Whitlock on the Imus Situation

[goldengopher1976]

Didn't read through every page of the ongoing thread on the topic to see if the article had been referenced, and figured either way that Whitlock deserved his own thread, since his writings have had their own controversial lives on The Mane. I am a white male, but my sentiments (however (ir)relevant given my race, background, etc.) run rather closely to those of Whitlock on this issue.

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist
Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

[GonzoLays]

"Look Molly, there is a black fella that speaks our language! Gosh Wally G, speak the truth, Brother. ****ing A."

Did we really need a third thread on Imus? Did we?

[Spider]

"Look Molly, there is a black fella that speaks our language! Gosh Wally G, speak the truth, Brother. ****ing A."

Did we really need a third thread on Imus? Did we?

3 imus threads = 1 Brian Griese thread ;D

[Jason in LA]

When I saw a photo of Whitlock, I thought he looked really familiar. Then it hit me. Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks. They not only look alike, they have the same damn view points.

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[Northman]

3 imus threads = 1 Brian Griese thread ;D

I think we need another Jake Plummer thread. ;D

[GonzoLays]

When I saw a photo of Whitlock, I thought he looked really familiar. Then it hit me. Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks. They not only look alike, they have the same damn view points.

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Haha, Fatlock is quickly becoming America's favorite black man.

[goldengopher1976]

"Look Molly, there is a black fella that speaks our language! Gosh Wally G, speak the truth, Brother. ****ing A."

Did we really need a third thread on Imus? Did we?

No?

Is that right? That's what you wanted to hear, right?

I'm sorry that I agree with that black man. Perhaps what I should have said is that I think he's a sellout and that he's pandering to the class of white elitists who run the major media outlets. Would that have justified a 3rd Imus thread?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Haha, Fatlock is quickly becoming America's favorite black man.

Yeah, he's nothing but a sellout Uncle Tom.

Why pick on the rap community and their perpetual glorifyication of criminal lifestyles when you can badger Bill Cosby for trying to promote education and responsibility?

Who needs upward mobility when you can suck off the government teet and complain while you kill each other?

Yeah, the leadership in the black community is just fine. They make everyone feel victimized while they keep raking in the dough. It's quite a situation they have going there. The leeches keep getting fatter while the people starve. That's a great situation to be in for everyone, right?

[Jason in LA]

"Look Molly, there is a black fella that speaks our language! Gosh Wally G, speak the truth, Brother. ****ing A."

Did we really need a third thread on Imus? Did we?


It's so funny to me. Some white people love that guy because he tells them what they want to hear. Just like there are shock jocks, there are shock writers. That is what Whitlock is.

Whitlock has the voice to talk about the issues in the black race, and bring about change. But he just back hand slaps the black race every chance he gets.

Whitlock says that Sharpton and Jackson don't protest gang violence or hip hop. I'm no Sharpton fan, but he recently led a protest against 50 Cent's G Unit. Nope, no media coverage for that. Why would the media want to cover that? But they'll cover anything where Jackson or Sharpton talks about race issues. I read about the Sharpton protest on a hip hop website.

Whitlock is wrong again. He said that blacks can never get together without major issues, which is very far from the truth. Now he says that these guys don't protest real issues.

In reality we really don't know where these guys put their efforts, because the media only covers when they talk about race issues.

Whitlock needs to learn all the facts before he bashes people. But why would he do that, it would take away from his shock value.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Whitlock has the voice to talk about the issues in the black race, and bring about change. But he just back hand slaps the black race every chance he gets.

Whitlock says that Sharpton and Jackson don't protest gang violence or hip hop. I'm no Sharpton fan, but he recently led a protest against 50 Cent's G Unit. Nope, no media coverage for that. Why would the media want to cover that? But they'll cover anything where Jackson or Sharpton talks about race issues. I read about the Sharpton protest on a hip hop website.

Whitlock is wrong again. He said that blacks can never get together without major issues, which is very far from the truth. Now he says that these guys don't protest real issues.


There is no doubt in my mind that if Al Sharpton and 'ol Jessie Jackson wanted to lead a charge against the criminal lifestyles promoted by the rap industry, that the media would be all over it.

You dont think that a full-scale war on the gangsta lifestyle would be lapped up by the middle class? That would be story #1.

The reason that it hasnt become an issue is because it would alienate a large portion of their support.

[Jason in LA]

Yeah, he's nothing but a sellout Uncle Tom.

Why pick on the rap community and their perpetual glorifyication of criminal lifestyles when you can badger Bill Cosby for trying to promote education and responsibility?

Who needs upward mobility when you can suck off the government teet and complain while you kill each other?

Yeah, the leadership in the black community is just fine. They make everyone feel victimized while they keep raking in the dough. It's quite a situation they have going there. The leeches keep getting fatter while the people starve. That's a great situation to be in for everyone, right?

First of all, I'm all for Bill Cosby, and against Whitlock. Cosby told the truth, Whitlock does it for shock value.

You, like too many others, just made a blanket statement about the entire race. That's what pisses me off. So the black race lives off the government teet? Okay, even though there are more white people living off that government teet than black people.

Most people aren't aware of who are the black leaders, because the media will only focus on two guys. There are a lot of community service projects that are fighting gang problems, and that protest the negative issues from hip hop. But they get no media coverage, so most people think they don't exist. It's not a big story when blacks protest about gang violence. But it's a huge story when Jackson or Sharpton run their mouths.

The people are greatly misinformed, so we get all of these negative view points.

[Maximus]

It's so funny to me. Some white people love that guy because he tells them what they want to hear. Just like there are shock jocks, there are shock writers. That is what Whitlock is.

Whitlock has the voice to talk about the issues in the black race, and bring about change. But he just back hand slaps the black race every chance he gets.

Whitlock says that Sharpton and Jackson don't protest gang violence or hip hop. I'm no Sharpton fan, but he recently led a protest against 50 Cent's G Unit. Nope, no media coverage for that. Why would the media want to cover that? But they'll cover anything where Jackson or Sharpton talks about race issues. I read about the Sharpton protest on a hip hop website.

Whitlock is wrong again. He said that blacks can never get together without major issues, which is very far from the truth. Now he says that these guys don't protest real issues.

In reality we really don't know where these guys put their efforts, because the media only covers when they talk about race issues.

Whitlock needs to learn all the facts before he bashes people. But why would he do that, it would take away from his shock value.

Another African-American that does not support Jason Whitlock's misguided ideas. Whitlock just made a fool of himself on Lou Dobbs in the presence of two other Black Journalists who I agree with. One of the Journalists was a writer from Ebony Magazine. That Journalist just wrote an article about the derrogatory lyrics in rap... But whitlock had no clue... Rambling on about nobody in the black community standing up the the real murderers...

[Jason in LA]

There is no doubt in my mind that if Al Sharpton and 'ol Jessie Jackson wanted to lead a charge against the criminal lifestyles promoted by the rap industry, that the media would be all over it.

You dont think that a full-scale war on the gangsta lifestyle would be lapped up by the middle class? That would be story #1.

The reason that it hasnt become an issue is because it would alienate a large portion of their support.

Well then why didn't the media cover Sharpton's protest against G Unit?

I remember back when Death Row was huge there was a major protest against them, led by black people. It didn't get a lot of media attention.

You say the media would be all over a large protest, but I've given you two examples where the media wasn't.

The media goes after juicy stories. I've been to a few protests against gang violence. There was some media there, but it wasn't a big thing. 20 seconds on the local news, but that was about it.

[Northman]

First of all, I'm all for Bill Cosby, and against Whitlock. Cosby told the truth, Whitlock does it for shock value.

You, like too many others, just made a blanket statement about the entire race. That's what pisses me off. So the black race lives off the government teet? Okay, even though there are more white people living off that government teet than black people.

Most people aren't aware of who are the black leaders, because the media will only focus on two guys. There are a lot of community service projects that are fighting gang problems, and that protest the negative issues from hip hop. But they get no media coverage, so most people think they don't exist. It's not a big story when blacks protest about gang violence. But it's a huge story when Jackson or Sharpton run their mouths.

The people are greatly misinformed, so we get all of these negative view points.

Well, its also not a big story when a white man is dragged behind a vehicle by some black men.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2702

[Spider]

I think we need another Jake Plummer thread. ;D

LOL Jake Plummer is the reason Imus made the comments he did

[Northman]

LOL Jake Plummer is the reason Imus made the comments he did


Dammit Plummer. :rofl:

[Jason in LA]

Another African-American that does not support Jason Whitlock's misguided ideas. Whitlock just made a fool of himself on Lou Dobbs in the presence of two other Black Journalists who I agree with. One of the Journalists was a writer from Ebony Magazine. That Journalist just wrote an article about the derrogatory lyrics in rap... But whitlock had no clue... Rambling on about nobody in the black community standing up the the real murderers...


Whitlock, like the general public, don't have a clue what movements are going on. But he, like the general public, will make blanket statements, talking about nobody is doing anything, when there are many people who are trying to fight the problems.

Whitlock just backs up the mis guided opinion of the general public. And he says it in a shocking way. So people who share his mis guided opinion will act like he's telling it like it is, and they'll love it.

Uncle Ruckus...I mean Whitlock, needs to open his eyes, but he won't, because he's pleasing the people that he wants to please.

[Jason in LA]

Well, its also not a big story when a white man is dragged behind a vehicle by some black men.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2702

What was I told? Apples and oranges.

You may have a point. But that doesn't disprove anything that I have said in this thread. The national public is led to believe that there is no movement by blacks to stop gang violence. That is just not true.

[epicSocialism4tw]

First of all, I'm all for Bill Cosby, and against Whitlock. Cosby told the truth, Whitlock does it for shock value.

I dont agree. Whitlock has an opportunity to affect not only the perception of other races of black people in general, but he has an opportunity to send out a wakeup call to black athletes and people in the sports community. It looks as though he has decided to follow that path. I dont blame him for it one bit.


You, like too many others, just made a blanket statement about the entire race. That's what pisses me off. So the black race lives off the government teet? Okay, even though there are more white people living off that government teet than black people.

I'm talking about the large segment of the black community who are comfortable living in low income housing and living off of the government. Those communities are hotbeds of crime and are the same communities that spawn guys like Snoop Dogg and 50 cent. There is an edgy social statement that they make that appeals to much of the black community. It's a cyclical thing that alienates the poor black community from the mainstream. No one takes school seriously. No one learns personal responsibility or respect. People glorify playing "the game" and stepping on each other for stupid material things like gold chains and playstations.

I know a boy named Michael. Michael is brilliant. He is genius-level smart, and a very gifted 11 year old. He is an abstract thinker, a problem solver, a kid who could very well design airplanes for a living as an adult. Micheal lives in the ghetto. When I go to visit him, he is very nice and respectful. His parents are involved in his life a little bit. He understands alot of things necessary to be successful socially.

When I talk to Michael about school, he always tells me that he is making F's. I ask him about it every week. When I discuss his future with him, he tells me that he wants to be a football player. That's what his parents want too. So, I invite him to come with me to visit various professionals. Doctors, pastors, lawyers, nurses, university professors, etc. He doesnt know what that world is like.

Michael is very much influenced by the rap/gangsta culture. He knows every filthy lyric (at 11 years old), he imitates the rappers, he acts hard. When I look down the line at his future, I see a brilliant kid in prison. I see influences on his life that for all practical purposes will take him away from a path that leads to a productive life and into one of crime and ultimately an early death. I see him moving up the ranks of whatever crew he aligns himself with in his complex. I see him getting shot for money.

I blame this on alot of different things, but the rap culture and the outside influences on not only Michael, but his whole community.

Its time that guys like Avery Johnson, Paul Silas and other great black men with a platform start getting the attention.

[GonzoLays]

It's so funny to me. Some white people love that guy because he tells them what they want to hear. Just like there are shock jocks, there are shock writers. That is what Whitlock is.



/end thread

[GonzoLays]

Well, its also not a big story when a white man is dragged behind a vehicle by some black men.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2702

WTF does have to do with anything? Are you actually trying to imply that media is pro-black/anti-white? :tinfoilha

[Garcia Bronco]

/end thread

Typically I would agree...but this isn't the first time he's said this type of thing or written and he even got let go from ESPiN in a sense because of it.

[Garcia Bronco]

WTF does have to do with anything? Are you actually trying to imply that media is pro-black/anti-white? :tinfoilha

I took away from it that it was about one of the stupiest concepts in legislation...the "Hate Crime"

[GonzoLays]

No?

Is that right? That's what you wanted to hear, right?

I'm sorry that I agree with that black man. Perhaps what I should have said is that I think he's a sellout and that he's pandering to the class of white elitists who run the major media outlets. Would that have justified a 3rd Imus thread?

Why did you post Whitlock's article about Imus amongst the hundred or so stories that are out there? What was it that gravitated you towards the article and deemed it so important that it deserved its own thread?

[GonzoLays]

In other news, Michael Ray Richardson (a black man) was suspended from the CBA for remarks about Jews:

(Can you believe that ****? A black man was reprimanded for supposed insensitive remarks towards an ethnic group? Isn't that impossible? With the way people are acting, I thought only white people were getting the short of end of the "could it be deemed a racist comment?/**** it, crucify him for it regardless" stick. (tell'em Anubis, it's a conspiracy!!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micheal_Ray_Richardson

2007 suspension for anti-Semitic remarks
On March 28, 2007, he was suspended for the rest of the CBA championship series for his comments in an interview with the Albany Times Union newspaper, in which he stated that Jews were "crafty (because) they are hated worldwide."[1]

Specifically, it was reported by the Times Union that before a game against the Yakama Sun Kings, Richardson made anti-Semitic comments to two reporters in his office when discussing the contract general manager Jim Coyne had offered him Monday to coach his team in the CBA and USBL. "I've got big-time lawyers," Richardson said. "I've got big-time Jew lawyers."

When told by the reporters that the comment could be offensive to people because it plays to the stereotype that Jews are crafty and shrewd, he responded with:

"Are you kidding me? They are. They've got the best security system in the world. Have you ever been to an airport in Tel Aviv? They're real crafty. Listen, they are hated all over the world, so they've got to be crafty. They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean? Which I think is great. I don't think there's nothing wrong with it. If you look in most professional sports, they're run by Jewish people. If you look at a lot of most successful corporations and stuff, more businesses, they're run by Jewish [sic]. It's not a knock, but they are some crafty people."

The paper also reported that he fired expletives at a heckler, using profanity and an anti-gay slur, at Game 1 of the championship series.[2]

Patroons owner Ben Fernandez denounced Richardson's comments. During his suspension, the league is investigating the allegations against Richardson. "We will not tolerate - and the league will not tolerate - bigots," Fernandez said. Richardson will not be allowed to watch the team practice or be present at any of the games [3].

Some sportswriters have come to Richardson's defense, in the wake of the incident. Peter Vecsey questioned the Times Union's motives in not releasing the audio recording of their exchange with Richardson. Vecsey noted that during the course of his professional dealings with Richardson, he found the player to be "so unsettled, so unsophisticated and so pliable anybody could draw him into saying anything about anything at any time". He also pointed out that Richardson's second wife was Jewish, as was their daughter, Tamara, something that would be unlikely for a true anti-Semite.[3] Christopher Isenberg, a Jewish writer who had earlier profiled Richardson for the Village Voice[4] also defended Richardson's remarks about Jews, stating in a blog post entitled "Jews for Michael Ray",

"Michael Ray is proud to have a Jewish lawyer because he thinks they are the best lawyers. Certainly it’s a stereotype, but it’s a stereotype rooted in a reality. A disproportionate number of the great lawyers in America are Jews. A disproportionate number of the great basketball players in America are black. We have learned to be very careful around these facts because here the line between fact and "stereotype" can get very blurry and if you're not careful, you can get into deep water real quick. Michael Ray was unwise to have been so indiscreet around reporters, but it wasn't exactly Elders of Zion territory."[5]

NBA commissioner David Stern also voiced support for Richardson. While conceding that the remarks about homosexuals were "inappropriate and insensitive" and worthy of a suspension, Stern also said, "I have no doubt that Micheal Ray is not anti-Semitic. I know that he's not...He may have exercised very poor judgment, but that does not reflect Micheal Ray Richardson's feelings about Jews."[6]

Zev Chafets, author of A Match Made in Heaven: American Jews, Christian Zionists and One Man's Exploration of the Weird and Wonderful Judeo-Evangelical Alliance, wrote in the Los Angeles Times that Richardson's comments, while perhaps stereotypical, were not anti-semitic. After discussing Richardson's claim that Jews are "crafty," Chafets stated,

What other hurtful things did Richardson supposedly say? That Israel has the best airport security in the world? This is both true and something Israel itself brags about. That Jews are hated and need to protect themselves? That's the founding premise of the Anti-Defamation League itself.... Richardson, who was a popular player in Israel during his NBA exile years, is guilty of nothing more than free speech. Even if his observations were wrong — which they are not — there's nothing at all insulting about them. What is insulting is the notion that you can't speak honestly about Jews without getting into trouble.[7]

[Jason in LA]

Why did you post Whitlock's article about Imus amongst the hundred or so stories that are out there? What was it that gravitated you towards the article and deemed it so important that it deserved its own thread?

He's not going to give you the real answer, so I will. It was a black guy that is saying what white people really want to say. So they are loving it.

Whitlock can get anyway with what they cannot, so they are going to champion his cause, even though he is full of BS. He doesn't speak the truth, and they really don't care to hear the truth.

[Spider]

He's not going to give you the real answer, so I will. It was a black guy that is saying what white people really want to say. So they are loving it.

Whitlock can get anyway with what they cannot, so they are going to champion his cause, even though he is full of BS. He doesn't speak the truth, and they really don't care to hear the truth.

Dr Phil is that you ?

[Maximus]

Tim Hardaway lost his businesses in Atlanta and was banned from NBA functions for expressing his views about Gays... in 2007. Blacks are not being held accountable though.

[Jason in LA]

Dr Phil is that you ?


I guess it just took 6 years of posting on this message board to figure out your real feelings.

[Spider]

Tim Hardaway lost his businesses in Atlanta and was banned from NBA functions for expressing his views about Gays... in 2007. Blacks are not being held accountable though.

wasnt he that basketball player ?

[Spider]

I guess it just took 6 years of posting on this message board to figure out your real feelings.

LOL dont flatter yourself ...... you are the one making online diagnosis about another persons intentions and reasoning .......... I think you are full of shít , and playing this Imus thing to the hilt ...............

[Jason in LA]

LOL dont flatter yourself ...... you are the one making online diagnosis about another persons intentions and reasoning .......... I think you are full of shít , and playing this Imus thing to the hilt ...............

I'm playing this Imus thing to the hilt? Funny, but I haven't started one thread about Imus. I'm just stepping in to defend my race, which it seems is always under fire around here. Sounds like that is what a lot of you like to do. Most of these race threads seem to started by you guys.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

While I don't agree with lots Whitlock has to say, i think this article was right on point. It's something I mentioned in the other Imus thread, this is just distraction and exploitation. No progress comes out of this. Glorifying a bad shock jocks joke and looking for sympathy does nothing. Its infuriating actually.

[GonzoLays]

He's not going to give you the real answer, so I will. It was a black guy that is saying what white people really want to say. So they are loving it.

Whitlock can get anyway with what they cannot, so they are going to champion his cause, even though he is full of BS. He doesn't speak the truth, and they really don't care to hear the truth.

Good answer... LOL

[cswil]

Whitlock's "Shock Value" is generally perpetuated by his tendency in telling the truth on matters. Hell, Chiefs fans hate him because he calls out Peterson and Edwards or whoever else and exposes their mediocrity on the front page of the KC Star sports page for everyone to see. He has played the race card multiple times...often to excess. This is one of the few times that I have seen him step up and go against conventional Liberal newspaper man and speak out. Not too many media members doing it now, let alone black media members.

[Maximus]

I'm playing this Imus thing to the hilt? Funny, but I haven't started one thread about Imus. I'm just stepping in to defend my race, which it seems is always under fire around here. Sounds like that is what a lot of you like to do. Most of these race threads seem to started by you guys.

I get the feeling that the only way people around here would find happiness is if they could Holler ****er and get away with it! Every excuse in the book is being used in these conversations. One of the lamest excuses is calling the statement a poor joke. Imus is just as much a comedian as Larry King is!

[Spider]

I'm playing this Imus thing to the hilt? Funny, but I haven't started one thread about Imus. I'm just stepping in to defend my race, which it seems is always under fire around here. Sounds like that is what a lot of you like to do. Most of these race threads seem to started by you guys.

Under fire ? back it up ...... I think you are full of shít........... back it up

[Moon§hiner]

I like reading diverse opinions on subjects before forming my opinion rather than doing knee jerk reaction...Whitlock wrote a thought provoking article, nothing more nothing less

[Maximus]

Whitlock's "Shock Value" is generally perpetuated by his tendency in telling the truth on matters. Hell, Chiefs fans hate him because he calls out Peterson and Edwards or whoever else and exposes their mediocrity on the front page of the KC Star sports page for everyone to see. He has played the race card multiple times...often to excess. This is one of the few times that I have seen him step up and go against conventional Liberal newspaper man and speak out. Not too many media members doing it now, let alone black media members.

Amazing a non-black person who has better insight about the black community than the resident black people. whitless has definitely found his meal ticket. whitless is nothing more than the timeless, shameless house negro. Until he learns responsibility he'll never have credibility in my eyes.

[Garcia Bronco]

Amazing a non-black person who has better insight about the black community than the resident black people. whitless has definitely found his meal ticket. whitless is nothing more than the timeless, shameless house negro. Until he learns responsibility he'll never have credibility in my eyes.

LMAO....typical...your are what Whitlock is talking about by calling him that. Unreal

[cswil]

Amazing a non-black person who has better insight about the black community than the resident black people. whitless has definitely found his meal ticket. whitless is nothing more than the timeless, shameless house negro. Until he learns responsibility he'll never have credibility in my eyes.

A shameless house negro? Why, because he refuses to print the conventional liberal media response to this situation? Is he a shameless house negro for pointing out that there are bigger oppressors of the black race than some burned out 60 y/o shock jock and not calling for his job?

[Maximus]

I like reading diverse opinions on subjects before forming my opinion rather than doing knee jerk reaction...Whitlock wrote a thought provoking article, nothing more nothing less

Whitless has been proven to be baffoon quality several times tonight. First he was called out by the editor of Ebony Magazine. The second incident is whitlock not knowing that the king of baffoons ( Al Sharpton )lead a charge against the so called black terrorists without his presence or knowledge. I don't support sharpton, and I posted this link to prove it!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=15128&highlight=sharpton

[Moon§hiner]

Whitless has been proven to be baffoon quality several times tonight. First he was called out by the editor of Ebony Magazine. The second incident is whitlock not knowing that the king of baffoons ( Al Sharpton )lead a charge against the so called black terrorists without his presence or knowledge. I don't support sharpton, and I posted this link to prove it!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=15128&highlight=sharpton
I don't support Whitlock, Sharpton or Imus...what I do is I try to learn....what I do know is that there is a diversity that has obviously cropped up here on the Mane that is just a microcosm of what the rest of our world represents....All I stated was that if more people really became informed instead of just doing knee jerk reaction (like doing everything but calling Whitlock Uncle Tom) maybe .....naaaaaa people will never get along...go on about bashing...sorry I stopped by.

[usedupbraids]

"Look Molly, there is a black fella that speaks our language! Gosh Wally G, speak the truth, Brother. ****ing A."

Did we really need a third thread on Imus? Did we?

:afro: Power to the people

[Dr.5280]

Crap this is getting stupid. Imus called out eight accomplished talented young women and is now paying the price for it. Young women under the age of 22. Young women who aspire and work hard to attain their goals. Now you get scum like Sharpton and Jackson circling like sharks in very muddied waters.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Why do white people like Whitlock?

Because he's not this guy:
(warning: offensive language used...click link at your own risk)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/

[Los Broncos]

I heard one of the girls from the team say she will scared for life because of this.

[Los Broncos]

Why do white people like Whitlock?

Because he's not this guy:
(warning: offensive language used...click link at your own risk)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/

Wow that was pure hate.

[Garcia Bronco]

I heard one of the girls from the team say she will scared for life because of this.


That's not unrealistic...there are many nut jobs out there.

[watermock]

The only thing that shocks me is it was allowed to be taped. This is standard fare for the Nation of Islam organization.

This goes back well over a millenium.

[Los Broncos]

That's not unrealistic...there are many nut jobs out there.

I dont see her as being scared for life, it may stick in her mind for the rest of her life, but not scared and tramatized like shes sayin. I think maybe people use anything even the smallest and milk it for as long as they can.

[watermock]

That's not unrealistic...there are many nut jobs out there.

It's not a nut job, it's standard fare. Just unusual to have it leaked. People can delude themselves all they want to think this isn't real. It was real a thousand years ago and it's real now.

[watermock]

I'm also amused how apologists claim that Islam is a loving religion. Check out the quasi-Secret Service agent with the sunglasses posturing menacingly.

[goldengopher1976]

He's not going to give you the real answer, so I will. It was a black guy that is saying what white people really want to say. So they are loving it.

Whitlock can get anyway with what they cannot, so they are going to champion his cause, even though he is full of BS. He doesn't speak the truth, and they really don't care to hear the truth.

You've set up a lose-lose for me here. There is nothing I can say that will be *right*. If I stay with previous statements, it's because a black man said what I would say if I had the balls. If I give some other reason for agreeing you'll conclude I'm not being honest or just don't know all the facts or can't understand because I'm white or whatever.

I'm driving home today listening to a local sports-talk radio station and a woman calls in. By the sound of her voice, I'd say she's probably in her 30's, white, and suburban. You know what she says about the Imus thing? Exactly what Whitlock said. Now, perhaps she read the article.

On my way to work today, I'm listening to the same radio station. It's a different show, and the guest (forget his name, obviously a white guy) rather eloquently states many of the same arguments as Whitlock. Perhaps he read the article.

Or, perhaps, there's some truth to it and more than one black man is seeing it. Is it the whole truth? No. But does the situation call for more than a monochromatic cursory viewing from either side? Absolutely. Why can't I simply say I agree with the guy? That doesn't mean I condone what Imus did, it simply means I think the problem is bigger and deeper than Imus, and that *some* of the black community is complicit in *some* of its stereotyping.

Blast away.

[Odysseus]

It's so funny to me. Some white people love that guy because he tells them what they want to hear. Just like there are shock jocks, there are shock writers. That is what Whitlock is.

Whitlock has the voice to talk about the issues in the black race, and bring about change. But he just back hand slaps the black race every chance he gets.

Whitlock says that Sharpton and Jackson don't protest gang violence or hip hop. I'm no Sharpton fan, but he recently led a protest against 50 Cent's G Unit. Nope, no media coverage for that. Why would the media want to cover that? But they'll cover anything where Jackson or Sharpton talks about race issues. I read about the Sharpton protest on a hip hop website.

Whitlock is wrong again. He said that blacks can never get together without major issues, which is very far from the truth. Now he says that these guys don't protest real issues.

In reality we really don't know where these guys put their efforts, because the media only covers when they talk about race issues.

Whitlock needs to learn all the facts before he bashes people. But why would he do that, it would take away from his shock value.

It's a shame most posters don't get what you just said right here.

[-Slap-]

I will soon be marketing Official Orange Mane "Whiteys for Whitlock" T-shirts. They're going to come in Medium, Large, Extra Large and Whitlock sizes. The shirts will be available for people of all races, but white folks and self professed Uncle Toms will get a 10% discount.