Todd Sauerbraun

[jbiel]

Anybody heard anything on him yet? Wasn't his hearing supposed to be today.

[wolf754life]

the pats matched, very easy deal for them since they are 15 million under the cap. Ernster baby and we will probably draft a punter or rookie free agent to compete.

[watermock]

It's not a cap issue, it's the terms of his contract. His contention I believe if that he can't an RFA in a one year contract as a vested veteran.

Let's just see which punter NE cuts and sign him. Biullichick is just being BigDick as usual.

[clint7]

the pats matched, very easy deal for them since they are 15 million under the cap. Ernster baby and we will probably draft a punter or rookie free agent to compete.

I think he's referring to the the argument by the NFLPA on Todd's behalf that the proper filings to go along with the "first refusal" were not filed correctly. Therefore, Todd should be a free agent. That hearing was supposed to be today.

[TheSportsGuru]

Anybody heard anything on him yet? Wasn't his hearing supposed to be today.

Yes, the hearing is today....Still waiting...

For those who didn't hear, the NFLPA is fighting the clause in Sauerbrun's contract allowing the Pats to match. I think 99% of us know that, but not everyone....

[Kaylore]

I guess we'll know by the end of the day.

[Beantown Bronco]

In addition to Miller and Saurkraut, the Patsies had two punters on the practice squad last year....4 has to be the record for most punters under contract at any given time. Talk about overkill....

[eddie mac]

NFLPA seemed to think Todd has a very good case to get this quashed. I suppose we'll see later.

[Beantown Bronco]

Here's the description for one of the guys the Pats hid on the practice squad last year, that I'd be interested in if Todd doesn't get his release:

Malone, 22, was originally signed by the San Francisco 49ers as a rookie free agent on May 5, 2006, and was released on June 29. The 6-foot, 205-pound punter played for the University of Southern California from 2002-05, where he recorded a 44.0-yard career punting average and placed 95 of his 185 career punts inside the 20-yard line. Malone was a two-time semifinalist for the Ray Guy Award - given to the nation’s top punter - and set a school record in 2003 by averaging 49.0 yards per punt.

[obediah]

i was hoping to get Sauer back, i think Enster has a sissy girl leg and really let us down last year.

Obediah

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I don't understand all of the Ernster hate. His net average was on 1.5 yards less than Saurbraun and he was 3rd in the league in touchbacks on kickoffs. If the Broncos had a decent tackling ST his net average would have been better than Saurbraun's. Punters almost always inprove more between their first and second year. Saurbraun made his rep here by making a tackle and causing a fumble. Trouble is it was his bad kick that allowed the return on which he had to make the tackle.

There's not nearly the difference between the two that would appear from most of the comments on the Mane.

[obediah]

you can measure yardage all you want if you dont factor in hangtime, it doesnt matter if he surpassed Saurbraun in yardage. If you look at Ernster first two or three games of the season, when we were waiting on Saur to get back. he looked great, the minute he found out Saurbraun was not coming back he went in the toilet.

obediah

[Popcorn Sutton]

I don't understand all of the Ernster hate. His net average was on 1.5 yards less than Saurbraun and he was 3rd in the league in touchbacks on kickoffs. If the Broncos had a decent tackling ST his net average would have been better than Saurbraun's. Punters almost always inprove more between their first and second year. Saurbraun made his rep here by making a tackle and causing a fumble. Trouble is it was his bad kick that allowed the return on which he had to make the tackle.

There's not nearly the difference between the two that would appear from most of the comments on the Mane.

His net average was a lot higher than his actual average which would point to good coverage.

He was 27th in the NFL for average.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teampunt&pos=off&league=nfl&year=2006&season=2

Compare that to the year before where Sauerbrun was ranked 7th. It was a big drop off.

[Hotrod]

Personally I hope we keep the kid. Hes only gonna get better while sourboots is one needle from a year off.

[Beantown Bronco]

I don't understand all of the Ernster hate. His net average was on 1.5 yards less than Saurbraun and he was 3rd in the league in touchbacks on kickoffs. If the Broncos had a decent tackling ST his net average would have been better than Saurbraun's. Punters almost always inprove more between their first and second year. Saurbraun made his rep here by making a tackle and causing a fumble. Trouble is it was his bad kick that allowed the return on which he had to make the tackle.

There's not nearly the difference between the two that would appear from most of the comments on the Mane.

This goes back to my theory which I put out there a week or two ago about the punting position having the least difference in talent between the very best and the absolute worst. Looking at the numbers from last year, there is really only a 5-6 yard difference in both gross yardage and net yardage between #1 and #32. The problem with Ernster is this: there were only 2 punters last year that had worse gross yardage than him and less than 10 that had worse net yardage than him. That should never happen when at least 8 of your games are played at altitude.

[Tyrant]

In my opnion, the only way to judge a punter is if he, while backed up deep in his own side of the field, can get the ball past the 50. Sauer was money with those pressure kicks. Ernster was a train wreck.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

you can measure yardage all you want if you dont factor in hangtime, it doesnt matter if he surpassed Saurbraun in yardage. If you look at Ernster first two or three games of the season, when we were waiting on Saur to get back. he looked great, the minute he found out Saurbraun was not coming back he went in the toilet.

obediah

That doesn't make any sense. If Saurbraun's hangtime was so much greater, his net average would have shown more difference

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

His net average was a lot higher than his actual average which would point to good coverage.

He was 27th in the NFL for average.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teampunt&pos=off&league=nfl&year=2006&season=2

Compare that to the year before where Sauerbrun was ranked 7th. It was a big drop off.

Net average cannot be higher than gross average unless punts are returned for negative average.

[Beantown Bronco]

That doesn't make any sense. If Saurbraun's hangtime was so much greater, his net average would have shown more difference

Not if more of his punts were coming from mid field.....punting stats really need to take the line of scrimmage into account somehow. Technically a punter's stats are hurt by teams that get more first downs but stall out around mid-field as opposed to teams that go three and out all day in their own zone.

[Natedogg]

In my opnion, the only way to judge a punter is if he, while backed up deep in his own side of the field, can get the ball past the 50. Sauer was money with those pressure kicks. Ernster was a train wreck.

Yeah. That really is the most important thing. I wish I could back it up statistically, but Bruns whoops Erstner in that aspect imo.

[Play2win]

People are lying to themselves if they think Ernster is even half the punter that Todd is.

Todd saved our ass a few times by flipping the field after we were losing the field possition battle to the opposition.

Ernster gave away games that we were winning the field position battle, that we ended up losing the game because of it.

Put Ernster and JAKE on the same field last year and its a recipe for disaster...

[crush17]

Personally I hope we keep the kid. Hes only gonna get better while sourboots is one needle from a year off.

what an idiotic statement.
Sauerbrun never injected anything- his drug test came back positive for ephedra, a drug that helps with weight loss.

you should get your facts straight before you spout off stuff like that.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

This goes back to my theory which I put out there a week or two ago about the punting position having the least difference in talent between the very best and the absolute worst. .

We agree. I think the whole punting thing is overblown. Saurbraun would not have won three additional games for the Broncs last year as someone said in another thread. Thats total BS. I doubt there would have been any difference in the W-L record.

[Hotrod]

what an idiotic statement.
Sauerbrun never injected anything- his drug test came back positive for ephedra, a drug that helps with weight loss.

you should get your facts straight before you spout off stuff like that.

You should kiss my ass hes had a positive test thats a fact. The way the new commish is clamping down would you like to see what happens on his next test???

[crush17]

Ok "hotrod" chill out.
Fact of the matter is that you insinuated he uses needles, and that's a pretty big thing to slap on anyone.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into it with you.

[Hotrod]

Ok "hotrod" chill out.
Fact of the matter is that you insinuated he uses needles, and that's a pretty big thing to slap on anyone.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into it with you.

Im a bit grumpy lately ;D

Your correct my use of the term "needle" was over the top and incorrect.

I do worry about the new commish and having players that have one strike already.

[bendog]

Sourpuss got in trouble for 'roids back in Carolina. Now where he got the ephedera is what I wanna know. Where can you get that stuff? Not that I would, of course.

[Hotrod]

So did he actually hit the needle or not??? If so I'd be worried if it were my payroll.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Net average cannot be higher than gross average unless punts are returned for negative average.

Sorry I meant his ranking in Net Average... He was terrible in Gross average and a little better Net. I still think we should keep him and develop him but Sauerbrun would be a boost for the next year or two.

[KipCorrington25]

Whatever the stats say in regard to Ernster are irrelevant considering they wouldn't have signed Sauerbraun if Ernster's performance was acceptable.

[Rock Chalk]

Im a bit grumpy lately ;D

Your correct my use of the term "needle" was over the top and incorrect.

I do worry about the new commish and having players that have one strike already.

You're such a pussy. Over the top incorrect assertions are what we do here, dont ever apologize for them!

[scorpio]

Sourpuss got in trouble for 'roids back in Carolina. Now where he got the ephedera is what I wanna know. Where can you get that stuff? Not that I would, of course.

It's legal but they usually keep it behind the pharmacy counter now, and they always assume you're going to make meth with it.

Personally I don't like the feeling the stuff gives me, but it can be useful as a weight loss drug if you combine it with caffeine and L-Carnitine.

Ask for Bronchaid. :thumbsup:

[Hotrod]

You're such a p***Y. Over the top incorrect assertions are what we do here, dont ever apologize for them!

LOL

[Popcorn Sutton]

You're such a p***Y. Over the top incorrect assertions are what we do here, dont ever apologize for them!

He said p***y.

[HorseHead]

anybody know what happened to Nick Harris? Is he still in Detroit?......

When was the last time we had a punter to be feared? I know that may be an oxymoron, but when?

Bucky Dilts?, Mike Horan?, Rouen? We never really had a guy who could boom one. Sauerballs may be the one super leg we've had......

[Beantown Bronco]

anybody know what happened to Nick Harris? Is he still in Detroit?............

Yup and he's statistically a top five punter in the league right now.....if only the Broncos kept him on the practice squad for a year. He's doing really well and I can only imagine how good he'd be with the mile high advantage.

[clint7]

I'm going to print up some "Free Todd Sauerbrun" t-shirts! :)

Come on NFLPA! Argue your butts off!

[brncofaan]

Bucky Dilts?, Mike Horan?, Rouen? We never really had a guy who could boom one. ......[/QUOTE]

What about Luke Prestridge? He was able to get the ball down field and lay it in the coffin corner

[Pendejo]

Yup and he's statistically a top five punter in the league right now.....if only the Broncos kept him on the practice squad for a year. He's doing really well and I can only imagine how good he'd be with the mile high advantage.

Didn't they also have an Aussie into to camp once (Pat McBriar?) who is doing well with Dallas?

[Dagmar]

He said p***y.

Piggy?

[ton80]

Im a bit grumpy lately ;D

Your correct my use of the term "needle" was over the top and incorrect.

I do worry about the new commish and having players that have one strike already.

Most on this board knew you were using hyperbole to make a point and crack a joke at the same time. Don't back down from crush17. You actually stated a fact. The next time Sauerbrun uses steriods (commonly injected) he is out of the league for a year.

Quit being a pu$$y crush17. You have no right to not be offended. Hotrod's comment wasn't politically correct, but so freaking what. Grow a pair.

[Jesterhole]

I'd like to bring Sauerbrun back in, and let him and the kid battle it out during training camp and preseason. Todd was clearly better, but Paul is young, let's see how he does with a year under his belt...

[SoCalBronco]

Sauerbrun awaiting ruling
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Launched: 04/18/2007 01:00:00 AM MDT


Todd Sauerbrun was cut by the Broncos last October after he served an NFL suspension. (Post file)Todd Sauerbrun is expected to find out soon whether he will remain with New England or be free to sign elsewhere.

That freedom would mean another chance to punt for the Broncos.

A grievance against the Patriots, fought for Sauerbrun by the NFL Players Association, was heard in Boston on Tuesday by a special master. A decision is expected within a week. The meeting lasted about an hour. Sauerbrun was not present.

Last week, NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen said he was confident Sauerbrun would win the appeal. The grievance is about whether the Patriots had rights of first refusal to Sauerbrun, who had signed with them in December.

The NFLPA argued that New England did not attach a

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separate form along with his contract that is required in deals with rights of first refusal for unrestricted free agents.
If the 12-year veteran wins the grievance, he will be a free agent. If not, he will remain with New England. Sauerbrun agreed to a one-year contract with the Broncos on April 3, but it was matched by the Patriots. He has stated several times he wants to play for Denver again. He was cut by the Broncos last October after he served an NFL suspension for using a banned substance. He was a standout in 2005 for Denver.

Myers update

Free-agent defensive tackle Michael Myers ended his visit with Cincinnati on Tuesday without signing a contract.

He said his visit went well and he expects to talk to the Bengals more. The Bengals are looking at other defensive tackles and may want to sign one before the April 28-29 draft.

Myers could return to the Broncos. He was a starter for them in 2005 and 2006.

Lynch scholarships

The John Lynch Foundation extended the application deadline to April 27 for four scholarships it will give out. The Lynch Family Legacy Scholarships in Denver are worth $5,000 each and are awarded to high school seniors in the Denver area.

Bill Williamson can be reached at 303-954-1262 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5690082

[Hotrod]

Most on this board knew you were using hyperbole to make a point and crack a joke at the same time. Don't back down from crush17. You actually stated a fact. The next time Sauerbrun uses steriods (commonly injected) he is out of the league for a year.

Quit being a pu$$y crush17. You have no right to not be offended. Hotrod's comment wasn't politically correct, but so freaking what. Grow a pair.

You should really post more often ;D

[bronco militia]

socal...your Sourbuns article was cut off:



Todd Sauerbrun is expected to find out soon whether he will remain with New England or be free to sign elsewhere.

That freedom would mean another chance to punt for the Broncos.

A grievance against the Patriots, fought for Sauerbrun by the NFL Players Association, was heard in Boston on Tuesday by a special master. A decision is expected within a week. The meeting lasted about an hour. Sauerbrun was not present.

Last week, NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen said he was confident Sauerbrun would win the appeal. The grievance is about whether the Patriots had rights of first refusal to Sauerbrun, who had signed with them in December.

The NFLPA argued that New England did not attach a separate form along with his contract that is required in deals with rights of first refusal for unrestricted free agents.
If the 12-year veteran wins the grievance, he will be a free agent. If not, he will remain with New England. Sauerbrun agreed to a one-year contract with the Broncos on April 3, but it was matched by the Patriots. He has stated several times he wants to play for Denver again. He was cut by the Broncos last October after he served an NFL suspension for using a banned substance. He was a standout in 2005 for Denver.

[crush17]

Most on this board knew you were using hyperbole to make a point and crack a joke at the same time. Don't back down from crush17. You actually stated a fact. The next time Sauerbrun uses steriods (commonly injected) he is out of the league for a year.

Quit being a pu$$y crush17. You have no right to not be offended. Hotrod's comment wasn't politically correct, but so freaking what. Grow a pair.


Ok ton80, do you feel better now that you got to say "grow a pair"? ::)

Actually, it is fair for me to take issue with it and I can say what I think about his statement just as easily as he can make it.

It doesn't make me a pu$$y, it means I have respect for someone who may not deserve the label getting slapped on him by some random person in Denver.

So kindly lick my balls douchewad.

[Hotrod]

Ok ton80, do you feel better now that you got to say "grow a pair"? ::)

Actually, it is fair for me to take issue with it and I can say what I think about his statement just as easily as he can make it.

It doesn't make me a pu$$y, it means I have respect for someone who may not deserve the label getting slapped on him by some random person in Denver.

So kindly lick my balls douchewad.

I dont live in Denver..............what Im just saying ;D

[watermock]

Billichick is just doing this to be a fly in the ointment to Shanahan. I hope Todd shanks every punt on purpose.

NE started out as a feel good story, but I am learning to despise not the team, but Billidick.

[cabronco]

Ya Billichick gets all wet over playing hard ball w/ Shanny over a punter the Patsies dont even need. Because, its the only time Billiprick can make it tough on the Broncos , since he cant manage to do it on the field. Keep it up Billie and you will join griese Al in Mike's dog house.

[KipCorrington25]

anybody know what happened to Nick Harris? Is he still in Detroit?......

When was the last time we had a punter to be feared? I know that may be an oxymoron, but when?

Bucky Dilts?, Mike Horan?, Rouen? We never really had a guy who could boom one. Sauerballs may be the one super leg we've had......

Billy Van Heusen baby!

http://www.footballcardgallery.com/pics/1973-Topps/128.jpg

[Hotrod]

Anyone else find it odd there as been alot of roid rage in a sourboots thread.....quinkiedink I dont think so......

[Blueflame]

Anyone else find it odd there as been alot of roid rage in a sourboots thread.....quinkiedink I dont think so......

Yes, the tone of this thread has become rather uncivil...

*schoolmarm voice* ... and you children need to knock it off! */schoolmarm*

;D ;D ;D :P

[Hotrod]

Yes, the tone of this thread has become rather uncivil...

*schoolmarm voice* ... and you children need to knock it off! */schoolmarm*

;D ;D ;D :P


Yes mame :'(


;D

[OrangeShadow]

Piggy?

I believe the correct answer is pussy:strong:

[CBF1]

About Todd.....

He was accused of using HGH. HGH is not an ingestable.... It is a INJECTABLE drug. So Hotrods comments of Sauerbraun using needles would be correct.