Chiefs offense now doomed

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2838586&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Chiefs' Shields retires after stellar career

Offensive guard Will Shields of the Kansas City Chiefs, one of the NFL's most celebrated blockers of this era on the field and most honored philanthropists off it, has decided to retire from the NFL after 14 seasons.

Will Shields
Shields

A 12-time Pro Bowl performer and certain candidate for Hall of Fame honors, Shields made the announcement of his retirement on his Web site on Sunday evening.

"The love for the game never decreased but, as the years passed, the physical requirements of the game became harder to fulfill each and every day," Shields wrote on the site. "If it was up to me I would play football forever but, as we all know, that is unrealistic."

Shields, 35, has been a fixture for the Chiefs at right guard and a leader in the Kansas City community since the team selected the former Nebraska star in the third round of the 1993 draft. He is the longest-tenured player on the Kansas City roster and his 224 appearances and 223 starts are franchise records.

In 14 seasons, Shields never missed a game, and he failed to start only one contest, his first regular-season outing, as a rookie in 1993. He is one of only four NFL players since the merger in 1970 to start more than 200 straight games.

Shields has appeared in 12 straight Pro Bowl games and his 224 regular-season games are more than any of the seven modern-era guards currently in the Hall of Fame.

As notable an impact as Shields has made on the field, where he is regarded as one of the premier in-line blockers in modern league history, his accomplishments outside of football are just as laudable.

As a rookie, Shields and his wife, Senia, established the "Will to Succeed Foundation." The foundation's Web site defines its purpose as "inspiring, guiding and improving the lives of abused, battered and neglected women and children."

The foundation, and numerous other charitable efforts helped earn Shields the NFL's prestigious Walter Payton Man of the Year honor in 2003. Shields and his wife have garnered considerable recognition in other quarters as well for the lives they have affected.

Shields has flirted with the notion of retirement in the past, notably a year ago, and he sat out most of the Chiefs' offseason conditioning program as he deliberated his future. After much thought, Shields returned to the team and enjoyed another standout season.

He has three seasons remaining on his contract, at base salaries of $1.2 million (for 2007), $1.59 million (2008) and $1.98 million (2009). Shields becomes the second potential Hall of Fame offensive lineman to retire from the Chiefs in the last two years. Tackle Willie Roaf, a 11-time Pro Bowl performer, retired last year.

"I am looking forward to a future filled with sports in mind," Shields wrote. "Whether it is in the stands, on the sideline, in the press box or in a office -- football will remain in my blood."

[Clockwork Orange]

I think pretty much everyone saw that coming.

[maven]

!Booya!

Great to see another position that needs to be filled on the line. :~ohyah!:

!Booya!

[kmartin575]

I think we were all expecting this anyways. Welbourn will be fine for a year and perhaps we can get a guy like Ben Grubbs or Justin Blalock in the 1st.

This kind of sucks but oh well. At least he didn't wait until 2 days before training camp to announce it. At least he didn't talk others out of retirement and then retire himself.

[OrangeShadow]

I think pretty much everyone saw that coming.

Yeah bob welching on bets is a well known occurance.


oh and i figured shields would retire

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Donk killa to the end!

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[BroncoFiend]

Your STARTING threads now Bob? Have some honor man.:unamused:

[BroncoFiend]

Donk killa to the end!

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A blind block really doesn't show anything about how good the guy was, I mean how hard is it to own a guy when they don't see you coming?

[Clockwork Orange]

Makes you wonder if Shields is one of the ones who had enough of Larry Johnson's act.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A blind block really doesn't show anything about how good the guy was, I mean how hard is it to own a guy when they don't see you coming?

OK. This work for ya? :notworthy

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

Makes you wonder if Shields is one of the ones who had enough of Larry Johnson's act.

The act of crediting his offensive line every week?

[Clockwork Orange]

No, the act of being a locker room cancer.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53560

He said that one veteran lineman said that he would rather retire than to block for Johnson another year.

Hmmm, I wonder if that might have been said by the veteran lineman who just retired? hmmm...

[400HZ]

The act of crediting his offensive line every week?

You better hope they don't replace Shield with a white person that LJ can't relate to.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, the act of being a locker room cancer.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53560

He said that one veteran lineman said that he would rather retire than to block for Johnson another year.

Hmmm, I wonder if that might have been said by the veteran lineman who just retired? hmmm...

LOL. Yeah, that quote's real.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah, it can't possibly be real. I mean, it said that a veteran lineman claimed he'd rather retire than block for LJ again and now a veteran lineman retires.

No validity there whatsoever. :rofl:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You're really reaching here. Shields was talking retirement last offseason, too. Turley also retired this offseason.

Gotta love Donk fans. They take a Will Shields thread and turn it into an LJ-bashfest.

[Clockwork Orange]

LOL

Shields stayed last year despite his buddy Willie retiring.

Keep trying to convince everyone, especially your pals over at cessplanet who are pretty fed up with LJ's wannabe angry black man act too, that LJ is really a great guy who's loved by his teammates.

Talk about reaching. :laugh:

[usedupbraids]

THERE DUMB!!!!! but Damon Huard Is still there and L.J so maybe not Doomed but on Life support.../-------
(http://orangemane.com/players/playerpage/1748)

[SoCalBronco]

LJ definitely needs to turn his life around.

[BroncoFiend]

OK. This work for ya? :notworthy

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Well I'm convinced...you're screwed!Booya!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL

Shields stayed last year despite his buddy Willie retiring.

Keep trying to convince everyone, especially your pals over at cessplanet who are pretty fed up with LJ's wannabe angry black man act too, that LJ is really a great guy who's loved by his teammates.

Talk about reaching. :laugh:

You are the only one reaching. Roaf had to talk Shields out of retiring.

Keep clinging to your fabricated quote though.

[OrangeShadow]

You better hope they don't replace Shield with a white person that LJ can't relate to.

Hilarious! ^5

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well I'm convinced...you're screwed!Booya!

Heh. Great player, but he dropped off the last two years. Be interesting to see what Welbourn does in his spot.

[Clockwork Orange]

Will do. You keep hanging on to the idea that LJ is a great teammate. So far the "fabricated quote" is showing a lot more validity than your neverending LJ apologist act.

[usedupbraids]

LOL Eddie Kennison Is your number One WR

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Will do. You keep hanging on to the idea that LJ is a great teammate. So far the "fabricated quote" is showing a lot more validity than your neverending LJ apologist act.

Apologist act? What a joke. I'm not apologizing for the guy because he hasn't done anything.

Other than credit his offensive line. Every week. Bite me.

[cmhargrove]

Hey I am a Bronco fan through and through, but I respect the hell out of the career Will Shields put up. He helped make Priest great, and helped make LJ great. Not to mention some pretty great protection for Trent Green. I would have been happy to have Shields as a Bronco.

Cheers to Shields, i'm glad he's not in the AFC West any more - and I do mean that as a compliment.

[Clockwork Orange]

It's so cute when you get defensive, especially when you have to do so against fellow Chef fans like the ones in the link I posted earlier. Hilarious!

[Clockwork Orange]

Hey I am a Bronco fan through and through, but I respect the hell out of the career Will Shields put up. He helped make Priest great, and helped make LJ great. Not to mention some pretty great protection for Trent Green. I would have been happy to have Shields as a Bronco.

Cheers to Shields, i'm glad he's not in the AFC West any more - and I do mean that as a compliment.

Agreed 100%. Shields was a great player and a class guy. As a Bronco fan, I'm glad he's heading into the sunset.

[usedupbraids]

Hey I am a Bronco fan through and through, but I respect the hell out of the career Will Shields put up. He helped make Priest great, and helped make LJ great. Not to mention some pretty great protection for Trent Green. I would have been happy to have Shields as a Bronco.

Cheers to Shields, i'm glad he's not in the AFC West any more - and I do mean that as a compliment.

He was ok ....kind of Ifi :peace:

[Dagmar]

Bob, why have you not responded to anyone over the fact you welched on your bet? Just ignore it and it will go away huh?

[cswil]

Heh. Great player, but he dropped off the last two years. Be interesting to see what Welbourn does in his spot.

Nice spin. Yet another hole on the Chiefs offense.:giggle:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nice spin. Yet another hole on the Chiefs offense.:giggle:

It's not spin. Anyone who watched the Chiefs could clearly see his play declining. He gave up something like 7 sacks last year.

[cswil]

It's not spin. Anyone who watched the Chiefs could clearly see his play declining. He gave up something like 7 sacks last year.

Find someone better!

[Inkana7]

Find someone better!

Quoted for truth. Declined play or not, Shields was a damn good lineman, and he'll be missed by the Chiefs.

By the way, just who the hell are your starting tackles?

[cswil]

Quoted for truth. Declined play or not, Shields was a damn good lineman, and he'll be missed by the Chiefs.

By the way, just who the hell are your starting tackles?

I asked that too. Minus Black, Turley, and Welbourne playing guard...that is a good question.
Sampson perhaps. Svitek (or whatever his name is)?

[cswil]

For the record, Tim Grunhard on 610 Sports in KC said that Weigmann is contemplating retirement too. Heard that last week.

[kmartin575]

Quoted for truth. Declined play or not, Shields was a damn good lineman, and he'll be missed by the Chiefs.

By the way, just who the hell are your starting tackles?

Damion McIntosh and Chris Terry.

[ZONA]

I think he retired because he is getting old and he doesn't see any writing on the wall that would lead him to believe the Chiefs are gonna do anything next year. Cya dude. Have fun spending your millions in retirement. :thumbsup:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wiegmann is another guy that just isn't suited for our offense. He's a big liability against the 3-4 teams.

Our starting tackles are probably going to be McIntosh and Chris Terry, who we picked up midseason last year. We've been grooming him to take over at right tackle. He was outstanding in Seattle before his suspension. I suspect he'll be an upgrade over the scabs we had playing there last year.

[watermock]

Pathetic attempt at comedy Bobo.

[cswil]

Isnt it amazing how "outstanding" players become available.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The dude was out of football for a year. The Chiefs took a chance on him and in limited play he was very good last season. It's OK to admit that sometimes the Chiefs get one right, y'know.

[cutthemdown]

This is expected but still like Wilson it's a loss that will be felt.

[Spider]

Chiefs have been doomed since the 70's and your fat ass is just now figuring this out ? I bet you are the brightest one down at the gaming place .......

[SNR_Chief]

The Chiefs are missing an NFL legend on the line because of this retirement, but they're not missing an integral part of the line. Last season Will's age really showed and it was clear last season was going to be his last. Whomever the Chiefs put in to replace Shields at guard (Welbourne) will likely be better than what we had last year, especially with the offense philosophy change by Edwards. But that's another story.

That being said, this is a 14-year veteran who not only started 200+ games, but absolutely DOMINATED the game every snap he played. It irks me to think of the incredible offensive line we once had in Kansas City and what there is to show for it.

Enjoy retirement, Will. You earned it.

[SNR_Chief]

And whoever the Chiefs fan was who said we should draft a guard in the 1st round to replace Shields is a genuine retard.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

pft says that it was all because of money. The Chiefs wouldn't give him more so he told them to screw themselves.

[kmartin575]

pft says that it was all because of money. The Chiefs wouldn't give him more so he told them to screw themselves.

Your an idiot. This had nothing to do with money. Before last season Shields agreed on a renegotiated contract that saved the team money.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

37 years and counting

[kmartin575]

And whoever the Chiefs fan was who said we should draft a guard in the 1st round to replace Shields is a genuine retard.

So what would you do?

[kmartin575]

37 years and counting

And yet we still have a winning record against every AFC West team.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bob, your retarded little sister is using your computer again.

[tubbs]

And yet we still have a winning record against every AFC West team.

Let's all rejoice in mediocrity.

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is expected but still like Wilson it's a loss that will be felt.

We're a little more prepared.

[watermock]

You obviously haven't checked your FA signings.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You obviously haven't checked your FA signings.

WTF? I suppose you're going to tell me McIntosh is a downgrade from Black and Nap Harris is a lousy replacement for Kawika.

[400HZ]

The dude was out of football for a year. The Chiefs took a chance on him and in limited play he was very good last season. It's OK to admit that sometimes the Chiefs get one right, y'know.

You said the same thing about Turley last year. How did he work out?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You said the same thing about Turley last year. How did he work out?

I don't recall saying Turley was going to be anything more than a stopgap. He played pretty decent when he was healthy.

[Vladimir]

Will Shields was really good, so was Roaf... That line is really falling apart..

Who do they have still? Brian Waters?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That line is really falling apart..



It was falling apart last year. There's no question it's going to be better next year.

[brncs_fan]

Bob, why have you not responded to anyone over the fact you welched on your bet? Just ignore it and it will go away huh?

He is still ignoring it even though he was asked directly. I say that if he is going to post, then for the remander of the time that he should be banned he should be made to wear the Welch's Jelly logo in his avatar and have the line "I am a giant bet welcher" tatooed in his sig.

[WoodMan]

I don't think this is anything to worry about for the Chef's. LarJo will still get his 1500 yards. ON 800 CARRIES! Hilarious!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He is still ignoring it even though he was asked directly. I say that if he is going to post, then for the remander of the time that he should be banned he should be made to wear the Welch's Jelly logo in his avatar and have the line "I am a giant bet welcher" tatooed in his sig.

Read my title dumbarse.

[SureShot]

19001

[Florida_Bronco]

19001

Remember our pledge. Even bad attention is good attention for him.

[sirhcyennek81]

Read my title dumbarse.


Your fascination with ass is disturbing.


:Broncos:

[Crushaholic]

Who has control of Bob's avatar? Florida? I can't remember...

[ol number 7]

It's not spin. Anyone who watched the Chiefs could clearly see his play declining. He gave up something like 7 sacks last year.

So now you guys throw your future Hall of Famer under the bus and say that he wasn't that good. Interesting. from football God to declining player all in the same paragraph. Mullet logic is what I'm thinking.:curtsey:

[Kaylore]

The Chiefs suck and will continue to suck just like their failure fans.

[SNR_Chief]

So what would you do?Put Welbourne in there. It's his natural position. We'll still have the same mediocre backups in Bober/Stallings that we had last year.

I don't see us spending any pick higher than a 3rd rounder on Oline. Herm wants to continue to improve the D with a CB/DT. The only way I see us spending our pick on offensive line is if Levi Brown falls to 23. Offensive guard is too expendible of a position to waste a first rounder.

[ol number 7]

He is still ignoring it even though he was asked directly. I say that if he is going to post, then for the remander of the time that he should be banned he should be made to wear the Welch's Jelly logo in his avatar and have the line "I am a giant bet welcher" tatooed in his sig.

Now I owe DiscoMan a bottle of Southern Comfort. I said Bob would welch around training camp and Disco said He's like those who watch kiddy porn. Just can't help himself. He said "the welch" would come before the combine was over.

[SureShot]

Did someone say failure?


Stat Factory: Here's to the losers

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<!-- hasAccess this is not a premium story --><!-- template inline -->Think your hometown teams are a bunch of losers? Hey, Chicago, we've all been there. Some of us, though, have been there longer than most.
Which brings us to the first-ever ranking of the Losingest Sports Cities in North America. That's all-time, for all four of the Big Four sports. Yes, that's right. We looked at every city in the U.S. and Canada that has an NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB team today -- then went back in history to account for every franchise that stayed for the long haul, just passed through or died a sad death.
Next, we added up the wins, losses and ties (presented in that order), and calculated that locale's overall losing percentage (NFL stats are from 1920; AFL are from 1966; NHL are from 1926/27; NBA are from 1946/47; MLB from 1900).
Of course, the bottom of any list of losers is the start of another list of winners. So if that's how you like to look at life, here's our losers list bottoms-up (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=070411statwinners).
Is any of this scientific? Kind of. Fair? Probably not. Fun? You tell us.
For a closer look at losing, losers and losses big and small, check out "Stat Factory" in the current issue of ESPN The Magazine (on newsstands April 12):

<table id="inlinetable" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">1. COLUMBUS | Record: 150-282-33 (.653 losing percentage)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Blue Jackets (2000-2007): 139-216-33-19-3
• NFL: Panhandles/Tigers (defunct; 1920-1926): 11-44-1
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">2. TAMPA | Record: 1,137-1,725-113 (.603)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Lightning (1992-2007): 371-520-112-29-4
• NFL: Bucs (1976-2007): 187-296-1
• MLB: Devil Rays (1998-2007): 579-876
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">3. VANCOUVER | Record: 1,167-1,690-391 (.592)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Canucks (1970-2007): 1066-1299-391-28-4
• NBA: Grizzlies (1996-2001): 101-359
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">4. NEW ORLEANS | Record: 552-791-5 (.589)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NFL: Saints (1967-2007): 247-358-5
• NBA: Hornets (2003-2007): 144-184, Jazz (1975-1979): 161-249
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">5. SAN JOSE | Record: 426-569-121 (.572)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Sharks (1991-2007): 426-531-121-31-7
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">6. SAN DIEGO | Record: 3,374-4,091-7 (.548)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NFL: Chargers (1966-2007): 289-328-7
• NBA: Clippers (1979-1984): 186-306, Rockets (1968-1971): 119-209
• MLB: Padres (1969-2007): 2,780-3,248
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">7. CHARLOTTE | Record: 676-796-0 (.541)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NFL: Panthers (1995-2007): 90-102-0
• NBA: Bobcats (2005-2007): 44-120, Hornets (1989-2002): 542-574
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">8. SACRAMENTO | Record: 781-909-0 (.538)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NBA: Kings (1986-2007): 781-909
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">9. WASHINGTON, D.C. | Record: 7,923-9,158-326 (.536)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Capitals (1974-2007): 1,040-1,104-303-23-6
• NFL: Redskins (1937-2007): 496-450-23, Senators (defunct; 1921): 2-2-0
• NBA: Wizards (1998-2007): 294-412, Bullets (1974-1997): 934-1,034, Capitols (defunct; 1947-1951): 42-61
• MLB: Nationals (2005-2007): 152-172: Senators (1901-1960): 4,223-4,864, Senators (1961-1971): 740-1,030
</td> </tr> <tr><th colspan="1" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">10. KANSAS CITY | Record: 4,774-5,445-33 (.533)</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td>Teams:
• NHL: Scouts (1974-1976): 27-110-23-0-0
• NFL: Chiefs (1966-2007): 330-285-9, Blues/Cowboys (defunct; 1924-1926): 12-15-1
• NBA: Kings (1976-1985): 381-439, KC/Omaha Kings (1973-1975): 113-133
• MLB: Royals (1969-2007): 2934-3083: Athletics (1955-1967): 829-1224, Packers (Fed League; 1914-1915): 148-156



Hmmmm. San Diego 6th and KC 10th.
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[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs suck and will continue to suck just like their failure fans.

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[Jetmeck]

Your STARTING threads now Bob? Have some honor man.:unamused:

You have got to be kidding. This dispicable POS should be banned for sure now. Come on TJ. You have to draw a line somewhere ?

[Jetmeck]

The Chiefs suck and will continue to suck just like their failure fans.


Exactly, their fans have "FAILED" to influence that franchise's owners enough to fire Carl Peterson. I'd be real proud of that GM if I were them.

[Jetmeck]

And yet we still have a winning record against every AFC West team.

You freakin retards never cease to amaze me. He says that like it is an accomplish of some sort. Do they give out trophies for that numbnuts ?

[Los Broncos]

I've always wanted to know what makes this team suck every year? I mean it fills me with joy to see a afc foe suffer, but what is the answer? lol

[Kaylore]

You freakin retards never cease to amaze me. He says that like it is an accomplish of some sort. Do they give out trophies for that numbnuts ?

That's enough for them. That's a successful season to the Chiefs. Beat the Broncos = win the Super Bowl. Get a winning record against the AFC West = great season. Their loser fans just want mediocrity and are satisfied with just that. Herm and KC are a perfect marriage.

[Paladin]

I hope the mullets continue their trip[down mediocrity's path to unfettered oblivion. They deserve it. Couldn't' happen to a dumber, more pathetic organization or fan base.......

[azbroncfan]

You have got to be kidding. This dispicable POS should be banned for sure now. Come on TJ. You have to draw a line somewhere ?

For some reason the mods have a soft spot for Bob and won't ban him to make him pay up the debt he owes.

[azbroncfan]

It's not spin. Anyone who watched the Chiefs could clearly see his play declining. He gave up something like 7 sacks last year.

and that is what seattle said when they lost Steve H. Nice spin job as Shields is better than anyone that will replace him it just remains to be seen how much better.

[Garcia Bronco]

He missed 2 pro-bowls in his 14 year career? LMAO What a loser!

[Killericon]

A simply fantastic player. My hats off to one of the greatest guards of all time. It's just too bad the Chiefs couldn't get him a ring. :~ohyah!:

Oh, and Napoleon Harris is a joke.

[kmartin575]

A simply fantastic player. My hats off to one of the greatest guards of all time. It's just too bad the Chiefs couldn't get him a ring. :~ohyah!:

Oh, and Napoleon Harris is a joke.

And then you realized the **** talker Al Wilson has a bum neck and was cut. I guess you guys don't have anybody better than Napoleon Harris for MLB.

[jonny1]

If Shields makes the HOF before Gary Zimmerman, I am going to Canton and burn it down . . .

[kmartin575]

If Shields makes the HOF before Gary Zimmerman, I am going to Canton and burn it down . . .

Shields is twice the OL Zimmerman ever was.

[TheChamp24]

And then you realized the **** talker Al Wilson has a bum neck and was cut. I guess you guys don't have anybody better than Napoleon Harris for MLB.

We could probably draft a better MLB than Napoleon Harris.

[cutthemdown]

Shields is twice the OL Zimmerman ever was.

I disagree

[cutthemdown]

Shields is twice the OL Zimmerman ever was.

Zimmerman was on 2 different all decade teams. No lineman in history has been twice as good as Zimmerman. He went 2 years without giving up a sack in Denver.

[Killericon]

And then you realized the **** talker Al Wilson has a bum neck and was cut. I guess you guys don't have anybody better than Napoleon Harris for MLB.

Fine. We don't have a good MLB. That doesn't make Napoleon any better of a linebacker.

Oh, and I would not trade our current LB corps for your current linebackers corps. Seriously.

[kmartin575]

Fine. We don't have a good MLB. That doesn't make Napoleon any better of a linebacker.

Oh, and I would not trade our current LB corps for your current linebackers corps. Seriously.

I think just about anybody would take Derrick Johnson over D.J. Williams. Derrick Johnson has the talent to play both the weakside and the strongside and currently plays the strongside. D.J. Williams plays the strongside and he sucks at it.

And while he is a bit older Donnie Edwards is twice the linebacker Ian Gold ever was or will be.

[kmartin575]

Zimmerman was on 2 different all decade teams. No lineman in history has been twice as good as Zimmerman. He went 2 years without giving up a sack in Denver.

The hall of fame voters still seem awfully unimpressed with him. Willie Roaf was twice the player Zimmerman was.

[Jetmeck]

I think just about anybody would take Derrick Johnson over D.J. Williams. Derrick Johnson has the talent to play both the weakside and the strongside and currently plays the strongside. D.J. Williams plays the strongside and he sucks at it.

And while he is a bit older Donnie Edwards is twice the linebacker Ian Gold ever was or will be.


Get a clue and watch some Bronco games before you come over here to spew your chit. You total homer takes
will not fly here.

[Jetmeck]

The hall of fame voters still seem awfully unimpressed with him. Willie Roaf was twice the player Zimmerman was.



I seriously doubt you ever saw ZIM play a game yet you are an expert on him.....LMAO

[kmartin575]

Get a clue and watch some Bronco games before you come over here to spew your chit. You total homer takes
will not fly here.

What is there to watch? Derrick Johnson put up better stats than D.J. Williams the last two years. Donnie Edwards has put up better stats than Ian Gold almost every year in his career.

[Inkana7]

What is there to watch? Derrick Johnson put up better stats than D.J. Williams the last two years. Donnie Edwards has put up better stats than Ian Gold almost every year in his career.

Good job. You just won the retard post of the week award! To what address shall we send your fruit basket?

Antonio Pierce put up better numbers than Brian Urlacher this year. He must be better than him too, right? Hilarious!

Go home, buddy. Come back when you can actually believe your own arguments.

[eddie mac]

Refresh my memory again but for what compensation were both players traded for???

[BroncoBuff]

He has three seasons remaining on his contract, at base salaries of $1.2 million (for 2007), $1.59 million (2008) and $1.98 million (2009).
He was a true warrior - gotta give him that.

But WHO WAS HIS AGENT?! Steve Hutchinson, Eric Steinbach and a couple others make this much per GAME! I think John Engleberger and Montrae Holland make close to those numbers...

[Tom A Hawk]

Bob, why have you not responded to anyone over the fact you welched on your bet? Just ignore it and it will go away huh?

Let me ask the Denver faithful about their dignity.
You let the clown bobo come over here and chump your asses into responding to the most ridiculous bull**** I have ever seen. You then get in a pissing contest with him and he laughs at you and your retorts and you can do nothing but put up with him. If you all ignore him, he will go away.
No way a welcher would treat me the way bobo is treating all of you.

[fontaine]

Let me ask the Denver faithful about their dignity.
You let the clown bobo come over here and chump your asses into responding to the most ridiculous bull**** I have ever seen. You then get in a pissing contest with him and he laughs at you and your retorts and you can do nothing but put up with him. If you all ignore him, he will go away.
No way a welcher would treat me the way bobo is treating all of you.

Pretty much true, but there are plenty of folks around here who have him on ignore and recognize his tired act for what it is.

[cswil]

And yet we still have a winning record against every AFC West team.

Congrats. No SB in 37 years and no playoff victories in 14 years.

Where do you guys keep the trophy for the winning record against AFC West Teams?:spit:

[cutthemdown]

The hall of fame voters still seem awfully unimpressed with him. Willie Roaf was twice the player Zimmerman was.

Wrong again. Zimmerman will make HOF you can bank on that. Zimmerman was dominant and much better then Roaf or Shields. You are really showing your ignorance trying to say any player could be twice as good as someone like Zimmerman. Like I said he made both all decade teams bro, 80's and 90's. You're making yourself look silly.

P.S oh yeah and he has superbowl rings. something Roaf and Shields don't have.

[brncs_fan]

Read my title dumbarse.

Oh I am sorry, I didn't realize that having something in your tag line was the exact same thing as having a Welch's avatar and having that you are a bet welcher in your signature. But way to deflect from the fact that you still have not responded directly to criticism of you being a bet welcher.

[watermock]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Vince_Lombardi_Trophy.jpg/250px-Vince_Lombardi_Trophy.jpg

Long enough that they don't even have the modern trophy.

[broncosteven]

Is Kyle Turley still available?

[NW Bolt Fan]

I think just about anybody would take Derrick Johnson over D.J. Williams. Derrick Johnson has the talent to play both the weakside and the strongside and currently plays the strongside. D.J. Williams plays the strongside and he sucks at it.

And while he is a bit older Donnie Edwards is twice the linebacker Ian Gold ever was or will be.
Uhhhm. No. D.J. Williams is FAR better than D. Johnson. That guy is precisely what draft prognosticators feared... soft at the point of attack. As for Edwards you might be right... 5 years ago.

[Florida_Bronco]

Let me ask the Denver faithful about their dignity.
You let the clown bobo come over here and chump your asses into responding to the most ridiculous bull**** I have ever seen. You then get in a pissing contest with him and he laughs at you and your retorts and you can do nothing but put up with him. If you all ignore him, he will go away.
No way a welcher would treat me the way bobo is treating all of you.

We got a pledge going to do exactly that. AZBroncofan, you should definetly sign up man.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=55244

[DenverBrit]

Let me ask the Denver faithful about their dignity.
You let the clown bobo come over here and chump your asses into responding to the most ridiculous bull**** I have ever seen. You then get in a pissing contest with him and he laughs at you and your retorts and you can do nothing but put up with him. If you all ignore him, he will go away.
No way a welcher would treat me the way bobo is treating all of you.


Add 'ignore' the posters who quote Bob and it all becomes worthwhile.

[worm]

As a rule, I normally don't post in threads that turn to garbage (like more and more of them are doing these days on the Mane for obvious reasons).

However, Shields deserves props. He was a great NFL player and a class act.
One of the only Chiefs I actually liked. It is hard to imagine the Chiefs without him on the line.

I don't like his college team....I don't like his NFL team....but I really respect the man himself.

If I had a vote...he would be a first ballot HOFer. Additionally, he put up with Carl and the rest of that organization for 16 long years. Maybe he should skip the HOF and go right for Sainthood.

Replacing him with a true cheap-shot artist in Welbourne shows you where this franchise is heading.

[BroncoBuff]

He has three seasons remaining on his contract, at base salaries of $1.2 million (for 2007), $1.59 million (2008) and $1.98 million (2009).
WHO WAS HIS AGENT?! Steve Hutchinson, Eric Steinbach and a couple others make this much per GAME! I think John Engleberger and Montrae Holland make close to those numbers...
Wow, BroncoBuff... what a great post. 45 minutes after you posted:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9953/85918261ht1.jpg

[BroncoBuff]

Man that is just shameful ... the Chefs should've paid him commensurate with his skill level ... instead of taking advantage of his (obviously) overmatched agent. That agent should be 86'd from his agent certification.

The Broncos and John Beake used to almost-forcibly pay Barney Chavous commensurate with the rest of DE's in the league with his experience, even though his wife Odessa acted as his agent. (She wasn't much of an 'actor,' if you get my drift).

[kmartin575]

Good job. You just won the retard post of the week award! To what address shall we send your fruit basket?

Antonio Pierce put up better numbers than Brian Urlacher this year. He must be better than him too, right? Hilarious!

Go home, buddy. Come back when you can actually believe your own arguments.

Everybody, Broncos fans included, knows D.J. Williams sucks at strongside linebacker. Derrick Johnson, on the other hand, fits in just fine there. Stats show he's better and his play on the field show he's better.

[kmartin575]

Uhhhm. No. D.J. Williams is FAR better than D. Johnson. That guy is precisely what draft prognosticators feared... soft at the point of attack. As for Edwards you might be right... 5 years ago.

You obviously don't know **** about the Chiefs or Broncos. Everybody has complained for the past year that D.J. Williams sucks at strongside linebacker. You don't hear the same complaints about Derrick Johnson because he is very solid at strongside linebacker.

And anything that comes out of your mouth about Donnie Edwards shouldn't even be listened too. That's like Broncos fans saying Trevor Pryce sucked and they were glad he was gone. Yeah, that sure turned out well for them.

[Br0nc0Buster]

That's like Broncos fans saying Trevor Pryce sucked and they were glad he was gone. Yeah, that sure turned out well for them.

Or Chief's fans that say their O-line will be better this year without Shields because his play has been "rapidly declining" over the past two years.

[400HZ]

Derrick Johnson, Napolean Harris, and Donnie Edwards....ooo frightening. Do you realize that Donnie Edwards is like 34 years old? I didn't think there would be a single team dumb enough to give him a big contract, but I forgot about the Chiefs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Uhhhm. No. D.J. Williams is FAR better than D. Johnson. That guy is precisely what draft prognosticators feared... soft at the point of attack. As for Edwards you might be right... 5 years ago.

Wow. What a reach. Especially considering our DJ has LOCKED DOWN the strongside linebacker spot for the next 10 years, while the Broncos are shuffling around your DJ to make him more effective.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Derrick Johnson, Napolean Harris, and Donnie Edwards....ooo frightening. Do you realize that Donnie Edwards is like 34 years old? I didn't think there would be a single team dumb enough to give him a big contract, but I forgot about the Chiefs.

We didn't give him a big contract.

[Kaylore]

Or Chief's fans that say their O-line will be better this year without Shields because his play has been "rapidly declining" over the past two years.

LOL

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Man that is just shameful ... the Chefs should've paid him commensurate with his skill level ... i

They did. He wasn't on Hutchinson's level when he received that huge contract. Five years ago he was.

[Kaylore]

I'm a bet welching bitch. Look at my flab tits!
Shut up, Boob. You suck.

[NW Bolt Fan]

You obviously don't know **** about the Chiefs or Broncos. Everybody has complained for the past year that D.J. Williams sucks at strongside linebacker. You don't hear the same complaints about Derrick Johnson because he is very solid at strongside linebacker.

And anything that comes out of your mouth about Donnie Edwards shouldn't even be listened too. That's like Broncos fans saying Trevor Pryce sucked and they were glad he was gone. Yeah, that sure turned out well for them.
You obviously don't know **** about football. Every indication is that that Donks are trying to get DJ Wil. on the field MORE, i.e. dumping Al Wilson... They're both "solid" players, but the donks LB at least has the excuse of playing behind a more suspect line.

Yeah, I know nothing about Edwards. Good luck stopping the run this year. Your best LB took off.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your best LB took off.

That is such an ignorant statement. I'm sure we were just dying to resign him but couldn't afford the $1 mil price tag.

[NW Bolt Fan]

We didn't give him a big contract.

It's all relative. He didn't get Adalius Thomas money, but a HELLLLL of a lot more than most FA LBs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's all relative. He didn't get Adalius Thomas money, but a HELLLLL of a lot more than most FA LBs.

He was paid equivalent to his worth. It's not going to be a problem down the road. We got him cheap.

[Northman]

Wow. What a reach. Especially considering our DJ has LOCKED DOWN the strongside linebacker spot for the next 10 years, while the Broncos are shuffling around your DJ to make him more effective.


Totally incorrect.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Totally incorrect.

Meh, OK, maybe a bad choice of words but you can't deny the dude is not cut out to be a strongside linebacker.

[Northman]

Meh, OK, maybe a bad choice of words but you can't deny the dude is not cut out to be a strongside linebacker.


Nah, i agree. But with Wilson moving on maybe he will become more of a force. But without a doubt he hasnt lived up to his pick status in my opinion.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Vince_Lombardi_Trophy.jpg/250px-Vince_Lombardi_Trophy.jpg

Long enough that they don't even have the modern trophy.

That's all right, they have this "one of a kind" ring

[kmartin575]

Derrick Johnson, Napolean Harris, and Donnie Edwards....ooo frightening. Do you realize that Donnie Edwards is like 34 years old? I didn't think there would be a single team dumb enough to give him a big contract, but I forgot about the Chiefs.

We gave him $12 million over 3 years. How the hell is that a big contract, especially compared to other contracts given out this offseason?

And who cares if he is 34. There are plenty of other players, linebackers included, who are very productive at that age. Edwards has also only missed 1 game to injury his entire career.

Derrick Brooks- 34
Tedy Bruschi- 34
James Farrior- 32
London Fletcher- 32
Ray Lewis- 32
Willie McGinest- 36
Mike Peterson- 31
Zach Thomas- 34
Mike Vrabel- 32

I don't see anybody complaining about the age of those guys. Donnie Edwards' play has not dropped off yet so why is it magically going to drop off now? Charger fans love to say he sucked against the run and even if he did that is not going to be such a big deal due to him playing outside linebacker for us instead of the middle.

I will tell you what doesn't scare anybody. Matt Wilhelm and Stephen Cooper doesn't scare anybody at middle linebacker.

[kmartin575]

Or Chief's fans that say their O-line will be better this year without Shields because his play has been "rapidly declining" over the past two years.

I never said it would be better without him. It will be better though because we upgraded at left tackle, we are going to address the line in the draft, and we should have consistency on the line. Regardless of who we have as long as we can have the same 5 guys start for most of the year we will be that much better just because of that.

[kmartin575]

You obviously don't know **** about football. Every indication is that that Donks are trying to get DJ Wil. on the field MORE, i.e. dumping Al Wilson... They're both "solid" players, but the donks LB at least has the excuse of playing behind a more suspect line.

Yeah, I know nothing about Edwards. Good luck stopping the run this year. Your best LB took off.

Derrick Johnson is our best linebacker. He missed 3 or 4 games and still almost had as many tackles as D.J. Williams. He also had 4.5 sacks which is more than the entire Denver LB corps combined.

Go ahead and laugh about Edwards being "weak" against the run as you say he is but that is not going to be a problem at outside linebacker. I'm sure Ian Gold would be a huge weakness against the run at inside linebacker but at outside linebacker he does just fine. The same can be said for Donnie Edwards.

So who do you think is our best linebacker? Kawika Mitchell. LMAO he sucked. He was allright in our old scheme but in our Tampa 2 he sucks in pass coverage. I think NFL teams would agree that he was not very good due to him getting only a 1-year, $1 million dollar deal from New York.

And dumping Al Wilson had nothing to do with getting D.J. Williams on the field more. They dumped him because he cannot pass a physical and is not currently able to play.

[kmartin575]

It's all relative. He didn't get Adalius Thomas money, but a HELLLLL of a lot more than most FA LBs.

How is $12 million over 3 years a big contract? It isn't. He got a $7.5 million signing bonus which is tiny compared to most contracts this offseason.

The only reason we overpayed for him in your opinion is because we are the Chiefs. If one of the other teams that were pursuing him, such as the Saints, had signed him everybody would be saying it is a good signing. However, since we are a division rival it is the worst signing of the offseason according to you.

[Inkana7]

Someone didn't eat their breakfast today.

Take advil for any aches, midol for cramps.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Derrick Johnson is our best linebacker. He missed 3 or 4 games and still almost had as many tackles as D.J. Williams. He also had 4.5 sacks which is more than the entire Denver LB corps combined.



Your linebackers won't sack the quarterback unless you blitz them. The fact that Derrick had more sacks than Gold/Wilson/Williams is contributed to Larry Coyer's incompetence, not Derrick Johnson's GREATNESS.

[Inkana7]

Your linebackers won't sack the quarterback unless you blitz them. The fact that Derrick had more sacks than Gold/Wilson/Williams is contributed to Larry Coyer's incompetence, not Derrick Johnson's GREATNESS.

But...but... Derrick Johnson is T3H U83R PR1M3 L1N384CK3R!!!1111

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your linebackers won't sack the quarterback unless you blitz them. The fact that Derrick had more sacks than Gold/Wilson/Williams is contributed to Larry Coyer's incompetence, not Derrick Johnson's GREATNESS.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Broncos run a blitz-heavy scheme the last few seasons?

I assume DJ Williams has no excuses now.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Broncos run a blitz-heavy scheme in the 2005 season, and then turn around and run an ultra conservative one in the 2006 season?


There. I corrected it for you.

[TheChamp24]

Broncos did NOT blitz heavy last year, and the year before, Ian Gold was the primary blitzer because he couldn't do anything else.

[NW Bolt Fan]

We gave him $12 million over 3 years. How the hell is that a big contract, especially compared to other contracts given out this offseason?

And who cares if he is 34. There are plenty of other players, linebackers included, who are very productive at that age. Edwards has also only missed 1 game to injury his entire career.

Derrick Brooks- 34
Tedy Bruschi- 34
James Farrior- 32
London Fletcher- 32
Ray Lewis- 32
Willie McGinest- 36
Mike Peterson- 31
Zach Thomas- 34
Mike Vrabel- 32

I don't see anybody complaining about the age of those guys. Donnie Edwards' play has not dropped off yet so why is it magically going to drop off now? Charger fans love to say he sucked against the run and even if he did that is not going to be such a big deal due to him playing outside linebacker for us instead of the middle.

I will tell you what doesn't scare anybody. Matt Wilhelm and Stephen Cooper doesn't scare anybody at middle linebacker.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but did ANYONE give a 7.5 million dollar bonus to ANY of these guys on the list? Edwards may well be a "productive" player this year. But at a high price.

And if LJ is smart, HE'D be scared of the new middle LBs, because it won't be Donnie grabbing onto his ankle and holding on for 5 yards.

If it makes you feel any better, I DO think we lost a valuable "elder" linebacker. His name is Randall Godfrey. That dude still brought it. Donnie is a glorified strong safety. And BTW, nobody EVER runs outside in the NFL...

[NW Bolt Fan]

How is $12 million over 3 years a big contract? It isn't. He got a $7.5 million signing bonus which is tiny compared to most contracts this offseason.

The only reason we overpayed for him in your opinion is because we are the Chiefs. If one of the other teams that were pursuing him, such as the Saints, had signed him everybody would be saying it is a good signing. However, since we are a division rival it is the worst signing of the offseason according to you.

EYE would have said it was a quality signing if you'd paid him fittingly. You paid him as much as you'd pay for quality, established youth.

Are you 12? I never said, "it's the worst signing of the offseason." The cowboys giving up a bizillion for Leonard Davis, amongst others would rank WELL ahead of Donnie Edwards to the chefs.