Jared Allen next to be suspended?

[DomCasual]

Interesting tidbit from Peter King's column today (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/4.html):
I think the next man on Goodell's conduct radar screen could well be Kansas City defensive end Jared Allen, whose two DUI convictions within the last year will certainly get him some time off. I have heard that Goodell plans to give first-time DUI offenders two-game bans. Two-time offenders? I think it will be more than four games. I'm guessing six or eight, but let's see what happens when Goodell interviews Allen.
A few things. I'm glad the NFL is doing this, overall. But it is going to colossally suck (and that's a lot of suck!) if one of our key players does something boneheaded and ends up with a suspension. The second thing is if Allen was suspended, would there be anyone that has had a worse offseason, personnel-wise, than the Chefs? Maybe the Titans, I guess. But from losing Shields to having the LJ issues to maybe having Allen suspended to doing almost nothing in free agency - it sucks to be a Chefs fan.

[kmartin575]

Done nothing in the offseason? We have added at least 4 new starters who are upgrades over the previous person at that position.

You guys act like the Broncos are the cleanest team in the league:

Brandon Marshall- domestic violence
D.J. Williams- DUI
Todd Sauerbrun- steroids and ephedrin
Darrent Williams- marijuana
Jake Plummer- road rage
former Bronco Dwayne Carswell- 4 arrests for domestic violence

You guys aren't exactly the good guys on the block.

[DomCasual]

Done nothing in the offseason? We have added at least 4 new starters who are upgrades over the previous person at that position.

You guys act like the Broncos are the cleanest team in the league:

Brandon Marshall- domestic violence
D.J. Williams- DUI
Todd Sauerbrun- steroids and ephedrin
Darrent Williams- marijuana
Jake Plummer- road rage
former Bronco Dwayne Carswell- 4 arrests for domestic violence

You guys aren't exactly the good guys on the block.

Great job. You just mentioned four players no longer with the team - one of whom is dead (and whose "marijuana issue" came before he was with the team). Marshall has been accused, but what he's accused of sounds like an argument. I haven't heard much about it being "violence."

So, five out of six you mentioned are basically irrelevant. And you were able to disparage the dead in there, too. You stay classy, Kansas City!

[kmartin575]

No, I remember very clearly reading about Williams being arrested back in 2005 and the officer found Marijuana in his car.

Cry me a river. The Chiefs have lost players to death before also.

[DenverDuo]

No, I remember very clearly reading about Williams being arrested back in 2005 and the officer found Marijuana in his car.

Cry me a river. The Chiefs have lost players to death before also.

Yes, but he doesn't exactly count as being "on the team", does he?

[DomCasual]

No, I remember very clearly reading about Williams being arrested back in 2005 and the officer found Marijuana in his car.

Cry me a river. The Chiefs have lost players to death before also.

I am pretty sure the incident to which you're referring was when a passenger in his car was arrested for having marijuana on his person. That didn't look great for Williams, but it wasn't criminal.

And you've lost a player or two to death, so that gives you license to disparage those who have died? Wow. No offense, but you're not very smart.

You Chef fans are frighteningly defensive lately. Your horrible offseason really is wearing on you, I guess.

[Darkhawk24]

No, I remember very clearly reading about Williams being arrested back in 2005 and the officer found Marijuana in his car.

Cry me a river. The Chiefs have lost players to death before also.

Okay who is this douchebag? He has been making Bob and Crazy look pretty good. :unamused:

[DomCasual]

Done nothing in the offseason? We have added at least 4 new starters who are upgrades over the previous person at that position.


And another thing. This is far more a statement of who you had at those positions than it is of who you signed.

6-10 in '07 for the Chefs. The good news is that the Raiders incompetence should keep you out of the division cellar.

[Paladin]

This POS has been around for a while, and lacks the cojones to give us his real name and address. The SOB can take a hike in Death Valley without water for I care. Need to put him on ignore. He is dumb.

I hope this PSA has been helpful to you.......

[Barry Ramey]

The Chiefs' roster is in bad shape. They don't know who their QB will be, their OL which Chief fans used to trump as HOF material, is in shambles, their WR corp isn't much to worry about, and they are once again playing musical chairs with their defense and their best DL can't stay off the sauce. 5-11 here they come.

[Dagmar]

Ah, another person for the ignore list I see.

[Triplelefthook]

if one of our players does something stupid now- they deserve whatever suspension that comes to them. the message that the NFL is sending is pretty crystal

[bronco militia]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL637/2498345/6660043/100624429.jpg

[Atlas]

I am pretty sure the incident to which you're referring was when a passenger in his car was arrested for having marijuana on his person. That didn't look great for Williams, but it wasn't criminal.

And you've lost a player or two to death, so that gives you license to disparage those who have died? Wow. No offense, but you're not very smart.

You Chef fans are frighteningly defensive lately. Your horrible offseason really is wearing on you, I guess.

Saying Williams got busted for pot is not disparging the dead. Facts are facts. If that's true than it's true doesn't matter if he is alive or dead. It's just like Derrick Thomas having 6 kids by 4 different women.

[Kaylore]

KMartin is such a loser. His whining and hand wringing in every thread speaks to what an insecure little turd he is. Marching around on every Bronco board saying "Nuh-uh! ur stupider!" What a joke.

As for Jared Allen, he is what he is, and we all knew what that was when that picture of him shirtless with a beer in his hand was floating around. The Chiefs might have to face the music that their mis-adventures at the ol' watering hole are going to have consequences.

[maven]

I'll take Jared Allen in a Bronco uniform. He'll probably get suspended for 2-4 games.

[Kaylore]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL637/2498345/6660043/100624429.jpg
LOL Yeah, that's the one.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

I like how the commish is handling these dumb*** players.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Okay who is this douchebag? He has been making Bob and Crazy look pretty good. :unamused:

He is probably the stupidest poster ever on the Mane.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

would there be anyone that has had a worse offseason, personnel-wise, than the Chefs? Maybe the Titans, I guess. But from losing Shields to having the LJ issues to maybe having Allen suspended to doing almost nothing in free agency - it sucks to be a Chefs fan.

LMAO. What a reach. I'll take our offseason over yours.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs' roster is in bad shape. They don't know who their QB will be, their OL which Chief fans used to trump as HOF material, is in shambles, their WR corp isn't much to worry about, and they are once again playing musical chairs with their defense and their best DL can't stay off the sauce. 5-11 here they come.

This post reeks of ignorance. The roster is in much better shape than it was a year ago. Especially on defense. Musical Chairs my ass.

[DomCasual]

LMAO. What a reach. I'll take our offseason over yours.

I would bet that a poll of personnel people in the NFL (or even unbiased fans of other teams, for that matter) would show you to be in the vast minority with that opinion.

Seriously, you make homer comments, and I'm fine with that. But sometimes, you really go off the deep end.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I could say the same thing about you.

We're having a great offseason. The best we've had in years. I don't know what more we could've done. The Chiefs certainly exceeded my expectations. And they didn't have to break the bank (cough, Daniel Graham) to do it.

[Kaylore]

I like to plagiarize. It's fun stealing ideas.
Shut up, Boob. You suck.

[bronco militia]

I could say the same thing about you.

We're having a great offseason. The best we've had in years. I don't know what more we could've done. The Chiefs certainly exceeded my expectations. .

couch cough.....uh what?

bwhahahaha!

[cutthemdown]

Chiefs had a great offseason huh. Mcintosh is a decent pickup but Nap Harris is horrible. They went after Edwards who is way past his prime. At least the Broncos went after younger guys BLY, Graham, Henry who can help Broncos for next 3-4 yrs. Henry prob 2-3 years since he plays RB. Losing Shields and adding Mcintosh to me is not an upgrade. Loisng Mitchell no big deal, but adding Nap Harris also no big deal. That's a wash. So that leaves Edwards and Boone. Edwards is old and may only help a little, and Boone is a rotational dlineman. Nothing in these moves makes the queefies much better for this yr.

Now throw in a QB that hasn't played at all in Croyle and a Journeyman in Haurd that is a definite problem for this year. Cutler at least got his feet wet last year. To this point Croyle is 3 for 7 for 23 yrds, 0 tds and 2 interceptions. Damn he has almost as many picks and he does completions. Gonzoles a year older, Surtian and Law not getting any younger and the WR stink. What in all this makes you think KC is going to do a damn thing this year? And what makes you think you are primed for the future with no rising stars at WR, TE, CB, OL, QB.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We addressed major weaknesses at LT, OLB and MLB. There's no other way to evaluate it.

Boone will probably start, BTW.

[Northman]

Interesting tidbit from Peter King's column today (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/4.html):

A few things. I'm glad the NFL is doing this, overall. But it is going to colossally suck (and that's a lot of suck!) if one of our key players does something boneheaded and ends up with a suspension. The second thing is if Allen was suspended, would there be anyone that has had a worse offseason, personnel-wise, than the Chefs? Maybe the Titans, I guess. But from losing Shields to having the LJ issues to maybe having Allen suspended to doing almost nothing in free agency - it sucks to be a Chefs fan.



Honestly, it would suck but if it helps the league overall im all for it.

[Mediator12]

We addressed major weaknesses at LT, OLB and MLB. There's no other way to evaluate it.

Boone will probably start, BTW.

You addressed the major weaknesses with role and average to below average starters. Boone will probably start and be just as good as Myers was for us. It will be interesting to see how he plays without Elite DL talent around him every down, especially if Allen is suspended. I see him more like another Lionel Dalton in that he looked really good backing up at DT as long as there were other Quality DL around to keep the pressure off him. Sad thing is that he would be an upgrade in DEN too, though.

Addressing poor positions with depth level players is going backwards and accepting the mediocrity that your team has become. Your LT, RG and RT positions are in flux on what two years ago was a top 3 OL if not the best in the league. The Elite Talent that was there is gone and replaced with potential in the best case scenario. KC is losing the battle of the lines and quickly dissipating, but if that is OK with you it's OK with me.

[Kaylore]

couch cough.....uh what?

bwhahahaha!
Didn't the Chiefs make Tony G the highest paid Tight End in the league at the age of 31? Cough cough (they really did overpay for an over the hill player) cough cough.

[Man-Goblin]

Interesting point from the article...

h. Weirdest scheduling quirk by far: Denver opens at Buffalo ... then plays one road game between that trip and November. Five of the Broncos' next six games are at home, and they have a bye Oct. 14. Beginning the first week of November, Denver plays two road games, then a home game, then two road games, then a home game, then two road games, then a home game. I have never seen a schedule, I don't think, that asks a team to play six out of eight on the road.

[broncosteven]

& here I thought the Cheefs best Offseason was the year they picked up the RED KNIGHT? BTW is THE RED KNIGHT still on the team or did he get cut?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You addressed the major weaknesses with role and average to below average starters.


We upgraded. End of story. I realize they are stopgap players, but what else was available in free agency? Hopefully we can acquire their long-term replacements via the draft.

[Hotrod]

I could say the same thing about you.

We're having a great offseason. The best we've had in years. I don't know what more we could've done. The Chiefs certainly exceeded my expectations. And they didn't have to break the bank (cough, Daniel Graham) to do it.

Bwhahahahahahaha are you serious

[watermock]

I find it curious that the NFL made Denver play on New Years eve, and now gives them a game on Christmas eve. We still play in KC in mid november. Each year they inch it back a few days.

The team also gets the privelege of playing on Thanksgiving. WTF is that? And why the unbalanced schedule? That means there is a run of road games too.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bwhahahahahahaha are you serious

Name something we could have done thus far to have a better offseason.

[Hotrod]

Name something we could have done thus far to have a better offseason.

Well heres 2 ideas

1. Fire Herm
2. Fire King Carl

;D

[TheDave]

Another off-season tradition continues... Chef fans awarding themselves the off-season lombardi.

Now all we need is another "Red Knight" picture

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Another off-season tradition continues... Chef fans awarding themselves the off-season lombardi.

Now all we need is another "Red Knight" picture

Way to blow things out of proportion.

[TheDave]

Way to blow things out of proportion.

This coming from the dork that said his punter would "F**K us up"

[BroncoInferno]

We upgraded. End of story. I realize they are stopgap players, but what else was available in free agency? Hopefully we can acquire their long-term replacements via the draft.

So, the quality of an offseason is relative to what's available? Even if the players are only mediocre stop-gaps, you can proclaim the moves part of a "great offseason" just because nothing better was available? Ya'll keep the expectations mighty high in KC. ROFL!

[Broncoman13]

The Chiefs certainly exceeded my expectations.

That's the good thing about setting your expectations so low...

It must be hard knowing that we have a solid future at QB, a stud at RB, 3 WR's that would start on your team and a pair of CB's that are twice that of your antiques. But by all means, be merry and gay about your Queefs!

[OrangeShadow]

Name something we could have done thus far to have a better offseason.

get a real quarterback to replace green whos likely gone?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So, the quality of an offseason is relative to what's available? Even if the players are only mediocre stop-gaps, you can proclaim the moves part of a "great offseason" just because nothing better was available? Ya'll keep the expectations mighty high in KC. ROFL!

You don't build a team through free agency.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

get a real quarterback to replace green whos likely gone?

We didn't spend a third-rounder on Croyle to let him ride the bench.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's the good thing about setting your expectations so low...

It must be hard knowing that we have a solid future at QB, a stud at RB, 3 WR's that would start on your team and a pair of CB's that are twice that of your antiques. But by all means, be merry and gay about your Queefs!

Meanwhile, the Broncos all but ignored their crappy D-line this offseason.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This coming from the dork that said his punter would "**** us up"

He's a great punter.

[azbroncfan]

7-9 for queefs. At qb they have Croyle who in all likely hood won't do anything this year. Huard who has only proved he is a good backup and can't be a starter.

[BroncoInferno]

You don't build a team through free agency.

So, how do you conclude that the Chiefs have had a "great offseason" if you don't build a team through free agency?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So, how do you conclude that the Chiefs have had a "great offseason" if you don't build a team through free agency?

We've addressed key needs as best they can be addressed.

[BroncoInferno]

We've addressed key needs as best they can be addressed.

You've added mediocre stop-gap players through free agency, a method you claim teams aren't built by. What is great about that?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You've added mediocre stop-gap players through free agency, a method you claim teams aren't built by. What is great about that?

We addressed needs. There was no way we could go into next season with Black at left tackle and 2/3rds of our linebackers playing in a system that didn't fit their skills.

[BroncoInferno]

We addressed needs. There was no way we could go into next season with Black at left tackle and 2/3rds of our linebackers playing in a system that didn't fit their skills.

You said yourself those signees were stop-gaps. What is "great" about mediocrity? That isn't even logical.

[No1BroncoFan]

Interesting point from the article...

h. Weirdest scheduling quirk by far: Denver opens at Buffalo ... then plays one road game between that trip and November. Five of the Broncos' next six games are at home, and they have a bye Oct. 14. Beginning the first week of November, Denver plays two road games, then a home game, then two road games, then a home game, then two road games, then a home game. I have never seen a schedule, I don't think, that asks a team to play six out of eight on the road.
I remember the Bengals having a four game road stint back in the mid-eighties, but yeah, our schedule is wierd this year.

Ben

[Merlin]

We addressed needs
This has got to be your dumbest series of homer comments to date. First you say that you had a far better off-season then Denver. Denver picked up serious starters you picked up cr4p. Then you explain, that at least the cr4p you picked up was better than the $hit you had before. How does that make a great off-season. To boot you have gotten weaker at two critical areas that used to be yours strength. Yet, you think KC is having a very good off-season. You really ought to sue your educational system. They have failed you in basic critical analysis.

[cutthemdown]

Meanwhile, the Broncos all but ignored their crappy D-line this offseason.

Actually Mickenny and Boone are about even. Look at the stats the are almost identical in production. Neither of those guys are anything more then depth and adequate in a rotation. So really neither KC or Denver has really upgraded the dline this offseason.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually Mickenny and Boone are about even. Look at the stats the are almost identical in production. Neither of those guys are anything more then depth and adequate in a rotation. So really neither KC or Denver has really upgraded the dline this offseason.

D-line wasn't our biggest weakness.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This has got to be your dumbest series of homer comments to date.

Not really. We replaced the NFL's sack king with a solid left tackle. Edwards over Bell and Harris over Mitchell are OBVIOUS upgrades that will pay huge dividends. Especially Edwards. Jeez. Freakin' Kendrell Bell. What a bust!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You said yourself those signees were stop-gaps. What is "great" about mediocrity? That isn't even logical.

Fine, our offseason sucks balls. We should have jumped in a time machine and come back with Roaf, Shields and Priest.

[azbroncfan]

Not really. We replaced the NFL's sack king with a solid left tackle. Edwards over Bell and Harris over Mitchell are OBVIOUS upgrades that will pay huge dividends. Especially Edwards. Jeez. Freakin' Kendrell Bell. What a bust!

Don't get too excited as SOLID LT don't hit the market. Try average LT.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Don't get too excited as SOLID LT don't hit the market. Try average LT.

Sold, average, whatever. We're replacing a guy who gave up 13 sacks with a guy who gave up 5.5. Big upgrade from where I'm standing.

[Donk]

Interesting tidbit from Peter King's column today (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/4.html):

A few things. I'm glad the NFL is doing this, overall. But it is going to colossally suck (and that's a lot of suck!) if one of our key players does something boneheaded and ends up with a suspension. The second thing is if Allen was suspended, would there be anyone that has had a worse offseason, personnel-wise, than the Chefs? Maybe the Titans, I guess. But from losing Shields to having the LJ issues to maybe having Allen suspended to doing almost nothing in free agency - it sucks to be a Chefs fan.

Goodell needs to be cooled down, who does he think he is Bush?
Giving first time DUI offenders two weeks off is too harsh.
If TJ suspended Orange Maners for posting under while under the influence (PUI) he would lose two-thirds of his players.
We would never get to read Mock again.
Spider could only post while he’s driving.
Alec is suspect.
Pendejo admits he would be gone.
Sassy gets wobbly at times.
I don’t know what Gonzolays uses, but I want some.
This is Donk's forty-second offense.
Hell let’s impeach both the Deciders!

[STBumpkin]

Goodell needs to be cooled down, who does he think he is Bush?
Giving first time DUI offenders two weeks off is too harsh.
If TJ suspended Orange Maners for posting under while under the influence (PUI) he would lose two-thirds of his players.
We would never get to read Mock again.
Spider could only post while he’s driving.
Alec is suspect.
Pendejo admits he would be gone.
Sassy gets wobbly at times.
I don’t know what Gonzolays uses, but I want some.
This is Donk's forty-second offense.
Hell let’s impeach both the Deciders!

You can't kill people by posting on the internet. What a retarded post.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Don't get too excited as SOLID LT don't hit the market. Try average LT.
Try aspiring to become average. McIntosh sucks. LT's don't bounce from team to team to team because they're good.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You'll have to forgive Charger fans. They got the ass end of McIntosh's career. Fact of the matter is the Dolphins wanted him back.

[NW Bolt Fan]

As an unbiased source for both the chefs and donks (I dislike them both) I'm much more impressed with the Donks offseason.

The only noteworthy losses by the Donks: D.Williams, Al Wilson, Carlisle. In turn they add at the least an equal replacement in Bly, already had LBs, and will be looking to add a lineman in the draft (if Holland doesn't pan out). In addition, they added Graham who'll do wonders for both aspects of the offense, and an absolute STUD in Travis Henry.

Noteworthy losses for KC are about to include Trent Green, and already include Kawika Mitchell, Will Shields, Sammy Knight, and Jordan Black. While Jordan Black isn't necessarily a loss, he is when the decision to replace him is with Damion McIntosh. The O-line is in bad shape with no way to improve except through the draft, and whether the QB is Huard or Croyle, EVERYONE on offense is going to feel losses in subsequent years of Roaf, then Shields, and I hear Wiegmann is possilbe to go next! Nap for Mitchell is a fair trade-off, but inking him to the same signing bonus as 34 year old Donnie Edwards is a mistake (maybe not this year- but a mistake for sure).

In the end, which team had impact moves? Denver signs two BIG upgrades, Henry, and Graham, and loses one impact player in Al Wilson. KC loses 2 impact players in Green and Shields and signs... none.

Donks will be giving SD a run for their money in the division this year. KC will be looking over their shoulder at the turds who will probably be much better this year.

[NW Bolt Fan]

You'll have to forgive Charger fans. They got the ass end of McIntosh's career. Fact of the matter is the Dolphins wanted him back.
As what a back-up? I seriously doubt they wanted him back. Cameron coached the moron when he was in SD, and if he was a desired commodity, you can bet the fish would have stepped up and signed him. It's not like KC broke the bank on him.

Nice try.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Noteworthy losses for KC are about to include Trent Green, and already include Kawika Mitchell, Will Shields, Sammy Knight, and Jordan Black.

3 of those 5 positions have been upgraded. You could easily argue the other two are a push.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I seriously doubt they wanted him back.

But they did. As a starter. You are extremely biased on this issue because of McIntosh's poor play in SD.

[Orange_Beard]

Suspend him? I would think they would make him mayor of KC
.

[cutthemdown]

As an unbiased source for both the chefs and donks (I dislike them both) I'm much more impressed with the Donks offseason.

The only noteworthy losses by the Donks: D.Williams, Al Wilson, Carlisle. In turn they add at the least an equal replacement in Bly, already had LBs, and will be looking to add a lineman in the draft (if Holland doesn't pan out). In addition, they added Graham who'll do wonders for both aspects of the offense, and an absolute STUD in Travis Henry.

Noteworthy losses for KC are about to include Trent Green, and already include Kawika Mitchell, Will Shields, Sammy Knight, and Jordan Black. While Jordan Black isn't necessarily a loss, he is when the decision to replace him is with Damion McIntosh. The O-line is in bad shape with no way to improve except through the draft, and whether the QB is Huard or Croyle, EVERYONE on offense is going to feel losses in subsequent years of Roaf, then Shields, and I hear Wiegmann is possilbe to go next! Nap for Mitchell is a fair trade-off, but inking him to the same signing bonus as 34 year old Donnie Edwards is a mistake (maybe not this year- but a mistake for sure).

In the end, which team had impact moves? Denver signs two BIG upgrades, Henry, and Graham, and loses one impact player in Al Wilson. KC loses 2 impact players in Green and Shields and signs... none.

Donks will be giving SD a run for their money in the division this year. KC will be looking over their shoulder at the turds who will probably be much better this year.

Pretty good assessment. I do think though that Chargers have less holes then Denver and Probably would have to have Turner screw it up for Broncos to over take them this year. Things swing so fast in NFL nowdays who knows though.

[NW Bolt Fan]

But they did. As a starter. You are extremely biased on this issue because of McIntosh's poor play in SD.

Do you have a source here, or is this opinion? My opinon on the matter is not based just on his crappy play in SD, but also the fact that his former offensive coordinator did not retain him.

As for 3 out of 5 being upgrades? WHere? Nap for Mitchell is a push. Where are there ANY upgrades?

[NW Bolt Fan]

Pretty good assessment. I do think though that Chargers have less holes then Denver and Probably would have to have Turner screw it up for Broncos to over take them this year. Things swing so fast in NFL nowdays who knows though.
Ball's gotta bounce in your favor a bit too. It did for us last year. Regarding your last sentence, too true. Every team is one injury away from a star player to becoming mediocre. Some teams are there before injuries. :D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

As for 3 out of 5 being upgrades? WHere? Nap for Mitchell is a push. Where are there ANY upgrades?

Nap for Mitchell is certainly not a push. Mitchell was not suited for the C2, wheras Nap is perfect for it.

Donnie Edwards replacing Kendrell Bell is an ENORMOUS upgrade. No two ways about it.

And McIntosh replacing the NFL's sack king is an obvious upgrade.

[Donk]

You can't kill people by posting on the internet. What a retarded post.

If you are getting any...you are gay or that dog is a b****.

What a retarded post.

[Dr.5280]

Just drink the damn coolaid and die Bob.

[broncswin]

We didn't spend a third-rounder on Croyle to let him ride the bench.

LOL OMG..........A 3RD FOR CROYLEHilarious!

[400HZ]

Nap for Mitchell is certainly not a push. Mitchell was not suited for the C2, wheras Nap is perfect for it.

Donnie Edwards replacing Kendrell Bell is an ENORMOUS upgrade. No two ways about it.

And McIntosh replacing the NFL's sack king is an obvious upgrade.

Napolean Harris sucks

Donnie Edwards is better than Bell, but he's elderly

McIntosh sucks

Other then that, stellar offseason.

[DomCasual]

LOL OMG..........A 3RD FOR CROYLEHilarious!

I have sat mesmerized by your avatar for the last nine minutes. They just keep going, and going, and going...

[maven]

With Herm Edwards as the head coach, I expect a great defense and a solid running game in which they're transforming into. As much as people here laugh at the Chiefs, Herm will get that defense turned around and will possibly have an elite defense. Now will LJ be around for it? He should, because he'll get the bulk of the carries and be the offense producing star. Now if Croyle comes around and becomes a very good young QB, the Chiefs are definately nothing to laugh at. Huard, as was Trent in regards to the future, are stop-gaps. If Croyle makes waves, this can be a very good Chiefs team in the upcoming years. They have holes just like any other team. But, I think the homerism on this board craps all over the Chiefs when they actually have the potential to be very good the next few years.

[broncswin]

I have sat mesmerized by your avatar for the last nine minutes. They just keep going, and going, and going...

That is why I only have a hundred post or so. I get ready to post and then get distacted by the the bounce!!:wiggle:

[Hotrod]

This has got to be your dumbest series of homer comments to date. First you say that you had a far better off-season then Denver. Denver picked up serious starters you picked up cr4p. Then you explain, that at least the cr4p you picked up was better than the $hit you had before. How does that make a great off-season. To boot you have gotten weaker at two critical areas that used to be yours strength. Yet, you think KC is having a very good off-season. You really ought to sue your educational system. They have failed you in basic critical analysis.

LOL

[bronco militia]

As an unbiased source for both the chefs and donks (I dislike them both) I'm much more impressed with the Donks offseason.

The only noteworthy losses by the Donks: D.Williams, Al Wilson, Carlisle. In turn they add at the least an equal replacement in Bly, already had LBs, and will be looking to add a lineman in the draft (if Holland doesn't pan out). In addition, they added Graham who'll do wonders for both aspects of the offense, and an absolute STUD in Travis Henry.

Noteworthy losses for KC are about to include Trent Green, and already include Kawika Mitchell, Will Shields, Sammy Knight, and Jordan Black. While Jordan Black isn't necessarily a loss, he is when the decision to replace him is with Damion McIntosh. The O-line is in bad shape with no way to improve except through the draft, and whether the QB is Huard or Croyle, EVERYONE on offense is going to feel losses in subsequent years of Roaf, then Shields, and I hear Wiegmann is possilbe to go next! Nap for Mitchell is a fair trade-off, but inking him to the same signing bonus as 34 year old Donnie Edwards is a mistake (maybe not this year- but a mistake for sure).

In the end, which team had impact moves? Denver signs two BIG upgrades, Henry, and Graham, and loses one impact player in Al Wilson. KC loses 2 impact players in Green and Shields and signs... none.

Donks will be giving SD a run for their money in the division this year. KC will be looking over their shoulder at the turds who will probably be much better this year.

IMO, the broncos got better when they got rid of Tatum Bell, George Foster, and Jake Plummer...the rest is gravy

[Atwater His Ass]

You can argue untill you're blue in the face about the "upgrades" KC made this off-season. But to compare KC's off-season to DEN's is just laugable. DEN has went out and signed some excellent players in Bly, Graham, and Henry.

The rubber will meet the road in the regular season. Currently SD is the class of the division with DEN a step or two behind, but there is then a big drop-off to KC and a bigger drop off to OAK.

[Mediator12]

We upgraded. End of story. I realize they are stopgap players, but what else was available in free agency? Hopefully we can acquire their long-term replacements via the draft.

It may be the end of the story, but it certainly did not make you any better. It just stopped some bleeding at some places that were seeping more than others. Unfortunately, you lost way more than you have upgraded the last two years. You have lost two all-pro level OL, lost two other OT's, your starting QB is heading elsewhere, and your defense still needs playmakers up front and in the middle to run the cover two.

Boone is a steady but unspectacular addition to the cover two that needs an UT to have any consistency in Pass rush. As I said before, he is better than almost all of DEN's DT's, but that does not make him any more than a role playing DT when you need a true UT to make that scheme work. Harris is better suited to the scheme than some of your other LB's, but again is he a playmaker? No. DJ has not been a playmaker in that scheme becuase he can not roam like he did at Texas. He has to play disciplined and he struggles with responsibilities at the NFL level. Hali and Allen will provide a quality DE tandem, but unless the DT's push players into them they will continue to be minimalized in effectiveness. Donnie Edwards is a solid veteran and I think your best addition, but how will he play in a cover scheme after the 3-4 attack he excelled in SD?

So, while you replaced players that could be better than what you had, you did not upgrade significantly at all and lost more than you gained. Some of those things were out of your control, like DEN releasing Al Wilson due to injury uncertainty. However, to say that you are a better Football team than you were last year at this point is a serious stretch.

Same thing with DEN. I like that they are trying, but they did lose Kearney who was far more important than Graham IMHO. So, they made sure they got Graham after losing Kearney. At least he is a true upgrade at a position that affects the Broncos offense more than outside people realize.

This is just the first two phases of the Offseason, I am confident you will draft another Ryan Sims or Junior Siavii and make it even worse ;D

[TheChamp24]

It may be the end of the story, but it certainly did not make you any better. It just stopped some bleeding at some places that were seeping more than others. Unfortunately, you lost way more than you have upgraded the last two years. You have lost two all-pro level OL, lost two other OT's, your starting QB is heading elsewhere, and your defense still needs playmakers up front and in the middle to run the cover two.

Boone is a steady but unspectacular addition to the cover two that needs an UT to have any consistency in Pass rush. As I said before, he is better than almost all of DEN's DT's, but that does not make him any more than a role playing DT when you need a true UT to make that scheme work. Harris is better suited to the scheme than some of your other LB's, but again is he a playmaker? No. DJ has not been a playmaker in that scheme becuase he can not roam like he did at Texas. He has to play disciplined and he struggles with responsibilities at the NFL level. Hali and Allen will provide a quality DE tandem, but unless the DT's push players into them they will continue to be minimalized in effectiveness. Donnie Edwards is a solid veteran and I think your best addition, but how will he play in a cover scheme after the 3-4 attack he excelled in SD?

So, while you replaced players that could be better than what you had, you did not upgrade significantly at all and lost more than you gained. Some of those things were out of your control, like DEN releasing Al Wilson due to injury uncertainty. However, to say that you are a better Football team than you were last year at this point is a serious stretch.

Same thing with DEN. I like that they are trying, but they did lose Kearney who was far more important than Graham IMHO. So, they made sure they got Graham after losing Kearney. At least he is a true upgrade at a position that affects the Broncos offense more than outside people realize.

This is just the first two phases of the Offseason, I am confident you will draft another Ryan Sims or Junior Siavii and make it even worse ;D

I still remember all the hoopla from the Chief fans regarding Sims and Siavii. Especially Sims since he went top 10. Funny how every year would be "This is the year Sims breaks out!" "Watch out for Sims this year!" and then at the end of the season, they'd be hoping next year is the year.

[azbroncfan]

It may be the end of the story, but it certainly did not make you any better. It just stopped some bleeding at some places that were seeping more than others. Unfortunately, you lost way more than you have upgraded the last two years. You have lost two all-pro level OL, lost two other OT's, your starting QB is heading elsewhere, and your defense still needs playmakers up front and in the middle to run the cover two.

Boone is a steady but unspectacular addition to the cover two that needs an UT to have any consistency in Pass rush. As I said before, he is better than almost all of DEN's DT's, but that does not make him any more than a role playing DT when you need a true UT to make that scheme work. Harris is better suited to the scheme than some of your other LB's, but again is he a playmaker? No. DJ has not been a playmaker in that scheme becuase he can not roam like he did at Texas. He has to play disciplined and he struggles with responsibilities at the NFL level. Hali and Allen will provide a quality DE tandem, but unless the DT's push players into them they will continue to be minimalized in effectiveness. Donnie Edwards is a solid veteran and I think your best addition, but how will he play in a cover scheme after the 3-4 attack he excelled in SD?

So, while you replaced players that could be better than what you had, you did not upgrade significantly at all and lost more than you gained. Some of those things were out of your control, like DEN releasing Al Wilson due to injury uncertainty. However, to say that you are a better Football team than you were last year at this point is a serious stretch.

Same thing with DEN. I like that they are trying, but they did lose Kearney who was far more important than Graham IMHO. So, they made sure they got Graham after losing Kearney. At least he is a true upgrade at a position that affects the Broncos offense more than outside people realize.

This is just the first two phases of the Offseason, I am confident you will draft another Ryan Sims or Junior Siavii and make it even worse ;D

Good post, Bob can't see without unbias. Kerney would be more effective short term but is 30 and off an injury so I'm glad that Graham was signed instead of him.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I guess Mediator just can't accept that our OT and LB positions are in much better shape than they were a year ago.

Also, saying we "lost" Jordan Black is a huge stretch. More like we kicked his ass to the curb.

[NW Bolt Fan]

It may be the end of the story, but it certainly did not make you any better. It just stopped some bleeding at some places that were seeping more than others. Unfortunately, you lost way more than you have upgraded the last two years. You have lost two all-pro level OL, lost two other OT's, your starting QB is heading elsewhere, and your defense still needs playmakers up front and in the middle to run the cover two.

Boone is a steady but unspectacular addition to the cover two that needs an UT to have any consistency in Pass rush. As I said before, he is better than almost all of DEN's DT's, but that does not make him any more than a role playing DT when you need a true UT to make that scheme work. Harris is better suited to the scheme than some of your other LB's, but again is he a playmaker? No. DJ has not been a playmaker in that scheme becuase he can not roam like he did at Texas. He has to play disciplined and he struggles with responsibilities at the NFL level. Hali and Allen will provide a quality DE tandem, but unless the DT's push players into them they will continue to be minimalized in effectiveness. Donnie Edwards is a solid veteran and I think your best addition, but how will he play in a cover scheme after the 3-4 attack he excelled in SD?

So, while you replaced players that could be better than what you had, you did not upgrade significantly at all and lost more than you gained. Some of those things were out of your control, like DEN releasing Al Wilson due to injury uncertainty. However, to say that you are a better Football team than you were last year at this point is a serious stretch.

Same thing with DEN. I like that they are trying, but they did lose Kearney who was far more important than Graham IMHO. So, they made sure they got Graham after losing Kearney. At least he is a true upgrade at a position that affects the Broncos offense more than outside people realize.

This is just the first two phases of the Offseason, I am confident you will draft another Ryan Sims or Junior Siavii and make it even worse ;D

Nice post. But as AZ pointed out, and from a rival fan perspective, I would've hoped you'd have signed Kearney instead of Graham too. Graham is young and is a great team player. I think he'll improve your D simply by keeping them off the field... Kearney, I like, but liken him to almost an identical replacement of Grant Wistrom in Seattle.

As for KC, they're really weak on both lines. Ask Houston fans about Black, and they spin the same stuff McIntosh is getting...

[NW Bolt Fan]

I guess Mediator just can't accept that our OT and LB positions are in much better shape than they were a year ago.

Also, saying we "lost" Jordan Black is a huge stretch. More like we kicked his ass to the curb.

Bob, has anyone told you of your strong possibility to become a Houston Texans fan, or a Miami Dolphins fan?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ask Houston fans about Black, and they spin the same stuff McIntosh is getting...

Despite the fact that McIntosh is a MUCH better player. He actually BELONGS at left tackle.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Despite the fact that McIntosh is a MUCH better player. He actually BELONGS at left tackle.
Based on what?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Based on what?

The fact that he's been a left tackle in this league for years. Black is/was a guard playing out of position.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Jordan Black is a career tackle. Left tackle at that. Here is all you need to know about McIntosh:

He was drafted in the third round of the 2000 NFL Draft by the Chargers. He played four season with the Chargers. On March 13, 2004 the Dolphins signed McIntosh to a six-year, $21 million contract. On March 3, 2007, McIntosh signed a 6-year deal with the Chiefs.


If McIntosh was "wanted back," by the fish, why didn't they just honor his contract?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jordan Black is a career tackle. Left tackle at that.

No. He's been playing out of position.

[NW Bolt Fan]

No. He's been playing the position he played in college and the pros, and will CONTINUE to play at Houston.

College Bio
Played in 43 games (42 starts) for the Fighting Irish … Opened 38 games at left tackle and four contests at right guard … Played in 12 games (11 starts) at left tackle as a senior … Started all 11 games in his junior season, opening the first seven games of the year at left tackle before shifting to right guard for the final four contests … Earned All-Independent first-team honors from Football News and College Football News … Started all 11 games at left tackle as a sophomore … Was an All-Independent choice of College Football News … Started the first nine games of the season at left tackle as a freshman … Suffered a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee vs. Tennessee which caused him to miss the last three games of the year … Redshirted as a true freshman … Majored in Psychology.

Or you can look at his pro experience:

2004
Played in 16 games on special teams and seven contests on offense with four starts at right tackle
2005
Saw duty in all 16 games on special teams and started 10 games on the offensive line, six at left tackle and four at right tackle
2006
Started 15 games at left tackle

[NW Bolt Fan]

In addition, Jordan Black is younger and coming into his own at the position. I'm thinking you guys downgraded here. But you can tell me AFTER the season what you thought of Damion.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LMAO. Coming into his own. What a joke.

The Chiefs moved him to guard last offseason. Injuries to Turley and Sampson forced their hand. He's a horrible tackle. Dude gave up 13 sacks for crying out loud.

I'm sure the Chiefs are incredible morons and thought dumping him was the right move when IN FACT...they should have retained him for peanuts! DAMMIT CARL!

[NW Bolt Fan]

Insert Damion McIntosh and fish everywhere, and you're from Miami.

[Hotrod]

LMAO. Coming into his own. What a joke.

The Chiefs moved him to guard last offseason. Injuries to Turley and Sampson forced their hand. He's a horrible tackle. Dude gave up 13 sacks for crying out loud.

I'm sure the Chiefs are incredible morons and thought dumping him was the right move when IN FACT...they should have retained him for peanuts! DAMMIT CARL!

Ya know bobo it was simply a matter of time before you got something right.

[Popcorn Sutton]

ESPN has McIntosh rated as an average starter along with Black. They did put an alert on McIntosh saying he can't stay healthy. They have McIntosh rated as a 69 and Black rated as a 64 but Black has no health issues. Both of these guys are servicable but I think it's fair to say that neither of them turn heads.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Black isn't serviceable. He's the worst left tackle in the league.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Black isn't serviceable. He's the worst left tackle in the league.

:spit:

Bob, your bitter. Don't get too much of a woody because McIntosh is better but not that much better.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

:spit:

Bob, your bitter. Don't get too much of a woody because McIntosh is better but not that much better.

13 sacks allowed vs 5.5

[DomCasual]

13 sacks allowed vs 5.5

That's simplifying it a bit, wouldn't you think? You can't judge an offensive lineman just on that stat. There are just too many other variables:

1) The team's schedule, and specifically the pass rushing talent a player would face;
2) Games played (and even better, number of plays the player was on the field). Black played three more games than McIntosh, so that accounts for some of the difference;
3) The talent on the rest of the line;
4) The offensive scheme. Does the QB hold onto the ball, or are there a lot of 5 and 7-step drops? Does the TE or RB stay and help a lot?
5) The QB himself. Some QBs are better at avoiding sacks than others.

Seriously, I hope you read this before you write your next thing for Warpaint. I wouldn't want you making a comment like "13 sacks allowed vs 5.5" in your cute little column, and ruining your fledgling career as a sportswriter. People might see the naive simplicity of your comment. It could ruin your credibility.

Now that I mention it, it might not be a bad idea for you to run your ideas up the flagpole here before you send them in. Since you clearly get a lot of your ideas here, it might be smart to let us help you develop them, before you affix your name to them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's simplifying it a bit, wouldn't you think?

Not really. I watched McIntosh when the Chiefs played Miami. Jared Allen was pretty much shut down that day. He's worlds better than Jordan Black.

And we were giving the guy help with tight ends all year long. There's just no freaking way McIntosh ISN'T better than Black.

[NW Bolt Fan]

13 sacks allowed vs 5.5

Chef running attack vs. fish running attack... Hmmm.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chef running attack vs. fish running attack... Hmmm.

Good point. The Chiefs had a much better running attack. Miami had the 5th most pass attempts while the Chiefs were 27th. So McIntosh was pass protecting quite a bit more than Black. Jesus, Black might have allowed close to 20 sacks had the Chiefs been dropping back that much. ROFL!

Unless you were trying to insinuate that McIntosh sucks as a run blocker. Cling to that, I guess.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I want to show you guys just how pathetic Jordan Black TRULY is. On one play last year, he actually managed to sack his own quarterback. No, really:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7344/blackiu8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[cutthemdown]

13 sacks allowed vs 5.5

Ok I don't know where you get the sacks allowed stat or if it's even accurate, but here are some thoughts people had about Mcintosh last yr.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2006/10/houston_they_ha.html

The worst aspect of the 17-15 loss to the Texans Sunday was yet another putrid performance by the offensive line, which, since last year, has taken more steps backward than Michael Jackson doing the Moonwalk. Rex Hadnot and Damion McIntosh had particularly obvious-to-the-layman moments of ineptitude.

Heres some more that suggests he played guard some.

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2006/10/mcintosh-moving-to-guard.html

The Dolphins have moved Damion McIntosh from tackle to guard and he will start and get extensive playing time at the position today against the Houston Texans.

The move which has been in the works the entire week is meant to relieve the pressure teams have been putting on quarterback Daunte Culpepper. He has been sacked 15 times this year, tied for most in the NFL.

Now this sounds like he didn't even play LT all year. And I notice that he only played in 13 games last yr. 2006 Miami Dolphins 13 13 Not exactly a ringing endorsement for handling the LT duties for the Queefs. Makes the 5.5 sacks given up a little less attractive huh?. Not to mention how do you give up half a sack?

Here's so more on Mcinti****. switch back to LT

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2006/10/jets-gameday-is-here.html

First the news: The Dolphins today are moving L.J. Shelton from starting left tackle to starting right guard. Damion McIntosh is moving from right guard to starting left tackle.

The shuffle is evidence how horrible the right guard position has been for Miami this year.

Sounds like Mcintosh wasn't doing well at guard.

well I will leave it at that until I hear your lame come back. Mcintosh is about the same as Black, but Black actually more athletic.

[azbroncfan]

Bobo just can't accept the fact that the queefs made lateral moves to everyone but their homering fans.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Mcintosh is about the same as Black, but Black actually more athletic.

Jesus. There is no convincing some people. The dude gave up more sacks than ANY OTHER PLAYER last year. Erik freaking Pears would be an upgrade.

The source is Stats, Inc, BTW.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bobo just can't accept the fact that the queefs made lateral moves to everyone but their homering fans.

Serious question: Do you really believe Donnie Edwards replacing Kendrell Bell is a lateral move?

[azbroncfan]

Serious question: Do you really believe Donnie Edwards replacing Kendrell Bell is a lateral move?

No the KC D improved the LB's but their OL dropped to retreads and cast offs.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Serious question: Do you really believe Donnie Edwards replacing Kendrell Bell is a lateral move?
I'd call it more of a desparation/homecoming move. No doubt Bell was a SERIOUS disappointment once in KC. How'd you feel about him when you'd signed him, but he hadn't played yet? I'm guessing somewhere along the lines of how you feel now about McIntosh.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Apples to oranges. McIntosh doesn't have a ton of injury problems, either.

[azbroncfan]

I'd call it more of a desparation/homecoming move. No doubt Bell was a SERIOUS disappointment once in KC. How'd you feel about him when you'd signed him, but he hadn't played yet? I'm guessing somewhere along the lines of how you feel now about McIntosh.

He was the next best LB since LT and he was signed with Holliday and Carlos Hall who were the next Javon Kearse and Reggie White.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He was the next best LB since LT and he was signed with Holliday and Carlos Hall who were the next Javon Kearse and Reggie White.

Holliday was part of the great GROB FA class of '03.

[azbroncfan]

Holliday was part of the great GROB FA class of '03.

You know what I mean since you were high on your hog over all of them.