What Do You All Think Of This Don Imus Situation?

[RhymesayersDU]

I won't find one of the numerous articles about this, as I assume most of you guys have already heard about it.

If not, basically Imus called the Rutgers Women's BBall team a group of "nappy headed ho's," among a few other things.

So, what do you guys think? Should the guy be fired?

[55CrushEm]

I won't find one of the numerous articles about this, as I assume most of you guys have already heard about it.

If not, basically Imus called the Rutgers Women's BBall team a group of "happy headed ho's," among a few other things.

So, what do you guys think? Should the guy be fired?

Don't you mean NAPPY headed ho's ?

Anyway.....I really don't care what happens to Imus.....I don't listen to him.

My only take is what ever happened to "Sticks and stones...."?

Everytime someone says something that "offends" a minority, people are calling for said person to be sued/fired, etc.......kind of sad.

[Barry Ramey]

Nah, I don't think he should be fired unless because of this, he loses viewers and his bosses think he needs to go. I don't believe in a forced firing here even though I do think Imus is an idiot who thinks he's funny when really he just isn't. I mean, what was the point of calling those women players that junk anyway? He doesn't even know them and they for all I know, law abiding citizens going to school and playing basketball. Why call them names, what did they do to deserve it? I have heard Imus some in the past and his show just never did much for me.

[cutthemdown]

I think it's all way overblown. If people are upset about it just don't listen to him anymore. I think it's funny that calling a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair, a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair is racist. It's like saying man that team is a bunch of rednecks, i bet they have overalls for practice uniforms. It may be classless and point to the fact you think those type of people are lessor then you are but it's the world we live in. We can't go around making a big deal out of everything someone says on TV or on the radio.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like listening to Imus when I am on the road. He says stuff like this all of the time. He is the least PC radio host this side of Stern. You should here the things he says about most politicians. The good the man does far out weighs any damage done by his off the cuff remarks. He and his wife work tirelessly for childrens cancer causes

[chaz]

i think he should definitely be fired...he just kicked that girls' team while they were already down after losing the NC...it seems as though he is well known for ignorant, thoughtless comments like this...but i dont know why anyone would want him representing their radio station, i know i wouldnt.

whether or not he gets fired is beside the point...i just dont like people like imus at all.

[bronco militia]

I think he should be fired for being white

[55CrushEm]

I think it's all way overblown. If people are upset about it just don't listen to him anymore. I think it's funny that calling a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair, a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair is racist. It's like saying man that team is a bunch of rednecks, i bet they have overalls for practice uniforms. It may be classless and point to the fact you think those type of people are lessor then you are but it's the world we live in. We can't go around making a big deal out of everything someone says on TV or on the radio.

LOL......maybe "nappy" is a racist term now? Perhaps he should have said "brillow pad headed" or "frizzy haired"....then it would have been ok ???

Then again, maybe it was "ho" that set them off. You see "ho" is racist, but "whore" would have been ok......so maybe it's a white man trying to use ebonics that set them off ???

I'm confused.......:afro:

[c_lazy_r]

I think he should be fired for being white

;D

[cutthemdown]

anything a white person says about a black person that is off color or provocative gets turned into a racist thing. Its not like IMUS ranches for kids with cancer don't let black kids in. Now that would be racist. Lets not water down what a racist is because it makes real racism get overlooked.

[-Slap-]

Imus has made comments like that for as long as he's been on the air. His sidekick/producer/yesman chimes in with harsher stuff than that. If this is actually a comedy show, then they should have a certain amount of latitude. I can't imagine why anyone would want to listen to a mean, drugged-out, old crank mumble his way through the news every morning, but clearly, there's an audience. If people want to voice their complaints, they should contact his sponsors.

It will all go away after his kisses Sharpton's ass and writes him a check.

[RhymesayersDU]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to listen to a mean, drugged-out, old crank mumble his way through the news every morning, but clearly, there's an audience.

So true. His show is terrible. I hope he gets fired because his show sucks so much.

[sirhcyennek81]

He can say what he likes. Some people agree with him, some dont. I think its funny that people will go nuts over nappy haired ho's, but wont bat an eye when they hold segments on sports radio about whether or not black atheletes are superior to whites...Then have demarco farr saying maybe he should sell his blood because its so valuable he is black. Its ****ing stupid.

:Broncos:

[Crushaholic]

Why did he pick on that particular team? There are a ton of teams who have minorities on them.

*Edit* OK, I see. Rutgers was in the championship game and Imus was talking about it. My take is if he should be fired, so should Howard Stern for his comments throughout the years. In reality, I think the producers are glad that Imus drew attention to his crappy show.

[Jason in LA]

Everytime someone says something that "offends" a minority, people are calling for said person to be sued/fired, etc.......kind of sad.

I'd say that it is sad that minorities were greatly offended and oppressed for pretty much this country's entire history. Its sad that it was acceptible behavior up until a short while ago. Minorities have finally foughten back, and have gotten some positive results.

[Garcia Bronco]

Don't you mean NAPPY headed ho's ?

Anyway.....I really don't care what happens to Imus.....I don't listen to him.

My only take is what ever happened to "Sticks and stones...."?

Everytime someone says something that "offends" a minority, people are calling for said person to be sued/fired, etc.......kind of sad.

AMEN

[Jason in LA]

I think it's funny that calling a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair, a bunch of tatooed girls with nappy hair is racist.

When I saw this thread I knew you'd make some type of comment like that. After all you are the resident racist. This is just one more example of your low opinion about the black race.

[Jason in LA]

anything a white person says about a black person that is off color or provocative gets turned into a racist thing.

After a good 350 years of getting away with that type of behavior, why wouldn't black people have a problem with it? I guess you'd think that black folks were just being sensitive over the whole Jim Crow image. We should have just taken that as good fun.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'd say that it is sad that minorities were greatly offended and oppressed for pretty much this country's entire history. Its sad that it was acceptible behavior up until a short while ago. Minorities have finally foughten back, and have gotten some positive results.

I'll remember that the next time I hear any number of black comedians go off on white folk and just about any other ethnic group.

[55CrushEm]

I'd say that it is sad that minorities were greatly offended and oppressed for pretty much this country's entire history. Its sad that it was acceptible behavior up until a short while ago. Minorities have finally foughten back, and have gotten some positive results.

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

But get over the "words" already. If whites were still lynching people, holding slaves, then you'd have a beef.

There are so many double-standards in this country, I want to puke.....

You can have the United Negro College Fund...but if I were to start the United Caucasian College fund, that would be racist right?

You can have the NAACP, but if I started the NAAWP, you'd have a problem....

It's okay to hire based on skin color, as long as the person is black.

It's okay to have a movie titled "White Men Can't Jump"....but if someone made a move called "Black Men Can't Skate or Swim", it would be racist.....

Notice a pattern?

50 years ago and beyond, black people had a legitimate gripe about civil rights (or lack there of)......but guess what? They WON that battle....we all have the same civil rights now.....and rightfully so.

What many have a problem with is the continuous whining by minorities. "But our ancestors had it so tough for so long." Guess what? The cold hard reality is that you have to move on, and make it better for the present and future.....stop whining about the past.

Bottom line is, Imus is an idiot. But to whail from the rooftop that the guy should be fired, shows only that you haven't moved on.....shrug your shoulders and say that some people are just idiots......as I said...."Sticks and stones...."

[55CrushEm]

I'll remember that the next time I hear any number of black comedians go off on white folk and just about any other ethnic group.

Bingo......as I said, double standards.

[Garcia Bronco]

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

But get over the "words" already. If whites were still lynching people, holding slaves, then you'd have a beef.

There are so many double-standards in this country, I want to puke.....

You can have the United Negro College Fund...but if I were to start the United Caucasian College fund, that would be racist right?

You can have the NAACP, but if I started the NAAWP, you'd have a problem....

It's okay to hire based on skin color, as long as the person is black.

It's okay to have a movie titled "White Men Can't Jump"....but if someone made a move called "Black Men Can't Skate or Swim", it would be racist.....

Notice a pattern?

50 years ago and beyond, black people had a legitimate gripe about civil rights (or lack there of)......but guess what? They WON that battle....we all have the same civil rights now.....and rightfully so.

What many have a problem with is the continuous whining by minorities. "But our ancestors had it so tough for so long." Guess what? The cold hard reality is that you have to move on, and make it better for the present and future.....stop whining about the past.

Bottom line is, Imus is an idiot. But to whail from the rooftop that the guy should be fired, shows only that you haven't moved on.....shrug your shoulders and say that some people are just idiots......as I said...."Sticks and stones...."



Exactly.

[Old Dude]

I'm afraid to ask, but what does "nappy-headed" mean?

[Los Broncos]

What he said was not cool. He should be punished in some way, shape or form. But will probably just get a slap on the hand.

[chickennob2]

LOL......maybe "nappy" is a racist term now? Perhaps he should have said "brillow pad headed" or "frizzy haired"....then it would have been ok ???

Then again, maybe it was "ho" that set them off. You see "ho" is racist, but "whore" would have been ok......so maybe it's a white man trying to use ebonics that set them off ???

I'm confused.......:afro:

Obviously, there are two sides to this. Like everything else, political correctness needs to be observed in moderation. It can get excessive, and it can be under enforced. That's the way life is.

Yes, he is calling women with nappy hair women with nappy hair. But when he is using that identification as a humorous term, he is making fun of them for their ethnicity. That is why this is racist. And his use of "ho" is meant to mock ebonics. The problem is that he automatically associates these women with ebonics solely because of their skin color.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Who the heck listens to Imus anymore anyway????? He's like two seconds from dying.

[Los Broncos]

I'm afraid to ask, but what does "nappy-headed" mean?

I think he was referring to African Americans. not cool.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm afraid to ask, but what does "nappy-headed" mean?

knotted hair in clumps...like dreads before they are refined.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think he was referring to African Americans. not cool.


Knappy hair can exist on anyone.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yes, he is calling women with nappy hair women with nappy hair. But when he is using that identification as a humorous term, he is making fun of them for their ethnicity. That is why this is racist. And his use of "ho" is meant to mock ebonics. The problem is that he automatically associates these women with ebonics solely because of their skin color.

So you would take the same opinion of Chris Rock? Should his show be taken off the air?

[Jason in LA]

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

But get over the "words" already. If whites were still lynching people, holding slaves, then you'd have a beef.

There are so many double-standards in this country, I want to puke.....

You can have the United Negro College Fund...but if I were to start the United Caucasian College fund, that would be racist right?

You can have the NAACP, but if I started the NAAWP, you'd have a problem....

It's okay to hire based on skin color, as long as the person is black.

It's okay to have a movie titled "White Men Can't Jump"....but if someone made a move called "Black Men Can't Skate or Swim", it would be racist.....

Notice a pattern?

50 years ago and beyond, black people had a legitimate gripe about civil rights (or lack there of)......but guess what? They WON that battle....we all have the same civil rights now.....and rightfully so.

What many have a problem with is the continuous whining by minorities. "But our ancestors had it so tough for so long." Guess what? The cold hard reality is that you have to move on, and make it better for the present and future.....stop whining about the past.

Bottom line is, Imus is an idiot. But to whail from the rooftop that the guy should be fired, shows only that you haven't moved on.....shrug your shoulders and say that some people are just idiots......as I said...."Sticks and stones...."

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.

I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.

[Los Broncos]

Knappy hair can exist on anyone.

i understand that, but Sharpton is getting involved.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

He's Imus, the guy is insane. He's been off his rocker for years now. I think he might be dead and is just used as a puppet now

[Garcia Bronco]

i understand that, but Sharpton is getting involved.


Sharpton is a opportunist idiot that hurts more people than he helps with his BS.

[Los Broncos]

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.

I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.


Black people have no right to be racist either.

[Jason in LA]

Bingo......as I said, double standards.

Okay, lets trade sides on that double standard. You get the perks that black people get, which isn't much. And black people get that perks that white people get. Lets see how many white folks would want to make a black joke that bad. Probably zero.

[Jason in LA]

Black people have no right to be racist either.


I never said, or impled, that black people did have the right to be racist.

[Garcia Bronco]

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.

I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.


You have every opportunity that I have and every opportunity that any one else has. The real gap is an economic one and the class system is the only wall in this day and age. In another 10-20 years....the generation alive in the 60's will be dying off....then hopefully the whining will stop, becuase the only thing that holds back any man is himself.

[55CrushEm]

I never said, or impled, that black people did have the right to be racist.

Yet I'm sure you're all for affirmative action, right? But affirmative action is, by definition, racist. Any policy based on race, is, well.....racist.

[Garcia Bronco]

And what are these "perks"? WTF is that about?

[Los Broncos]

I never said, or impled, that black people did have the right to be racist.

I know you didnt but, black people think the past gives them that right. And i do feel some what sorry for them, and comments towards them just fuels the fire even more. But something has to be done to say this inst ok to do, if your a racist just keep it to yourself.

[smalltowngrll]

I don't think what he said was funny. Probably why I don't listen to him. However, if I called him racist for all the things he said, then I'd have to call a lot of people on this forum racist for the way that some here talk about women!

I'd have to agree with cutthemdown. Lets focus on the things that are truly racist and leave the comedic words for those that choose to listen or not.

[Jason in LA]

To clarify what nappy hair is, it is hair that appears to be uncombed. I have only heard it used toward black people.

When these women are playing, there hair is going to look uncombed. That happens with black folks with longer hear. When we start to sweat, our hair will appear to be uncombed. It will appear to look nappy. Nobody wants nappy looking hair. The term nappy hair is used as an insult.

[Jason in LA]

Yet I'm sure you're all for affirmative action, right? But affirmative action is, by definition, racist. Any policy based on race, is, well.....racist.

You are making assumptions. I have not made one single comment on affirmative action. That has not come up in this thread. So I don't know why you are assuming that I am for it. I am for equality. Total equality.

[Los Broncos]

To clarify what nappy hair is, it is hair that appears to be uncombed. I have only heard it used toward black people.

When these women are playing, there hair is going to look uncombed. That happens with black folks with longer hear. When we start to sweat, our hair will appear to be uncombed. It will appear to look nappy. Nobody wants nappy looking hair. The term nappy hair is used as an insult.

Sounds right to me.

[Garcia Bronco]

To clarify what nappy hair is, it is hair that appears to be uncombed. I have only heard it used toward black people.

When these women are playing, there hair is going to look uncombed. That happens with black folks with longer hear. When we start to sweat, our hair will appear to be uncombed. It will appear to look nappy. Nobody wants nappy looking hair. The term nappy hair is used as an insult.

When I had dreads people would say I had knappy hair...all the time. It was an insult because I decided to present that look?

[Jason in LA]

You have every opportunity that I have and every opportunity that any one else has. The real gap is an economic one and the class system is the only wall in this day and age. In another 10-20 years....the generation alive in the 60's will be dying off....then hopefully the whining will stop, becuase the only thing that holds back any man is himself.

If there was equality, then you'd be right. But there are still racial injustices going on in this country. Many people don't have the same opportunity that others do. On paper, or in the legal books, they do. But in reality, they don't.

[Garcia Bronco]

If there was equality, then you'd be right. But there are still racial injustices going on in this country. Many people don't have the same opportunity that others do. On paper, or in the legal books, they do. But in reality, they don't.

There are always going to be opportunities others have that you or I don't have and it has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with economic status.

[Jason in LA]

When I had dreads people would say I had knappy hair...all the time. It was an insult because I decided to present that look?

Have you ever heard the phrase "comb your nappy ass hair"? It is an insult.

[Garcia Bronco]

Have you ever heard the phrase "comb your nappy ass hair"? It is an insult.

The told me to cut that knappy ass head...seriously....they were disgusting...but I am glad I had the opportunity to do what I wanted before MPB set in.

[GonzoLays]

Is it just me or are these type of threads popping up every other day? Some racist white man doing crazy racist things every week.

Someone needs to start a website called 'crazy white racists' so we can keep track of all their crazy hatred. It's crazy. If they ain't sentencing young black girls to seven years in prison for a shove, or calling Asian-Indian reporters 'monkeys', they are using racial slurs against good role models like NCAA basketball players who play for love of the sport, not money. It's out of control.

It's crazy out there.

[GonzoLays]

Sharpton is a opportunist idiot that hurts more people than he helps with his BS.

Are you so naive to believe that Sharpton is the only political opportunist out there?

[sirhcyennek81]

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.
I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.


Yes. Because no group of people on this earth has never not been slaves. What world do you live in man?


:Broncos:

[cutthemdown]

To clarify what nappy hair is, it is hair that appears to be uncombed. I have only heard it used toward black people.

When these women are playing, there hair is going to look uncombed. That happens with black folks with longer hear. When we start to sweat, our hair will appear to be uncombed. It will appear to look nappy. Nobody wants nappy looking hair. The term nappy hair is used as an insult.

I agree it was an insult Jason. But we have free speech and you can insult someone all you want. You make some lame argument about white people in order to tell jokes about black people we have to somehow give up the so called perks of being white? That's just stupid comment when people are trying to really discuss something. How is that even something that could be reasonable achieved. I go out and scream black jokes and when people get upset i just say no man i have given up the perks of the white man so i can make fun of you now? Anyways it's ok to make fun of people for how they look, dance, comb their hair, dress, smell, talk, walk, eat, drink whatever. Sometimes it will be outright insults. I just don't think we can have witch hunts for people every time a white person says something politically incorrect. Now if he tries to incite white people to go out and kill blacks I will be right there with you protesting him and fighting him. But until its that bad it's a free speech issue.

[Garcia Bronco]

Are you so naive to believe that Sharpton is the only political opportunist out there?

He is not...of that there is no doubt. There are 300 or so in Congress believe it or not...Sharpton just can't get elected.

[footstepsfrom#27]

http://www.bsnpubs.com/nyc/bang407.jpg

I'm guessing the "nappy headed ho's" at Rutgers are probably several dozen IQ points above this tool so if I gave a rat crap about him I'd probably say he ought to get canned. Frankly, I figured he was dead by now...no?

For the record I agree with Jason...but you already knew that anyway.

These threads solve...what? ???

[Garcia Bronco]

The sad thing is that Rutger's athletic program did a great job this season...that's what people should be talking about...no this garbage.

[cutthemdown]

My main thing is that IMUS is not a public official. He's not paid to provide a public service. He's only a radio show host that tries to get people to talk about issues and listen to his opinions on those issues. I suppose if black people want to picket MSNBC they can get him fired etc. I just think there are better issues for the black community to tackle far more important that what Imus thinks of the Rutgers girls basketball team.

[Tredici]

I think Imus is old, ugly and irrelevent.

[c_lazy_r]

Black people have no right to be racist either.

Now that's not fair. :)

[55CrushEm]

You are making assumptions. I have not made one single comment on affirmative action. That has not come up in this thread. So I don't know why you are assuming that I am for it. I am for equality. Total equality.

Good, so am I......and I'm glad, therefore, to hear you're AGAINST affirmative action.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Anyone know if these ladies on the Rutgers team are really "ho's" or not?

For all we know, they might be the loosest girls in the world. Maybe Imus knows 1st hand from a sordid Rutgers party? lol



If Chris Rock had a radio show and said the same thing - no harm no foul.

Hell, if Chris Rock had a radio show and said similar thing about a college team with primarily white female athletes (say field hockey or something) - again, no harm no foul.

Black comedians/celebrities can make any racial based joke they want and are rarely given grief for it. Most of the times they will make millions for it (see Rock for example) Not that I have any problem with that, I laugh at it like the next guy would.

But if a white comedian/celebrity makes the foolish mistake to make a racial based joke - its career suicide. I do feel this is a double standard in our society. Nothing I am going to get up in arms about, but certainly worth noting.



I think it was foolish for Imus to make those comments - and I also think the reaction is way overblown.

But seems to have gotten Imus and his show a heck of a lot of attention and free publicity. And maybe that was the point anyway

[55CrushEm]

You have every opportunity that I have and every opportunity that any one else has. The real gap is an economic one and the class system is the only wall in this day and age. In another 10-20 years....the generation alive in the 60's will be dying off....then hopefully the whining will stop, becuase the only thing that holds back any man is himself.

Yes, how true. Life is about individual choices, and it starts very young....even choices that we don't think of, or we might think of as insignificant at the time.

As an extreme example......say there are two 16 year old boys. One comes home from school every day and plays video games for 1 hour. The other uses that hour to read books on personal investing or starting some small business.

Let's assume the one who read the books becomes a multi-millionaire in 20 years, while the kid who played video games, earns a modest salary of $40k. Not to say that the video gamer COULDN'T do better, or that the reader will always become successful.....but the point is that we all make choices, and those choices, even the ones early on in our lives, can affect our lives way down the road.

The whining by minorites has to stop. As you say, Garcia, everyone has the same OPPORTUNITIES now. It's what they choose to do with their lives that will affect their status economically.

[55CrushEm]

Is it just me or are these type of threads popping up every other day? Some racist white man doing crazy racist things every week.

Yeah, pretty much because the media would never cover a story on the thousands of racist BLACK men doing crazy racist things every week.

[c_lazy_r]

Is it just me or are these type of threads popping up every other day? Some racist white man doing crazy racist things every week.

Someone needs to start a website called 'crazy white racists' so we can keep track of all their crazy hatred. It's crazy. If they ain't sentencing young black girls to seven years in prison for a shove, or calling Asian-Indian reporters 'monkeys', they are using racial slurs against good role models like NCAA basketball players who play for love of the sport, not money. It's out of control.

It's crazy out there.

Yea, that would be a good, no GREAT idea. We could start tracking the whites/blacks/other minorities on all kinds of crazy stuff. For example, crazy drug dealers, crazy rapists, crazy killers, crazy identity thieves, etc. Then every month we could compare notes and sing Kumbaya (sp). That would help bring everyone together, I'm sure.

[-Slap-]

I don't think what he said was funny. Probably why I don't listen to him. However, if I called him racist for all the things he said, then I'd have to call a lot of people on this forum racist for the way that some here talk about women!


Or you could call them sexist, which would be applicable.

I would say Imus calling these young women whores is at least as offensive as any racial interpretation of his comments.

[cutthemdown]

Or you could call them sexist, which would be applicable.

I would say Imus calling these young women whores is at least as offensive as any racial interpretation of his comments.

I think that is the worst part of it.

[Dukes]

If the TV announcer for the U got fired for what he said during Miami's brawl earlier this season, then Imus should get fired. They shouldn't have a show if they say something so stupid.

[OrangeShadow]

You know, this is what i hate about society today, and i dont mean imus' racial insults. I mean the fact that every racial activist comes out of the woodwork over a mildly controversial statement.
I think he should sincerley apologize for his statement and i dont approve what he said at all but people need to calm down.
God people over react way to much now a days.

[TDmvp]

/snore
yea this is a real story ...
no ...
this is a who cares story ...
the sooner we are above this type of $hit
the soon we can get along as a people ...


i have long nappy hair like almost to my a$$ and damn curly ... and have been called nappy before ... didnt know they was calling me black ...

/lame

... i wish everyone would just get over themselfs ...

yup im white ... and if you hate me cuz im white .. fine ... your call
but ill never hate anyone cuz of what they are ...
be it race , job , politics , sexual pref .....etc..

you can find better reason to hate someone then things that person cant change ... if your a hater ...

[azbroncfan]

Don't you mean NAPPY headed ho's ?

Anyway.....I really don't care what happens to Imus.....I don't listen to him.

My only take is what ever happened to "Sticks and stones...."?

Everytime someone says something that "offends" a minority, people are calling for said person to be sued/fired, etc.......kind of sad.

Agreed, although it gives the REVERAND Sharpton and Jackson something to do.

[TDmvp]

as far as imus ... tho girls should care less what a old stiff crusty white dude says ... his words do nothing to take away from what those girls really did and thats damn near win it all and thats KILLER ... i worst part is this was made into such a fuss that those girls have to deal with it ... like they needed this crap ...

[Paladin]

What do I think about it? How much does the Rev want to make himself feel good? Tempest in a teapot.

Imus is a mouthy, pithy numbnut who likes to generate controversy. He's a reflection of an idiotic nonsensical sub-culture much like Mush "Meds are Good" Limpballs reflects war-mongering, Christian paranoids.

I do not pay attention to either of them for good reason: they both suck.....

[Obushma]

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.

I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.

This post...This one I just quoted, is the exact reason most minorities have a problem with blacks. Black people have their asses kissed daily while other minorities in this country are trying to get equality amoungst all races.

Jason, for you to say that most other minorities still have a problem is you just showing the rest of the Mane that you dont know **** about "other minorities". The truth of the matter is you dont give a **** about other races, you're in it for the blacks.

You still havent gotten back to that post where we talked about how black people like Bill Cosbey and Bryant Gumbal are uncles toms to some blacks.

See, imo, there are two types of black people. One, the type who get off their asses, make a name for themselves and their families, rise above the horrible oppression that they endured, and become a good member of society. Then you have the others who blame everyone but themselves for the situation they are in, they hold down and belittle blacks that have risen above the bs, these blacks will never get over slavery.

[Cito Pelon]

Dude's a jackass a lot. Mean-spirited egomaniac. He knows he stepped in it this time. He picks on a lot of people, though. He crosses the line of decency a lot. Actually McGurk does.

It's still the best place to get news. No place else has the number of correspondents and politiicians on regularly. You just have to sort through the garbage.

[Los Broncos]

Now that's not fair. :)

Whats not fair about it?

[Jason in LA]

I know you didnt but, black people think the past gives them that right. And i do feel some what sorry for them, and comments towards them just fuels the fire even more. But something has to be done to say this inst ok to do, if your a racist just keep it to yourself.

Black people, as a group, do not think it is okay to be racist toward white people. There are some individuals who feel that way, but it is unfair to put that on the entire race.

[Jason in LA]

There are always going to be opportunities others have that you or I don't have and it has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with economic status.

Think of it like this. If I made all the right moves, and went down the proper career path, I could never become the President of the United States. Nobody in my race will be the President for a very, very, very long time. That has everything to do with my race.

[Williams]

I've never listened to Imus, but heard about this story today. No doubt what he said was wrong, and I dont have a problem with his suspension.

I think a big issue here is the double standard. Young black women have been, and continue to be called far far worse things in Billboard chart topping rap lyrics.

Where are Jackson and Sharpton in those cases?

...I never heard of either picketing Snoop Dogg's record label.... but maybe I'm wrong. ???

[Jason in LA]

Is it just me or are these type of threads popping up every other day? Some racist white man doing crazy racist things every week.

Someone needs to start a website called 'crazy white racists' so we can keep track of all their crazy hatred. It's crazy. If they ain't sentencing young black girls to seven years in prison for a shove, or calling Asian-Indian reporters 'monkeys', they are using racial slurs against good role models like NCAA basketball players who play for love of the sport, not money. It's out of control.

It's crazy out there.


After the racist white man insults a minority person, other white folks will defend him and act like he is the victim, not the person who he insulted. They will turn their frustration onto the group that was insulted. Perfect example, this thread.

[Jason in LA]

I've never listened to Imus, but heard about this story today. No doubt what he said was wrong, and I dont have a problem with his suspension.

I think a big issue here is the double standard. Young black women have been, and continue to be called far far worse things in Billboard chart topping rap lyrics.

Where are Jackson and Sharpton in those cases?

...I never heard of either picketing Snoop Dogg's record label.... but maybe I'm wrong. ???

The big issue is what he did say. Lets not down play that.

As for protests over rap music, there has been efforts. There have been protests. Black leaders have spoken out about it, and made efforts to stop it. Just because you haven't heard or seen those efforts doesn't mean that there haven't been any efforts.

[-Slap-]

Agreed, although it gives the REVERAND Sharpton and Jackson something to do.

Besides campaigning for guys like Sharpe James.

People interested in the different ways the media covers inflammatory public speech should rent (or buy) Street Fight by Marshall Curry. (http://www.marshallcurry.com/)

Its a documentary that chronicles the 2002 mayoral race in Newark, NJ between Cory Booker, a 33-year old Rhodes Scholar/Yale Law graduate and Sharpe James, the 66-year old four-term incumbent.

Cory Booker was born to middle class parents who were active in the civil rights struggle of the 60s. Instead of using his advanced education to become rich, Booker moved into a building in the crime ridden ward he represented as a city councilman and decided to run for mayor of Newark.

I won't catalog the number of dirty tricks James employed during the campaign, but I can tell you some of the things he said about his opponent. He called him "a Republican who took money from the KKK." He told a group of his supporters Booker accepted money from the Taliban. He told Booker's supporters, their candidate was "collaborating with the Jews to take over Newark." He told Booker, a very light skinned black man, to his face he was, "a ****** white boy."

This was all stuff James was willing to say on the record!

Booker and his supporters were incredulous that James was rarely taken to task in the local media, although, the New Jersey and New York papers both endorsed Booker's candidacy.

Why was there no national media outrage over such hateful and inflammatory comments from the mayor of an American city with almost 300,000 citizens? Better yet, why were Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson throwing their full support behind the mayor?

Is an elected official of a major city held to such a lower standard than some cokehead disc jockey?

Why?

[Jason in LA]

I agree it was an insult Jason. But we have free speech and you can insult someone all you want. You make some lame argument about white people in order to tell jokes about black people we have to somehow give up the so called perks of being white? That's just stupid comment when people are trying to really discuss something. How is that even something that could be reasonable achieved. I go out and scream black jokes and when people get upset i just say no man i have given up the perks of the white man so i can make fun of you now? Anyways it's ok to make fun of people for how they look, dance, comb their hair, dress, smell, talk, walk, eat, drink whatever. Sometimes it will be outright insults. I just don't think we can have witch hunts for people every time a white person says something politically incorrect. Now if he tries to incite white people to go out and kill blacks I will be right there with you protesting him and fighting him. But until its that bad it's a free speech issue.

So I guess we should just STFU and let white people crap all over us. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd complain.

[Dedhed]

I've heard Imus call whites "nappy-headed bastards", and the like.

[Jason in LA]

Yes. Because no group of people on this earth has never not been slaves. What world do you live in man?


:Broncos:

Okay, I guess that lets white America off the hook. Other societies did it, so its not that bad.

[Rock Chalk]

When I saw this thread I knew you'd make some type of comment like that. After all you are the resident racist. This is just one more example of your low opinion about the black race.

Wait, so they dont have tattoos and dont have nappy hair? Here's a clue, not all black people have great hair, some got nappy hair. Funny how that works see because some white folk got nappy hair too. Nappy hair does not equate to black people and only a racist would take it that way. I dont know if that cat you were talkign to is racist, he may be, but what he said was not racist.

Quite frankly, I thought that the women that played for Rutgers were white. I was under the impression that black women in this country were being prevented from going to school. I mean, reading your takes and all I didnt think they [white people] allowed black women at college.

[Jason in LA]

My main thing is that IMUS is not a public official. He's not paid to provide a public service. He's only a radio show host that tries to get people to talk about issues and listen to his opinions on those issues. I suppose if black people want to picket MSNBC they can get him fired etc. I just think there are better issues for the black community to tackle far more important that what Imus thinks of the Rutgers girls basketball team.

You say that like the black community isn't trying to tackle those other issues. We are smart enough to multitask.

[Rock Chalk]

Okay, I guess that lets white America off the hook. Other societies did it, so its not that bad.

You know white people that have had slaves?

BEcause I dont know any white people with slaves.

[Rock Chalk]

****ing racist Jason blaming white people alive today for the actions of white people in the past and completely disregarding his own people's selling of black people to white slave traders.

This just in: All people of all races have ****ty ****heads in them and judging "white America" by the actions of a small minority of slave owners 150 ****ing years ago is racism.

[Jason in LA]

Anyone know if these ladies on the Rutgers team are really "ho's" or not?

For all we know, they might be the loosest girls in the world. Maybe Imus knows 1st hand from a sordid Rutgers party? lol



If Chris Rock had a radio show and said the same thing - no harm no foul.

Hell, if Chris Rock had a radio show and said similar thing about a college team with primarily white female athletes (say field hockey or something) - again, no harm no foul.

Black comedians/celebrities can make any racial based joke they want and are rarely given grief for it. Most of the times they will make millions for it (see Rock for example) Not that I have any problem with that, I laugh at it like the next guy would.

But if a white comedian/celebrity makes the foolish mistake to make a racial based joke - its career suicide. I do feel this is a double standard in our society. Nothing I am going to get up in arms about, but certainly worth noting.



I think it was foolish for Imus to make those comments - and I also think the reaction is way overblown.

But seems to have gotten Imus and his show a heck of a lot of attention and free publicity. And maybe that was the point anyway


You are right. Black comics can get away with a lot more that white comics can. I guess that's one of the few perks of being black.

But at the same time, a white girl can burn down her parents house, and only get probation, while the same exact judge will sentence a black girl to 7 years for shoving a white person...who wasn't even injured.

So tell me, which perk would you prefer? I'd like to trade if that's okay with you.

[Jason in LA]

Yeah, pretty much because the media would never cover a story on the thousands of racist BLACK men doing crazy racist things every week.

You're going to have to give some examples of that one.

I'm not saying that there are no racist black people, but I think you are over stating that by a lot. You say that like white people should run for the hills when they see a black person.

[Rock Chalk]

You are right. Black comics can get away with a lot more that white comics can. I guess that's one of the few perks of being black.

But at the same time, a white girl can burn down her parents house, and only get probation, while the same exact judge will sentence a black girl to 7 years for shoving a white person...who wasn't even injured.

So tell me, which perk would you prefer? I'd like to trade if that's okay with you.

Thats apples and oranges. Comparing black comic racism to someone with legal authority to be racist.

Why dont you compare the black comic calling white people crackers to the white comic calling black people the n word. Thats a comparison. Do you like it? Hell no you dont and you shouldnt. No more than white people enjoy being referred to as crackers.

There is no "trade" and there is no "perk". Its ****ing racism.

[RkyMtnThunder]

You are right. Black comics can get away with a lot more that white comics can. I guess that's one of the few perks of being black.

But at the same time, a white girl can burn down her parents house, and only get probation, while the same exact judge will sentence a black girl to 7 years for shoving a white person...who wasn't even injured.

So tell me, which perk would you prefer? I'd like to trade if that's okay with you.

That wasnt my full point. Its that a white man cannot say some things a black man says in public without catching hell for it.

A different example; young black men refer to each other as '****as'. But if I said the same, I would be labeled racist and likely be physically threatened.

These same black men can jokingly refer to me as any host of racial slurrs and I am expected to not be offended (I am not - truly I understand jest and can take a joke, but they have no idea my reaction when they 1st speak - nor do they seem to care)

And that is a double standard in our society. And thats all I was pointing out.

Yes - that girl who got 7 years for a shove - disgraceful and the judge should lose his job and her family handsomely reinbursed.

I am in no way shape or form trying to 'excuse' any form of racism (by either side) or to deny its existence in America.

But in the same light - people of all color should be able to not let some old ass windbags comments get under their skin. Blow it off, Imus doesnt deserve the attention of having people lower themselves to his level by being upset about what the jerk said. Jerks say jerky things. What else is new?

[Jason in LA]

This post...This one I just quoted, is the exact reason most minorities have a problem with blacks. Black people have their asses kissed daily while other minorities in this country are trying to get equality amoungst all races.

Jason, for you to say that most other minorities still have a problem is you just showing the rest of the Mane that you dont know **** about "other minorities". The truth of the matter is you dont give a **** about other races, you're in it for the blacks.

You still havent gotten back to that post where we talked about how black people like Bill Cosbey and Bryant Gumbal are uncles toms to some blacks.

See, imo, there are two types of black people. One, the type who get off their asses, make a name for themselves and their families, rise above the horrible oppression that they endured, and become a good member of society. Then you have the others who blame everyone but themselves for the situation they are in, they hold down and belittle blacks that have risen above the bs, these blacks will never get over slavery.


That's BS. Black people fight for rights, and include all minorities in that battle, and now we're looked at like we need our asses kissed? That problem seems to be on your end. If other groups do not choose to fight for their rights, that's there problem. But don't crap on black people because many of us won't put up with that BS.

And I, like many other blacks, got an education, and we are making a name for ourselves. We are trying to solve the problem. I don't just blame white people, and I've said that many times. I have never put all of our problems on white America, even though you may think I have. I even agree with Bill Cosby. But at the same time, I'm not about to let white people skate for what they have done, and what some of them are still doing.

Since I have done right in life, meaning I went to college, I have a job, and I do right in the community, I have every right to complain about BS like this. If some thug, who was part of the problem, was complaining, I entrertain any thing that he had to say. But for the those of us who are doing right, we have every right to complain, and we should complain.

If other minorities want to take it up the ass, that's on you guys. But don't hate us for fighting for rights that other minorities have benifitted from.

[Jason in LA]

Thats apples and oranges. Comparing black comic racism to someone with legal authority to be racist.

Why dont you compare the black comic calling white people crackers to the white comic calling black people the n word. Thats a comparison. Do you like it? Hell no you dont and you shouldnt. No more than white people enjoy being referred to as crackers.

There is no "trade" and there is no "perk". Its ****ing racism.

The point is that white people complain when they can get away with a lot more than what black people can get away with.

For the record, I have never said that it was right for black comics to make fun of white people.

[Jason in LA]

That wasnt my full point. Its that a white man cannot say some things a black man says in public without catching hell for it.

A different example; young black men refer to each other as '****as'. But if I said the same, I would be labeled racist and likely be physically threatened.

These same black men can jokingly refer to me as any host of racial slurrs and I am expected to not be offended (I am not - truly I understand jest and can take a joke, but they have no idea my reaction when they 1st speak - nor do they seem to care)

Yes - that girl who got 7 years for a shove - disgraceful and the judge should lose his job and her family handsomely reinbursed.

I am in no way shape or form trying to 'excuse' any form of racism (by either side) or to deny its existence in America.

But in the same light - people of all color should be able to take a joke and not let some old ass windbags comments get under their skin. Blow it off, Imus doesnt deserve the attention of having people lower themselves to his level by being upset about what the jerk said. Jerks say jerky things. What else is new?

You go ahead and take insults as a joke and just laugh it off. I'm proud that my race doesn't take that crap.

Do you understand why black people don't just laugh those things off. Those type of comments didn't use to be jokes. That type of stuff used to be said all the time, and it was used to keep an entire race as second class citizens.

[yerner]

He's an old idiot hack. His ratings suck. This is the most anyone's ever talked about his stupid act.

[RkyMtnThunder]

You go ahead and take insults as a joke and just laugh it off. I'm proud that my race doesn't take that crap.

Do you understand why black people don't just laugh those things off. Those type of comments didn't use to be jokes. That type of stuff used to be said all the time, and it was used to keep an entire race as second class citizens.

Whatever man

I am just not going to get my panties in a bunch whenever someone says something I dont care to hear.

Life is too short to dwell on what other people say or think, especially if its negative.

I dont care what color you are - dwelling on negative comments the way folks are dwelling on the Imus thing is a waste of time and energy. What becomes of it? Honestly? Awareness? Awareness of what, Imus being an asshole? Most everyone knows this already.

[-Slap-]

Jason, the real problem when you start sanctioning the speech in what is (supposedly) a comedy show is what is the line? More important, who sets the line?

Was White Men Can't Jump a funny movie? I thought it was and there was racial humor directed at everybody in that film. I guess Ron Shelton got away with it because he inserted it into a clever script. All I know is the black people I saw the movie with were laughing hard when Woody called Wesley and his buddies "a bunch of Farrakhan disciples".

Now maybe Al and Jesse will make some money off this whole Imus thing, but nobody else is going to benefit in the slightest.

Who knows, maybe we'll become so sensitive as a society that eventually black comedians will have their speech censored, too. That's going to suck for Chris Rock and all his fans, not to mention his joke writers of all races.

"You know the world's gone mad when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance and the Germans don't want to go to war!"

Chris Rock~

[-Slap-]

For the record, I have never said that it was right for black comics to make fun of white people.

But it is alright. White people are funny. Black people are funny, too.

If you've never laughed at some black comedian adopting a high nasally voice while pretending to act like a dorky white guy, you're an incredible rarity.

I wonder if everybody did this if Will Smith would simply evaporate into thin air. Its certainly worth a shot.

[footstepsfrom#27]

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etimus0410,0,2299536.story?coll=ny-moviereview-headlines

Don Imus suspended for two weeks

After appearing on Al Sharpton's radio show to apologize again, CBS and MSNBC announce discipline for comment.

BY VERNE GAY
Newsday Staff Writer

The I-Man has been shelved.

Both CBS and NBC Monday slapped a two-week suspension on Don Imus' popular program amid a gathering chorus of calls for his resignation or firing in the wake of the now-notorious comment about the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

"Due to the events of the past week, CBS Radio will suspend Don Imus and the broadcast of his show for a period of two weeks, effective Monday, April 16," according to a terse statement released late Monday by the radio broadcaster that owns "Imus in the Morning." The CBS announcement came a little less than an hour after NBC's -- which was effectively rendered redundant when CBS pulled the plug.

Indeed, NBC tried to get out in front of the fast-growing controversy by announcing the suspension on its highest-profile broadcast, "NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams," which opened Monday night's program with its own announcement.

Both broadcast giants Monday suddenly found themselves in the crosshairs of increasingly vocal critics who were calling for Imus' resignation, including among the harshest the New York State NAACP and the New York Chapter of the Coalition of One Hundred Black Women, which will stage a rally Tuesday morning at 30 Rockefeller Plaza to demand his firing.

"We want to make sure he's no longer on the air," said Hazel Dukes, president of the New York State NAACP said in a phone interview Monday before the suspensions had been announced. "He's outlived his usefulness."

She added that Julian Bond, chairman of the NAACP, will request a meeting with the presidents of both NBC and CBS. MSNBC simulcasts his CBS-owned radio show, "Imus in the Morning," which originates from WFAN's studios in Astoria.

In its statement, NBC said Imus' program was pulled "after careful consideration in the days since his racist, abhorrent comments were made. Don Imus has expressed profound regret and embarrassment and has made a commitment to listen to all of those who have raised legitimate expressions of outrage," while adding that "our future relationship with Imus is contingent on his ability to live up to his word."

Imus took his own defense to the airwaves Monday morning, first apologizing again on his own radio show and later, on Sharpton's nationally syndicated program. Unaccustomed to contrition, Imus was occasionally prickly during the Sharpton program: "I didn't come here to get slapped around," he snapped at one point to a journalist who was also a guest on the show and it did little to mollify his sharpest critics.

Holland Cooke, a veteran radio industry consultant with Cleveland-based McVay Media, said after listening to the Sharpton interview, that Imus "sounded genuinely unglued," adding: "This may have been the Don Imus 'used by' date. He may now have expired."

Others disputed that, however. "My initial reaction is that [the suspensions] is something both companies felt they needed to do in the midst of a firestorm and will probably allow everybody to step away from the table and review this whole situation with cooler heads," said Al Peterson, news/talk/sports radio editor for the West Coast-based radio industry bible, "Radio & Records."

Imus' exchange with Sharpton Monday was often testy, and at one point he angrily exclaimed to Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick -- a Michigan Democrat and member of the House Appropriations Committee as well as chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, who was also on the show -- "I can't get anywhere with you people."

Sharpton then jumped in saying, "Who is 'you people ... ?'"

Imus countered: "That's jive - I mean you two people. You said you were going to be fair. Keep your word."

Voice rising, Sharpton then replied, "I'm in charge here. I asked you a question."

Alternately contrite and combative, Imus clearly didn't study the standard playbook that's been well thumbed by any number of celebrities caught in verbal indiscretions over the years, most recently Michael Richards. (Both he and Sharpton will appear Tuesday morning on the "Today" show, while Imus is the scheduled guest on "Larry King Live").

Hatless and hair neatly combed, he spoke Monday morning during his own radio program - simulcast on MSNBC - when he said he was "embarrassed" by comments last week while later noting, "I'm not a bad person. I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing. But these young women deserve to know it was not said with malice."

During the interview, Sharpton kept pushing him for accountability, saying "It can't just be glossed over; if you walk away from this unscathed, the next guy can."

"Unscathed!" Imus responded sharply. "Don't you think I'm humiliated? Don't you think I'm embarrassed? Don't you think I understand?" He then referred to his ranch in New Mexico, where he has cared for underprivileged children over the years: "Our job at that ranch is to restore the dignity of these young people. What made me think I could make fun of these young women?"

Sharpton later wondered "Why do you think we're out of order asking for a resignation." Said Imus, "You have the right to do whatever you want, but anyone who called me a racist or a bigot or said 'I don't know anything about him' or 'I've never heard him but I want him fired,' that's an ill-informed decision."

Bryan Monroe, the president of the National Association of Black Journalists, also appeared on the show and at one point abruptly challenged Imus while he was talking about the work he had done raising money for sickle cell anemia research, saying that magazines he had worked for had been calling for sickle cell research back when Imus "was doing car commercials."

Imus then angrily responded, "Sir, sir, you can keep talking all you want don't insult me. Don't talk to me about used car commercials. ... You don't have to get in my face with this. I don't have to put up with this man getting in my face."

Within seconds, Sharpton broke for a commercial.

[RhymesayersDU]

Interesting. I wonder why the suspension doesn't start until next week?

[Tombstone RJ]

Think of it like this. If I made all the right moves, and went down the proper career path, I could never become the President of the United States. Nobody in my race will be the President for a very, very, very long time. That has everything to do with my race.

Dude, that is not true. I know Colin Powell could get elected right now, but he's too smart to run for the Presidency. I'd vote for Powell in a heart beat.:peace:

[BroncoInferno]

See, imo, there are two types of black people. One, the type who get off their asses, make a name for themselves and their families, rise above the horrible oppression that they endured, and become a good member of society. Then you have the others who blame everyone but themselves for the situation they are in, they hold down and belittle blacks that have risen above the bs, these blacks will never get over slavery.

Thank you for narrowing the black community down to two easily identifiable categories. Really simplifies things. What are your views on Hispanics?

[RMT]

Anyone know if these ladies on the Rutgers team are really "ho's" or not?

For all we know, they might be the loosest girls in the world. Maybe Imus knows 1st hand from a sordid Rutgers party? lol



If Chris Rock had a radio show and said the same thing - no harm no foul.

Hell, if Chris Rock had a radio show and said similar thing about a college team with primarily white female athletes (say field hockey or something) - again, no harm no foul.

Black comedians/celebrities can make any racial based joke they want and are rarely given grief for it. Most of the times they will make millions for it (see Rock for example) Not that I have any problem with that, I laugh at it like the next guy would.

But if a white comedian/celebrity makes the foolish mistake to make a racial based joke - its career suicide. I do feel this is a double standard in our society. Nothing I am going to get up in arms about, but certainly worth noting.



I think it was foolish for Imus to make those comments - and I also think the reaction is way overblown.

But seems to have gotten Imus and his show a heck of a lot of attention and free publicity. And maybe that was the point anyway

You hit the nail on the head - it's the liberal left, too, that is always demanding "freedom of speech" ... of course, it's until the speech offends someone - then it's a problem. Total hypocrisy.

[REB]

Wow. The new PC, anti-free speech version of a lynching. Unbelievable.

He is not a racist. He is not a bigot. He has a big heart. He runs a comedy show that insults EVERYBODY for a laugh, especially himself! I saw that show live on MSNBC and didn't even think twice about that comment. I *EXPECT* such outrageous comments from that show. He quickly recognized that this comment although not meant with malice was hurtful to some and he has Appologized for it. That should be the end of it. Period.

Were it not for African American "leaders" to whip up animosity, this whole thing would quickly blow over. Frankly, I am SICK AND TIRED of the hypocrisy of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Where is their strong public outrage, condemnation and boycott of the racist, sexist, and offensive to some I'm sure show's like "Def Comedy Jam", "The Bad Boys of Comedy" and most rap artists? These shows/acts are far worse than ANYTHING Don Imus has ever said on air.

Remember the Jessie Jackson "Hymie Town" comment? Should Jessie Jackson never be allowed to be a minister anymore? Quit the Rainbow Push Coalition? Of course not. Everybody has said something they regret. They apologize and we move on.

Tomorrow morning, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Don Imus should each resume doing the good things that they do. And, EVERYONE should stop calling for Don Imus' head on a plate. And, if Don Imus is fired, I am going to lose some level of sympathy for African American causes. This extreme sensitivity and overreaction MUST STOP!

[Tombstone RJ]

You are right. Black comics can get away with a lot more that white comics can. I guess that's one of the few perks of being black.

But at the same time, a white girl can burn down her parents house, and only get probation, while the same exact judge will sentence a black girl to 7 years for shoving a white person...who wasn't even injured.

So tell me, which perk would you prefer? I'd like to trade if that's okay with you.

How come Al Sharpton isn't jumping all over this judge in East Texas?

I think your right in that there appears to be a biggot in the court house, and that is NOT right.

But, where is Sharpton, where is Jackson? If they got involved, I haven't heard about it. Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think these Black leaders have done a thing for this girl.

[sirhcyennek81]

Thank you for narrowing the black community down to two easily identifiable categories. Really simplifies things. What are your views on Hispanics?


His point stands for anyone. All people can be divided into two groups, those who do, and those who dont. Color does not exempt you from this.


:Broncos:

[REB]

And besides, are not Sharpton and Jackson "Revs"? What ever happened to Jesus' teaching on forgiveness? They could care less what Jesus said. They have their own personal agendas to push forward to listen to what Jesus has to say. Oy Vey

[BroncoInferno]

His point stands for anyone. All people can be divided into two groups, those who do, and those who dont. Color does not exempt you from this.


:Broncos:

Glad to know there are no gray areas in life. Thanks for the tip.

[Garcia Bronco]

Think of it like this. If I made all the right moves, and went down the proper career path, I could never become the President of the United States. Nobody in my race will be the President for a very, very, very long time. That has everything to do with my race.

And ther are millions of other Americans that won't be President either, but there will be a black man President one day...and don't look now...one guy is getting serious consideration and he hasn't barely a lick of experience and about zero platform. Sure...you'll have people not vote for him because he's black...and you'll have others that will vote for him because he's black. But Obama wouldn't be where he is with the attitude you are displaying. People white, black, or whatever are told everyday by other people they aren't good enough, smart enough, or enough of anything to matter...it is the strong person who uses that to fuel their dreams and propel themselves above the rest...and it has nothing to do with their color of skin...and everything to do with individual fortitude.

[Tombstone RJ]

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etimus0410,0,2299536.story?coll=ny-moviereview-headlines

Don Imus suspended for two weeks

After appearing on Al Sharpton's radio show to apologize again, CBS and MSNBC announce discipline for comment.

BY VERNE GAY
Newsday Staff Writer

The I-Man has been shelved.

Both CBS and NBC Monday slapped a two-week suspension on Don Imus' popular program amid a gathering chorus of calls for his resignation or firing in the wake of the now-notorious comment about the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

"Due to the events of the past week, CBS Radio will suspend Don Imus and the broadcast of his show for a period of two weeks, effective Monday, April 16," according to a terse statement released late Monday by the radio broadcaster that owns "Imus in the Morning." The CBS announcement came a little less than an hour after NBC's -- which was effectively rendered redundant when CBS pulled the plug.

Indeed, NBC tried to get out in front of the fast-growing controversy by announcing the suspension on its highest-profile broadcast, "NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams," which opened Monday night's program with its own announcement.

Both broadcast giants Monday suddenly found themselves in the crosshairs of increasingly vocal critics who were calling for Imus' resignation, including among the harshest the New York State NAACP and the New York Chapter of the Coalition of One Hundred Black Women, which will stage a rally Tuesday morning at 30 Rockefeller Plaza to demand his firing.

"We want to make sure he's no longer on the air," said Hazel Dukes, president of the New York State NAACP said in a phone interview Monday before the suspensions had been announced. "He's outlived his usefulness."

She added that Julian Bond, chairman of the NAACP, will request a meeting with the presidents of both NBC and CBS. MSNBC simulcasts his CBS-owned radio show, "Imus in the Morning," which originates from WFAN's studios in Astoria.

In its statement, NBC said Imus' program was pulled "after careful consideration in the days since his racist, abhorrent comments were made. Don Imus has expressed profound regret and embarrassment and has made a commitment to listen to all of those who have raised legitimate expressions of outrage," while adding that "our future relationship with Imus is contingent on his ability to live up to his word."

Imus took his own defense to the airwaves Monday morning, first apologizing again on his own radio show and later, on Sharpton's nationally syndicated program. Unaccustomed to contrition, Imus was occasionally prickly during the Sharpton program: "I didn't come here to get slapped around," he snapped at one point to a journalist who was also a guest on the show and it did little to mollify his sharpest critics.

Holland Cooke, a veteran radio industry consultant with Cleveland-based McVay Media, said after listening to the Sharpton interview, that Imus "sounded genuinely unglued," adding: "This may have been the Don Imus 'used by' date. He may now have expired."

Others disputed that, however. "My initial reaction is that [the suspensions] is something both companies felt they needed to do in the midst of a firestorm and will probably allow everybody to step away from the table and review this whole situation with cooler heads," said Al Peterson, news/talk/sports radio editor for the West Coast-based radio industry bible, "Radio & Records."

Imus' exchange with Sharpton Monday was often testy, and at one point he angrily exclaimed to Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick -- a Michigan Democrat and member of the House Appropriations Committee as well as chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, who was also on the show -- "I can't get anywhere with you people."

Sharpton then jumped in saying, "Who is 'you people ... ?'"

Imus countered: "That's jive - I mean you two people. You said you were going to be fair. Keep your word."

Voice rising, Sharpton then replied, "I'm in charge here. I asked you a question."

Alternately contrite and combative, Imus clearly didn't study the standard playbook that's been well thumbed by any number of celebrities caught in verbal indiscretions over the years, most recently Michael Richards. (Both he and Sharpton will appear Tuesday morning on the "Today" show, while Imus is the scheduled guest on "Larry King Live").

Hatless and hair neatly combed, he spoke Monday morning during his own radio program - simulcast on MSNBC - when he said he was "embarrassed" by comments last week while later noting, "I'm not a bad person. I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing. But these young women deserve to know it was not said with malice."

During the interview, Sharpton kept pushing him for accountability, saying "It can't just be glossed over; if you walk away from this unscathed, the next guy can."

"Unscathed!" Imus responded sharply. "Don't you think I'm humiliated? Don't you think I'm embarrassed? Don't you think I understand?" He then referred to his ranch in New Mexico, where he has cared for underprivileged children over the years: "Our job at that ranch is to restore the dignity of these young people. What made me think I could make fun of these young women?"

Sharpton later wondered "Why do you think we're out of order asking for a resignation." Said Imus, "You have the right to do whatever you want, but anyone who called me a racist or a bigot or said 'I don't know anything about him' or 'I've never heard him but I want him fired,' that's an ill-informed decision."

Bryan Monroe, the president of the National Association of Black Journalists, also appeared on the show and at one point abruptly challenged Imus while he was talking about the work he had done raising money for sickle cell anemia research, saying that magazines he had worked for had been calling for sickle cell research back when Imus "was doing car commercials."

Imus then angrily responded, "Sir, sir, you can keep talking all you want don't insult me. Don't talk to me about used car commercials. ... You don't have to get in my face with this. I don't have to put up with this man getting in my face."

Within seconds, Sharpton broke for a commercial.

I bet Howard Stern is lov'n this stuff.

Now Mr. Sharpton, on to East Texas!:thumbsup:

[Garcia Bronco]

Okay, I guess that lets white America off the hook. Other societies did it, so its not that bad.
I never owned slaves..nor did my family. Nor have most of Americans today....nor have you been a slave...you need to put that tired excuse to bed.

[-Slap-]

I never owned slaves..nor did my family. Nor have most of Americans today....nor have you been a slave...you need to put that tired excuse to bed.

According to Warren Sapp, slavery still exists in this country today.

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL...must be true then. I swaer I don't know how some people get around...you know...carrying all those crutches.

[azbroncfan]

Well the black man will never get off of the excuse that the white man is holding him down. There are some Black people that sit around and just wait for something like this to happen then have to make a big deal and scream bloody murder.

[ScottXray]

As far as Imus goes...What he said and did was outright stupidity, and indicates bigotry, if not proof outright.

Maybe he was drunk, because nothing else could explain the verbal suicide he committed. Nappy headed Hos indeed.

If Howard Cosell lost HIS career over saying something as dumb as "Look at that little monkey run!" , and that was quite a few years ago, how does anyone think Imus is going to keep his job'?

You can do and say a lot of things on the air, but being politically incorrect as a talking head, on the air, is not accepted. You have to be smarter than that.
Imus had a good long run, and just ended his career. He made lots of money and now he is done. Being an icon AND stupid is unacceptable.

I don't feel sorry for him....he did it to himself. He gave the sharks a target and they won't be satisfied until the water is red.thwack

[JimmyFocus]

it's 2007 and racism still exists and if you think it doesnt it is because it doesnt affect you

[Garcia Bronco]

because it doesnt affect you
That could be...still doesn't change the fact that it's an excuse for one's ills.

I was recently asked in a job interview at my old company if I was a homosexual. The guy doing the interview is a dumbass ...you know what I did....I told his manager when I gave her my resignation. She asked if I had proof....since I don't go around recording conversations...I didn't....I still could have sued the guy and ruined his career...I didn't....I looked him in the eye...told him what I thought of him and walked out the door. it was a problem...but every problem is an opportunity in disguise. I used it to move 1700 miles from all the people I have ever known and embarked on a new career. I now live a healthier life style....I make almost double of what I made back home...and the woman I am seeing is awesome. Point is...I didn't let the oppressive nature of another get me down or hold me back...I stood up from a pile of **** and wiped myself clean. If I can do it....anybody can because I am not special.

[BroncoInferno]

That could be...still doesn't change the fact that it's an excuse for one's ills.

I was recently asked in a job interview at my old company if I was a homosexual. The guy doing the interview is a dumbass ...you know what I did....I told his manager when I gave her my resignation. She asked if I had proof....since I don't go around recording conversations...I didn't....I still could have sued the guy and ruined his career...I didn't....I looked him in the eye...told him what I thought of him and walked out the door. it was a problem...but every problem is an opportunity in disguise. I used it to move 1700 miles from all the people I have ever known and embarked on a new career. I now live a healthier life style....I make almost double of what I made back home...and the woman I am seeing is awesome. Point is...I didn't let the oppressive nature of another get me down or hold me back...I stood up from a pile of **** and wiped myself clean. If I can do it....anybody can because I am not special.

You are my personal Jesus.

[phisig150]

Words mean a lot, and in many cases, there are actions behind those words. It's not out in the open as it was 50+ years ago, but there is no equality in this country. There is still a racial gap, and that's why this crap isn't tolarated.

I'll make you a deal. White folks can make black jokes, have the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College fund, and what ever perks that you think black people have. But you guys have to take on this history of slavery, as slave, not slave owners. You guys have to take on the history of being segragated against. And you guys have to deal with the negative affacts of those issues. You guys can make all the damn black jokes you want. And you guys have to give black people all the perks of being white.

Lets see how many of you would make that deal. Black people won't be able to make any more black jokes. Do you think that would be fair.

You say imply that black people won the civil rights battle. That battle is far from over. Great accomplishments were made. But the civil rights battle did not lead to equality. So we haven't won. Sure, on paper, in the legal books, we have equal rights. But in reality equaility has not been reached, and racism is alive and well. Black people, and other minorities, still have many reason to gripe. I guess you don't see those reasons, because its not your problem.

You live in one of the most racialy and ethnically diverse areas in the country and you're screaming oppression? And no it's not our problem if A)We are not in a position of power to discriminate against another group B) If our family historically was never in a position of power to discriminate against another group(My family were poor immigrants from Italy and Ireland so let's toss out the guilt for slavery I supposed to feel) C) If we ever get an opportunity to assume a position of power and we don't use to discriminate against another group. What no ever talks about is the real problem in this country: Class. Race, Religion, and Political Afflition are just tools used to distrract,divide, and ultimately conquer the unsuspecting masses.

[ohiobronco2]

Okay, I guess that lets white America off the hook. Other societies did it, so its not that bad.


Okay Jason. Let's not let white America off the hook. Let's punish current white, euro, native americans for actions that happened many years ago. How do you suggest we do that? Do you suggest that we go down the path where white people are slaves for several hundred years and just, "Call it Even." How about reparations. How much do I pay? Hmmm.... Well I'm about 2/5 Native American, 1/5 Italian and I have some German and Irish Mixed in. How about those who didn't even come to this country till after the peak of the civil war years. Would you please be so kind, as to excempt them? This is the sh*t that needs to stop. Racism is still a problem today and will always be. Period. Nothing that can be done today will make up for the injustices of the past.

I've never listened to this IMUS character before, but I still don't see how what he said is considered RACIST. As I've alluded to before, I am white. I also happen to have nappy hair. I don't take the word nappy, and believe it to represent a certain racial category or group. I do have problems with him speaking so poorly of the Rutgers girls basketball team and calling them ho's however. He should apologize to those girls for what he said, but he doesn't have to apologize to the whole African American community. While racism still persists today, the greater problem (As Garcia has alluded to) has to do with class and wealth. The inequalities that exists their don't differentiate between color.

[Garcia Bronco]

You are my personal Jesus.
I don't understand what you mean.

[BroncoInferno]

I don't understand what you mean.

That pull yourself up by the boot straps bit was inspiring stuff, man.

[phisig150]

Minority leaders who thump their chests and whip up a frenzy over every idotic comment or poor attempt at humor, so they can resume leeching off the misguided good will of their hard working followers, while at same time skirting the real issues, do much more damage to this country than the Imus's of the world. Why not spend your airtime to make a pitch to all the hardworking citizens of this country of all races why voting for your candidate (Obama or shudder even Clinton) will benefit their pocketbook and general standard of living. Crickets chirping. Okay back to getting that 30 second soundbite. Anything happen in Duke lately?

[Garcia Bronco]

That pull yourself up by the boot straps bit was inspiring stuff, man.

Thanks. I don't mean to imply it was easy. There were many sleepless nights and stress, but when you get to the other side...it's very liberating. I did leave behind my last surviving relative...but she and I agreed that if I didn't move west now....I probably never would.

[phisig150]

Thanks. I don't mean to imply it was easy. There were many sleepless nights and stress, but when you get to the other side...it's very liberating. I did leave behind my last surviving relative...but she and I agreed that if I didn't move west now....I probably never would.

I think he was being a smartass.

[Obushma]

Thank you for narrowing the black community down to two easily identifiable categories. Really simplifies things. What are your views on Hispanics?

Have the upmost respect for Hispanics, they are the largest minority community in the US, they dont have their own television station, they dont blame all their problems on others because of history, their history month doesnt get near the recognition that other minority groups do, their political leaders dont have racial agendas. Most realize that if they want to make something of themselves in the US, they've got to do it themselves, not have that **** handed to them all wraped up in a present.

Now you tell me BI, what are your views on Polynesians?

[phisig150]

Have the upmost respect for Hispanics, they are the largest minority community in the US, they dont have their own television station, they dont blame all their problems on others because of history, their history month doesnt get near the recognition that other minority groups do, their political leaders dont have racial agendas. Most realize that if they want to make something of themselves in the US, they've got to do it themselves, not have that **** handed to them all wraped up in a present.

Now you tell me BI, what are your views on Polynesians?

Do they believe in multiple gods or are those Polythesians?

[JimmyFocus]

Have the upmost respect for Hispanics, they are the largest minority community in the US, they dont have their own television station, they dont blame all their problems on others because of history, their history month doesnt get near the recognition that other minority groups do, their political leaders dont have racial agendas. Most realize that if they want to make something of themselves in the US, they've got to do it themselves, not have that **** handed to them all wraped up in a present.


wow.... i dont even know where to start with this nonsense.... you really are out of touch with every statement you try to formulate

[BroncoInferno]

Now you tell me BI, what are your views on Polynesians?

They make a great chicken nugget sauce.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think he was being a smartass.
That would be disappointing.

[Obushma]

wow.... i dont even know where to start with this nonsense.... you really are out of touch with every statement you try to formulate

Well then raise up, otherwise, explain to me the facts that you dont comprehend.

They make a great chicken nugget sauce.
We make that **** because somebody has to give you some kind of condiment to dip that **** in. As long as you're happy everybody else should be right BI.BI..

[phisig150]

wow.... i dont even know where to start with this nonsense.... you really are out of touch with every statement you try to formulate

I don't beleve you can just dismiss his comment. What he's getting at is an assimilation process that every minority group for example Jews, Irish, Italains, etc went through to become a successful part of US society. I think what you take exception too is his compliment for Latinos was used to slam Blacks which was wrong. But comparing the Irish experience to the Black experience to the Latino experience is apples and oranges. I live in the LA area and there definately exsists some static between Black and Latino communities so to call him out of touch and disregardiing his comments altogther is not fair. Maybe if he reworded his statements a little more carefully you could see his point.

[Tredici]

He should apologize to those girls for what he said

That sums it up right there. Funny how everyone focuses on the prejudicial hair remark but doesn't register the mysoginist one.

I imagine it takes more than a walk-on performance to get a spot on the women's Rutger's team. To refer to those young women as ho's is every bit as offensive as commenting on their hair.

[JimmyFocus]

I don't beleve you can just dismiss his comment. What he's getting at is an assimilation process that every minority group for example Jews, Irish, Italains, etc went through to become a successful part of US society. I think what you take exception too is his compliment for Latinos was used to slam Blacks which was wrong. But comparing the Irish experience to the Black experience to the Latino experience is apples and oranges. I live in the LA area and there definately exsists some static between Black and Latino communities so to call him out of touch and disregardiing his comments altogther is not fair. Maybe if he reworded his statements a little more carefully you could see his point.


i took it as a backhanded compliment to chicanos (notice i didnt say Hispanics) that as long as they stay quiet he has no problem with them .... and that is just the beginning

[Garcia Bronco]

That sums it up right there. Funny how everyone focuses on the prejudicial hair remark but doesn't register the mysoginist one.

I imagine it takes more than a walk-on performance to get a spot on the women's Rutger's team. To refer to those young women as ho's is every bit as offensive as commenting on their hair.

No doubt...calling them whores and meaning it is a terrible thing.

[phisig150]

That sums it up right there. Funny how everyone focuses on the prejudicial hair remark but doesn't register the mysoginist one.

I imagine it takes more than a walk-on performance to get a spot on the women's Rutger's team. To refer to those young women as ho's is every bit as offensive as commenting on their hair.

He shouldn't apologize to anyone. Their called shock jocks for a reason. It's their job to be provacitive. People on Air America have called Bush Hitler, do the Jews deserve an apology for downplaying their suffering and tragedy? Free speech isn't only free when you can stomach it or agree with it. Free speech has it's limits but he didn't yell fire in a crowded theater.

[Obushma]

i took it as a backhanded compliment to chicanos (notice i didnt say Hispanics) that as long as they stay quiet he has no problem with them .... and that is just the beginning

Im not even gonna make another comment to you because you either been smoking rocks, or you are one ignorant piece of ****. Either, or...Its not worth another breath malo.

[-Slap-]

If Howard Cosell lost HIS career over saying something as dumb as "Look at that little monkey run!" , and that was quite a few years ago, how does anyone think Imus is going to keep his job'?

Howard Cosell nee Cohen didn't lose his career for that comment, nor should he have. He was actually a pioneer against racism throughout his career. He was despised as a mouthy New York Jew by people at all levels of his industry. In fact, he never would have had a career if he hadn't changed his last name. He was also one of the few people in the media calling Muhammud Ali by his chosen name when pricks like Dick Young were still calling him Clay.

[phisig150]

i took it as a backhanded compliment to chicanos (notice i didnt say Hispanics) that as long as they stay quiet he has no problem with them .... and that is just the beginning

Chicanos are people of Mexican heritage so even that word is insulting to someone from say EL Salvador, and believe me they don't like being confused for each other so even you unknowingly insulted a huge segment of LA (it's not as easy it seems to be pc is it?). I don't see where he said they need to remain
silent. He complimented them for being hard working and involved in the political process, while also attacking Blacks. We should all just stay away from sweeping comments. I get just as pissed when someone throws the race card in my face and insinuates I have some sort of white privilege in this country when I'm a son of an ironworker and a waitress. I wish someone in the political arnea would run on the class problem in this country but I guess they would look a little hipocritical running on million upon millions. But I do think class could be a unifying force and lead to some real change. Sorry don't want to sound like a Marxist.

[watermock]

Imus gets a two week vacation I believe I heard.

[phisig150]

Imus gets a two week vacation I believe I heard.

Imus is an irrelevant coke head. Stern kicks his ass any day of the week. Funny how Stern used to do a bit called Black Jeopardy are there wasn't even a whimper about it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Well...he shouldn't have called them ho's..from that perspective..he has no one to blame but himself for that...I am sure he knows that....hopefully he takes responsibilty for his actions with at least a written apology.

[Maximus]

It is very obvious that nobody listened to the entire tirade that imus went on... He did not just call them Nappy Headed Hoe's He called them JIGABOOS! I'm wondering how all you people defending Imus can sit here and think its acceptable. The media is glossing over the term Jigaboo and you ****ing lemmings are going right along with it... its a Racial Slur!!!

[Los Broncos]

It is very obvious that nobody listened to the entire tirade that imus went on... He did not just call them Nappy Headed Hoe's He called them JIGABOOS! I'm wondering how all you people defending Imus can sit here and think its acceptable. The media is glossing over the term Jigaboo and you ****ing lemmings are going right along with it... its a Racial Slur!!!

Hes just a bigot that doesnt care who he hurts.

[Maximus]

Hes just a bigot that doesnt care who he hurts.

I understand that... The problem lies with some of the morons here that are defending this http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011

[Garcia Bronco]

If he called them jigaboos..then two weeks is hardly enough.

[Maximus]

If he called them jigaboos..then two weeks is hardly enough.

Take a listen to the link Garcia... He most certainly said it...

[Los Broncos]

I understand that... The problem lies with some of the morons here that are defending this http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011


Theres always someone to defend a dumbass.

[Maximus]

Theres always someone to defend a dumbass.

The sad thing is that some of these same people who are defending Imus... Sang the praises of Jason Whitlock and made accusations that African Americans don't hold our own people accountable for their actions... Now these same hypocrites are saying it's ok for Imus to say these things... Hypocrites and closet racists!

[Los Broncos]

The sad thing is that some of these same people who are defending Imus... Sang the praises of Jason Whitlock and made accusations that African Americans don't hold our own people accountable for their actions... Now these same hypocrites are saying it's ok for Imus to say these things... Hypocrites and closet racists!

Unreal.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I love how the noble champions of free speech in here line up to gleefully support every moron with a twisted view of the world that gives them an opportunity to trumpet their own political agenda...typical.

Let me say that I ABSOLUTELY and FULLY support Don Imus' first amendment right to make a horses ass of himself on the public airwaves as often as he sees fit, and apparently this is not the first time he's decided to do just that in similiar fashion. I also support his employers/sponsors right to suspend, or for that matter ****can this turd if they so choose in order to protect their business interests, their public image, or just generally cave in to public pressure if they wish to. People have this bizzare idea that free speech in this country means you get to say whatever you want to and suffer no personal repercussions for it...as if the first amendment applies only to speech that is abhorent, obnoxious or repulsive but those who see it for what it is should stay quiet about it.

Since when?

Nothing is more embedded in the fabric of this country than the right to say what you think and suffer the inevitable and natural consequences that follow public opinion. I'll lay 50:1 odds many of the same people whining about his free speech rights would castigate somebody else for expressing a Christian world view about gay rights inside a church if it didn't agree with their personal notion of relativistic truth or offended their delicate sense of PC fairness...in other words, it's all about whose ox gets gored.

So it's just as I thought...instead of calling this fool for the idiot he is, legions of defenders can't wait to turn his stupid comments into an opportunity to blow their own horn about how benevolent they are...how they're self made success stories...how black people are all looking for a handout...how everyone is now living in a racial utopia in this country and everyone less fortunate than them is lazy...etc...etc...blah...blah...blah...best of all are the idiots wimpering that the last 30 years of the pendulum swinging the other direction wipes out the previous 300 years of murderous shame and disgrace.

So here's to you Imus...nothing's more inherently American than the right to be an idiot and let the world know it. :alky:

[BroncoBuff]

Obviously, there are two sides to this. Like everything else, political correctness needs to be observed in moderation. It can get excessive, and it can be under enforced. That's the way life is.

Yes, he is calling women with nappy hair women with nappy hair. But when he is using that identification as a humorous term, he is making fun of them for their ethnicity. That is why this is racist. And his use of "ho" is meant to mock ebonics. The problem is that he automatically associates these women with ebonics solely because of their skin color.
Your post - and my reaction here - are the perfect microcosm of opposite reactions, opposite views - of the exact same issues between races in this country. Reminds me of the O.J verdict a little, because I cannot understand where you're coming from! First off, I'll bet a zillion dollar you self-identify as black, right? You can bet a zillion I am white (you'd win) ...

The use of the word "ho" is much more demeaning to WOMEN than it is a slur upon Ebonics!! Gimme a break! The word 'ho' is used toward women of ALL ethnicities, yo! To call its usage a "mocking" of Ebonics is so silly, I'm apoplectic! Urban/ebonic lingo has permeated modern culture, everywhere you turn the past 15 years The unfettered use and adoption of it by young, old, white brown red and yellow - everyone - is an ENDORSEMENT and ACCEPTANCE of urban culture into the mainstream. Such word usage is ubiquitous in pop culture - I'm pretty sure I've heard 'ho' used on "The Simpsons."

Man, Black America should be pleased - even delighted at the profound impact that ebonics and urban-type slang has had in this culture.


The "nappy headed" line is completely harmeless!

No ethicity can be permitted to have sole right to use certain words! At all! (though the 'N' word is an exception.) Besides, 'nappy hair' is a very positive image in balck America:
http://nappyhairaffair.com/
http://www.nappyroots.com/
http://www.nappyhair.com/
http://www.thenappylady.co.uk/


FINALLY THIS: I heard Imus ribbing a guest he had on a few months ago about being too pale. It was some reporter, maybe David Gregory ... he said something like, 'you Norweigan types don't get enough sun. You should come out to the ranch with me.' The guest laughd, and nobody mentioned it again.

I'm just tired of people being so sensitivce - and feeling they need to speak for everyone with the same skin color they have. It's un-American to self-segregate - to place oneself in a special position that requires more respect/sensitivity than others are entitled to.

[ak1971]

I hate the damn Irish.

[BroncoBuff]

The sad thing is that some of these same people who are defending Imus... Sang the praises of Jason Whitlock and made accusations that African Americans don't hold our own people accountable for their actions... Now these same hypocrites are saying it's ok for Imus to say these things... Hypocrites and closet racists!

I'm not sure who Jason Whitlock is .... but here's a newsflash: I AGREE that that African Americans don't hold their own people accountable for their actions... And the O.J. Simpson verdict reaction is the only evidence I need. At one point, 91% of blacks agreed with the verdict - and that proves my point.

NOW: If Blacks had said, "I won't coment on whether I believe he's gulity or innocent, but I do appreciate that after centuries of all-white juries and kangaroo courts convicting black men and acquitting whites, I applaud the verdict." THAT - I would understand and respect.

But believing him innocent - again - at a 91% rate, proves the point: "African Americans don't hold their own people accountable for their actions."

[BroncoBuff]

I hate the damn Irish.

Folks say we're dirty .... do you agree?

[ak1971]

Folks say we're dirty .... do you agree?

damn potato eaters.

[watermock]

I always seem to wind up with redheads that are great in the sack but insane. Is that racist?

A mad Irish woman is to be feared, immensely. BTW, they hate potatoes.

[broncocalijohn]

What he said was wrong and seemed mean spirited for laughs for his show. I dont know if these chicks are Napy and tattooed as Womens bball doesnt thrill me. I dont like the fact that he went on the other racist on the black side of Al Sharpton's show. Seems Al has said things that he hasnt been apologetic or remorseful. Next time a black says anything racist (and that will happen soon), I will see if Al or Jesse will demand a firing of that black for the racist comments. They wont even fire themselves.

[BroncoBuff]

footsteps, I agree 100% with your post - #153 above ... Imus is a jerk. I find him entertaining, but he is an idiot - usually on a daily basis. I liked this quote most:

the idiots wimpering that the last 30 years of the pendulum swinging the other direction wipes out the previous 300 years of murderous shame and disgrace.
So freaking true! But remember - vigilance should never morph into a witchhunt. Imo, neither 'ho' nor 'nappy haired' is racist. He calls fat people 'fat pigs' and even calls MSNBC GM Dan Abrams an idiot. Calls Irish drunkards, Italians criminals and Japanese good at math.

EXCELLENT! :thumbsup:

[BroncoBuff]

damn potato eaters.

Used to be, but I'm on a diet now: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=54902

Still dirty, though.

[-Slap-]

I have found that I tend to really like the women of all races and not particularly care for the men, whiney ass white mother****ers included.

[broncocalijohn]

I always seem to wind up with redheads that are great in the sack but insane. Is that racist?

A mad Irish woman is to be feared, immensely. BTW, they hate potatoes.


You leave Opie Cunningham alone.
You all that hate the Irish will be getting a neg rep from Dagmar. I know Mock hates the Irish and/or Dagmar.

[BroncoBuff]

This should be more of a WOMEN'S issue that an ethnic one.

If he called teh Swedish women's baskletball team "hos", they'd have the right to be po'd!

[spdirty]

Whole thing reminds me of the South Park episode where Stans dad said the "N" word on Wheel of Fortune then was made to "apologize" to Jesse Jackson. Only difference is that Al got the first "apology."

Never listened to Imus so I won't make a judgement on whether he is a racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe or not. All I'll say is, his employers have a right to take whatever action they deem fit.

Also, I wonder what I need to do or pay to make up for my inexcusable sin of having white skin, because 150 years ago people who may or may not have been my ancestors ( I really don't know) had black and native american slaves.

Just let us know what we have to do and when everything is square so we can move on.

[BroncoBuff]

Just let us know what we have to do and when everything is square so we can move on.
Victims are loathe to terminate their victim status.


* I should add that it's just human nature to perpetuate any specials status. Me, my gf, my Mom, anybody who gets better treatment (I won't say "preferential," but how about "sensitive" treatment) wants to keep getting that sensitive treatment.

[watermock]

Your hurting my sensitivities will be next.

For the record, I can't stand Imus. As Slappy said, he's a mumbling moron propped up by his sidekick/producer.

If you want to watch two idiots, tune into Mike and MIKE. At least it's funny how Greenie understands he's a Eunich.

[Spider]

Imus fate is best left up to the free market . The people will decide by listening to his show or tuning him out .......................I noticed Al Sharpton had his ass all up in this ........here is what pisses me off ........ Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are supposed to be Christians , Imus kissed Al Sharptons ass on radio , and Sharpton wont forgive ......... Fat ass hypocrite .......... Al Sharpton should just leave it alone , he did enough damage over that Twana Brawly story ....

[BroncoBuff]

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are supposed to be Christians

Pushed my button there, §pidey ... true Christianity demands forgiveness. True Christianity demands pacifism as well.

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[cutthemdown]

The sad thing is that some of these same people who are defending Imus... Sang the praises of Jason Whitlock and made accusations that African Americans don't hold our own people accountable for their actions... Now these same hypocrites are saying it's ok for Imus to say these things... Hypocrites and closet racists!

No we are saying it's legal for him to say these things. And were saying the only thing that should get him fired is bad ratings, not what you say being offensive. I also defend the right of all of you to be upset about what he said. I even think it's ok for you all to picket, protest do whatever you want to get him fired. If thats what Americans want to spend their energy on then that is your right. My main point is this isn't a big enough deal to be this huge of an issue.

[Houshyamama]

Wait, hold up. Girls play basketball?

[SPORTSWRITER]

What's all the fuss? Like Rosie O'Donnel can trash America and everything our country stands for and still keep her job, and some want to fire Imus for SAYING what a lot of people think but don't come out and say?? It's probably not fair for me to say something about Rutgers, because I'm a Tennessee alum, but like Imus I thought the Rutgers' girls looked trashy while the Tennessee girls looked a lot cuter. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!! Face it, white girls can have "nappy" hair and be "ho's" too. I just don't see what Imus said, especially compared to what Rosie and others say, is any big deal! Just another chance for radical liberals like Al Sharpton to play the race card and act po'ed when it's really much ado about nothing!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Nappy is not a racial comment...anybody who thinks that is off their rocker....however calling a bunch of woman ho's who are in fact not is degrading. It's also been stated that he called them jigaboos....that is a racial slur and I would fire him for it after I found a replacement.

[Spider]

What's all the fuss? Like Rosie O'Donnel can trash America and everything our country stands for and still keep her job, and some want to fire Imus for SAYING what a lot of people think but don't come out and say?? It's probably not fair for me to say something about Rutgers, because I'm a Tennessee alum, but like Imus I thought the Rutgers' girls looked trashy while the Tennessee girls looked a lot cuter. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!! Face it, white girls can have "nappy" hair and be "ho's" too. I just don't see what Imus said, especially compared to what Rosie and others say, is any big deal! Just another chance for radical liberals like Al Sharpton to play the race card and act po'ed when it's really much ado about nothing!!

:oyvey: ....... talk about stupid .......... comparing racism to what Rosie does ........I dont agree with alot of what Rosie says , but damn stupid comparison

[Popcorn Sutton]

What's all the fuss? Like Rosie O'Donnel can trash America and everything our country stands for and still keep her job, and some want to fire Imus for SAYING what a lot of people think but don't come out and say?? It's probably not fair for me to say something about Rutgers, because I'm a Tennessee alum, but like Imus I thought the Rutgers' girls looked trashy while the Tennessee girls looked a lot cuter. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!! Face it, white girls can have "nappy" hair and be "ho's" too. I just don't see what Imus said, especially compared to what Rosie and others say, is any big deal! Just another chance for radical liberals like Al Sharpton to play the race card and act po'ed when it's really much ado about nothing!!

I see why you call yourself SPORTSWRITER... " a lot cuter.... " :rofl:

[Circle Orange]

I'm pretty fed up with all the ignorant shock jocks who throw stuff out there for ratings and attention. He's also called asian people "slant eyed gooks". I'm beginning to wonder why the same people feel the need to caricature and mock other races...maybe its a defense tool to make themselves feel more secure. :clown: I could go into this more but I'm gonna leave it alone before I get mad. Real mad. :redpunch:

His show has been suspended for two weeks. No great loss to society.

[Spider]

Pushed my button there, §pidey ... true Christianity demands forgiveness. True Christianity demands pacifism as well.

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yeah same ole Bullshít from those 2 ... just like that sportswriter guy , got to make comparisons or add drama .........What Imus said stands on its own , the intent is more important then what was said .......... The free market will decide Imus fate ....... as it should be

[bendog]

Those women should just be grateful they still have hair.

[cutthemdown]

What did all of you asking for IMUS's head think when Jesse Jackson called New York Hymie Town?

[bendog]

Don't you see some distinction between an idiot shock jock who does the news, and a man who is supposedly wanting to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate?

[Spider]

Don't you see some distinction between an idiot shock jock who does the news, and a man who is supposedly wanting to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate?

LOL ............

[Garcia Bronco]

What did all of you asking for IMUS's head think when Jesse Jackson called New York Hymie Town?

Many young people don't know about that.

Jesse Jackson is a joke.

[Traveler]

I usually don't weigh in on conversations like this unless it becomes personal or if someone says something goes against my the core values.

All people, no matter their race, view and react to the things Imus said based on their life experiences. My problem is when people, joking or not, use words to try and define or degrade a class or race of people.

Whether it be homo, ****er, cracker, or whatever, it's wrong for anyone to let that pass. One of my greatest wishes, as a black man, is that we as black folk wouldn't have a need for people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. That would mean everyone was seen as being equal.

But since that not the case, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone taking someone to task or challenging someone for saying the things like Imus said.

What he said was despicable to all women in general, and doubly so to black women. For those that say "it's only words" and it applies to all races, that is true.

But if you are really true with yourself, subconciously when you first heard the words "nappy headed hos", your first thought was about black women.

And therein lies most black folks issue with what he said. Whether he was trying to be funny or not, he was defining and degrading a specific gender and race of people. Black people shouldn't tolerate it! Whether White people see it differently, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Is there a double standard? Sure! I almost got into a fight on the subway last week because some young black males were saying "****a this, ****a that" in their conversation. I told them I don't need to hear that **** in public and I'm sure others on the train felt the same way.

There are efforts to clean our own house, the most public being Bill Cosby's comments.

Preach free speech all you want. All races should understand that letting anything like this go unchallenged is tacitly giving your permission to let someone else define you as a race and gender. That should never happen.

....my two cents!

[Garcia Bronco]

I usually don't weigh in on conversations like this unless it becomes personal or if someone says something goes against my the core values.

All people, no matter their race, view and react to the things Imus said based on their life experiences. My problem is when people, joking or not, use words to try and define or degrade a class or race of people.

Whether it be homo, ****er, cracker, or whatever, it's wrong for anyone to let that pass. One of my greatest wishes, as a black man, is that we as black folk wouldn't have a need for people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. That would mean everyone was seen as being equal.

But since that not the case, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone taking someone to task or challenging someone for saying the things like Imus said.

What he said was despicable to all women in general, and doubly so to black women. For those that say "it's only words" and it applies to all races, that is true.

But if you are really true with yourself, subconciously when you first heard the words "nappy headed hos", your first thought was about black women.

And therein lies most black folks issue with what he said. Whether he was trying to be funny or not, he was defining and degrading a specific gender and race of people. Black people shouldn't tolerate it! Whether White people see it differently, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Is there a double standard? Sure! I almost got into a fight on the subway last week because some young black males were saying "****a this, ****a that" in their conversation. I told them I don't need to hear that **** in public and I'm sure others on the train felt the same way.

There are efforts to clean our own house, the most public being Bill Cosby's comments.

Preach free speech all you want. All races should understand that letting anything like this go unchallenged is tacitly giving your permission to let someone else define you as a race and gender. That should never happen.

....my two cents!


Nappy headed...is not a racial slur no matter which way you slice it. Jigaboo on the other hand is....And according to Circle Orange he's used other forms as well for other races. I am surprised this guy still had a job to comment on the Rutgers teams.

People have the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean there are not consequences to the things we say. The only unfair consequences are arrest or death, but your job and lifestyle are fair game.

[Broncojef]

political correctness and double standards....two things I hope just go away soon.

[bendog]

I usually don't weigh in on conversations like this unless it becomes personal or if someone says something goes against my the core values.

All people, no matter their race, view and react to the things Imus said based on their life experiences. My problem is when people, joking or not, use words to try and define or degrade a class or race of people.

Whether it be homo, ****er, cracker, or whatever, it's wrong for anyone to let that pass. One of my greatest wishes, as a black man, is that we as black folk wouldn't have a need for people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. That would mean everyone was seen as being equal.

But since that not the case, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone taking someone to task or challenging someone for saying the things like Imus said.

What he said was despicable to all women in general, and doubly so to black women. For those that say "it's only words" and it applies to all races, that is true.

But if you are really true with yourself, subconciously when you first heard the words "nappy headed hos", your first thought was about black women.

And therein lies most black folks issue with what he said. Whether he was trying to be funny or not, he was defining and degrading a specific gender and race of people. Black people shouldn't tolerate it! Whether White people see it differently, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Is there a double standard? Sure! I almost got into a fight on the subway last week because some young black males were saying "****a this, ****a that" in their conversation. I told them I don't need to hear that **** in public and I'm sure others on the train felt the same way.

There are efforts to clean our own house, the most public being Bill Cosby's comments.

Preach free speech all you want. All races should understand that letting anything like this go unchallenged is tacitly giving your permission to let someone else define you as a race and gender. That should never happen.

....my two cents!

I agree with you. Bullys should be stood up too.

However, unfortunately, what Imus said is no more, or less, offensive than what Coulter or Rush say on a daily basis. I don't see how it's different, in offensive terms, in what Imus said to RW radio saying democrats are traitors of supporters of pedophiles or whatever the RW people are saying today on radio. And that's not to mention Rush giving Cheney a free pass last week to again tout out the discredited rationale of Saddam having operational ties to al queda justifying his invasion. The bastards just keep on lying, and saying anyone who disagrees is a french speaking surrender monkee, who if he was ever wounded in a war, faked his wounds.

Whether you like, or hate, or just don't listen (me), Imus just hates everything. He's an equal opportunity offender. And he's been that way for 20-30 years. So, from my standpoint, there's a bit of hyporcrisy to the outcry. If Imus was still just doing his NYC/East Coast radio gig, this wouldn't even be on the radar.

[Garcia Bronco]

Whether you like, or hate, or just don't listen (me), Imus just hates everything. He's an equal opportunity offender. And he's been that way for 20-30 years. So, from my standpoint, there's a bit of hyporcrisy to the outcry. If Imus was still just doing his NYC/East Coast radio gig, this wouldn't even be on the radar.


that's also based on people that listen to him....which I don't know anybody that does...the only reason I even know what he is ...is because of Stern's movie...otherwise I would have no idea who Imus is...I think most of America doesn't know who he is either....well...before the other day that is.....

[Barry Ramey]

I really don't know what two weeks will do either way. Imus is only on the air because he and his crew make such remarks. I mean he isn't on the air because he's so talented and has a great personality. There is a lot of double standards going on today in regards to racism however. In fact, the equal rights groups have become more involved in politics than they really have in protecting everyone's rights. It's become selective and depends on what aisle you happen to be politically. I've seen and heard all kinds of racist things said about Condi Rice, yet very little outrage just because she's seen as a sellout and unintelligent to democrats, which they can somehow convince themselves that isn't racism.

Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are nothing but a couple of race pimps who have made a living threatening lawsuits against companies and getting huge payoffs and who have done very little for the majority of the black population. Instead they have lined their own pockets and spend more time defending and worrying about those guilty of crimes instead of those who are trying to make an honest living and trying to get ahead the right way. They are an embarrassment to their race and aren't much in terms of being men either. The media is also guilty propping these two up all the time as some sort of saviors and protectors of the black race. What a joke!

[REB]

Just to be clear it wasn't Imus who said "jigaboo." That was either his producer Bernard in the booth (which it sounded like to me) or the sports reporter Sid he had on air and it was being used in reference to a Spike Lee movie that used the term "jigaboo" to describe the dark black women and the term "wannabes" in reference to lighter skinned black women." Both words were used in refernce to his movie. Just an fyi

[Garcia Bronco]

Just to be clear it wasn't Imus who said "jigaboo." That was either his producer Bernard in the booth (which it sounded like to me) or the sports reporter Sid he had on air and it was being used in reference to a Spike Lee movie that used the term "jigaboo" to describe the dark black women and the term "wannabes" in reference to lighter skinned black women." Both words were used in refernce to his movie. Just an fyi

Oh..Maximus said that Imus had said it. If they were referencing a spike lee movie...that's different

I wanted to check out some pictures of the team...they don't appear knappy headed to me

[55CrushEm]

I never owned slaves..nor did my family. Nor have most of Americans today....nor have you been a slave...you need to put that tired excuse to bed.

But he never will......

[REB]

"You really want to apologize? Kiss it. Come on....kiss it!"

[c_lazy_r]

Whats not fair about it?

It was a joke. Trying to lighten the atmosphere around here.

[bronco militia]

"You really want to apologize? Kiss it. Come on....kiss it!"

BWAHAHA

[spdirty]

"You really want to apologize? Kiss it. Come on....kiss it!"

LOL apologize!

[smalltowngrll]

This should be more of a WOMEN'S issue that an ethnic one.

If he called teh Swedish women's baskletball team "hos", they'd have the right to be po'd!

BINGO!

It's so ironic...the place is an uproar when the race card is played. Yet, the second a woman is called a 'ho' or demeaning words are used against her, well, that's ok...it's good for laughs!

If someone are going to get upset about a racial issue, then they should be just as upset over the gender issues. Many on this same thread have used those same terms to demean other women they don't even know, yet they complain about something that is perceived racial. Seems a little off balance to me.

[Garcia Bronco]

BINGO!

It's so ironic...the place is an uproar when the race card is played. Yet, the second a woman is called a 'ho' or demeaning words are used against her, well, that's ok...it's good for laughs!

If someone are going to get upset about a racial issue, then they should be just as upset over the gender issues. Many on this same thread have used those same terms to demean other women they don't even know, yet they complain about something that is perceived racial. Seems a little off balance to me.


It's always about self interests.

[REB]

Take a listen to the link Garcia... He most certainly said it...

Not that it matters but also read the link (you may not know the difference in the voices like I do) and you'll see it was his producer Bernard McGuirk that refenced that movie and said "jigaboos and wannabees"


"McGuirk referred to the NCAA women's basketball championship game between Rutgers and Tennessee as a "Spike Lee thing," adding, "The Jigaboos vs. The Wannabees -- that movie that he had." McGuirk was presumably referring to Lee's 1988 film, School Daze (Sony Pictures), "

[Tredici]

I usually don't weigh in on conversations like this unless it becomes personal or if someone says something goes against my the core values.

All people, no matter their race, view and react to the things Imus said based on their life experiences. My problem is when people, joking or not, use words to try and define or degrade a class or race of people.

Whether it be homo, ****er, cracker, or whatever, it's wrong for anyone to let that pass. One of my greatest wishes, as a black man, is that we as black folk wouldn't have a need for people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. That would mean everyone was seen as being equal.

But since that not the case, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone taking someone to task or challenging someone for saying the things like Imus said.

What he said was despicable to all women in general, and doubly so to black women. For those that say "it's only words" and it applies to all races, that is true.

But if you are really true with yourself, subconciously when you first heard the words "nappy headed hos", your first thought was about black women.

And therein lies most black folks issue with what he said. Whether he was trying to be funny or not, he was defining and degrading a specific gender and race of people. Black people shouldn't tolerate it! Whether White people see it differently, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Is there a double standard? Sure! I almost got into a fight on the subway last week because some young black males were saying "****a this, ****a that" in their conversation. I told them I don't need to hear that **** in public and I'm sure others on the train felt the same way.

There are efforts to clean our own house, the most public being Bill Cosby's comments.

Preach free speech all you want. All races should understand that letting anything like this go unchallenged is tacitly giving your permission to let someone else define you as a race and gender. That should never happen.

....my two cents!

This is sincere post and I appreciate your efforts to share your point of view. I can understand your feelings and agree - especially about people reacting based on their own life experiences.

Here is what I find so, well, tiring. This whole business where now Imus is saying "I'm a nice guy". People point to his efforts with children who are cancer victims. His charity work is commendable. But it doesn't overide the senseless stupidity of a remark he made so casually. Here is where Mr. Imus needs to take stock of himself and come to the realization, hey, I'm NOT a nice guy. Because nice guys don't call Ivy League Basketball players (or anyone else for that matter) nappy headed hos. People can debate his character all they want to. Until he has the epiphany that as long as you use words as weapons you don't qualify as a nice person, nothing changes.

[Popcorn Sutton]

I'm probably going to shoot myself in the foot here but Imus's comments aren't half as edgy as a lot of rap music today. I guess what I don't understand is if Imus was also black and put a beat around what he is saying he would simply be looked at as an artist who is expressing himself.

I've got ho's... in different area codes... area codes... Ho' os...

The thing that scares me the most is our kids don't hear Imus... they hear these rappers on MTV and they buy their albums in the stores.

What kid do you know that listens to frickin Imus?

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm probably going to shoot myself in the foot here but Imus's comments aren't half as edgy as a lot of rap music today. I guess what I don't understand is if Imus was also black and put a beat around what he is saying he would simply be looked at as an artist who is expressing himself.

I've got ho's... in different area codes... area codes... Ho' os...

The thing that scares me the most is our kids don't hear Imus... they hear these rappers on MTV and they buy their albums in the stores.

What kid do you know that listens to frickin Imus?

that is a good point.

[Tredici]

I'm probably going to shoot myself in the foot here but Imus's comments aren't half as edgy as a lot of rap music today. I guess what I don't understand is if Imus was also black and put a beat around what he is saying he would simply be looked at as an artist who is expressing himself.

I've got ho's... in different area codes... area codes... Ho' os...

The thing that scares me the most is our kids don't hear Imus... they hear these rappers on MTV and they buy their albums in the stores.

What kid do you know that listens to frickin Imus?

But he's not black. He doesn't have a beat. And he's not an artist expressing himself. He's a radio commentator who made an insult to a very specific group of people. And he used FCC regulated public airways to do it.

If your kids are buying albums you disaprove of, that's an entirely different issue and one you should be in control of.

[Popcorn Sutton]

But he's not black. He doesn't have a beat. And he's not an artist expressing himself. He's a radio commentator who made an insult to a very specific group of people. And he used FCC regulated public airways to do it.

If your kids are buying albums you disaprove of, that's an entirely different issue and one you should be in control of.

They aren't but thanks for your concern. You missed the point.

[smalltowngrll]

It's always about self interests.

Not really. I was just pointing out the double standard.

[Garcia Bronco]

Not really. I was just pointing out the double standard.

It is....people ultimately follow their self interests from their own point of view. Think about it over the next few days.

[Tredici]

They aren't but thanks for your concern. You missed the point.

No I didn't. You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no connection between the two things like you are trying to suggest.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What he said was despicable to all women in general, and doubly so to black women. For those that say "it's only words" and it applies to all races, that is true.

But if you are really true with yourself, subconciously when you first heard the words "nappy headed hos", your first thought was about black women.
Bingo. All this idiocy about the term "nappy headed" applying to anyone of any race is merely another laughable attempt to excuse this fool...I don't buy for one split second that people who heard that come out of his mouth didn't know immediately what he meant. I also believe that the insulting and degrading term "ho", which I consider much worse than his reference to "nappy headed", is something usually reserved for black women as well, but regardless of whether it's used on women who are black, white, brown or green, I'm sick of hearing it used. It's a filthy and disgusting word and if somebody called your girlfriend/wife/mother/sister/ that, and if you've got an ounce of man in you you'd knock their teeth down their throat for it.

And BTW...for those who don't think the black community is trying to hold their own accountable...you've obviously never watched how black women discipline their kids...or maybe you don't understand that the church is where the black community gets it's moral compass, and by extension it's power to influence. It's not in the edicts of some politicians or the public media spotlight shown on poverty pimps looking for their own glory. The majority of all black people in this country have been influenced for generations by a powerful and persistent voice for living accountable to both man and God from the black church in America...one with a clarity that far outstrips the watered down moral relativism most of the rest of society now blindly swears allegiance to. I'm not talking about the pseudo ministers like Jackson and Sharpton...they're "ministers" of PROFIT...not prophets of ministry, and most in the black community know that. I'm talking about the tens of thousands of black churches in this country who have no connection with Jesse Jackson or his ilk...and then there are the thousands of other things...youth programs, rec centers, adults helping influence and raise other people's children at their own expense, single mothers who live on their knees out of fear their boys will die before they reach 20 years old. It's an insulting and ignorant accusation based on nothing but lack of knowledge to suggest black people aren't involved in trying to change things or hold their own accountable. The real problem is not that we have to little involvement in trying to make changes from the black community. The real problem is that the rest of America is deaf, dumb and blind to the pitiful and disgusting legacy we've left our urban communities in...the one where school children have to learn in dangerous war zones and dilapidated buildings without adequate equipment, supplies or protection, the one where whole neighborhoods have been abandoned to criminal gangs without police involvement, the one where entire sections of major cities resemble rotting sewers of neglect...THAT is the real problem, and it's the same problem we've had for 300 years. It might be cleverly disguised or couched in terms like "urban blight" or hiding behind line item budgets in city planning commissions, but it's easily recognized for what it is if your eyes are open and you're not willfully ignorant.

Oddly...it takes somebody like this Imus idiot to point it out.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm sorry, this is the stupidest news story:

1) SInce when has anyone cared what Don Imus says. He's retarded and no one listens to him any more.

2) This is so typical of the American public/media. There are many more issues that require our concern, but all we seem to care about is some leathery old fool and some stupid comments he made. A press conference from Rutgers??? REALLY???? Talk about making a situation much worse than it is.

[Popcorn Sutton]

No I didn't. You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no connection between the two things like you are trying to suggest.

What Imus said was minor league compared to what the rappers who are played on MTV, and BET... If you think for one second our kids don't hear these lyrics at school, during lunch breaks, after school... you're crazy. It does not matter where you live or what schools your kids attend.

If you don't see the double standard we have in our society then I can't argue with you. I find it hard to believe that politicians such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can go and demand someone like Imus is fired and not demand that this type of rap music is taken off the air tomorrow?

Imus's comments are PG compared mainstream rap music. For the record, I'm not defending Imus... I'm just saying we will never "as a society" get to the root of the problem until we stop accepting this behavior across the board.

There is a connection.

[REB]

In the form of comedy Imus has called his own wife who is a regular on his show a "Green Ho" because she's an environmentalist and has her own product of cleaning solutions called 'Greening the Cleaning" which have no harmful chemicals in them. And all the profit goes into their ranch in New Mexico for kids with cancer and blood disorders. Approx. 50% of which are minorities.

Believe it or not the guy really is not a racist and does have a heart. If you've listen to the guy as long as I have you would realize that. He regrets the words he used and realizes that it offended people and has wholeheartedly apologized.

I've said things trying to be funny that other people didn't like and I'm sure we've all said things we regret. Cut a little slack and don't take everything so seriously. jmho

[Los Broncos]

It was a joke. Trying to lighten the atmosphere around here.

OK.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Imus's comments are PG compared mainstream rap music. For the record, I'm not defending Imus... I'm just saying we will never "as a society" get to the root of the problem until we stop accepting this behavior across the board.

There is a connection.
I agree with this. I think you also have to understand the correlation that exists between black protest music...which is what SOME rap and SOME hip hop are...to the culture of urban separation and segregation. There is a strong movement in this country that MLK would have never endorsed, and it's one that eschews unity and favors conflict. That same rap/hip hop message resonates differently in the white community, which BTW...is the largest consumer of hip hop music now. We do need strong black leadership to stand up against the cultural quagmire that this stuff propogates, and in fact there are those in the black community doing just that...though you probably won't hear about it on TV. We should also be asking ourselves WHY this message has found a willing audience, rather than just assailing the fact that is exists and it has. That's a more profound question IMO.

[Atwater His Ass]

What Imus said was minor league compared to what the rappers who are played on MTV, and BET... If you think for one second our kids don't hear these lyrics at school, during lunch breaks, after school... you're crazy. It does not matter where you live or what schools your kids attend.

If you don't see the double standard we have in our society then I can't argue with you. I find it hard to believe that politicians such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can go and demand someone like Imus is fired and not demand that this type of rap music is taken off the air tomorrow?

Imus's comments are PG compared mainstream rap music. For the record, I'm not defending Imus... I'm just saying we will never "as a society" get to the root of the problem until we stop accepting this behavior across the board.

There is a connection.

You are 100% correct. Until the double standard is eliminated, this kind of stuff will continue to happen. It's sad really.

[JimmyFocus]

What Imus said was minor league compared to what the rappers who are played on MTV, and BET... If you think for one second our kids don't hear these lyrics at school, during lunch breaks, after school... you're crazy. It does not matter where you live or what schools your kids attend.

If you don't see the double standard we have in our society then I can't argue with you. I find it hard to believe that politicians such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can go and demand someone like Imus is fired and not demand that this type of rap music is taken off the air tomorrow?

Imus's comments are PG compared mainstream rap music. For the record, I'm not defending Imus... I'm just saying we will never "as a society" get to the root of the problem until we stop accepting this behavior across the board.

There is a connection.

the difference is that he personalized it ..... he called the rutger team ho's.... where as in rap they are calling a ho a ho

[Traveler]

the difference is that he personalized it ..... he called the rutger team ho's.... where as in rap they are calling a ho a ho

Please tell me that was a joke! You gotta be kidding, right?

[-Slap-]

the difference is that he personalized it ..... he called the rutger team ho's.... where as in rap they are calling a ho a ho

ROFL!

"they are calling a ho a ho."

Oh, yeah, that clears it right up.

Guess what? If more young black males showed black women - all women - proper respect in the first place, words like "ho" would have never migrated into the general lexicon.

[JimmyFocus]

ROFL!

"they are calling a ho a ho."

Oh, yeah, that clears it right up.

Guess what? If more young black males showed black women - all women - proper respect in the first place, words like "ho" would have never migrated into the general lexicon.

there are foul women just like there are foul men... simple as that.... i never said using the word was right or wrong i just pointed out the difference.... and it isnt about just black males .... shouldnt it me males in general

[Paladin]

Let's hear the defense of rap "music". Anyone? Is there an artistic grace or license in bashing and trashing women and whites like they do in those things? Glorifying drugs? Glorifying murder and killing?

Rap music is sin. Let's hear the Reverends talk about that. Glory, gory, hallelujah. When Bill Cosby does, the Black Community goes apes*t that he is "almost white". But the truth of what he says is inconvenient.

Double standards? You bet. Racism is perpetrated by both sides with equal responsibility.

[(Jae)]

Let's hear the defense of rap "music". Anyone? Is there an artistic grace or license in bashing and trashing women and whites like they do in those things? Glorifying drugs? Glorifying murder and killing?
Rap music is sin.

Dont lump ALL rap music together in that sentence, because your view of rap is whatever BET/MTV/Radio shows you. There is plenty of rap not consisting of those things above.
And just about every genre of music has artists who glorify the above comments.
Death Metal, Reggae, Rock & Roll.............etc.
You might as well say Music is sin.

[Paladin]

Dont lump ALL rap music together in that sentence, because your view of rap is whatever BET/MTV/Radio shows you. There is plenty of rap not consisting of those things above.
And just about every genre of music has artists who glorify the above comments.
Death Metal, Reggae, Rock & Roll.............etc.
You might as well say Music is sin.

Maybe it is nowadays. Remember the old classics? Those songs made more sense and had lyrics that said something.

[(Jae)]

Maybe it is nowadays. Remember the old classics? Those songs made more sense and had lyrics that said something.

I agree, but that's a whole different discussion.




And was it discussed already in here about his (IMUS) Jigaboo's comment?
How he called it, the........ "Jigaboos (Rutgers) vs the Wannabees" (Tenn. - I'm guessing because of the lighter features and straighter hair).

[Cleo McDowell]

Dont lump ALL rap music together in that sentence, because your view of rap is whatever BET/MTV/Radio shows you. There is plenty of rap not consisting of those things above.
And just about every genre of music has artists who glorify the above comments.
Death Metal, Reggae, Rock & Roll.............etc.
You might as well say Music is sin.



Johnny Cash.

its a role.


Will white america ever understand the minority role? Sympathize.

Just a few reasons why we need groups to address minority rights, why we need a united negro college fund, BET, AZN TV and minority networks...

Lets take off our idealist hats and be real..

White privilege may be subtle or "invisible" to those who benefit from it. McIntosh (1989) and Jensen (1998) suggest some less obvious privileges that attach to being white in America:

Whites can turn on the television or read the newspaper and expect to see members of their own race widely represented;

Whites can expect their children to read books and materials in school that affirm and discuss the history of their race;

Whites can swear, dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having others attribute these behaviors to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of their race - HA!

Whites can speak their opinions without being asked to speak for their race

Whites can do well without being called credits to their race

Whites easily locate books, greeting cards, toys, and magazines prominently featuring members of their race

Whites do not have to wonder whether they are being singled out because of their race when being approached by the police

Whites can take jobs without accusations that they were hired as part of racial quotas

Whites are most often evaluated by members of their own race

Whites do not appear threatening to those of the dominant culture

Whites have higher incomes than African, native Americans(indigenous), and some peeople of Latin America

White privilege may be subtle or "invisible" to those who benefit from it.

[Dukes]

Whites can expect their children to read books and materials in school that affirm and discuss the history of their race;

I didn't read your whole post, because I couldn't get past this comment.

I don't know where you went to school, but the public school I went to celebrated black history month, and..... OMG there were BOOKS about it! Amazing isn't it? I better stop now before I get banned

[55CrushEm]

Let's hear the defense of rap "music". Anyone? Is there an artistic grace or license in bashing and trashing women and whites like they do in those things? Glorifying drugs? Glorifying murder and killing?

Rap music is sin.

Rap "music" just sucks.....plain and simple.

[Cleo McDowell]

Whites can expect their children to read books and materials in school that affirm and discuss the history of their race;


I didn't read your whole post, because I couldn't get past this comment.


I don't know where you went to school, but the public school I went to celebrated black history month, and..... OMG there were BOOKS about it! Amazing isn't it? I better stop now before I get banned

you are so smart.

you missed the point.
how about latino history? how about asian history?

99 percent of you who grew up in american institutions were taught that guys like Christopher Columbus were heroes.. A hero to whom? If i was native american this is would not be an accurate portrayal of my history.

Never did i learn alternative perspectives until college reading The People's History of the United States

[Dukes]

you are so smart.

you missed the point.
how about latino history? how about asian history?


I was taught, like i am sure 99percent of you who grew up in american institutions that guys like Christopher Columbus were heroes.. A hero to whom?

Never did i learn alternative perspectives until college reading The People's History of the United States

I'm not going to defend our school systems, or the books. Because there are a lot of inaccuracies in text books. But most public schools don't have the time to teach everything that has gone on in the world. Most of the subjects are covered in a matter of hours, that's really not much time at all.

[chaz]

Don Imus is the ugliest person i've ever seen.

[errand]

When I saw this thread I knew you'd make some type of comment like that. After all you are the resident racist. This is just one more example of your low opinion about the black race.

...yeah, but not as low as the majority of blacks think about themselves. Derogatory names are derogatory names regardless of who says them. The airwaves are filled with tons of rap songs singing about how black men slap their "b****es" or "Ho's", and throw the N word around like it's water ina restaurant.

More than likely, these same women probably have Scoop Doggy Doo and tons of other rap stars on their Ipods spewing the same crap this moron Imus said.

I guess it's OK to call a woman a "nappy headed Ho" as long as the right person is saying it. I'm glad my happiness isn't tied to what other people think or say about me.

I'll quote a line from "Roadhouse" when the bar staff is being advised to "be nice" by Patrick Swayze. One replies, "Well what if someone calls my mom a whore?"

Swayze replies - "Is she?"

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm not going to defend our school systems, or the books. Because there are a lot of inaccuracies in text books. But most public schools don't have the time to teach everything that has gone on in the world. Most of the subjects are covered in a matter of hours, that's really not much time at all.
Bunk.

Huge portions of history are omitted from the public education system because they are embarassing and make us feel uncomfortable. How does the song go?

..."When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school...it's a wonder I can think at all!"

Black history was covered in my all white high school...I think the slave trade was discussed on a tuesday in the 10th grade if I'm not mistaken. Uhh

[Garcia Bronco]

All this idiocy about the term "nappy headed" applying to anyone of any race is merely another laughable attempt to excuse this fool....

You'd be wrong about that

[footstepsfrom#27]

Don Imus is the ugliest person i've ever seen.
Craig Ferguson was on last night posting his pix next to Freddie Krueger...funny stuff.

[Garcia Bronco]

Just awesome...why ain't this in my collection I'll never know

Chorus)
Hooooooooo (Ho)
Youza Hoooooo (Ho)
Youza Hoooooo (Ho)
I said that youza hooooo (Ho)
(Repeat 1x)
(Ludacris)
You doin ho activities
With ho tendencies
Hos are your friends, hoes are your enemies
With ho energy to do whacha do
Blew whacha blew
Screw whacha screw
Yall professional like DJ Clue, pullin on my coat tail
an why do you think you take a ho to a hotel?
Hotel everybody, even the mayor
Reach up in tha sky for tha hozone laya
Come on playa once a ho always
And hos never close they open like hallways
An heres a ho cake for you whole ho crew
an everybody wants some cuz hoes gotta eat too
(chorus x2)
(Ludacris)
Cant turn a ho into a housewife
Hos dont act right
Theres hos on a mission, an hoes on a crackpipe
Hey ho how ya doin, where ya been?
Prolly doin ho stuff cuz there you ho again
Its a ho wide world, that we livin in
feline, feminine, fantastical, women
Not all, just some
You ho who you are
Theres hoes in tha room, theres hoes in tha car
theres hoes on stage, theres hoes by tha bar
hos by near, an hos by far
Ho! (But can i getta ride?!)
NO! (Cmon, ****a why?!)
Cuz youza
(chorus 2x)
(Ludacris)
You gotta run in your pantyhos
Even your daddy knows
that you suckin down chocolate like daddy-o's
You hos are horrible, horrendous
On taxes ya'll writin off hos as dependents
I see tha ho risin
it aint surprisin
its just a hoasis
with ugly chicks faces
but hos dont feel so sad and blue
cuz most of us ****az is hos too
(chorus x2)
(Ho)
Mutha****as im so tiired of yall ****az always talkin
bout hos this, hos that, you tha mutha****in ho ****a
I wasnt no ho last night
(Pimp)
Ho, bring yo ass!
(Ho)
Ok, hold on

[footstepsfrom#27]

You'd be wrong about that
Uh huh...like I was wrong about the judge too...Uhh

[Garcia Bronco]

Uh huh...like I was wrong about the judge too...Uhh

You mean the girl that commited assault and went to jail for a year like she deserved...yeah...that judge.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Just awesome...why ain't this in my collection I'll never know

Chorus)
Hooooooooo (Ho)
Youza Hoooooo (Ho)
Youza Hoooooo (Ho)
I said that youza hooooo (Ho)
(Repeat 1x)
(Ludacris)
You doin ho activities
With ho tendencies
Hos are your friends, hoes are your enemies
With ho energy to do whacha do
Blew whacha blew
Screw whacha screw
Yall professional like DJ Clue, pullin on my coat tail
an why do you think you take a ho to a hotel?
Hotel everybody, even the mayor
Reach up in tha sky for tha hozone laya
Come on playa once a ho always
And hos never close they open like hallways
An heres a ho cake for you whole ho crew
an everybody wants some cuz hoes gotta eat too
(chorus x2)
(Ludacris)
Cant turn a ho into a housewife
Hos dont act right
Theres hos on a mission, an hoes on a crackpipe
Hey ho how ya doin, where ya been?
Prolly doin ho stuff cuz there you ho again
Its a ho wide world, that we livin in
feline, feminine, fantastical, women
Not all, just some
You ho who you are
Theres hoes in tha room, theres hoes in tha car
theres hoes on stage, theres hoes by tha bar
hos by near, an hos by far
Ho! (But can i getta ride?!)
NO! (Cmon, ****a why?!)
Cuz youza
(chorus 2x)
(Ludacris)
You gotta run in your pantyhos
Even your daddy knows
that you suckin down chocolate like daddy-o's
You hos are horrible, horrendous
On taxes ya'll writin off hos as dependents
I see tha ho risin
it aint surprisin
its just a hoasis
with ugly chicks faces
but hos dont feel so sad and blue
cuz most of us ****az is hos too
(chorus x2)
(Ho)
Mutha****as im so tiired of yall ****az always talkin
bout hos this, hos that, you tha mutha****in ho ****a
I wasnt no ho last night
(Pimp)
Ho, bring yo ass!
(Ho)
Ok, hold on



Eesh... I can only imagine what that video must be like. Like I said earlier... Imus's comments are minor league compared to mainstream rap.

[Garcia Bronco]

This one is even better, not for children to read.

Bitches lyrics
(feat. Butch Cassidy, Roscoe)

[Chorus X2-Butch Cassidy]
A bitch ain't nothin to me
Now let me tell you cuz I'm quick to put them ho's on the street
Make 'em bow down on they knees and do whatever
Cuz I'm clever ho's give what I need

[Verse 1-Kurupt]
Hey bitch, what you lookin at me strange fo'
Askin me if a ****a drive a Range Rov'
Whatever reason you may have on your mind
It must be coke or grass on your mind
Kickin back like you lost all your mind
I'ma put my foot in your behind
Until you got footprints on your behind
I'm cool at the club
I love it when the ladies do what they love
Pass around hugs
Whatever she done to get the ones ain't my concern
I'm live in the club, nickel sacks and dubbs
If you wanna strip ain't my concern

[Chorus X2-Butch Cassidy]
A bitch ain't nothin to me
Now let me tell you cuz I'm quick to put them ho's on the street
Make 'em bow down on they knees and do whatever
Cuz I'm clever ho's give what I need

[Verse 2-Roscoe]
Let's get on the good foot and do the bad things
Prayin donkey to Chinese shag swing
I'm a young arso' powers get tossed for hours
If I'ma do ya I'm use the Kamasucha when we shaggin
Have ya braggin, to all your homegirls
About this young thug who can rock ya world
Tellin 'em all how you wish you could be my girl
And I got skirts from the bottom to the top of the world
See I'm on top of the world, why you mad at her?
Get used to it I'm toppin him girl
Pop in love with the girls, and I do it just like Kurupt
I wanna see you happy, doin what you love
Especially when what you love is me
Makin sure I keep plenty bud and bubbly
You know the rules ma, it's just the thug in me
Now pay pimpin, or raise up from underneath, ya dig?

[Chorus X2-Butch Cassidy]
A bitch ain't nothin to me
Now let me tell you cuz I'm quick to put them ho's on the street
Make 'em bow down on they knees and do whatever
Cuz I'm clever ho's give what I need

[Verse 3-Butch Cassidy]
Bitch been sad before, but some ****az ran just ain't learnin though
I don't want your ho so tell me what you fightin fo'
Once we all were cool but now he stressin got him actin like a fool
I gotta keep my distance now, it ain't my fault that ho's confused

[Chorus X2-Butch Cassidy]
A bitch ain't nothin to me
Now let me tell you cuz I'm quick to put them ho's on the street
Make 'em bow down on they knees and do whatever
Cuz I'm clever ho's give what I need

[Dukes]

Bunk.

Huge portions of history are omitted from the public education system because they are embarassing and make us feel uncomfortable. How does the song go?

..."When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school...it's a wonder I can think at all!"

Black history was covered in my all white high school...I think the slave trade was discussed on a tuesday in the 10th grade if I'm not mistaken. Uhh

Not my school. We had weeks set aside for black history.

[Garcia Bronco]

Not my school. We had weeks set aside for black history.

Mine too..We even did a play about it every year in feb..I didn't grow iup in east Texas...which according to some here is completely racist down to the last person.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You mean the girl that commited assault and went to jail for a year like she deserved...yeah...that judge.
Guess you haven't been paying attention have you? The PROSECUTOR in the case has now backed down on his claimis that the mother was non compliant, and admitted point blank that she affirmed in the positive her willingness to participate in counseling...which means she was railroaded...in addition to that...the entire Texas Youth Commission is being scathingly rebuked and is under federal investigation for among other things...deliberately holding kids longer than their sentences allowed. Three days ago they released an 18 year old boy who was beaten routinely by other inmates while TYC guards stood by and did nothing.

I'm sure you're aware of most of this though since you fled the scene of the other thread as soon as the news came down that the girl was being released and the judge's other decisions are also under review.

[JimmyFocus]

Not my school. We had weeks set aside for black history.

weeks .... really?.... weeks?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Not my school. We had weeks set aside for black history.
Congradulations. You graduated in...what...2002? The history of this country was dominated for 300 years by elements of black history. Nice to see they're now devoting "weeks" to understanding that...LOL

[footstepsfrom#27]

Mine too..We even did a play about it every year in feb..I didn't grow iup in east Texas...which according to some here is completely racist down to the last person.
Really? Who said that? Got a link?

[Garcia Bronco]

Guess you haven't been paying attention have you? The PROSECUTOR in the case has now backed down on his claimis that the mother was non compliant, and admitted point blank that she affirmed in the positive her willingness to participate in counseling...which means she was railroaded...in addition to that...the entire Texas Youth Commission is being scathingly rebuked and is under federal investion for among other things...deliberately holding kids longer than their sentences allowed. Three days ago they released an 18 year old boy who was beaten routinely by other inmates while TYC guards stood by and did nothing.

I'm sure you're aware of most of this though since you fled the scene of the other thread as soon as the news came down that the girl was being released and the judge's other decisions are also under review.


If the news she was offered probation was wrong pre-trial...I have know control over that...however...she confessed she was guilty of assault of an old woman and she deserved to go to jail for a year...which is what I would have done. What is so hard for you to understand. the reason I quit talking to you in the thread was because of your inability act in a civil manner, your insulting tone, and the fact that you don't have the people skills to carry on a discussion. .


If the TYC is corrupt...that's on Texas and all the more reason not to put one self in position to be an inmate there..Hopefully Ms cotten as learned that lesson.

[errand]

Johnny Cash.

its a role.


Will white america ever understand the minority role? Sympathize.

Just a few reasons why we need groups to address minority rights, why we need a united negro college fund, BET, AZN TV and minority networks...

Lets take off our idealist hats and be real..

White privilege may be subtle or "invisible" to those who benefit from it. McIntosh (1989) and Jensen (1998) suggest some less obvious privileges that attach to being white in America:

Whites can turn on the television or read the newspaper and expect to see members of their own race widely represented;

Whites can expect their children to read books and materials in school that affirm and discuss the history of their race;

Whites can swear, dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having others attribute these behaviors to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of their race - HA!

Whites can speak their opinions without being asked to speak for their race

Whites can do well without being called credits to their race

Whites easily locate books, greeting cards, toys, and magazines prominently featuring members of their race

Whites do not have to wonder whether they are being singled out because of their race when being approached by the police

Whites can take jobs without accusations that they were hired as part of racial quotas

Whites are most often evaluated by members of their own race

Whites do not appear threatening to those of the dominant culture

Whites have higher incomes than African, native Americans(indigenous), and some peeople of Latin America

White privilege may be subtle or "invisible" to those who benefit from it.

Since you like to point out the privileges of being "white", let's keep 'em going.

Whites don't get their panties in a wad when someone calls them a name.

Whites don't riot in the streets and commit acts of vadalism, rape and murder when a verdict they don't like is handed down.

Whites don't complain when cops racially profile them looking for a serial killer.

Whites laugh when black comedians say they can't dance or jump and are slow.

Whites (Eminem is the lone exception I guess) don't go around singing about slapping their bitches, ho's or gunning down cops and their adversaries

Whites start off in a 20-0 hole vs blacks and other minorities when trying to get into U of Michigan Law School

Whites get to read or hear about Tiger Woods all day long despite the fact he's in 8th place 7 strokes off the lead.

Whites get to buy yet another Madden video game that hasn't featured a white player on the cover since it started using players in '99.

Whites have no organization to cry to when a less qualified person is hired or promoted to satisfy racial quotas.

Whites don't worry about why there aren't more white RB's, DB's, or WR's.


The Black Congressional Caucus.

Black Entertainment Television

Black History Month

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (blacks)

Ebony magazine

Jet magazine

Sepia magazine

Players magazine

Black Entrepenuer magazine

Now imagine your outrage if the highlighted words were changed to "White" or "Caucasian".....

Want to end racism? Start by changing your own attitude.

[Garcia Bronco]

Really? Who said that? Got a link?

You said it when you said that East Texas is racist. what other conclusion would one come to? And you know which thread it's in.

[REB]

Oy vey...Imagine my surprise

[Cleo McDowell]

Since you like to point out the privileges of being "white", let's keep 'em going.

Whites don't get their panties in a wad when someone calls them a name.

Whites don't riot in the streets and commit acts of vadalism, rape and murder when a verdict they don't like is handed down.

Whites don't complain when cops racially profile them looking for a serial killer.

Whites laugh when black comedians say they can't dance or jump and are slow.

Whites (Eminem is the lone exception I guess) don't go around singing about slapping their b****es, ho's or gunning down cops and their adversaries

Whites start off in a 20-0 hole vs blacks and other minorities when trying to get into U of Michigan Law School

Whites get to read or hear about Tiger Woods all day long despite the fact he's in 8th place 7 strokes off the lead.

Whites get to buy yet another Madden video game that hasn't featured a white player on the cover since it started using players in '99.

Whites have no organization to cry to when a less qualified person is hired or promoted to satisfy racial quotas.

Whites don't worry about why there aren't more white RB's, DB's, or WR's.


The Black Congressional Caucus.

Black Entertainment Television

Black History Month

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (blacks)

Ebony magazine

Jet magazine

Sepia magazine

Players magazine

Black Entrepenuer magazine

Now imagine your outrage if the highlighted words were changed to "White" or "Caucasian".....

Want to end racism? Start by changing your own attitude.

you obviously don't get the point. key word: Minority.

[errand]

Black history was covered in my all white high school...I think the slave trade was discussed on a tuesday in the 10th grade if I'm not mistaken. Uhh

So tell us, on that fateful Tuesday in the 10th grade, did you learn that the vast majority of black slaves were sold to the whites by other blacks? BTW, the slave trade is alive and well in Africa. Which in case you forgot is predominantly black.

[Northman]

Don't you mean NAPPY headed ho's ?

Anyway.....I really don't care what happens to Imus.....I don't listen to him.

My only take is what ever happened to "Sticks and stones...."?

Everytime someone says something that "offends" a minority, people are calling for said person to be sued/fired, etc.......kind of sad.


Bravo. I didnt even need to read through the rest of thread as i feel the exact same way. Who gives a **** what Imus thinks?