Panthers want 1st rounder for Jenkins

[HEAV]

The Panthers are reportedly "believed to be seeking at least" a first-round pick in exchange for three-time Pro Bowl DT Kris Jenkins.

Jenkins is only 27 but has a history of drinking and weight problems. It would be a surprise if Carolina gets even a second-round pick for him.
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Ummmmm pass.................

[Triplelefthook]

i would give a 2nd rounder

[Man-Goblin]

Jenkins is only 27 but has a history of drinking and weight problems.

Drinking problems?

[Los Broncos]

Pass

[cmhargrove]

Use 3a for Jenkins, or use it to trade up for Branch.

First rounder? Gimme a break...

I would be just as happy using 3a to trade up to the top of round 2.
First round Anderson, Carriker, Johnson or Moss.
Second round Harrell.
Third rounder on safety or LB.

[Barry Ramey]

I'd give the top 3rd rounder the Broncos have, but that's the best I'd give for him.

[watermock]

Sounds like a job for King Karl, not Shanny/Sunny.

IMO, noone is going to give them anything close to that. Injuries, check, overweight, check, drinking problem, check.

If they loved him so much he wouldn't be on the meat market or we would of allready gotten him.

[Traveler]

Just as the Packers wanted a 1st rounder for Walker last year, Carolina will certainly come down the closer we get to the draft. I still think Jenkins could be acquired for one of our 3rd rounders.

My wish would be to land Jenkins for a draft choice(s) next year. Then somehow land the following players after trading down.

1. Anthony Spencer
2a. Joe Staley
2b. David Harris
3a. John Wendling
3b. Tony Hunt

[watermock]

If we were to give up a second in 08, it would have to be conditional. A future pick is inherently less value obviously.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=HEAV;1552372]The Panthers are reportedly "believed to be seeking at least" a first-round pick in exchange for three-time Pro Bowl DT Kris Jenkins.

QUOTE]

And I am seeking a winning Power Ball ticket

[shaun514]

I think he's worth a conditional 1st.

[Paladin]

I think he's worth a conditional 1st.

I do not think so. But then, that's why neither of us are NFL GMs.

[wolf754life]

Not even close, why? because of injury concern, nothing more, nothing less.

Denver should offer thier second rounder. Its a high price but they have a huge need. Its ok to overpay with a 2nd, and still have 3 first day picks and jenkins would be a huge coup!

[Paladin]

Or, he could be IHOP reincarnated......

[chanesaw]

Good luck to the Panthers on their quest for a 1st.

[chrisp]

I think we need to face reality. It looks like we are going to have to content ourselves with what we have on the D-line for now, becuase any DT picked from the 2nd half of the first round downwards will probably be a developmental prospect who won't see much playing time this year. Every time the prospect of a trade or a free agent comes up it seems to either disappear just as fast or come with a whole bunch of strings attached.

The only hope of an immediate impact on the line is a smaller rush end who could contribute on 3rd down - butwe already have Elvis doing that.....

I still say D-line in the first is the way to go but I won't be shocked if whoever we pick takes a year or two to step into the limelight...

[Atlas]

I'd give a 2nd and a 2008 4th.

[Crushaholic]

If the Panthers are serious about moving him, they'll come down in price. I wouldn't worry about it...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How much of a drinking problem does he have? I mean what's his history?

[broncs2bowl]

I think we need to face reality. It looks like we are going to have to content ourselves with what we have on the D-line for now, becuase any DT picked from the 2nd half of the first round downwards will probably be a developmental prospect who won't see much playing time this year. Every time the prospect of a trade or a free agent comes up it seems to either disappear just as fast or come with a whole bunch of strings attached.

The only hope of an immediate impact on the line is a smaller rush end who could contribute on 3rd down - butwe already have Elvis doing that.....

I still say D-line in the first is the way to go but I won't be shocked if whoever we pick takes a year or two to step into the limelight...

Trust me Bates can turn a rookie into a starting rushing beast...that is why we hired Bates

[Requiem]

Just as an intelligent poster mentioned before, this was the asking price for Javon. I think as the draft approaches, a second-rounder - such as our #56 would be good enough to acquire his services.

[Paladin]

To be frank (and who wouldn't want to be frank?) I believe that the Broncos can get a DE, a DT, a S and a LB in this draft. What level they may be, gawd only knows, but the coaches would make all the difference in the world.

[Crushaholic]

This is the best answer I can find for Beerslug about Jenkins' alcohol problems. This a blurb dated July 18, 2006. You have to scroll down a bit to get to the defensive players and Kris Jenkins.

http://www.kffl.com/article.php/51546/

Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports Carolina Panthers DT Kris Jenkins (knee) returned to the practice field last month and is expected to be in the lineup by Week 1. He also hopes to be at his listed weight of 335 pounds. Jenkins has been limited to five games in the past two years with knee and shoulder injuries. More than that, he has opened up this year about his battles with alcoholism and depression during those lost seasons. Jenkins worked harder in his rehab and stayed closer with the team as they reached the NFC Championship Game. He said he has limited his drinking.

[Requiem]

Paladin the two gap DT's in this draft suck bawwwwwwwwwwwls.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This is a blurb dated July 18, 2006. You have to scroll down a bit to get to the defensive players and Kris Jenkins.

http://www.kffl.com/article.php/51546/
So he says he has controlled his drinking now. And he was all-pro last year. I imagine they will get at least a 2nd for him.


Ah, found this, it was Sapp's fault....

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Panther's hatred of Sapp led to downturn (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8077502/)
Updated: 6:42 p.m. CT June 22, 2005

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Sidelined with a shoulder injury most of last season, Kris Jenkins struggled to find something to fill his days. He tried video games, watching movies, and playing with his young son.

But without a strict schedule to follow, and unable to work out while he recovered from surgery, Carolina’s defensive tackle, an All-Pro in 2003, fell into a downward spiral.


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/ap/nccb10106021858.widec.jpg
Chuck Burton / AP
Carolina's Kris Jenkins runs through drills on Thursday. Sidelined from football most of last season, Jenkins struggled to find something to fill his days. Drinking became his temporary solution.


The low point came after the Panthers’ Nov. 7 loss to the Oakland Raiders, when Jenkins was forced to watch Warren Sapp, a player he dislikes intensely, celebrate on Carolina’s field. Jenkins turned to drinking while injured for entire season to get him through the long, lonely days.

“When we played Oakland and we lost to Sapp, I stopped going to the games then,” Jenkins said Thursday. “I was going to the games up to that point. I couldn’t go to the games anymore. After that, that’s when ... I’ve never been an alcoholic, but I upped my consistency of it.

“It was something where I did a lot more sitting around the house, and I would come in and get treatment, and that was it. I wouldn’t do anything. If I had my son, I’d take care of him but if I didn’t, I wouldn’t do anything.”

As hard as it is to believe that one rival player could send Jenkins into such a funk, he said that all his problems escalated after that game.

“I hate him. Everybody says I’m supposed to be polite when I talk to you all, but I hate him,” Jenkins said. “He talks too much, he doesn’t make sense, he’s fat, he’s sloppy, he acts like he’s the best thing since sliced bread. He’s ugly, he stinks, his mouth stinks, his breath stinks, and basically his soul stinks, too.

CONT.

[Triplelefthook]

Just as an intelligent poster mentioned before, this was the asking price for Javon. I think as the draft approaches, a second-rounder - such as our #56 would be good enough to acquire his services.

Exactly

[HEAV]

How much of a drinking problem does he have? I mean what's his history?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Sidelined with a shoulder injury most of last season, Kris Jenkins struggled to find something to fill his days. He tried video games, watching movies, and playing with his young son.



Jenkins
But without a strict schedule to follow, and unable to work out while he recovered from surgery, the Carolina Panthers' defensive tackle, an All-Pro in 2003, fell into a downward spiral.

The low point came after the Panthers' Nov. 7 loss to the Oakland Raiders, when Jenkins was forced to watch Warren Sapp, a player he dislikes intensely, celebrate on Carolina's field.

Jenkins turned to drinking to get him through the long, lonely days.

"When we played Oakland and we lost to Sapp, I stopped going to the games then," Jenkins said Thursday. "I was going to the games up to that point. I couldn't go to the games anymore. After that, that's when ... I've never been an alcoholic, but I upped my consistency of it.

"It was something where I did a lot more sitting around the house, and I would come in and get treatment, and that was it. I wouldn't do anything. If I had my son, I'd take care of him but if I didn't, I wouldn't do anything."

As hard as it is to believe that one rival player could send Jenkins into such a funk, he said that all his problems escalated after that game.

"I hate him. Everybody says I'm supposed to be polite when I talk to you all, but I hate him," Jenkins said. "He talks too much, he doesn't make sense, he's fat, he's sloppy, he acts like he's the best thing since sliced bread. He's ugly, he stinks, his mouth stinks, his breath stinks, and basically his soul stinks, too.

"Not too many people have personalities like that and survive in life. I don't know how he does it."

Messages left with the Raiders were not immediately returned.

"Not to speak for Warren, but I wouldn't even waste his time bringing this to his attention," said Drew Rosenhaus, Sapp's agent.

For the first three years of Jenkins' career, his rivalry with Sapp helped turn him into one of the NFL's most dominating defensive tackles. He was the anchor of Carolina's defense, one of the most vaunted in the league.

But when he injured his right shoulder in the second week last season, Jenkins felt helpless watching the Panthers fall to 1-7 after getting to the Super Bowl the previous season.

His drinking continued into the offseason. Once the buzz wore off, he realized he needed to address his problems.

"I got tired of the drinking because that wasn't helping," he said. "After I didn't have anything to help take my focus off it, I had to deal with myself, and come to understand some things and face my demons.

"I was like 'I'm going to be all right.' It didn't take a lot, it took one time and it just clicked. I've been cool ever since."

Panthers coach John Fox said it's not unusual for a player to struggle emotionally when he's injured and unable to participate in the day-to-day team operations.

"For these guys, it's human nature. You don't know what you have until it's gone," Fox said. "When you get injured, it's a hard time for a player. It doesn't matter who you are. It's something you've been doing all your life, and all of a sudden when it's taken away from you, it can make you sit back and reassess things."

Jenkins is now back on the field, working to get back into shape. His strength is close to being back, too -- he said he's about five pounds away from reaching his maximum bench press weight of 525 pounds.

But he estimates that he weighs about 355 pounds, about 20 pounds heavier than the Panthers want him to be. Neither Jenkins nor Fox is concerned.

"They all have weights to hit, and we're not there yet. But he's not the only one," Fox said. "He's made it every year that we've given him his weight, and we don't anticipate that changing ... 20 pounds to him is like five pounds to you."

Jenkins is confident he'll make weight by the time training camp opens next month. Physically, he thinks he's close to midseason form. Emotionally and mentally, he says he's ready to go.

"Getting hurt was the best thing that ever happened to me," he said. "I understood what it meant not to play football. When it was taken away from me, I went through so much, some good, some bad, but I learned how to deal with myself.

"I understood that I love football, it's a big part of my life, but it's not my life. It's not something that runs me or dictates what I do."

Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press

[BroncoBuff]

He hates Warren Sapp ... that's good enough for me, send 'em a #2.

[ScottXray]

I think that at least our second and maybe more (conditional pick next year) are going to be required. And I think we NEED Jenkins this year. If he has issues then we have a chance to evaluate him and nix the trade. Hopefully the deal can get done this week, so we can get the evaluation done before the draft. Because waiting till the draft might be the worst possible

As far as whether he is worth a first.....especially our 21 pick.
This guy would anchor the middle of the line, he is an experienced NFL pro-bowl level player, and has another 3 years to go on his contract,(which is only in the 3.5 million a year range). He will be an immediate IMPACT player on our D-line, and is good both on run and pass plays. Consistently takes on and beats double teams. Fits Bates scheme to a T. Would allow us to concentrate on an edge rusher instead of needing to move up and spend almost all our picks to get an impact player. He will make everyone else on the d-line better because he has to be accounted for.

Is that worth a first...especially a high (21) pick? Hell yes! Make it so Shanny.:spit:

[-Slap-]

He hates Warren Sapp ... that's good enough for me, send 'em a #2.

For real. We know he'll play hard at least twice a year.

[cutthemdown]

Panthers are smoking some good stuff if they think they will get a first round pick. First round picks are only traded when the player you will recieve is a sure fire great player. When a great player like Jenkins has some injury issues and a lbs problem you have to devalue the trade value down. I'd low second round pick is as much as he could possibly be worth. More then likely only a 3rd rounder.

[BroncoBuff]

"Not to speak for Warren, but I wouldn't even waste his time bringing this to his attention," said Drew Rosenhaus, Sapp's agent.

WOW! Jenkins hates Sapp ... and Rosenhaus hates Jenkins. That's the Daily Double. What are we waiting for?

He sounds sober and reflective, even intelligent. Ad he's nowhere near the rumored 400 ... 355 is not that bad really, he looks good in the photo. This would be manna from "trade heaven" ... a young, proven, motivated All-Pro talent at a position of great need ... for a late second-rounder. What's not to like?

[Atlas]

Drinking problems?

That's even better. Denver can pay him in whiskey shots!

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'd give up a second for him for sure. Sure, theres an injury risk, but hes one of the most dominant D-tackles in the game when healthy and he's only 27. I'd do it

[BroncoBuff]

Maybe I'm getin ahead of myself .... but maybe we trade for Jenkins and Big Daddy shows up as a street free agent (below) ...

Then it's:
Warren ~ Jenkins
Wilkinson ~ Veal

From the weakest position on the roster to one of the best.


http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9449/20851733jq0.jpg

[chaz]

He hates Warren Sapp ... that's good enough for me, send 'em a #2.

^5:rofl:

[broncs2bowl]

Hmmm if Jenkins comes here he can get back at Warren Sapp twice a year by trumping the Raiders. I hope he considers this and comes here!!!!!!!

[U GOT JACKED UP]

I would only give up our high 3rd.

[maven]

2nd day selection at best for Jenkins. Denver can acquire possibly 4 brand new starters with our 1st day picks.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Told ya so...we've been all through this already.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1543587&highlight=scott+fowler#post1543587

(and they don't have to trade him unless they get their price)

[Kaylore]

The most I'd give for him is our high third.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

55 is not that bad really, he looks good in the photo.

That photo is really old. Look at this sloppy bitch:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3238/73303767xf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stay away. Buyer beware!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Do it.

The best DT in the NFL is worth a #1.

A #2 pick is a no-brainer.

[BroncoBuff]

That photo is really old. Look at this sloppy b****:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3238/73303767xf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stay away. Buyer beware!

Jeez Beerslug, Clayton is right. That article is from June 2005...

[Atlas]

Jeez Beerslug, Clayton is right. That article is from June 2005...


Yeah, those PRO BOWL uniforms tend to make everyone look sloppy.

So he is fat, try to push him out of the way.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah, those PRO BOWL uniforms tend to make everyone look sloppy.

So he is fat, try to push him out of the way.

Man, seriously. Look at a picture of him from 2003:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4200/72866101av2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

He looks relatively in shape there, at least for a defensive tackle. He just looks like the second coming of Gilbert Brown nowadays:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Clockwork Orange]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg

I'd happily give up a couple of 1st rounders for the svelt gentleman on the left.

[Xenos]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg

I'd happily give up a couple of 1st rounders for the svelt gentleman on the left.

I give up a first rounder for the guy in the center and the girl on the left.

[WABronco]

Postering.

Still, I don't like the idea of giving up a 2nd rounder for him either. He's really dropped off recently, and while he'd be an upgrade, so would Alan Branch.

[SureShot]

Postering.

Still, I don't like the idea of giving up a 2nd rounder for him either. He's really dropped off recently, and while he'd be an upgrade, so would Alan Branch.

You wouldn't give a 2nd for a pro bowler, but you would give a 1st and more for an unproven Branch?

I would give up a 2nd.

[SureShot]

Also he doesn't look any fatter than Ruben Brown(74 in the picture). Since when is being fat a negative for a DT? Isn't that what we all want? A fat monster with something to prove?

Sign me up.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Also he doesn't look any fatter than Ruben Brown(74 in the picture). Since when is being fat a negative for a DT? Isn't that what we all want? A fat monster with something to prove?

Sign me up.

Ruben brown has a gut. So does Derrick Johnson.

There's a difference between having a gut and being a total tub of lard.

[broncs2bowl]

Whats so bad if he is fatter...he is still good, maybe not as good but still top 5 to top 10 as far as DTs go. He is a dominant presence and all the better he is bigger with Bates as our new D-Coordinator

[Br0nc0Buster]

In my opinion guys like Kris Jenkins are very rare. There are only so many athletic 340 lb's out there and if we have the oppurtunity to get one we should pull the trigger. If healthy, Jenkins has the ability to control the line of scrimmage, or at least he did in 03 and for the most part in 06. If he can be had for our 3a then i would love that trade. I would even do it for our 2nd if our 3rd is no dice.

[elsid13]

Ruben brown has a gut. So does Derrick Johnson.

There's a difference between having a gut and being a total tub of lard.

Trust him, Bobo knows about being a total tub of lard

[broncs2bowl]

just wonderin would any of you do it for our 2nd AND our 3b(#86) straight up for Jenkins(maybe they could add in a 4th or 5th to us)

[Br0nc0Buster]

Well the Kansas City Chiefs just signed James Reed. I know this doesn't seem very significant, but could it be a sign that they have dropped out of the Jenkins sweepstakes? I was just reading some info on a Chief's message board and some of them talked like Carl might not go after Jenkins now that Reed has been signed. Hopefully that is the case but you never really know until the draft how these things play out.

[watermock]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg

"Insert Don Ho."

[epicSocialism4tw]

You wouldn't give a 2nd for a pro bowler, but you would give a 1st and more for an unproven Branch?

I would give up a 2nd.

You've captured the essence of the thing, sureshot.

Why hang on to a 2nd round pick when you can spend it on what you would hope the second rounder might turn into eventually somewhere down the road? Jenkins is there now. Pull the trigger.

Jenkins is only 27. He's got some years left. DT's last in the NFL. Denver could get 5 good years out of him from this point forward.

Get a scrub MLB and trade for Jenkins.

[Atlas]

Postering.

Still, I don't like the idea of giving up a 2nd rounder for him either. He's really dropped off recently, and while he'd be an upgrade, so would Alan Branch.


You'll at least have to give up a 1st and a 2nd and probably more to get Branch.

[azbroncfan]

Keep him for that price.

[azbroncfan]

Ruben brown has a gut. So does Derrick Johnson.

There's a difference between having a gut and being a total tub of lard.

Don't argue with bob on this one he knows how a tub of lard effects a human.

[broncolife]

I wouldnt like to give our second but I am willing if it helps fixing our line. He would be a immediate help instead of waiting for our second round pick to develop and he is still young. But Id rather just give a third or both thirds.

[Pendejo]

Don't argue with bob on this one he knows how a tub of lard effects a human.

Hah! Yeah...baloney t!ts knows a thing or two about having a fat gut.

[cmhargrove]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg

"Insert Don Ho."

What will it cost for the whole bunch? But....we'll have to figure out what to do with the women...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hah! Yeah...baloney t!ts knows a thing or two about having a fat gut.

Ho ho, guys! Bob is fat! High five, anyone?

[WABronco]

You'll at least have to give up a 1st and a 2nd and probably more to get Branch.

Branch is a better investment, to me.

[watermock]

You dimwit, we haven't signed anyone including the women or the midget.

Fatso will garner a third at best.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Branch is a better investment, to me.

Branch is an unknown quantity.

Jenkins is coming off of a pro bowl season.

Jenkins would immediately become one of the best DT's in Denver Bronco history. I cant say the same for Branch, or any rook for that matter.

Jenkins is exactly what we need.

If we were willing to trade a first rounder to trade up for Cutler, we should be willing to trade for a franchise DT. Jenkins would immediately upgrade the defense to championship-quality.

[WABronco]

Branch is an unknown quantity.

Jenkins is coming off of a pro bowl season.

Jenkins would immediately become one of the best DT's in Denver Bronco history. I cant say the same for Branch, or any rook for that matter.

Jenkins is exactly what we need.

If we were willing to trade a first rounder to trade up for Cutler, we should be willing to trade for a franchise DT. Jenkins would immediately upgrade the defense to championship-quality.

Okay.

Branch is a better investment, to me.

[chaz]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6889/73533854ak1.jpg

"Insert Don Ho."

i'll take the guy on the left please

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah, lets trade away some more picks. We already have virtually nothing on Day 2. Lets start doing the same on Day 1. Hopefully, in the next two weeks, we'll get rid of every single pick we have so that we will be able to sit there and watch every other team get younger and better except for us.

Don't trade away anything more! Its already a disgusting embarassment how we dont have a 4th or a 5th. We are already pathetic going into this draft in terms of our arsenal. STOP TRADING THEM...****ING STOP SHANNY!!!!

[chaz]

Yeah, lets trade away some more picks. We already have virtually nothing on Day 2. Lets start doing the same on Day 1. Hopefully, in the next two weeks, we'll get rid of every single pick we have so that we will be able to sit there and watch every other team get younger and better except for us.

Don't trade away anything more! Its already a disgusting embarassment how we dont have a 4th or a 5th. We are already pathetic going into this draft in terms of our arsenal. STOP TRADING THEM...****ING STOP SHANNY!!!!

i was waiting for socal to get upset about all the talk of trading for jenkins...haha here it is!

you cant honestly believe there is a better value in the third than trading it away for a pro bowl DT!?!?!?! filling our biggest need on the entire football team with all-pro caliber talent...what a shame...

we have 7 picks right now...the same as most teams although we are in slightly better position with the extra third...dont get tooo worked up there socal!! i love your enthusiasm for the draft but....

[Atlas]

Yeah, lets trade away some more picks. We already have virtually nothing on Day 2. Lets start doing the same on Day 1. Hopefully, in the next two weeks, we'll get rid of every single pick we have so that we will be able to sit there and watch every other team get younger and better except for us.

Don't trade away anything more! Its already a disgusting embarassment how we dont have a 4th or a 5th. We are already pathetic going into this draft in terms of our arsenal. STOP TRADING THEM...****ING STOP SHANNY!!!!


I would be perfectly happy being without a 2nd for Jenkins.

[Bronco Yoda]

I say pull the trigger.

I'll take one Mcfatty with a heaping of draft day blues (can't get any worse since we hold the record for going the longest without a top 10 pick anyway) and and extra bonus sauce and added incentives on the side.

Who needs draft picks when you can have a sure thing. Need more cash Bowlen?... here's my paypal account # ********* for a couple more bucks.

How many draft picks ever make it let alone develop into PB'ers. Just look at our record at CB over the years. We finally had to break down and pay the piper for trade.... and it was worth it!

[Pendejo]

Ho ho, guys! Baloney T!ts is fat! High five, anyone?

In the future don't forget to add that you're also a hack. ^5

:thumbsup: