Massacre at Virginia Tech

[Rohirrim]

http://www.cnn.com/

[KCbroncos]

Where was Ron Mexico at the time?

[Crushaholic]

At least they have one suspect in custody. That's some good news...

[Garcia Bronco]

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Garcia Bronco]

CNN scroll bar is saying 20 dead. I hope that's wrong.

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

[KCbroncos]

One dead, 21 injured according to USA Today.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Man, another school shooting. TV says many students shot and injured.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Geeezus, CNN reporting "ät least 20 fatalities".

[Garcia Bronco]

I hope they catch this SOB before he turns the gun on himself. For those that don't know I graduated from Virginia Tech in 98, and I am pissed.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

At least 22 dead now, gunman included, over 20 more shot.

[Rohirrim]

CNN says 20 are dead.

[Paladin]

I hope they catch this SOB before he turns the gun on himself. For those that don't know I graduated from Virginia Tech in 98, and I am pissed.

You might want to rephrase that....

I'm just saying.......

[Rohirrim]

Anybody watching the TV news on this? What's going on?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Wow. Don't know what else to say

[Meck77]

CNN says 20 are dead.


Unbelievable. Columbine has now been outdone. The media machine will roll this 24 hrs a day for weeks and the copy cats will follow and more people will die like usual.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

CNN says shooter is dead, 22 dead, and over 20 more students have been shot.

[Requiem]

Unbelievable, all we can do is pray for these people and their families.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

CNN says two different shootings. One at Johnson Hall? And 2 hours later shootings at Norris Hall. Victims were shot in classrooms and dorms.

[GonzoLays]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

[TexanBob]

Violence on campus is most likely to come as finals approach and students get caught in the pressure cooker of expectations. Campus suicides always go up in May and December. Whoever the shooter is, once they start digging into his background I'll bet they find he was under pressure at school. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he got dumped by a girlfriend too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just sickening! Some guy recorded shot after shot being fired on his I-phone at Norris Hall and the police lined up outside not knowing what to do. You can't blame the police I guess, what are you suppose to do?

[GonzoLays]

I'm telling you, its their culture that causes them to be so wickedly violent. That glorify this crap.

MARILYN MANSON LYRICS

"Get Your Gunn"

Goddamn your righteous hand
I eat innocent meat
The housewife I will beat
The prolife I will kill
What you won't do I will
I bash myself to sleep
What you sow I will reap
I scar myself you see
I wish I wasn't me
I am the little stick
You stir me into ****
I hate therefore I am
Goddamn your righteous hand
Goddamn, goddamn (oh, lord)
Goddamn, goddamn
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
I throw a little fit
I slit my teenage wrist
The most that I can learn
Is in records that you burn
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
I am the vhs
Record me with your fist
You want me to save the world
I'm just a little girl
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Get your gunn, get your gunn...get

[-Slap-]

Can the ****ing comedians around here go find another thread for their flippant comments?

[Garcia Bronco]

CNN says two different shootings. One at Johnson Hall? And 2 hours later shootings at Norris Hall. Victims were shot in classrooms and dorms.

That's the Presidential quad on the edge of campus...that's where my dorm was in 93/94. Holy ****e

[Rohirrim]

I know that Gonzo has no class whatsoever, but his hijacking of this thread still comes as a surprise.

[Crushaholic]

Nobody knows what music the shooter(s) likes, Gonzo. This isn't the time speculate on motivation.

[Hotrod]

Just ignore bonzo thats the best thing to do.

[GonzoLays]

I know that Gonzo has no class whatsoever, but his hijacking of this thread still comes as a surprise.

What, you want to sing kumbaya and hold hands together?

This is a tragedy of epic proportions, but let us not waste time searching for the root cause of these senseless acts. A culture of violence breeds violence.

Just like when our very own Darrent Williams was shot and tragically killed, we speculated as to why it happened and who did it. This situation is no different.

But if you truly feel like you cannot go on, Rohirrim, I suggest you call a licensed professional to help you with your grieving. May peace be with you.

[Popcorn Sutton]

CNN is saying 22 dead. This is terrible.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Was the shooter a student or a professor I am hearing different reports.

[Tredici]

GD FKN LUNATICS. Go jump off a bridge. Set yourself on fire. I don't care. Just leave everyone else the hell alone.

I get so damn sick of these loonies solving their problems by taking out other people.

What a nightmare for everyone touched by this.

[Rohirrim]

What, you want to sing kumbaya and hold hands together?

This is a tragedy of epic proportions, but let us not waste time searching for the root cause of these senseless acts. A culture of violence breeds violence.

Just like when our very own Darrent Williams was shot and tragically killed, we speculated as to why it happened and who did it. This situation is no different.

But if you truly feel like you cannot go on, Rohirrim, I suggest you call a licensed professional to help you with your grieving. May peace be with you.

For all you know, this could be an orchestrated Al Queda attack. You know nothing. Why don't you shut the **** up?

[Los Broncos]

I just heard this on the radio, what in hell is going on in this world?

[DivineLegion]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

So its kids listening to Heavy Metal who cause havoc and feed Violent culture...Funny I would have said the same about Rap :thumbs:

[Taco John]

Unbelievable... I'm broken hearted over this.

[DrFate]

There are rumors on some local message boards that the number could rise as high as 30. I was told they shut down one of the local hospitals to normal patients.

I'm sorry Garcia. This is awful.

[Los Broncos]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

What? Who said anything about heavy metal?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I just heard this on the radio, what in hell is going on in this world?It's just sickening and heartbreaking thinking about these kids being killed like this. I can't imagine what thousands of families and friends across the country with people there are going through right now.

[Los Broncos]

It's just sickening and heartbreaking thinking about these kids being killed like this. I can't imagine what thousands of families and friends across the country with people there are going through right now.

Yep, very very sad indeed, just keep those familys in our prayers.

[shakenbake]

Wow, my heart goes out to the students there and their families.

[cutthemdown]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

Cmon you're not being serious are you. Please tell me this is just because you are feeling defensive over the heated discussions on other threads about rap music.

[Clockwork Orange]

More lives lost to senseless violence. Many more scarred forever.

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

[cabronco]

What? Who said anything about heavy metal?

Just an idiot drawing his own conclusion.

[-Slap-]

What, you want to sing kumbaya and hold hands together?

This is a tragedy of epic proportions, but let us not waste time searching for the root cause of these senseless acts. A culture of violence breeds violence.

Just like when our very own Darrent Williams was shot and tragically killed, we speculated as to why it happened and who did it. This situation is no different.

But if you truly feel like you cannot go on, Rohirrim, I suggest you call a licensed professional to help you with your grieving. May peace be with you.

Hopefully someone you care about (if such a person exists) will be killed some day.

[Paladin]

GD. Columbine, Pennsylvania, Jewish Center in California, and many other equally tragic and senseless acts of violence. The human species is one sorry example of Intelligent Design, if you ask me.

I do believe there was a report that the gunman was looking for his girlfriend. Walked into a class , lined up the students and shot them. Cold blooded bustard! Too many guns? I don't know. Maybe it has to do with who has the guns.....

VT has had it's share of stuff this past school year. Platte Canyon moved on, Columbine moved on and the Amish moved on and the other school shootings have been consigned to history, and VT will move on.....

Is this a violent, paranoid culture or what???? I remember Kirk saying that to his crew when they were trying to rescue the whales..... Nobody objected to that line in the movie.....

[fatcard]

wow

[Hotrod]

Just heard 32 dead and the shooter was not even a student???

[Los Broncos]

32 dead? unreal

[GonzoLays]

Hopefully someone you care about (if such a person exists) will be killed some day.

Simply uncalled for. Many posters have been suspended for a lot less.

[Dagmar]

Wow. Worst school shooting in US history. :(

[GonzoLays]

Hopefully someone you care about (if such a person exists) will be killed some day.

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.

[Hotrod]

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.

Go pound sand you pussy

[Dagmar]

Just heard 32 dead and the shooter was not even a student???

Where are you hearing that? I've CNN and MSNBC going on and they still say 22.

[Hotrod]

Where are you hearing that? I've CNN and MSNBC going on and they still say 22.

Foxnews website and some local message board

[-Slap-]

Simply uncalled for. Many posters have been suspended for a lot less.

Why?

You think people being killed is funny. I think it would be funny to see someone in your family killed. I would laugh right in your face when it happened.

[Dagmar]

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.

Dude, seriously, stop making this thread about you. What is wrong with you?

[-Slap-]

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.

Yeah, but I'm not going anywhere.

Too bad, ain't it?

[Hotrod]

deleted due to potentially wrong info

[2Times3233]

They had several bomb threats on campus a few days last week.
CNN is reporting at least 22 dead which is confusing because a half hour ago they were only reporting one fatality.

Blaming this on music and lyrics is laughable.
Calling this an act of terrorism is laughable.

I guess we need even MORE guns floating around, and more speeches by the NRA proclaiming that there's no problem and if you want to own a semi-automatic weapon, hey...no problem.

The audio from the cell phone video sounds distincly like semi-automatic rounds.

Yeah, go ahead and rip me a new one.
You think I care?
At the age of 53, do you know how many times I've witnessed the same thing over and over?
Too many.

It's up to 29 dead now.
So, reports that at least 30 that were killed that someone reported earlier in this thread were on the money.

Think about unfettered gun ownership in this country as you see the video from the multiple funerals that corporate media will be broadcasting starting later this week.

Think about if it was YOUR kid.

Maybe Cheney will deliver another speech at the NRA.

What a country.

Tear yourselves to pieces.
I see where this thread is going and it ain't going to be pretty.
I think I'll check back in September.

I'm gonna go call my nephew at Penn State and tell him I love him.

More Americans will die today in Virginia than will die in Iraq.

Makes me wonder where the REAL war is.

[Dagmar]

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_1642_images/0416071259_M_041607_shooting.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html

BLACKSBURG, Va. — At least 32 people are confirmed dead and at least another 21 are wounded after a shooting at Virginia Tech University Monday morning, federal law enforcement officials told FOX News.

Campus police said there was only one shooter and he is now dead. They are unsure if the shooter was a student and it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.

"The university was struck today with a tragedy of monumental proportions," Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said during a press conference shortly after noon. "The university is shocked and horrified that this would befall our campus ... I cannot begin to convey my own personal sense of loss over this senselessness of such an incomprehensible and heinous act."

It was the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history.

Steger said school officials are notifying victims' next of kin, and state police and the FBI are still investigating the various crime scenes. They are still trying to identify all the victims. The university will set up counseling centers for students and faculty.

[Northman]

Sorry to hear about all this Garcia. What a tragedy.

[Hotrod]

They had several bomb threats on campus a few days last week.
CNN is reporting at least 22 dead which is confusing because a half hour ago they were only reporting one fatality.

Blaming this on music and lyrics is laughable.
Calling this an act of terrorism is laughable.

I guess we need even MORE guns floating around, and more speeches by the NRA proclaiming that there's no problem and if you want to own a semi-automatic weapon, hey...no problem.

The audio from the cell phone video sounds distincly like semi-automatic rounds.

Yeah, go ahead and rip me a new one.
You think I care?
At the age of 53, do you know how many times I've witnessed the same thing over and over?
Too many.

It's up to 29 dead now.
So, reports that at least 30 that were killed that someone reported earlier in this thread were on the money.

Think about unfettered gun ownership in this country as you see the video from the multiple funerals that corporate media will be broadcasting starting later this week.

Think about if it was YOUR kid.

Maybe Cheney will deliver another speech at the NRA.

What a country.

Tear yourselves to pieces.
I see where this thread is going and it ain't going to be pretty.
I think I'll check back in September.

I'm gonna go call my nephew at Penn State and tell him I love him.

More Americans will die today in Virginia than will die in Iraq.

Makes me wonder where the REAL war is.


LABF is that you.....save your political message for another thread.

[Kid A]

I don't think that picture is him. He was killed, so I doubt that he would have been caught by police beforehand. THey are reporting it was a heavily armed Asian man in his 20s.

[Dagmar]

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1642,00.html#2_0

Heres a picture of the dirt bag.

I thought he was killed?

[DrFate]

http://www.foxnews.com/

now say 32 confirmed killed

sickening tragedy

[GonzoLays]

Yeah, but I'm not going anywhere.

Too bad, ain't it?

Oh, you are mocking the moderators now? What are you saying, they are afraid of you?

[Northman]

Yep gonzo, he looks like a head banger to me that loves the devil.


I guess he forgot to put on his KISS makeup.

[Northman]

Oh, you are mocking the moderators now? What are you saying, they are afraid of you?


I think what he is saying is they dont care about you all that much Gonzo.

[Los Broncos]

I'm telling you, its their culture that causes them to be so wickedly violent. That glorify this crap.

MARILYN MANSON LYRICS

"Get Your Gunn"

Goddamn your righteous hand
I eat innocent meat
The housewife I will beat
The prolife I will kill
What you won't do I will
I bash myself to sleep
What you sow I will reap
I scar myself you see
I wish I wasn't me
I am the little stick
You stir me into ****
I hate therefore I am
Goddamn your righteous hand
Goddamn, goddamn (oh, lord)
Goddamn, goddamn
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
I throw a little fit
I slit my teenage wrist
The most that I can learn
Is in records that you burn
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
I am the vhs
Record me with your fist
You want me to save the world
I'm just a little girl
Pseudo-morals work real well
On the talk shows for the weak
But your selective judgements
And goodguy badges
Don't mean a **** to me
Get your gunn, get your gunn
Get your gunn, get your gunn...get


How do you even know what they listen too?

[Rohirrim]

This is just a heart rending tragedy. I can't imagine the grief and the worry of the families involved.

[DomCasual]

Holy crap! I saw the initial headline this morning that said there was one dead. I just figured it was a domestic thing. This, though, is unreal. This "I'm going to commit suicide, anyway, so I might as well take as many as possible down with me" thing is becoming all too common.

Assuming that's what it was.

My heart goes out to the families of those kids. Can you imagine sending your child to college, and getting this? Just horrific on every level.

[ak1971]

What the **** is wrong with people. If you are having problems, off yourself if thats what you have to do. Dont take everyone else with you

[Popcorn Sutton]

Gonzo, your comments hours after 20-30 people died in a tragic shooting were insensitive and provoking. What kind of a response were you expecting? Can we let the dust settle on this tragedy before we jump to conclusions?

Have a heart.

My condolences to all who were involved. I can't imagine what you are going through.

[Barry Ramey]

This is just plain horrible and sickening. Unfortunately, with the way today's society is in regards to lacking the worry and care for your fellow man and just being selfish, something like this isn't shocking to me anymore. If it's not killing, there are other ways people are hurting others with scams and other crimes all the time. I feel sorry for the families that are effected in this, which looks like quite a few to say the least.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.foxnews.com/
now say 32 confirmed killed
sickening tragedy
AP, CNN and Reuters still reporting 22 dead and 29 shot and injured.

[B-Love]

Unlike Columbine, this is a major college campus with cameras everywhere. I wonder how long it will be before these 32 (for now) families will know that a video of their kid perishing is all over the Internet.

Hopefully no video surfaces; no family should have to see that.

[Garcia Bronco]

There are rumors on some local message boards that the number could rise as high as 30. I was told they shut down one of the local hospitals to normal patients.

I'm sorry Garcia. This is awful.

Probably Montgomery Hospital

[Garcia Bronco]

Unlike Columbine, this is a major college campus with cameras everywhere. I wonder how long it will be before these 32 (for now) families will know that a video of their kid perishing is all over the Internet.

Hopefully no video surfaces; no family should have to see that.

Unless things have changed...there aren't Cameras anywhere.

[defenseman]

Just heard Young asian male was the shooter, according to same source shooter's weapons of choice were at least a 9 mm and a .22 caliber. In addition, it's been reported that the shooter chained the exit doors shut in the last building he entered to ensure no one could escape. Appears he planned this out, diabolicle at the minumum. Very very sad day indeed..dman

[Northman]

MSNBC just reported the death toll at 31.

[defenseman]

MSNBC just reported the death toll at 31.

this is just terrible. My heart hurts for these kids and their parents. Very sad day....what in god's name was that young man thinking. Just terrible..dman

[Garcia Bronco]

It wouldn't suprise me if the shooter wasn't a student. In fact I would think this is the most likely situation. When I was a student there some towny from Roanoke blasted some folks in a local bar over a woman and perceived "courtship".

[Popcorn Sutton]

Just heard Young asian male was the shooter, according to same source shooter's weapons of choice were at least a 9 mm and a .22 caliber. In addition, it's been reported that the shooter chained the exit doors shut in the last building he entered to ensure no one could escape. Appears he planned this out, diabolicle at the minumum. Very very sad day indeed..dman

dman... where did you hear this?

[defenseman]

MSNBC just reported the death toll at 31.

ABC just reported the same. Government officials just confirmed 31 dead. Bad bad day for us all...dman

[rovolution]

What a terrible tragedy. My condolences to the families of the victims.


BTW... Gonzo, your comments were extremely inappropriate. This is not a time to be pointing fingers at Music Genres. Do you have any shame?

[defenseman]

dman... where did you hear this?

I'm thinking MSNBC. I am jumping around all over the place right now and could have the source incorrect, however as I posted is exactly what they said...sorry about that, jumping all over to get updates. Really sad day...dman

[gunns]

Just heard a report that he committed the first shooting, and while police were on that scene, he set up the rest of the shootings. I don't know how accurate that is, but shouldn't the police have locked down the campus after the first shooting? I don't know, you try to make sense but there is none. My heart goes out to the parents of any students attending VT.

[defenseman]

What a terrible tragedy. My condolences to the families of the victims.


BTW... Gonzo, your comments were extremely inappropriate. This is not a time to be pointing fingers at Music Genres. Do you have any shame?

I'll back you up on that rovo, not the time for pointing fingers. You need to standown gonzo till all the facts are in...dman

[cutthemdown]

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.

I got suspended for saying that Jenna Jameson would be a better role model then some fat female football player for some dudes daughter. The suspensions around here are arbitrary and make no sense. I mean people have actually threatened people and then get to keep posting so I wouldn't expect anyone to care you got your vagina bruised because someone said he hopes your family dies.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

This is ridiculous. What the hell goes through someone's mind to make them to this crap. IDIOT!!!

[Dagmar]

I heard the same as dman, go to MSNBC.com and they have an interview from the hospital with a kid who was shot in the arm. He describes the shooter.

[Garcia Bronco]

He started in a dorm at 7:15 West AJ is a coed dorm...then went to an academic building and did the real damage 2 hours later.

The dorm I lived in is in the bottom right called Miles Hall...I used to joke they called it that because it was miles away form the academic buildings.

[WaffleBoy]

Just a horrible act. I still can't believe it. I've been in that building and area so many times.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[go_broncos]

Just heard Young asian male was the shooter, according to same source shooter's weapons of choice were at least a 9 mm and a .22 caliber. In addition, it's been reported that the shooter chained the exit doors shut in the last building he entered to ensure no one could escape. Appears he planned this out, diabolicle at the minumum. Very very sad day indeed..dman

Being an indian, I feel ashamed that the killer is an asian..
I hate when they bring bad name to the country by doing these things..

May their souls rest in peace.

[Garcia Bronco]

Being an indian, I feel ashamed that the killer is an asian..
I hate when they bring bad name to the country by doing these things..

May their souls rest in peace.

Ethnic back groud for me is of little concern...anybody is capable of anything

[Kaylore]

I guess the toll is up to 32. Terrible. What an evil coward.

[Los Broncos]

I feel very bad for the familes and Garcia.

[Dagmar]

What the hell happened between 7:15am and 9:15am? DId he go get coffee? I dfon't understand this timeline people keep mentioning.

[defenseman]

I heard the same as dman, go to MSNBC.com and they have an interview from the hospital with a kid who was shot in the arm. He describes the shooter.

the sophomore shot in the arm also reported the shooter attempted to re-enter the room and finish the job. He and some of his classmates managed to hold the door shut to not allow the shooter back in, the shooter attempted to shoot his way back in. Now that is a nightmare scenario right there. Can't imagine what was going through those young men and women's minds while that was in progress. My hats off to the lad and his classmates for keeping their head about them during this ordeal...probably saved a few lives today..dman

[defenseman]

Just reported: Death toll now up to 32...dman

[Rock Chalk]

What the ****??

[Pseudofool]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

And killing people over seas, and general war-mongering or promoting kill the terrorist, certainly doesn't diminish the value of life to our young people. :angel:

[Pseudofool]

What the hell happened between 7:15am and 9:15am? DId he go get coffee? I dfon't understand this timeline people keep mentioning.
Good question. He could have gone to wal-mart to reload (bad joke, but in this context an important point). I wouldn't be surprised if they found more bodies, and other crimes committed during those two hours.

[Northman]

They are reporting a rumor that some of the students may have been lined up and executed.

[Kaylore]

They are reporting a rumor that some of the students may have been lined up and executed.

I must be getting information faster that you guys are because I heard what most of you are posting and hour ago. He ordered them all down and then shot them execution style. The few who survived did so by playing dead.

[TheDave]

What an a$$hole... this world is seriously messed up sometimes.

[Northman]

I must be getting information faster that you guys are because I heard what most of you are posting and hour ago. He ordered them all down and then shot them execution style. The few who survived did so by playing dead.

probably, i also stepped away for a bit. Either way, this is ****ed up.

[Kaylore]

probably, i also stepped away for a bit. Either way, this is ****ed up.

Yeah, that would be an understatement. :(

[defenseman]

And killing people over seas, and general war-mongering or promoting kill the terrorist, certainly doesn't diminish the value of life to our young people. :angel:

Give it a rest , you are already making assumptions. Freaking politicizing already? What a freaking malcontent..dman

[defenseman]

Good question. He could have gone to wal-mart to reload (bad joke, but in this context an important point). I wouldn't be surprised if they found more bodies, and other crimes committed during those two hours.

Who knows.....god I do hope not...dman

[Rohirrim]

What an a$$hole... this world is seriously messed up sometimes.

It's not the world, it's us crazy apes.

[Garcia Bronco]

God Bless the everyone...

[Northman]

It's not the world, it's us crazy apes.

Damn filthy Apes!!!! LOL

[Man-Goblin]

I must be getting information faster that you guys are because I heard what most of you are posting and hour ago. He ordered them all down and then shot them execution style. The few who survived did so by playing dead.

Absolutely sickening...what news source are you using Kaylore?

[Dukes]

I must be getting information faster that you guys are because I heard what most of you are posting and hour ago. He ordered them all down and then shot them execution style. The few who survived did so by playing dead.

Wow, that's pretty unbelievable. I can't begin to imagine being in that situation. My heart goes out to anyone with a loss today.

[Kaylore]

Absolutely sickening...what news source are you using Kaylore?

The radio is all! I've just got 850 KOA on in the background and they use FOX News and some other sources. Also I have news talk 710 on in my car. Between the two they've had a lot of students and some of these reports up pretty fast. Had I known I was getting advanced info I would have posted more but you always assume everyone is hearing the same things.

[Dagmar]

Cell phone footage.

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=29818@kcnc.dayport.com

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Students from 36 countries are enrolled there. Saying now that he was student and knew his way around there.

[Pseudofool]

Give it a rest , you are already making assumptions. Freaking politicizing already? What a freaking malcontent..dman

My point was we could point to either end of the political spectrum for the cause of social violence--not to make assumptions...

[Mooby]

When are these kids going to learn not to listen to that devil worshiping heavy metal music? Do they all want to be mass serial killers? It's the culture of violence that produces these thugs.

Why are they always shooting people in mass? Why schools? What is wrong with these thugs? One of these thugs causes more havoc and destruction than 25 common criminals combined.

I considered this an act of terrorism.

You are an F'in idiot. Music has absolutely nothing to do with this, you are just using this as an excuse to talk about your hate for heavy metal. The majority of people I know listen to heavy metal and none of them would ever consider doing a senseless act of violence like this.

As for myself, it saddens me to hear about this. I have 2 friends that go to VT and I haven't been able to get in touch with either. I pray they aren't included in this senseless tragedy. My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone else who was affected by this as well.

[Taco John]

Who is the moderator that suspended me for my Polish Joke? And the joke was funny, too. But to let this pass? To let posters wish death upon your family members cannot be tolerated.

Slap should be reprimanded and suspended for his vile suggestions.


What -Slap- did was definitely wrong. He should have just ignored your stupid trolling ass. That said, I imagine it felt good for him to release that vile statement in your direction given the fact that you have done nothing in this thread but provoke the attack with your moronic pre-conclusions.

You're a provocateur. It's like you're mooning people, and when one of them finally puts a boot up your keyster, you cry about the fact that someone actually went and did it.

Grow up.

[defenseman]

My point was we could point to either end of the political spectrum for the cause of social violence--not to make assumptions...

Fair enough, I'll back off. It takes a bit to get me sick to my stomach, this has actually met the benchmark. I'm simply sick to my stomach over this. What the hell is going on out there...dman

[Northman]

What -Slap- did was definitely wrong. He should have just ignored your stupid trolling ass. That said, I imagine it felt good for him to release that vile statement in your direction given the fact that you have done nothing in this thread but provoke the attack.

It's like you're mooning people, and when one of them finally puts a boot up your keyster, you cry about the fact that someone did it.

Grow up.



:rofl:

Right on the money.

[Dagmar]

What -Slap- did was definitely wrong. He should have just ignored your stupid trolling ass. That said, I imagine it felt good for him to release that vile statement in your direction given the fact that you have done nothing in this thread but provoke the attack.

It's like you're mooning people, and when one of them finally puts a boot up your keyster, you cry about the fact that someone did it.

Grow up.

Nice. Now just use your 35,000th post announcing you have banned Bob and we will all smile! ;)

[Meck77]

I can't believe one gunman killed and injured so many people with a 9mm and .22. You would think someone or a group of people would have been able to jump the guy? It's all speculation at this point. The amount of time he was running around shooting people is very odd to me also.

RIP

[Man-Goblin]

I can't believe one gunman killed and injured so many people with a 9mm and .22. You would think someone or a group of people would have been able to jump the guy? It's all speculation at this point. The amount of time he was running around shooting people is very odd to me also.

RIP

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The carnage involved is astronomical considering what this evil person had at his disposal.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Good God...I'm stuck in IHOP waiting on my car to get serviced and there's no TV in here so I had no idea this was going on...the title of this thread doesn't fit the carnage. I saw it and thought maybe one person was shot or something. This is horrible...and I can't believe the levels people will sink to on the internet to verbally assault someone even in a time of crisis and mourning...amazing.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18138327/

This time-line is really bizarre. Where did the guy go for over two hours? Very strange.

[footstepsfrom#27]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18138327/

This time-line is really bizarre. Where did the guy go for over two hours? Very strange.
That's what I'm wondering. I read this whole thread and still don't know if the guy was caught or killed...who did it...how many dead...this will keep changing as the rumor mill churns on for hours I bet.

Two hours? That's crazy...maybe he wore a mask at the first site and escaped detection since nobody knew who it was or something...I can't imagine any other explanation.

[Tredici]

The first site could've been planned simply as a diversion. Sickening as it sounds. Wouldn't it draw all the police and rescue personnel attention? Wouldn't the time lapse lead them to believe it was over?

I thought we'd reached a new low when someone goes into a room of Amish schoolgirls with KY Jelly in his backpack but his time line is disrupted so he just executes kids.

Apparently there is no bottom to the dregs of humanity.

[watermock]

I can't believe one gunman killed and injured so many people with a 9mm and .22. You would think someone or a group of people would have been able to jump the guy? It's all speculation at this point. The amount of time he was running around shooting people is very odd to me also.

RIP

That's what I would of done. I'm no hero, but if he's got the door chained it's pretty damn obvious what the plan is. Hopefully, someone would jump in behind me even if I'm taken out, I might buy some time for someone else. That sounds overly bravado, but I see someone chaning the door you have to move. Heroics for the kids who blocked the door.

Notice he went after the Engineering school, not the athletic center.

I hate waking up to shocking news. Of course, 9/11 stunned me where it took time to even cry...this senseless crap I wake up to, and even tho it was one man, the senseless death of DWill.

This trumps the Columbine and Tower sniper in Austin by a mile.Some things just make you sob.

[watermock]

The press is allready taking the lack of warning and lockdown to the limit, as possibly they should. Let's see what the presser says in a few minutes.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The first site could've been planned simply as a diversion. Sickening as it sounds. Wouldn't it draw all the police and rescue personnel attention? Wouldn't the time lapse lead them to believe it was over?

I thought we'd reached a new low when someone goes into a room of Amish schoolgirls with KY Jelly in his backpack but his time line is disrupted so he just executes kids.

Apparently there is no bottom to the dregs of humanity.
It's too early for speculation but everyone will anyway, including me. I would think that once the shootings started and police were on the scene, the whole campus would be locked down to the best of the ability of the police dept. since the assailant was still at large? It would make sense for every building to be occupied by police after the first shooting?

Like I said, it's easy to speculate but we don't know yet.

I can say that I think we need to develop special units that deal in these school assassinations in every major police dept in the country now. Units that have special armor and vehicles where they can wade in ASAP under fire to save as many kids as possible.

It's obvious we have so many defective humans in this country that we have to start planning accordingly.

[watermock]

The first site could've been planned simply as a diversion. Sickening as it sounds. Wouldn't it draw all the police and rescue personnel attention? Wouldn't the time lapse lead them to believe it was over?

I thought we'd reached a new low when someone goes into a room of Amish schoolgirls with KY Jelly in his backpack but his time line is disrupted so he just executes kids.

Apparently there is no bottom to the dregs of humanity.

It does appear that the original homicide may of been a diversion Tred.

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18138327/

This time-line is really bizarre. Where did the guy go for over two hours? Very strange.

It's a bout a 15 minute walk from West AJ to Norris, Burress, and McBride Hall.

[Hotrod]

As my daughter is getting close to leaving the house and going to college this story scares the **** out of me. The idea that for the first time in her life I wont be there to protect her. They must feel completely helpless right now.

My prayers go out to the parents of those attending this school :pray:

[Garcia Bronco]

It's too early for speculation but everyone will anyway, including me. I would think that once the shootings started and police were on the scene, the whole campus would be locked down to the best of the ability of the police dept. since the assailant was still at large? It would make sense for every building to be occupied by police after the first shooting?

Like I said, it's easy to speculate but we don't know yet.

I can say that I think we need to develop special units that deal in these school assassinations in every major police dept in the country now. Units that have special armor and vehicles where they can wade in ASAP under fire to save as many kids as possible.

It's obvious we have so many defective humans in this country that we have to start planning accordingly.
The police station...provided it is still on Clay Street is less than one mile from West AJ with 3 turns

[Hotrod]

It does appear that the original homicide may of been a diversion Tred.

I dont really think so.........if I'm correct he went after his ex first and shot her. Then 2 hours later started shooting up the other building. As sick as it sounds my thought is he shot his ex then went into a state of shock. Realized then he was in deep **** and as sick as it sounds decided to go out with a bang :nono:

[defenseman]

It's too early for speculation but everyone will anyway, including me. I would think that once the shootings started and police were on the scene, the whole campus would be locked down to the best of the ability of the police dept. since the assailant was still at large? It would make sense for every building to be occupied by police after the first shooting?

Like I said, it's easy to speculate but we don't know yet.

I can say that I think we need to develop special units that deal in these school assassinations in every major police dept in the country now. Units that have special armor and vehicles where they can wade in ASAP under fire to save as many kids as possible.

It's obvious we have so many defective humans in this country that we have to start planning accordingly.


Agreed. And what's next? I am sick to my stomach. I just can't fathom what just occurred today at VT. Agreed, we need some agressive tactics in addition to a very solid security / backup plans for most occassions. You'll never be able to plan for all contingencies though. Just the big picture items and establish communications immediately, the key to almost everything. It appears at the outset, this young man had alot planned out and followed it to the letter. Lots of totally innocent lives lost today. Just sad, very very sad..dman

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm watching the press conference now...no ID on the gunman cause he carried none...31 confirmed dead...a list of the victims to be released tomorrow. It's not decided there's a connection between the 1st and 2nd shootings...???... the suspect is dead...www.vsp.virginia.gov has updates.

Question from press:

Q: Why wasn't campus shut down after the first incident?

A: decision made not to cancel classes or shut down campus after the first shooting because they thought it was an isolated incident.

[Rock Chalk]

I'm watching the press conference now...no ID on the gunman cause he carried none...31 confirmed dead...a list of the victims to be released tomorrow. It's not decided there's a connection between the 1st and 2nd shootings...???... the suspect is dead...www.vsp.virginia.gov has updates.

Question from press:

Q: Why wasn't campus shut down after the first incident?

A: decision made not to cancel classes or shut down campus after the first shooting because they thought it was an isolated incident.

Let's send out a memo to every school from pre-k to college.

One shooting on campus and classes are cancelled. School is locked down.

What a pathetic excuse.

[Dagmar]

Jesus, Jack Thompson has been on Fox News laying blame at the feet of video games. Sigh.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Let's send out a memo to every school from pre-k to college.

One shooting on campus and classes are cancelled. School is locked down.

What a pathetic excuse.
State police say they secured the initial building where the first shooting happened and locked it down. They still won't confirm a connection between the two shootings.

Confirmed that "some of the doors were chained"...

[footstepsfrom#27]

Jesus, Jack Thompson has been on Fox News laying blame at the feet of video games. Sigh.
No suprise...if violent video games could explain this stuff, every Viet Nam War vet would be shooting up schools. Millions play video games...school shootings are incredibly rare...they just make huge headlines.

[Old Dude]

Just saw this. It's sickening.

[Garcia Bronco]

All I can think of is this quote with regard to things we'll all hear about this.

"To the people that really care about me, just continue to pray. And to those who are going to say what they want to say, may God be with you also."

-Walter Payton

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No suprise...if violent video games could explain this stuff, every Viet Nam War vet would be shooting up schools. Millions play video games...school shootings are incredibly rare...they just make huge headlines.

I disagree completely, they are becoming common place.

[footstepsfrom#27]

University spokesperson says they have no policy of a total campus lockdown...no reason to suspect another shooting would occur.

I wonder if there are potentially two shooters?

[Garcia Bronco]

Even if they had decided to lock down every building....just so people understand....there are about 70 buildings including academic buildings and dorms and administration offices....BPD and Campus Police doesn't have that kind of man power...it would also be impossible to get all that information out to just the 25,000 students...not including faculity. It easy to start assigning blame....but really...it's just us trying to lash out against something we all find abhorent.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear this.

Thinking about what must have went through those kids heads while it happened makes me sick to my stomach.

My heart goes out to everyone involved in this. (except the shooter, coward bitch)

[Northman]

Even if they had decided to lock down every building....just so people understand....there are about 70 buildings including academic buildings and dorms and administration offices....BPD and Campus Police doesn't have that kind of man power...it would also be impossible to get all that information out to just the 25,000 students...not including faculity. It easy to start assigning blame....but really...it's just us trying to lash out against something we all find abhorent.


I agree. They are really hammering the police right now but its totally unfair. They were just trying to figure out what was going on like the rest of them.

[Garcia Bronco]

University spokesperson says they have no policy of a total campus lockdown...no reason to suspect another shooting would occur.

I wonder if there are potentially two shooters?

could be...It's hard to imagine killing that many people with a .22 and a 9mm

[The MVPlaya]

No one commented on the video? that **** was crazy.

God Bless to everyone but the shooter(s) involved in this incident.

[Garcia Bronco]

I agree. They are really hammering the police right now but its totally unfair. They were just trying to figure out what was going on like the rest of them.


1 of the 3 libaries is 7 stories high...there is another building called whitimore that is close to 10....Davidson...the Chem hall is 4 or 5....McBride hall is has 6..it really would almost be impossible.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I disagree completely, they are becoming common place.
Mike Males is a senior policy analyst at the Justice Policy Institute and the foremost researcher of youth violence in America. He says different:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/chap-3.htm

[Jana®]

The whole thing is absolutely heartbreaking. They are all in my thoughts and prayers!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Mike Males is a senior policy analyst at the Justice Policy Institute and the foremost researcher of youth violence in America. He says different:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/chap-3.htmMales can say anything he wants to but school shootings are becoming all too common. Here is a partial list.....

-----------------------------------------------------------

A list of some fatal shootings at U.S. schools in recent years (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/02/america/NA_GEN_US_School_Shootings.php)
The Associated Press

Published: October 2, 2006
_Oct. 2, 2006: A gunman killed at least four people, including himself, and wounded more at a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania's Lancaster County, state police said.

_Sept. 29, 2006: 15-year-old Eric Hainstock brought two guns to Weston Schools in rural Cazenovia, Wisconsin and fatally shot his principal, 49-year-old John Klang, after Klang had given him a a disciplinary warning for having tobacco on school grounds.

_Sept. 27, 2006: 53-year-old gunman Duane Morrison took six girls hostage at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colorado. Morrison used the girls as human shields for hours before he shot and fatally wounded 16-year-old Emily Keyes and then killed himself.

_Aug. 24, 2006: Christopher Williams, 27, went to Essex Elementary School in Essex, Vermont looking for his ex-girlfriend, Andrea Lambesis. He shot and killed teacher Mary Alicia Shanks, 56, and wounded another teacher at the school. Williams also killed Lambesis' mother.

_ Nov. 8, 2005: 15-year-old Ken Bartley Jr., a high school freshman, is arrested in the fatal shooting of Assistant Principal Ken Bruce and wounding of two other school administrators at Campbell County High School in eastern Tennessee. Authorities did not immediately disclose a motive.

_ March 21, 2005: Sixteen-year-old Jeff Weise shot and killed five schoolmates, a teacher and an unarmed guard at Red Lake High School on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota before taking his own life. Weise had earlier killed his grandfather and his grandfather's companion.

_ Nov. 22, 2004: Sixteen-year-old Jalil Speaks was fatally shot and three other students were wounded outside Strawberry Mansion High in Philadelphia. Sixteen-year-old Desmond Keels is set to stand trial on murder charges later this month. The shooting apparently was over a $50 (€40) debt in a rap contest.

_April 24, 2003: 14-year-old James Sheets shot and killed 51-year-old Eugene Segro, principal of Red Lion Area Junior High School in south-central Pennsylvania, before killing himself. The shooting took place inside the school's crowded cafeteria.

_ Sept. 24, 2003: Fifteen-year-old John Jason McLaughlin fatally shot two fellow students - Aaron Rollins, 17, and Seth Bartell, 14 - at Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minnesota. McLaughlin was sentenced in August to life in prison. He will not be eligible for parole for nearly 40 years.

_March 5, 2001: Charles "Andy" Williams, 15, killed two fellow students and wounded 13 others at Santana High School in Santee, California, in San Diego County. Williams was sentenced to 50 years to life in prison.

_May 26, 2000: 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill killed his English teacher, Barry Grunow, on last day of classes in Lake Worth, Florida, after the teacher refused to let him talk with two girls in his classroom. He was convicted of second-degree murder and is serving a 28-year sentence.

_Feb. 29, 2000: Six-year-old boy shot and killed 6-year-old classmate at Buell Elementary School in Mount Morris Township, Michigan. Because of his age, the boy was not charged.

_Nov. 19, 1999: 13-year-old girl shot in the head in school at Deming, New Mexico, and died the next day. A 12-year-old boy later pleaded guilty and was sentenced to at least two years in juvenile prison.

_ Apr. 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

_ May 21, 1998: Two teenagers were killed and more than 20 people hurt when a teenage boy opened fire at a high school in Springfield, Oregon, after killing his parents. Kip Kinkel, 17, was sentenced to nearly 112 years in prison.

_May 19, 1998: Three days before his graduation, Jacob Davis, an 18-year-old honor student, opened fire at a high school in Fayetteville, Tennessee, killing a classmate who was dating his ex-girlfriend. Davis was later sentenced to life in prison.

_April 24, 1998: Andrew Wurst, 15, opened fire at an eighth-grade dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, killing a science teacher. The boy pleaded guilty to third-degree murder and other charges and is serving 30 to 60 years in prison.

_ March 24, 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, fired on their Jonesboro, Arkansas, middle school from nearby woods, killing four girls and a teacher and wounding 10 others. Both boys were later convicted of murder and can be held until age 21.

_Dec. 1, 1997: Three students were killed and five wounded at Heath High School in West Paducah, Kentucky. Michael Carneal, 14-year-old, later pleaded guilty but mentally ill to murder and is serving life in prison.

_Oct. 1, 1997: Sixteen-year-old Luke Woodham of Pearl, Mississippi, fatally shot two students to death and wounded seven others after stabbing his mother to death. He was sentenced the following year to three life sentences plus 140 years.

_Feb. 19, 1997: A 16-year-old boy took a shotgun and a bag of shells to school in Bethel, Alaska, and killed the principal and a student and injured two others. Evan Ramsey is serving a 210-year sentence.


.

[smalltowngrll]

Wow, I just heard about this. So very sad!

My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the victims, families and the students! So sad... :(

[TexanBob]

could be...It's hard to imagine killing that many people with a .22 and a 9mm

It's hard to imagine shooting someone, walking clear across campus, carrying two pieces plus additional ammo and possibly chains and locks if he needed that as part of the plan and yet nobody saw him and considered him suspicious.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Males can say anything he wants to but school shootings are becoming all to common. Here is a partial list.....
The home is far more dangerous than the school and I know you didn't have time to read what he says. Let's argue about it later though...I want to follow this and I don't want to hijack this thread.

This is so just tragic and senseless.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's hard to imagine shooting someone, walking clear across campus, carrying two pieces plus additional ammo and possibly chains and locks if he needed that as part of the plan and yet nobody saw him and considered him suspicious.

chains were probably on the doors already for nightly locking

[PatsWin2002]

chains were probably on the doors already for nightly locking

You're probably right. So all he needed was padlocks on his person.
It's a huge clue as to how specifically planned this was.

[Garcia Bronco]

You're probably right. So all he needed was padlocks on his person.
It's a huge clue as to how specifically planned this was.

Norris is an engineering building...right next to it is Burress, which is the main Hall, and houses administration and the Provost office....it just seems like and odd choice. Who knows what will come out in the next few days.

[footstepsfrom#27]

If the gunman killed himself who is the Asian guy in that pic that cops were handcuffing? ???

[Northman]

Norris is an engineering building...right next to it is Burress, which is the main Hall, and houses administration and the Provost office....it just seems like and odd choice. Who knows what will come out in the next few days.


Last i heard they believe him to be a student there right?

[The MVPlaya]

^^^ someone they thought coulda been the shooter.

[OrangeShadow]

its so sad to hear about stuff like this. my thoughts are with the students and their families

[Los Broncos]

Cell phone footage.

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=29818@kcnc.dayport.com

Thanks for that. This ordeal is affecting me more than i thought.

[DomCasual]

If the gunman killed himself who is the Asian guy in that pic that cops were handcuffing? ???

My guess would be the initial 911 calls referenced an Asian guy, so the police saw him and handcuffed him, just in case.

[watermock]

That made the back of my neck stand up and cry again. Good Lord.

[broncolife]

I am really surprised terriorist havent tried this yet. I mean if one guy can kill this many people in a school just think what 15 heavly armed terriorist with a plan could do.This shiat just makes me sick.

[DomCasual]

I am really surprised terriorist havent tried this yet. I mean if one guy can kill this many people in a school just think what 15 heavly armed terriorist with a plan could do.This shiat just makes me sick.

That's what I was thinking. Although, a plan like that would take serious planning and communication, and I would hope the CIA would get it before it happened.

It's not a popular sentiment, I'm sure, but I think it's pretty darn amazing there hasn't been major terrorist attacks on our soil since 9/11. I remember how everyone was speculating when, not if, it happened again - whether it would be through chemical/biological attacks, poisoning water supplies, etc. Here we are, almost seven years later, and we've been able to stop everything before it's happened. There is some credit deserved for that, but trashing the deserving individuals/organizations is more chic.

But you're absolutely right. It seems like it's shooting fish in a barrel, so to speak. It wouldn't have to be a lot of gunmen, just one per place, in places around the country.

[Dagmar]

33 dead and 15 injured. I seriously doubt all the victims were killed with one bullet each and that he was precise with every shot so just how much ammunition would this lunatic have had?

[Mtbrncofn]

I've been the ratings meter's best friend today because I've watched this thing unfold since this morning.

How incredibly sad that this should have to happen again. I can't imagine what parents of students who go there must be going through. God bless and prayers.

They are saying this is the worst shooting in US history, school or not.

[The MVPlaya]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363


^^^ confirmed description of the guy...

Asian in his 20's...and more.

He let off a round and the students barricaded the door according to this guy.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Unbelievable... I'm ashamed to be a human.

[Popps]

Just horrible. So sorry for the families of all of those involved. I can't even imagine.

[Meck77]

I am really surprised terriorist havent tried this yet. I mean if one guy can kill this many people in a school just think what 15 heavly armed terriorist with a plan could do.This shiat just makes me sick.

I didn't want to hijack the thread with the word terrorism but I was having the same thoughts as you. Since 9-11 we've had thousands of American's killing one another every year but as far as I know we haven't had a single death by a terrorist on US soil in more than 5 years...........Go figure

[NYBronco]

Unbelievable... I'm ashamed to be a human.

I agree...

[Garcia Bronco]

33 dead and 15 injured. I seriously doubt all the victims were killed with one bullet each and that he was precise with every shot so just how much ammunition would this lunatic have had?

I believe the 9mm can hold 17 in one clip...the 22 probably held less assuming those were actually the guns used.

[Mtbrncofn]

I believe the 9mm can hold 17 in one clip...the 22 probably held less assuming those were actually the guns used.

I haven't heard anything about a 22? I heard 2 9mm's were recovered.

[Garcia Bronco]

I haven't heard anything about a 22? I heard 2 9mm's were recovered.

That may be...mixed mode ammo would be more of a challege for the reload.

[Watchthemiddle]

Its time to start passing laws that let teachers, professors, people in the position of trust to start carrying weapons and protect the lives on innocent people. We are coming up on the 8th anniversary of Columbine this Friday and we continue to hear of people going into schools and taking the lives of innocent students, staff, and teachers. When will it stop??

[Hotrod]

That may be...mixed mode ammo would be more of a challege for the reload.

I've heard both stories but Im betting he had extra clips by the dozens.

[cutthemdown]

Its time to start passing laws that let teachers, professors, people in the position of trust to start carrying weapons and protect the lives on innocent people. We are coming up on the 8th anniversary of Columbine this Friday and we continue to hear of people going into schools and taking the lives of innocent students, staff, and teachers. When will it stop??

How about just more trained security that have access to weapons. Teachers are there to teach not wield weapons to fend off madmen. I'm all for more security though in places like colleges, schools, parks, malls, beaches etc, Anywhere large amounts of people congregate we need more security.

[Watchthemiddle]

How about just more trained security that have access to weapons. Teachers are there to teach not wield weapons to fend off madmen. I'm all for more security though in places like colleges, schools, parks, malls, beaches etc, Anywhere large amounts of people congregate we need more security.

THe problem is finding good quality individuals to do the job. I work in law enforcement and believe it or not, there is a shortage of officers ( atleast where I work ) and an even bigger shortage of people willing to be security gaurds. Not too mention the pay for them is not that good, and most people who are security are not allowed or permitted to carry weapons.

All I am saying is if there were just one, two, three teachers or anyone who was armed at Columbine, Bailey, VT.....the list goes on...then maybe this stuff would stop happening.

Just venting a bit.

[The MVPlaya]

After reading about teachers letting students get away with sex in the classroom, and after what I've seen, I don't think it's such a bright idea.

[Northman]

I believe the 9mm can hold 17 in one clip...the 22 probably held less assuming those were actually the guns used.



I heard something similiar. They were saying he could have easily had 7-10 magazines that hold 15 in the clips and 1 in the chamber. Still he would have had to be a excellent shot but then again if people were frightened they might have done what he said in hopes to staying alive.

[Taco John]

Its time to start passing laws that let teachers, professors, people in the position of trust to start carrying weapons and protect the lives on innocent people. We are coming up on the 8th anniversary of Columbine this Friday and we continue to hear of people going into schools and taking the lives of innocent students, staff, and teachers. When will it stop??


I will pull my kid from any classroom where there is a loaded gun in the teacher's desk. Way too many loose variables in that scenario for my comfort.

[gunns]

I will pull my kid from any classroom where there is a loaded gun in the teacher's desk. Way too many loose variables in that scenario for my comfort.


I agree. After the Trolley Square shootings here in February requests for gun permits tripled. Problem with that is you change the scene of places you go, schools, malls, etc., and there is bound to be a gun in the hands of some loose cannon.

[Watchthemiddle]

I will pull my kid from any classroom where there is a loaded gun in the teacher's desk. Way too many loose variables in that scenario for my comfort.

Why does anyone need to know who is the trained teachers and where the gun is??

I could name a few parents that would have trained the teachers themselves if it meant their children were alive today.

Its too bad all the nut jobs and whoever else is paying close attention to our schools, colleges and work force know how WEAK the security and protection is for our loved ones.

Its an easy target because this country puts so much into their youth that if someone wants to "hurt" a society they know where to look.

[smalltowngrll]

The simple answer is holding people responsible for their actions and not making excuses for their choices. Along with that is being responsible for your own actions!

Everyone could come up with some sort of excuse to explain away their actions, but, bottom line, the choice to make that decision was yours...no matter what. Responsibility. Noone seems to teach that any longer, it seems.

[c_lazy_r]

How about just more trained security that have access to weapons. Teachers are there to teach not wield weapons to fend off madmen. I'm all for more security though in places like colleges, schools, parks, malls, beaches etc, Anywhere large amounts of people congregate we need more security.

The problem is that no matter how many security personnel you have working, it's always possible for the psychos to get around it. How difficult would it be to walk into a classroom or around a campus with a backpack full of explosives. The only way it can be done is by taking away your rights by frisking and searching everywhere you go. Personally, I'm not ready for that.

[Northman]

The problem is that no matter how many security personnel you have working, it's always possible for the psychos to get around it. How difficult would it be to walk into a classroom or around a campus with a backpack full of explosives. The only way it can be done is by taking away your rights by frisking and searching everywhere you go. Personally, I'm not ready for that.


Still, more security is still a better answer than handing guns to teachers. But, im not talking about the overweight lazy security guards. And im not talking the $12 dollar an hour security guards. Get some well paid physically fit guards at these schools and then go from there. Even some of these goverment facilities i deliver too i could easily take out the security guards at the gate or at the front desk because they can hardly fit get out of their chair. Its ridiculous.

[Garcia Bronco]

The simple answer is holding people responsible for their actions and not making excuses for their choices. Along with that is being responsible for your own actions!

Everyone could come up with some sort of excuse to explain away their actions, but, bottom line, the choice to make that decision was yours...no matter what. Responsibility. Noone seems to teach that any longer, it seems.

I agree with that...but there still needs to be a mechanism in place for protection. Perhaps it's random dailey patrols...I don't know....but this guy is dead, and even if he was alive...there would be no measure for him to take responsibilty for his actions.

[smalltowngrll]

I agree with that...but there still needs to be a mechanism in place for protection. Perhaps it's random dailey patrols...I don't know....but this guy is dead, and even if he was alive...there would be no measure for him to take responsibilty for his actions.

Yes, I agree. That's pretty much why I mentioned that it was the 'simple' answer. There's so much more to it!

[Watchthemiddle]

I agree with that...but there still needs to be a mechanism in place for protection. Perhaps it's random dailey patrols...I don't know....but this guy is dead, and even if he was alive...there would be no measure for him to take responsibilty for his actions.

Good post!!

As a society we can greive better when there is a suspect who has to stand up and face being judged by their piers and take responsibility. Take OKC bombing. We had someone to put the blame on , convict, and eventually put to death. Columbine, Bailey, VT, you name it the shooters/suspects were either shot by officers or killed themselves. That makes it very hard to get over, move on, and from there the blame shifts from the actual suspect to how law enforcement and those involved responded.

[Garcia Bronco]

There will be no peace in the New River valley tonight...or tomorrow..or anytime soon.

[SoCalBronco]

Just terrible.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The simple answer is holding people responsible for their actions and not making excuses for their choices. Along with that is being responsible for your own actions!

Everyone could come up with some sort of excuse to explain away their actions, but, bottom line, the choice to make that decision was yours...no matter what. Responsibility. Noone seems to teach that any longer, it seems.
So how would teaching accountability and holding people responsible for their actions, which I favor also...stop a suicidal maniac bent on taking his own life along with others? ???

The truth is there is no way to stop this kind of madness.

[Garcia Bronco]

They are saying now that the two incidents might not be related...wow

[RhymesayersDU]

http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/

Apparently, this is the guy's blog.

[Garcia Bronco]

Well....if the blog link is the guy...it would be easy to believe he got into an argument with his girl friend and blew her away..and probably explains why he was carrying a gun...then went home to get more ammo and guns and came back.

[Willynowei]

That may be...mixed mode ammo would be more of a challege for the reload.

The dude probably brought two guns so he could reload one while he holstered the other, that way if anyone tried to stop him while he was reloading, he'd pull the second firearm out for defense.

[Man-Goblin]

http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/

Apparently, this is the guy's blog.

Whoever wrote that thing, it's disturbing. But it would make sense since he talks about trying to work things out with his girlfriend...bleh.

[RhymesayersDU]

Whoever wrote that thing, it's disturbing. But it would make sense since he talks about trying to work things out with his girlfriend...bleh.

I guess there is a digg article confirming it's him, but some people are disputing it (see the comments on that very page) so I'm not sure.

[Florida_Bronco]

I believe the 9mm can hold 17 in one clip...the 22 probably held less assuming those were actually the guns used.

Depends on the make and model of the gun used. A Glock 17/18 can hold 17 rounds standard, same for the Taurus PT-99. Sig Sauer P226/P229 carries 15 rounds. Of course if he had a submachine gun, he could have had up to 50-60 rounds in one magazine.

I'd imagine the 9mm was the gun used to kill most, if not all of the students. The .22 is simply not very powerful and the only way to kill someone is either shoot them alot or hit a vital organ. It's also a small bullet, so it's harder to hit your target.

[Man-Goblin]

I guess there is a digg article confirming it's him, but some people are disputing it (see the comments on that very page) so I'm not sure.

Reading the comments on there...there are some messed up people in this world.

[Dagmar]

He seems pleasant...

[RhymesayersDU]

Reading the comments on there...there are some messed up people in this world.

I can't lie, I would have posted a comment if I still had LJ.

[Garcia Bronco]

I guess there is a digg article confirming it's him, but some people are disputing it (see the comments on that very page) so I'm not sure.

He fits the profile...but who knows. I posted it at CP, but didn't say if it was actually him

[Man-Goblin]

I can't lie, I would have posted a comment if I still had LJ.

I'm talking about the kids on there that seem to have no respect for the tragedy that occured today. Bleh.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Whoever wrote that thing, it's disturbing. But it would make sense since he talks about trying to work things out with his girlfriend...bleh.W Chiang, is that his name? The images there are hosted under that name.

[Garcia Bronco]

He's posted on there since....he's not the guy...he's pandering for site hits

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's posted on there since....he's not the guy...he's pandering for site hitsHe did? The last entry I see was last night.

Ah, it just updated.

[Los Broncos]

Well....if the blog link is the guy...it would be easy to believe he got into an argument with his girl friend and blew her away..and probably explains why he was carrying a gun...then went home to get more ammo and guns and came back.

blew her away? what a ****ing sick mind, everyone knows if your gf pisses you off, go for a frigging walk!

[davidtkd]

How about just more trained security that have access to weapons. Teachers are there to teach not wield weapons to fend off madmen. I'm all for more security though in places like colleges, schools, parks, malls, beaches etc, Anywhere large amounts of people congregate we need more security.

I work at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and I can tell you that this campus is huge (933 acres) and I have no idea how they would lock it down. As far as I am aware, we have no procedure for this type of thing even though the local news just said we did. I can tell you it's been a freaky day on campus. The students just finished a vigil down on campus.

It makes me wonder if I would keep a gun in my office if allowed, but I agree with the others, it would just lead to other issues.

What a disturbing day.

[Tredici]

There is a lot of speculation going on, and of course the impulse to play the blame game. Don't even know how much we are hearing in reports has much credibility or accuracy.

As for why the entire campus wasn't shut down I heard one news station report the initial responding units thought it was an isolated incident similar in nature to a domestic dispute. In other words they thought the shooter had found his target. I'm sure many of those responding are going to be second guessing and kicking themselves for a long time. It is not uncommon for those involved to suffer post traumatic stress.

And while this is going to be terrible for the VaTech community, unlike previous shootings at lower level grade schools, this has the potential to touch communities all over the country.

Just unbelievable.

I heard tonight all elementary schools in Douglas County Colorado are now patrolled by armed security. I don't know if that statement seems incredibly right or incredibly wrong...

[Garcia Bronco]

I work at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and I can tell you that this campus is huge (933 acres) and I have no idea how they would lock it down. As far as I am aware, we have no procedure for this type of thing even though the local news just said we did. I can tell you it's been a freaky day on campus. The students just finished a vigil down on campus.

It makes me wonder if I would keep a gun in my office if allowed, but I agree with the others, it would just lead to other issues.

What a disturbing day.

Virginia Tech is about 2600 acres to put that in perspective

[Sassy]

Our local radio is talking about "copycat" killings and about updating the security at local colleges.

Just awful :(

[TallyBronco]

From The Roanoke Times, January 31, 2006:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Yes, Larry, I'm sure students and their parents feel so much safer now that your abridgement of their constitutional rights have made them less capable of defending themselves against criminals and psychopaths who will get guns onto campus one way or another if they want to. Welcome to the world of liberalism, where the facts never get in the way of a good theory.

[Florida_Bronco]

From The Roanoke Times, January 31, 2006:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Yes, Larry, I'm sure students and their parents feel so much safer now that your abridgement of their constitutional rights have made them less capable of defending themselves against criminals and psychopaths who will get guns onto campus one way or another if they want to. Welcome to the world of liberalism, where the facts never get in the way of a good theory.

Hopefully this tragic event will make people see that we need to focus on putting firearms in the hands of law abiding citzens.

[Garcia Bronco]

Honestly though...if you wanted to carry a gun for protection you'd be able to and no one would ever know if you did it properly on campus.

[Watchthemiddle]

From The Roanoke Times, January 31, 2006:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Yes, Larry, I'm sure students and their parents feel so much safer now that your abridgement of their constitutional rights have made them less capable of defending themselves against criminals and psychopaths who will get guns onto campus one way or another if they want to. Welcome to the world of liberalism, where the facts never get in the way of a good theory.

Congratulations Larry!!! :hitself:

[Florida_Bronco]

Honestly though...if you wanted to carry a gun for protection you'd be able to and no one would ever know if you did it properly on campus.

This is true, but you know how the saying goes.

"If you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have them"

[Florida_Bronco]

Congratulations Larry!!! :hitself:

Something tells me he might reconsider his stance after this. People should see that "Gun free zone" just equals a "free fire zone"

[Meck77]

You know I spent a few minutes researching the overall murder rates and all studies I found indicate that the murder rate has actually been on the decline as a percentage of the US population. Still doesn't diminish what happened today but not sure if I want 6th grade teachers packing heat in classrooms as someone suggested.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Garcia Bronco]

This is true, but you know how the saying goes.

"If you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have them"

Bascially you'd have your gun in a case inside a bag in a pocket that you never open or put anything else in it. But you wouldn't be able to keep it on your person

[Dagmar]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-students0416,0,803874.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

'I don't think my teacher got out'
Engineering student says lecture turned to frantic rush to flee gunshots

In Monday morning's lecture on solid mechanics, all was quiet except for the sound of Professor Liviu Librescu's voice.

Then came the gunshots -- in the classroom next door. In an instant, Virginia Tech's Norris Hall, a building dedicated to the science of engineering, was torn apart by the worst shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

Junior Richard Mallalieu said he and about 20 classmates instantly dropped to the floor, ducking under and behind desks for what sounded like the first 10 shots.

"It wasn't like an automatic weapon, but it was a steady 'pow,' 'pow,' 'pow,' 'pow,' " Mallalieu, 23, said in a phone interview with The Sun. "We didn't know what to do at first." Then the sound of the gunshots shifted. Coming closer.

Their next move became instantly clear: Get out.

Mallalieu said his professor held the door shut while students darted to the windows. Some climbed on desks, ledges and a radiator cover to pull down the screens and kick at the metal-framed glass, Mallalieu said. Three windows easily gave way and swung open on hinges as the gunshots got louder.

Closer.

"It sounded like he was going out into the hallway," said Mallalieu, a civil engineering major from Luray, Va.

Once the windows for the second-floor classroom were open, Mallalieu and most of his classmates hung out of them and dropped about 10 feet to bushes and grass below, he said.

Some students ran to a nearby building. Others waited to help students who had been injured in the fall, Mallalieu said.

But then the sound of gunfire filled their classroom, sending all who had escaped toward nearby Patton Hall, he said.

Mallalieu said he never saw Librescu escape. "I don't think my teacher got out."

Librescu, a professor of engineering science and mechanics who was educated in Romania and is a U.S. citizen, could not be reached Monday. As of 4 p.m., his wife had not been able to find him either.

"I am looking also. I know that he was shot, but I cannot find him," she said, panicked, in a phone interview. "How is it possible that a wife cannot know?"

She hung up before she could clearly state her full name.

Two hours earlier

All morning, news of the tragedy spread through e-mails, instant messages and phone calls. And though the mass killing in Norris Hall unfolded in mid- morning, the first shots had rung out about two hours earlier.

David Kramar, a 32-year-old graduate student, was working in his office at Major Williams Hall when the shootings started. He received an e-mail from campus officials that warned of shootings across campus at the West Ambler Johnston dorm and told students and faculty members to remain indoors.

Students began streaming into his building. "I had a couple of undergrads I teach who came in crying," he said. "People were terrified." Soon, he heard shots from the direction of Norris Hall, which is nearby. "It was distinct gunshots. I don't know if it was police or the shooter himself."

About two hours later, when police allowed students and the faculty to leave their buildings, he went to a Blacksburg bar called the Rivermill for a beer to calm his nerves. From a phone there, he said, "Right now everything is on lockdown, the streets are empty. This stuff doesn't really happen in Blacksburg."

E-mail warnings

Freshman Katherine Runge, 18, of Towson lives in the huge Ambler Johnston dorm, which holds nearly 900 students. But her room is far from the location of the shootings, so she didn't hear anything Monday morning.

In fact, about 8 a.m. -- shortly after the shootings started -- she left the dorm and went to breakfast at a nearby dining hall. After she returned to the dorm, a friend called, asking if she'd been told to stay in her room.

"I just thought she was joking around, trying to scare me," the Towson High grad said. She realized the danger was real when she received an e-mail at 9:26 a.m. from school officials warning that a shooting had occurred on the west side of the dorm.

"The university community is urged to be cautious and are asked to contact Virginia Tech Police if you observe anything suspicious or with information on the case," the e-mail read. At 9:50, she received another, more ominous, message. It read: "A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows."

As police cars and ambulances rushed to the dorm, she called her parents to say she was unharmed.

"Everyone was scared," she said. "Cops were running around outside with huge rifles."

'We were in shock'

Freshman Claire Hach, a graduate of Notre Dame Prep in Towson, was about to leave her class in Wallace Hall when a school official grabbed her and told her to immediately head to a computer lab in the basement. It was then she saw the computer printouts taped to the door.

The 19-year-old business management major and another student calmly walked to the computer lab. They still did not know what was happening at Norris Hall.

No one knew what the signs meant, she said. They had heard about a dorm shooting, "but we thought it was a freak accident," said Hach, whose sister Ashley is a junior at Virginia Tech.

"In the beginning we weren't taking it seriously," she said. But then the news Web sites relayed what was happening. "As we kept hearing that people were killed we were in shock."

Police on the scene

Brett Mastropieri, 23, a senior mechanical engineering major from Monkton, was in class in McBryde Hall, near Norris Hall, at the time of the shooting. He said a distant booming caught the attention of people in class, but many thought it was construction.

"Toward the end of class a bunch of students got the e-mails and text messages [about the shootings]," said the graduate of Loyola Blakefield High School.

As they left the building, they were told to get away from the buildings. "We watched the police as they surrounded the buildings," he said. "We didn't hear any shooting after that."

doug.donovan@baltsun.com

Sun reporters Chris Emery, Brent Jones and Gadi Dechter >contributed to this article.

[Florida_Bronco]

Bascially you'd have your gun in a case inside a bag in a pocket that you never open or put anything else in it. But you wouldn't be able to keep it on your person

That'd be pretty much useless.

[Garcia Bronco]

That'd be pretty much useless.

depends.....but mostly useless

[Florida_Bronco]

depends.....but mostly useless

Agreed.

[Dagmar]

Depicts 29,569 handguns, equal to the number of gun-related deaths in the US in 2004.
http://www.chrisjordan.com/images/current2/1174090665.jpg

[Spider]

I dont want to get into the political aspect of this , or the debate about Guns right now , all I can say is I am shocked ........Nothing would have prevented this , this ásswipe went went completely Batshít , the sorry bastard should have just taken himself out .............Just be thankful the sun will rise for us and we have 1 more day to cherish the ones we love ........

[TallyBronco]

Yes, this could have been prevented. One student or faculty member with a concealed carry permit could have ended this before the gunman did. Law-abiding citizens with guns can and often do stop criminals before they kill. These scum truly fear the armed citizen with target training.

It is no coincidence that this perp chose the campus to commit this atrocity. He chose a place where people aren't allowed to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. He recognized weakness when he saw it.

If this guy had tried the same thing at the rodeo, how long do you think he would have lasted before a few dozen bullets were in his skull?

[Northman]

Yes, this could have been prevented. One student or faculty member with a concealed carry permit could have ended this before the gunman did. Law-abiding citizens with guns can and often do stop criminals before they kill. These scum truly fear the armed citizen with target training.

It is no coincidence that this perp chose the campus to commit this atrocity. He chose a place where people aren't allowed to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. He recognized weakness when he saw it.

If this guy had tried the same thing at the rodeo, how long do you think he would have lasted before a few dozen bullets were in his skull?



Your naive. What if this guy had explosives as well? What about poisonous gas? Your teachers with guns wouldnt have done much. Your idea to put more weapons into more hands is not the answer to this kind of problem. This isnt the wild west and it shouldnt be. All it would take is one teacher to hit the wrong person and then we would have a new problem on our hands.

[watermock]

Your naive. What if this guy had explosives as well? What about poisonous gas? Your teachers with guns wouldnt have done much. Your idea to put more weapons into more hands is not the answer to this kind of problem. This isnt the wild west and it shouldnt be. All it would take is one teacher to hit the wrong person and then we would have a new problem on our hands.

Who are you? Waffle Willy? Could of, what if, might. Nice suppositions that is full of assumptions and speculation. Wild west? WTF is that comment about? It's not about putting guns in Jesse and Frank James. You agenda is pretty transparent.

While it's more of a question of when, not if, Al Queda sets off some explosives or tries something even more henious, your stance is pretty well understood. It's problematic I agree. There are no easy answers including knee jerk reaction either way.

Usually it's just rambunctious football players getting into scrapes with the law, not a madman on the loose.

How many times do you hear..."Noone could imagine this would happen here..." Blacksburg isn't exactly inner city Detroit for just one example. This crap could hit Iowa City, Colorado U. which is a sprawling campus...basically anywhere.

There was a drug related murder here about 8 years ago and the perp escaped to Mexico. He made the mistake of crossing the border and coming back and was finally caught last year. Damn shame, he ran a great mexican resteraunt/drug front. Comedy? No, fact, yes.

Other than that, people don't even lock their cars here if they aren't primo. I'm rambling but it's not fun when you wake up and Fox is going over it. I had to change it to MIKE and mikey. I allready had my cry when I woke up. Such a helpless feeling I guess.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes, this could have been prevented. One student or faculty member with a concealed carry permit could have ended this before the gunman did. Law-abiding citizens with guns can and often do stop criminals before they kill. These scum truly fear the armed citizen with target training.

It is no coincidence that this perp chose the campus to commit this atrocity. He chose a place where people aren't allowed to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. He recognized weakness when he saw it.

If this guy had tried the same thing at the rodeo, how long do you think he would have lasted before a few dozen bullets were in his skull?I would NEVER send my children to an educational institution where students and instructors were carrying firearms! INSANITY! People who think like this are nuts!

There has to be TRAINED security personnel on site at our schools, that is one of the answers.


Another is locking down (securing) all buildings immediately when there is a shooting at ANY school. The police and Va Tech have much explaining to do.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Questions remain after worst U.S. shooting rampage (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070417/ts_nm/usa_crime_shooting_dc_21)
By Patricia Zengerle and Andrea Hopkins

BLACKSBURG, Virginia (Reuters) - Police and university authorities faced pressure on Tuesday to explain how a gunman apparently evaded detection after killing two people and then went on to kill 30 others two hours later in America's worst shooting rampage.

The man, whom police have not identified, killed himself in a classroom at Virginia Tech university after opening fire on students and staff during class in an apparently premeditated massacre on Monday morning.

Police said he appeared to have used chains to lock the doors and prevent terrified victims from escaping the building. Fifteen people were wounded, including those shot and students hurt jumping from windows in a desperate attempt to flee the gunfire.

Many students expressed anger that they were not warned of any danger until more than two hours after the first attack at a dormitory, and then only in an e-mail from the university.

"We knew that there was a shooting but we thought it was confined to a particular setting," university president Charles Steger told reporters, explaining the lack of more urgent measures such as evacuating the sprawling grounds or shutting down the whole campus, which has more than 25,000 students.

Although they said earlier there appeared to be only one gunman, police declined to confirm the two incidents were linked and said there was a male "person of interest" connected with the initial dormitory shooting of a male and female student. That person was not in custody.

Asked whether police had initially pursued and questioned the wrong man, campus police chief Wendell Flinchum declined to comment. "I'm not saying there's a gunman on the loose," he said.

The first shooting was reported to campus police at about 7:15 a.m. (1115 GMT) in West Ambler Johnston Hall, a dormitory housing some 900 students. It was followed two hours later by more gunfire a half-mile away at Norris Hall, site of the science and engineering school.

Witnesses said the killer was a black-clad Asian male, about 6 feet tall, who went wordlessly from room to room calmly shooting students and staff with at least one handgun.

"There were multiple gunshot wounds in all the victims, even the least injured had multiple gunshot wounds, this guy was just, he was out to kill everyone he came in contact with, not just to shoot the gun, he was out to kill them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo, an emergency room physician who treated the wounded.

Authorities haven't released the names of the victims, but Israeli media reported that one of the dead was Liviu Librescu, an Israeli citizen and professor of engineering at the university.

Librescu's son told Israeli Army radio that his father tried to block his classroom door against the gunman and urged his students to flee.
CONT.

[Spider]

Yes, this could have been prevented. One student or faculty member with a concealed carry permit could have ended this before the gunman did. Law-abiding citizens with guns can and often do stop criminals before they kill. These scum truly fear the armed citizen with target training.

It is no coincidence that this perp chose the campus to commit this atrocity. He chose a place where people aren't allowed to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms. He recognized weakness when he saw it.

If this guy had tried the same thing at the rodeo, how long do you think he would have lasted before a few dozen bullets were in his skull?
you are full of shít ........ìf anything you could argue the # of people shot , but you cant say this would have been prevented ............

[TDmvp]

Va. Tech president: gunman was student


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[eddie mac]

They reckon 200 million privately owned weapons in the US that's attrocious. Your government needs to address that issue before these incidents become more frequent. In the UK most police forces aren't even armed. The only reason cops are armed in Northern Ireland is because they were a target for the IRA for years.

[Florida_Bronco]

I would NEVER send my children to an educational institution where students and instructors were carrying firearms! INSANITY! People who think like this are nuts!

There has to be TRAINED security personnel on site at our schools, that is one of the answers.

Another is locking down (securing) all buildings immediately when there is a shooting at ANY school. The police and Va Tech have much explaining to do.

I don't know Slug, we're not talking about middle of high schoolers here. I know there are arguments against it, but the way I look at it is that keeping these gun free zones is counter productive.

I figure hey, if you are a student who can legally obtain a CWP, we need to at least seriously consider allowing these students to carry. We're both firearm owners, and we know what having a CWP is all about, so we could probably find more arguments for than against it.

[Florida_Bronco]

They reckon 200 million privately owned weapons in the US that's attrocious. Your government needs to address that issue before these incidents become more frequent. In the UK most police forces aren't even armed. The only reason cops are armed in Northern Ireland is because they were a target for the IRA for years.

Not a damn thing that can be done about it. One, we have a constitutional right to own firearms and second, no possible way to remove firearms from those who aren't supposed to have them.

Personally, I think this case can only damage the anti-gun cause.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't know Slug, we're not talking about middle of high schoolers here. I know there are arguments against it, but the way I look at it is that keeping these gun free zones is counter productive.

I figure hey, if you are a student who can legally obtain a CWP, we need to at least seriously consider allowing these students to carry. We're both firearm owners, and we know what having a CWP is all about, so we could probably find more arguments for than against it.Are you saying that you consider a 6 hour course on concealed weapons as "training" for students and instructors to protect everyone else?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not a damn thing that can be done about it. One, we have a constitutional right to own firearms and second, no possible way to remove firearms from those who aren't supposed to have them.

Personally, I think this case can only damage the anti-gun cause.But there are ways to prevent some people from getting them if we actually took it seriously. The way we hand out handguns now is a joke. And I'm a handgun owner.


This individual used a Walther 22 and a 9mm Glock to inflict all his carnage. Anyone who thinks a 22 won't kill a person doesn't understand ballistics.

[Florida_Bronco]

Are you saying that you consider a 6 hour course on concealed weapons as "training" for students and instructors to protect everyone else?

While I agree that everyone should take more training/practice than the minimum, we trust God knows how many Americans everyday with CWP and they use those permits for self defense about 2 million times a year while less than 1% commit firearm related crimes.

You know me, I'm all for putting firearms in the good guy's hands while taking them out of the bad guy's hands.

[Florida_Bronco]

But there are ways to prevent some people from getting them if we actually took it seriously. The way we hand out handguns now is a joke. And I'm a handgun owner.

I'm all for doing everything possible to keep guns out of criminals hands.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm all for doing everything possible to keep guns out of criminals hands.Virginia = 2nd easiest state in the country to buy a handgun. I don't know if that's relevant or not right now but almost all states hand out handguns like candy.

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Mike Males is a senior policy analyst at the Justice Policy Institute and the foremost researcher of youth violence in America. He says different:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/chap-3.htm

He's a ****ing douchebag pissing away grant money while children die. No wonder you respect him.