that long.
listopencil
04-20-2007, 11:11 PM
He'd need to improve his play substancially if he wants to stick around that long.
I don't know. He played really well a couple of years ago but he seemed to get in the way a lot last year. He would jump in there to make a play and blow it. If we are going to off him anyway I'd like to add talent to our LB corps every chance we get during the process. Especially a talented young guy on a rookie contract like Vilma looks to be.
watermock
04-20-2007, 11:13 PM
Go ahead and divide up the post so it's impossible to respond Clockwork.
You compared Denver trading for Vilma to Washinton. Period. Do you need me to repeat it a third time?
You have to be careful with that strategy. The Redskins did quite a bit of it over the last couple of years and the results have not been all that favorable.
You mean the strategy to get Walker and Scheff? The strategy to move up for Cutler?
Trading a second for Vilma wouldn't change the draft and fill glaring need. Your the one that brought up Washington.
listopencil
04-20-2007, 11:24 PM
You mean the strategy to get Walker and Scheff? The strategy to move up for Cutler?
Trading a second for Vilma wouldn't change the draft and fill glaring need. Your the one that brought up Washington.
I think if you make FA moves that fit your team you'll be good.
drail 24 48
04-21-2007, 12:28 AM
Go get VILMA!!
Clockwork Orange
04-21-2007, 12:36 AM
Go ahead and divide up the post so it's impossible to respond Clockwork.
You compared Denver trading for Vilma to Washinton. Period. Do you need me to repeat it a third time?
It's not my fault that you're too sloshed to read, asswipe.
I didn't compare anything. You invented the comparison in that marble sized, two dollar a quart vodka soaked brain of yours. I'm not repeating myself for you again because you've already shown that the message of the post, simple as it was, is far beyond your comprehension.
You mean the strategy to get Walker and Scheff? The strategy to move up for Cutler?
Trading a second for Vilma wouldn't change the draft and fill glaring need. Your the one that brought up Washington.
Scheffler was drafted by the Broncos, genius. Bringing his name into this only further illustrates that you don't have the first clue of what you're talking about. Big ****ing surprise there, let me tell you.
Go pass out, drunky. You've become as boring as you are irrelevant.