Bly Not Shy/49ers could dictate Denver pick

[dragondawg]

Bly not shy cornering friendship with "Mr. B"
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Broncos, NFL Beat Reporter



Dré Bly was at Dove Valley for a couple of hours, and the guy looked like he owned the place. You've got to love that in a cornerback.

Bly was just finishing a radio interview Monday, shortly after he signed a five- year extension cementing his stay in Denver, when Broncos owner Pat Bowlen walked through the Dove Valley lobby.

"Mr. B, meet my wife," Bly called out.

How about that. The guy is already calling Bowlen "Mr. B."

Bly and his wife, Kristyn, engaged his new employer in a spirited and lively conversation. How many of us would feel confident enough to call the person who signs our checks by a nickname the first day on the job?

But Bly is a cornerback. The guy has confidence, and he'll need it.

It is apparent the Broncos got a big-league player in Bly. Simply having the gumption to call Bowlen "Mr. B" so early in his Denver career doesn't mean Bly will be a shut-down cornerback. But it shows the guy believes in himself.

"I'm a social guy," Bly said later. "I love people. I know what I can bring here, and I want people to know I feel good about this."

For the month of March, it appeared Bly wasn't going to be happy in Denver after his trade from Detroit. He originally wanted to play for the Washington Redskins. But by all appearances, Bly is comfortable here now.

Just ask Mr. B.

High pick expected in town

Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas was expected to spend the weekend in Denver to relax before three hectic weeks leading up to the NFL draft. Thomas likely will be the second pick.

Thomas' agent is Denver-based Peter Schaffer, who scheduled Thomas to come in to unwind and prepare for the April 28-29 draft. Schaffer said it's a good diversion for Thomas as he readies for his life to change.

Thomas visited Tampa Bay last week and is expected to travel to Detroit and Washington, too. The Lions have the No. 2 choice, but they likely will trade it to a team targeting Thomas.

49ers could dictate Denver pick

It appears the 49ers are looking at Nebraska defensive end Adam Carriker for their top pick. That will interest Denver, which is studying the lineman known for his pass-rushing skills and high motor. If Carriker is gone, Denver, which has the No. 21 pick, could zone in on Purdue defensive end Anthony Spencer, a pass rusher on the rise.

It will be interesting to see if Mississippi inside linebacker Patrick Willis lasts until the 49ers' pick at No. 11. If so, they likely will take him. Detroit also is interested in trading down from No. 2 and taking Willis.

Shell back with league office

Former Oakland coach Art Shell again is working for the NFL on a special project. Shell is reviewing appeals remaining from the 2006 season. Shell previously had that role as part of his duties before returning to the Raiders for a one-year stint as their head coach. Ted Cottrell held the job until being named the defensive coordinator for San Diego in January.

Around the league

There was talk last year that the Broncos were intrigued by San Francisco guard Justin Smiley. The 49ers are said to be shopping him, but it's unlikely Denver would make another run because of cost issues and less need. ... It's a stretch to think Denver will take a hard look at Ricky Williams, should the NFL reinstate the running back. The Broncos once liked him, but with Travis Henry - and Williams' issues and age - that perspective has likely changed. ... Former CU running back Chris Brown is talking to three teams: Buffalo, Tennessee and Green Bay. If he stays with the Titans, he will compete with Denver native LenDale White. Word is White still needs to trim about 10 pounds before training camp. ... Expect the Broncos to continue exploring a move up in the draft, but since the team has spent so much money in free agency, a top-10 move might not happen. It is more likely to be top 15. ... Denver could jump on Atlanta nose tackle Grady Jackson if he is cut.

Jackson is in the middle of a lawsuit against the Falcons.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5618715

[watermock]

Waffle Willy is such an idiot he can't differenciate between a compliment and arrogance.

[Vladimir]

I really want Adam Carriker.

[watermock]

I want Brittany Spears 10 years ago.

No way I move up for Carriker.

[NFLBRONCO]

I want Nelson Meriweather or DE in round 1.

[Florida_Bronco]

I really want Adam Carriker.

IMO, he's exactly what this D-line needs. I think Carriker will be a stud in the NFL.

[Kaylore]

could zone in on Purdue defensive end Anthony Spencer, a pass rusher on the rise.

I would throw up. He is not a first round pick.

[Requiem]

Not going to buy into the Carriker talk, even though Wabbit has been stating he's a target. Chad Jackson was that guy last year, and obviously he wasn't the man - so I'm going to be safe and assume it's someone else. I like Carriker, but not as much as a lot of people on here. I think he's workout very well, but he will not perform well in the NFL because of how he times.

I'd be happy with him, but no trading up for him. Not worth it.

[Requiem]

I would throw up. He is not a first round pick.

Outside Adams, Anderson and Carriker, all of them are borderline first-round talent and that's just the truth.

Moss will go in the first due to upside, but he has big question marks.

Spencer is a smart, instinctive player who can play the run and rush the passer, but is he a true DE or a tweener?

Abiamiri and Crowder work the part, but can they play it in the NFL?

Can Moses be a end threat in the NFL?

Is Charles Johnson going to be the next Charles Grant, or is most of his potential already tapped?

Best option here, trade down several spots - gain additional picks and take one of the guys who aren't the top three. Grades in my opinion are relatively the same (some higher than others, but not much higher) and probably will all have similar pro careers.

[NFLBRONCO]

Not going to buy into the Carriker talk, even though Wabbit has been stating he's a target. Chad Jackson was that guy last year, and obviously he wasn't the man - so I'm going to be safe and assume it's someone else. I like Carriker, but not as much as a lot of people on here. I think he's workout very well, but he will not perform well in the NFL because of how he times.

I'd be happy with him, but no trading up for him. Not worth it.

I'm with you on this one.

[Requiem]

My defensive line rankings for right now, nothing will probably change unless something major happens before the draft.

Req's End Rankings

1) Gaines Adams
2) Jamaal Anderson
3) Adam Carriker
4) Jarvis Moss
5) Tim Crowder
6) Anthony Spencer
7) Quentin Moses
8) Victor Abiamiri
9) Charles Johnson

And a screwball at #10, Baraka Atkins - maybe more as a 3-4 guy - but he rounds her off.

[NFLBRONCO]

My defensive line rankings for right now, nothing will probably change unless something major happens before the draft.

Req's End Rankings

1) Gaines Adams
2) Jamaal Anderson
3) Adam Carriker
4) Jarvis Moss
5) Tim Crowder
6) Anthony Spencer
7) Quentin Moses
8) Victor Abiamiri
9) Charles Johnson

And a screwball at #10, Baraka Atkins - maybe more as a 3-4 guy - but he rounds her off.


How do you rank S?

[Requiem]

Defensive End, Safety and Wide Receiver are the only positions I'm keeping really in depth rankings on, because I think these are positions that the Broncos are likely to target, and the positions I know most about the prospects at each. I'll do my top ten guys at safety.

Req's Safety Rankings

1) LaRon Landry
2) Michael Griffin
3) Reggie Nelson
4) Eric Weddle
5) Josh Gattis
6) Brandon Merriweather
7) Michael Johnson
8) Sabby Piscitelli
9) John Wendling
10) Aaron Rouse

[Atlas]

I want Brittany Spears 10 years ago.



What's wrong with her now? She is just a little crazier... I like that in a girl.

One day she is blond the next day she has no hair......that is sexy!!

[Broncos4Life]

Yeah I really want to c us draft mr. carriker as well. Dude would really give us an extra spark to the line.

[dragondawg]

i could see us trading our first and our third to move up

[watermock]

Unfortunately, their sexual libido is inversely proportional to their insanity. Trust me.

[BroncoFiend]

I want Brittany Spears 10 years ago.

No way I move up for Carriker.

10 years ago Brittany Spears was under age...FREAK:)

[joe9999]

My defensive line rankings for right now, nothing will probably change unless something major happens before the draft.

Req's End Rankings

1) Gaines Adams
2) Jamaal Anderson
3) Adam Carriker
4) Jarvis Moss
5) Tim Crowder
6) Anthony Spencer
7) Quentin Moses
8) Victor Abiamiri
9) Charles Johnson

And a screwball at #10, Baraka Atkins - maybe more as a 3-4 guy - but he rounds her off.


I like reading your posts. I compared your rankings to those of Rick Gosselin, who is recognized as one of the best at picking draft postion. Here is his rankings. You can see that he has Carriker rated lower.

DEFENSIVE END
Player School Ht. Wt.
1. Gaines Adams Clemson 6-4½ 258
2. Jamaal Anderson Arkansas 6-5 288
3. Jarvis Moss Florida 6-6½ 250
4. Anthony Spencer Purdue 6-2½ 261
5. Adam Carriker Nebraska 6-6 296

His other position rankings are here:

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/03/rick-gosselins-2007-nfl-draft-rankings/

[theAPAOps5]

10 years ago Brittany Spears was under age...FREAK:)

He knows thats why he said that.

[BroncoInferno]

I would throw up. He is not a first round pick.

Yeah, we don't need a guy with 26 tackles for loss as a senior playing on our line Uhh

He would be an excellent pick and a perfect fit for Bates' ends-up-the-field-scheme.

[Barry Ramey]

The problem with Carriker is while a 4.9 is not bad for a guy 6'6, 290+lbs, which is what he ran at the combine, it's not very good for a DE and one has to question if he can turn the corner and beat very many OT's in the NFL. Moss and Spencer both ran 4.7's and that's the kind of speed at least to be a pass rushing DE in the NFL. I still like Carriker as a DT, though not sure Carriker is that good a fit in Bates' system since he seems to like speedy DE's and big DT's that take up space, so not sure where Carriker fits in that. But I do think Carriker will be more effective inside in most defenses.

[BroncoInferno]

I agree with those who think Carriker may be a smoke screen. He really doesn't seem to fit the mold of a DE or DT in a Bates scheme. He is not a super speedy, up-the-field one-gapper as an end, and not a big fat blocker-occupier as a DT. Then again, if they like him enough, they'll find a way to make him fit. But I'd expect someone like Spencer or Moss if we go DE.

[Barry Ramey]

Outside Adams, Anderson and Carriker, all of them are borderline first-round talent and that's just the truth.

Moss will go in the first due to upside, but he has big question marks.

Spencer is a smart, instinctive player who can play the run and rush the passer, but is he a true DE or a tweener?

Abiamiri and Crowder work the part, but can they play it in the NFL?

Can Moses be a end threat in the NFL?

Is Charles Johnson going to be the next Charles Grant, or is most of his potential already tapped?

Best option here, trade down several spots - gain additional picks and take one of the guys who aren't the top three. Grades in my opinion are relatively the same (some higher than others, but not much higher) and probably will all have similar pro careers.


Yep, I have stated I would rather they traded down myself. Some argue it's not a deep draft, so not worth trading down, but I disagree. If you have done your homework, you can find gems in the mid to later rounds no matter the depth of the draft.

[BroncoInferno]

The problem with Carriker is while a 4.9 is not bad for a guy 6'6, 290+lbs, which is what he ran at the combine, it's not very good for a DE and one has to question if he can turn the corner and beat very many OT's in the NFL. Moss and Spencer both ran 4.7's and that's the kind of speed at least to be a pass rushing DE in the NFL. I still like Carriker as a DT, though not sure Carriker is that good a fit in Bates' system since he seems to like speedy DE's and big DT's that take up space, so not sure where Carriker fits in that. But I do think Carriker will be more effective inside in most defenses.

I agree. He sort of reminds me of Pryce in a way. Certainly not a thing wrong with that in terms of a skill set stand point but, as you said, he's probably going to be most effective as either a DT in a one-gap scheme or as a 3-4 DE.

[yerner]

Wow, Dre Bly talks to the owner and calls him Mr. Intringuing stuff Williamson. Next up.. Bly shops for tan drapes. What a douchebag.

[Inkana7]

The 49ers could dictate our pick?! Really?! Wow Billy! Ever pause to think that maybe, oh, I don't know, every team before us could dictate ours?

Christ, why is he still there?

[WoodMan]

What's wrong with her now? She is just a little crazier... I like that in a girl.

One day she is blond the next day she has no hair......that is sexy!!

I was going to say...... Crazier and a hell of alot richer. My kind of woman!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I like reading your posts. I compared your rankings to those of Rick Gosselin, who is recognized as one of the best at picking draft postion. Here is his rankings. You can see that he has Carriker rated lower.


Depends on how you define pick. If he "picks" draft position by just regurgitating what his very well placed sources around the league tell him, then yes, he does a pretty good job of gauging draft position. But he's not someone like Kiper or anyone who runs a draft site who comes out with their own stuff.

[Wes Mantooth]

I want Brittany Spears 10 years ago.

No way I move up for Carriker.

Wouldn't that make Britney about 15? They have websites that track people like you mock.

[WoodMan]

The problem with Carriker is while a 4.9 is not bad for a guy 6'6, 290+lbs, which is what he ran at the combine, it's not very good for a DE and one has to question if he can turn the corner and beat very many OT's in the NFL. Moss and Spencer both ran 4.7's and that's the kind of speed at least to be a pass rushing DE in the NFL. I still like Carriker as a DT, though not sure Carriker is that good a fit in Bates' system since he seems to like speedy DE's and big DT's that take up space, so not sure where Carriker fits in that. But I do think Carriker will be more effective inside in most defenses.

The 40 is a bogus stat for linemen. Probably should be timing them in the 10 or 15. Quick first few steps is more important than straight line speed.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Jim Armstrong weighs in:

Don't be so sure the Broncos will go for a defensive end in the first round of the draft. A D-tackle is just as likely now that Dan Wilkinson has decided he would rather be a couch potato than a run stuffer. Said new coordinator Jim Bates: "It always starts up the middle. If you're good in run defense up the middle, it makes your whole team better. I think that's a starting point." ...

Good news on that front. The Broncos have the 21st selection, the same pick the Pats had in 2004 when they grabbed Vince Wilfork. ...


Someone should tell Jim that unless Branch (or in fantasy land, Okoye) falls to #21, any other DT Denver takes at that spot is a huge reach.

[Barry Ramey]

The 40 is a bogus stat for linemen. Probably should be timing them in the 10 or 15. Quick first few steps is more important than straight line speed.

Yes, but being at DE, even if get by the tackle, still have a ways to go to get to the QB and he doesn't have great long range speed. Carriker's speed seems better with ther shorter distances, which is why I like him at DT since they are generally closer to the QB.

[Barry Ramey]

I agree. He sort of reminds me of Pryce in a way. Certainly not a thing wrong with that in terms of a skill set stand point but, as you said, he's probably going to be most effective as either a DT in a one-gap scheme or as a 3-4 DE.

Yep, I think many 3-4 teams will have more interest in Carriker or teams looking to just be big on the DL. I just don't think he fits with the Broncos apparently want to do.

[Barry Ramey]

Jim Armstrong weighs in:



Someone should tell Jim that unless Branch (or in fantasy land, Okoye) falls to #21, any other DT Denver takes at that spot is a huge reach.

True, they could reach and take Harrell or Tyler at #21, but doubtful that would be good value there since likely bypassing players with more potential and ability. Easier to find run stuffers at DT later than a pass rusher at DE who can get heat on the QB.

[want2bAbronco2]

I want Nelson Meriweather or DE in round 1.

agree 110%

[JCMElway]

My defensive line rankings for right now, nothing will probably change unless something major happens before the draft.

Req's End Rankings

1) Gaines Adams
2) Jamaal Anderson
3) Adam Carriker
4) Jarvis Moss
5) Tim Crowder
6) Anthony Spencer
7) Quentin Moses
8) Victor Abiamiri
9) Charles Johnson

And a screwball at #10, Baraka Atkins - maybe more as a 3-4 guy - but he rounds her off.



So, If Moss was available at 21 would you take him at that point, or trade down?

[JCMElway]

It's looking more and more like Carriker will be gone by #21. Unless we are trading up for Gaines Adams, we may be giving up too much. I guess it all depends on how Shanny feels about Jarvis Moss. If Shan and Sundquist like him, snag him at 21. If not, trading down a few spot and picking up a 3rd or 4th rounder would work.

If we trade down seeing Spencer, Mozes, Abiamiri, of C Johnson in orange and blue would not bother me at all.

[Jens1893]

It's looking more and more like Carriker will be gone by #21. Unless we are trading up for Gaines Adams, we may be giving up too much. I guess it all depends on how Shanny feels about Jarvis Moss. If Shan and Sundquist like him, snag him at 21. If not, trading down a few spot and picking up a 3rd or 4th rounder would work.

If we trade down seeing Spencer, Mozes, Abiamiri, of C Johnson in orange and blue would not bother me at all.

We could always trade one of our 2 thirds to move up a few spots ... and Jamaal Anderson´s stock is dropping.

[Evenrude]

Carriker is a better player at 275 than he is at 290.... I'm not sure why he is morphing into a DT, cause he is great DE.

[HEAV]

Shanny wants a MLB, he sees the draft is over flowing with DE's. He's selling the idea of DE to Fat Billy and anyone else who will listen and then print it in a paper/blog.

Shanny's going to try and move up. He's made cap space with Rod,Bly's new deal,Champ and others. Shanny's ready to dump Al's salary in a second.

To me (IMO) he's setting up for a surprise move and pick. He's going for Pat Willis. Shanny see's the talent on his roster is heavy at DE and weak at LB. He going to get the LB and worry about a DE in later rounds.

[Rohirrim]

Not going to buy into the Carriker talk, even though Wabbit has been stating he's a target. Chad Jackson was that guy last year, and obviously he wasn't the man - so I'm going to be safe and assume it's someone else. I like Carriker, but not as much as a lot of people on here. I think he's workout very well, but he will not perform well in the NFL because of how he times.

I'd be happy with him, but no trading up for him. Not worth it.

No offense, but that is a ridiculous statement. How many players without orthodox times have been stars in the NFL? The list is too long to post. Let's start with Jerry Rice...

[HEAV]

Let's start with Jerry Rice...

TD was considered slow also.

Workouts and times are hype. Pure hype. It's what the players does on game days that counts.

Every year a guy moves up and a guy moves down due to the hype of the workouts.

I'd rather see his game film and what he did in action, then watch him jump and lift and run on a track.

[Requiem]

So, If Moss was available at 21 would you take him at that point, or trade down?

I sway back and forth on this, he's such a good fit for what Bates wants to do - it'd be hard to - but it'd depend on who else is there. I know that's a cop out answer, but if Alan Branch was there, I'd take Branch eight days out of the week over Moss.

[BroncoInferno]

Jim Armstrong weighs in:



Someone should tell Jim that unless Branch (or in fantasy land, Okoye) falls to #21, any other DT Denver takes at that spot is a huge reach.

Harrell is solid #1 pick on a lot of boards.

[footstepsfrom#27]

This might be a note of some significance in this article...
Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas was expected to spend the weekend in Denver to relax before three hectic weeks leading up to the NFL draft. Thomas likely will be the second pick.

Thomas' agent is Denver-based Peter Schaffer, who scheduled Thomas to come in to unwind and prepare for the April 28-29 draft. Schaffer said it's a good diversion for Thomas as he readies for his life to change.
Does anyone else wonder if Thomas is here to do more than "relax"? Denver never visits with players it intends to draft in the first round...right? Vague references to a continuing dialogue between Detroit and Denver still filter out now...Hey Wabbit...can you sneak around and find out if some dude about Shanny's size wearing dark sunglasses and a hat is "relaxing" with Joe Thomas while he's in town?

[Paladin]

Sometimes there are no conspiracies. Sometimes people tell the truth. Sometimes players come to Denver to unwind in the snowy, cold weather, unless they ski a lot. Sometimes sitting around an indoor pool in Denver is better than a day at the South Beach, particularly at Easter Time.

I don't think for a minute there is a conspiracy here.

Not a New York minute.

They got nothing to trade to Detroit......

But if they were to pick up a Grady Jackson or a Shawn Rogers or such, then I might think there could be a conspiracy.....

[bdv]

This might be a note of some significance in this article...

Does anyone else wonder if Thomas is here to do more than "relax"? Denver never visits with players it intends to draft in the first round...right? Vague references to a continuing dialogue between Detroit and Denver still filter out now...Hey Wabbit...can you sneak around and find out if some dude about Shanny's size wearing dark sunglasses and a hat is "relaxing" with Joe Thomas while he's in town?

I'd love nothing more than to get Joe Thomas! I would be ecstatic for the long term success and health of Cutler, and for the success of our running game. Thomas would help us in many ways. As I've said before, he is a rare talent - big, strong, yet still fast enough for our zone blocking. My concern is, after trading up, would we have any draft picks left to do the things we need to do on defense? i.e. S and DL.

[Kaylore]

My defensive line rankings for right now, nothing will probably change unless something major happens before the draft.

Req's End Rankings

1) Gaines Adams
2) Jamaal Anderson
3) Adam Carriker
4) Jarvis Moss
5) Tim Crowder
6) Anthony Spencer
7) Quentin Moses
8) Victor Abiamiri
9) Charles Johnson

And a screwball at #10, Baraka Atkins - maybe more as a 3-4 guy - but he rounds her off.


Anthony Spencer and Quentin Moses ahead of Charles Johnson? Gross. Quentin Mosses isn't even a second round talent. If we take Anthony Spencer with anything more than a low second round pick I will throw garbage at Ted Sundquist's house.

Here's my list:

1. Jamaal Anderson.
2. Gaines Adams.
3. Adam Carriker.
4. Jarvis Moss.
5. Charles Johnson.
6. Ray McDonald.
7. LaMarr Woodley.
8. Anthony Spencer.
9. Tim Crowder
10. Quentin Moses

[HEAV]

Lepsis,Meadows,Pears, then talk of Kulper getting snaps. I don't see the need for a O-Tackle.


I just see a new linebacker, the past month I thought it would be DE for sure. But now looking at the roster and the draft. I just have a feeling it's LB either Willis at MLB or Posluszny at OLB and move D.J. inside.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Lepsis,Meadows,Pears, then talk of Kulper getting snaps. I definitely see the need for a O-Tackle.
Fixed it for ya... ;D

[nickademus]

To me (IMO) he's setting up for a surprise move and pick. He's going for Pat Willis. Shanny see's the talent on his roster is heavy at DE and weak at LB. He going to get the LB and worry about a DE in later rounds.

If by strong at DE you mean one good guy and a bunch of spare parts I would agree. I could see him taking willis because he would be an instant upgrade (health finally cought the great Al Wilson). But there is no way you can look at our Dline and say we are "heavy in talent".

[Rock Chalk]

You know, if you read the posts around here with the exception of the two starting CBs, we need to fix every position.

D-line the whole thing needs upgraded.

Al Wilson is gone (not yet, but everyone seems to think he is garbage now, bunch of morons). Ian Gold is too small, DJ is too stupid, Fergy and Lynch are too old.

Look, we need 1 DT, 1 DE and some depth on the line. Thats it. A hurt AL is better than any LB in the draft will ever be. Ian could be upgraded but we are stuck with him, like it or not. Our depth in the secondary is as deep as Ive ever seen it, our safeties could use a ball hawk but Brandon is a key piece of the puzzle that got injured last year and the defense suddenly went south in nickle packages.

Upgrade the line, the rest will take care of itself.

[watermock]

Wtf? Denver has addressed several positions and is getting back several players from injury and has a full draft slate.

The FO knows that the DL needs help put it's not the crap your making it out to be. Before they fell apart they had set a record for fewest points after several games. Of course, with ADD, you only remember Coyers prevent defenses in tight games or overtime.

The defense needs about 4 players to be good again. Every position is just being classic Alec drama queen.

[Man-Goblin]

Wouldn't that make Britney about 15? They have websites that track people like you mock.

LOL buahhahahahahaha.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The defense needs about 4 players to be good again. Every position is just being classic Alec drama queen.
BAAHAAA! That reading thing again...he said what you said ya twit.
Look, we need 1 DT, 1 DE and some depth on the line. Thats it.
:rofl: :rofl:

[Odysseus]

BAAHAAA! That reading thing again...he said what you said ya twit.

:rofl: :rofl:

Will someone please get Watermock his medication? Hilarious! I think parts of his brain just wholesale stop working for some reason. I bet he's the nicest guy in the world in person. Stop. I don't want to know. LOL

[Broncojef]

Sometimes there are no conspiracies. Sometimes people tell the truth. Sometimes players come to Denver to unwind in the snowy, cold weather, unless they ski a lot. Sometimes sitting around an indoor pool in Denver is better than a day at the South Beach, particularly at Easter Time.

I don't think for a minute there is a conspiracy here.

Not a New York minute.

They got nothing to trade to Detroit......

But if they were to pick up a Grady Jackson or a Shawn Rogers or such, then I might think there could be a conspiracy.....


They have a first rounder, a second rounder, two third rounders and a disgruntled All-pro LineBacker. Don't you think it's wierd Al was a no show at the work-outs? Wabbit mentioned before that Shanny was high on getting to Thomas and then the mention of him in Denver "relaxing" I think is too wierd. that plus the $$$ they have stockpiled for a rather large acquisition and I think its a definite possibility. Very good catch footstepsfrom#27!!! I hope Shanny pulls the trigger and protects Jay big time for years to come.

[NFLBRONCO]

They have a first rounder, a second rounder, two third rounders and a disgruntled All-pro LineBacker. Don't you think it's wierd Al was a no show at the work-outs? Wabbit mentioned before that Shanny was high on getting to Thomas and then the mention of him in Denver "relaxing" I think is too wierd. that plus the $$$ they have stockpiled for a rather large acquisition and I think its a definite possibility. Very good catch footstepsfrom#27!!! I hope Shanny pulls the trigger and protects Jay big time for years to come.

If we pulled that move I hope Thomas can play both ways. How is his ability to rush the passer.

[Broncojef]

I think our DEs are fine as is. We need one big fat dude in the middle to put next to a healthy Warren and we are set. The rush is fine we just need pressure up the middle to collapse the pocket. i think we are a year away anyhow and I'd feel better with a young stud to protect Jay as he learns this year.

[TheChamp24]

I think our DEs are fine as is. We need one big fat dude in the middle to put next to a healthy Warren and we are set. The rush is fine we just need pressure up the middle to collapse the pocket. i think we are a year away anyhow and I'd feel better with a young stud to protect Jay as he learns this year.

I don't see your optimism. Plus, it isn't set in stone Thomas will be a stud for years. Remember Robert Gallery? He was supposed to be a STUD at tackle for years.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If we pulled that move I hope Thomas can play both ways. How is his ability to rush the passer.

Actually he can. He was playing DE in the Bowl game a year ago when he got hurt.

[Broncojef]

I don't see your optimism. Plus, it isn't set in stone Thomas will be a stud for years. Remember Robert Gallery? He was supposed to be a STUD at tackle for years.

I know, I know what if he's a bust, Robert Gallery blah, blah, blah...I bet Shanny gets one stud OT in this draft and he'll do what he needs to get that guy. Is it Thomas?? Who knows I'll let Shanny decide that but I bet he gets whoever that is. There is a reason thomas is ranked as high as he is and I'd take my chances, it would certainly be better than another 2003 draft with a bunch of bums that never amounted to anything. Just get a couple studs and be done Shanny.

[Arkansas Bronco]

You know, if you read the posts around here with the exception of the two starting CBs, we need to fix every position.

D-line the whole thing needs upgraded.

Al Wilson is gone (not yet, but everyone seems to think he is garbage now, bunch of morons). Ian Gold is too small, DJ is too stupid, Fergy and Lynch are too old.

Look, we need 1 DT, 1 DE and some depth on the line. Thats it. A hurt AL is better than any LB in the draft will ever be. Ian could be upgraded but we are stuck with him, like it or not. Our depth in the secondary is as deep as Ive ever seen it, our safeties could use a ball hawk but Brandon is a key piece of the puzzle that got injured last year and the defense suddenly went south in nickle packages.

Upgrade the line, the rest will take care of itself.

The only thing that is scaring me is that what if his back/neck are realy so bad he cant play or if it is bad enough that it could put him in serious risk. I still think that unless one of the top 3 DE's slide then it should be a given to take a DT (which I think we need more anyways and I am kind of on the Harrill Boat). Sure if another great player started the slide then we would have to jump on it unless it was a QB but there is no chance the top 2 get out of the top 10.

[Rascal]

Jim Armstrong weighs in:



Someone should tell Jim that unless Branch (or in fantasy land, Okoye) falls to #21, any other DT Denver takes at that spot is a huge reach.

I don't think Harrell is a reach at 21, and I doubt he gets past the end of round 1.

[TheChamp24]

The only thing that is scaring me is that what if his back/neck are realy so bad he cant play or if it is bad enough that it could put him in serious risk. I still think that unless one of the top 3 DE's slide then it should be a given to take a DT (which I think we need more anyways and I am kind of on the Harrill Boat). Sure if another great player started the slide then we would have to jump on it unless it was a QB but there is no chance the top 2 get out of the top 10.

If we drafted a DT in the 1st round and his name wasn't Branch or Okoye, and we didn't trade up, I would turn off the TV and go driving to calm down. No DT is worth a 1st rounder besides Branch or Okoye.
If we don't get a DE in the 1st, I hope we go safety or maybe LB.

[Rascal]

Anthony Spencer and Quentin Moses ahead of Charles Johnson? Gross. Quentin Mosses isn't even a second round talent. If we take Anthony Spencer with anything more than a low second round pick I will throw garbage at Ted Sundquist's house.

Here's my list:

1. Jamaal Anderson.
2. Gaines Adams.
3. Adam Carriker.
4. Jarvis Moss.
5. Charles Johnson.
6. Ray McDonald.
7. LaMarr Woodley.
8. Anthony Spencer.
9. Tim Crowder
10. Quentin Moses

eh...after the top 5 they are pretty much equal IMO (second rounders). But I think Spencer is better then McDonald and Woodley.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't see your optimism. Plus, it isn't set in stone Thomas will be a stud for years. Remember Robert Gallery? He was supposed to be a STUD at tackle for years.

Oh God, a draft pick might bust!?!?!?!? Guess no team should ever take a risk on draft day.

[Rascal]

I haven't read all the posts, but this part really interested me from the article:

"There was talk last year that the Broncos were intrigued by San Francisco guard Justin Smiley. The 49ers are said to be shopping him, but it's unlikely Denver would make another run because of cost issues and less need."

With the addition of Holland at RG, and Kuper supposedly going to battle it out with him there, and then Pears and Meadows battling it out at RT. It makes me wonder where they are intending on putting Smiley if they did get him? I think he is a good lineman and would work well in our system, just not sure if there is a spot. Is there concerns about Nalen returning (opening LG when Hamilton moves to center)?

[footstepsfrom#27]

They have a first rounder, a second rounder, two third rounders and a disgruntled All-pro LineBacker. Don't you think it's wierd Al was a no show at the work-outs? Wabbit mentioned before that Shanny was high on getting to Thomas and then the mention of him in Denver "relaxing" I think is too wierd. that plus the $$$ they have stockpiled for a rather large acquisition and I think its a definite possibility. Very good catch footstepsfrom#27!!! I hope Shanny pulls the trigger and protects Jay big time for years to come.
Then you can join me and Gonzo in the tiny fraternity of those who think OT is the major need on this team right now. I'd love to see that move or else a move up to #10 maybe to grab Levi Jones. I doubt it will happen though since we are loath to ever waste a 1st rounder on a lineman from either side of the ball when there are so many corners, linebackers receivers, etc...to be had.

It is odd he's "relaxing" in Denver though isn't it? ;D

[Barry Ramey]

Then you can join me and Gonzo in the tiny fraternity of those who think OT is the major need on this team right now. I'd love to see that move or else a move up to #10 maybe to grab Levi Jones. I doubt it will happen though since we are loath to ever waste a 1st rounder on a lineman from either side of the ball when there are so many corners, linebackers receivers, etc...to be had.

It is odd he's "relaxing" in Denver though isn't it? ;D

You mean Levi Brown and the only way they would take an OT with their top pick is if worried Lepsis won't recover. Trading Foster means they are confident Pears and Meadows can handle RT. But since they haven't really gone out to go after any tackles in free agency, it's likely they feel good about Lepsis coming back since doubtful Shanahan would feel comfortable with a rookie LT proecting Cutler's blind side.

[TheChamp24]

Oh God, a draft pick might bust!?!?!?!? Guess no team should ever take a risk on draft day.

That wasn't my point. My point was that I don't think its necessary to trade up to select Thomas. As well as Brown.

And for selecting OL, I don't think its a 1st round need. 2nd and 3rd round yes...

[footstepsfrom#27]

You mean Levi Brown
Yes...thanks.
and the only way they would take an OT with their top pick is if worried Lepsis won't recover. Trading Foster means they are confident Pears and Meadows can handle RT. But since they haven't really gone out to go after any tackles in free agency, it's likely they feel good about Lepsis coming back since doubtful Shanahan would feel comfortable with a rookie LT proecting Cutler's blind side.
Or maybe they didn't see an OT in free agency they thought was worthy of they money he'd probably command. The problem with getting excited over the reports of Lepsis' recovery is that microfracture knee surgery has been repeatedly said by players who have had it to be something you want to avoid coming back to soon with. Merely looking at how the knee is responding in terms of mobility doesn't necessarily tell you how it's going to respond under game conditions. I'm actually worried Lepsis might be trying to come back sooner than he should...not that Shanahan cares what I think...but the list of guys who did exactly that is extensive...Amare Stoudamire among them.

I've got less confidence in Pears than some in here until I see him do it for an entire year and at a higher level than he played last year.

[Triplelefthook]

man all this speculation is fantastic! i can't wait for April 28th. I still say we need to draft a DE first and foremost... that is if Branch/Okoye are already taken. i don't think we can survive with the pathetic pass rush we had last year

[Barry Ramey]

Yes...thanks.

Or maybe they didn't see an OT in free agency they thought was worthy of they money he'd probably command. The problem with getting excited over the reports of Lepsis' recovery is that microfracture knee surgery has been repeatedly said by players who have had it to be something you want to avoid coming back to soon with. Merely looking at how the knee is responding in terms of mobility doesn't necessarily tell you how it's going to respond under game conditions. I'm actually worried Lepsis might be trying to come back sooner than he should...not that Shanahan cares what I think...but the list of guys who did exactly that is extensive...Amare Stoudamire among them.

I've got less confidence in Pears than some in here until I see him do it for an entire year and at a higher level than he played last year.

So you'd expect to see a rookie OT start this year? Even Foster didn't start as a rookie and he was a 1st round pick.

[ZONA]

I still think the right move here is to trade down a few spots and get an extra pick in either 2nd or 3rd. The best DL will be gone before we get to pick. We probably won't move up because of the fat contracts we just signed. I think moving down and getting Griffin makes alot of sense because he can help at Safety, where we have alot of question marks, and he would be immediate help on special teams. Then in the 2nd and 3rd rounds we can snag a few DL.

[footstepsfrom#27]

So you'd expect to see a rookie OT start this year? Even Foster didn't start as a rookie and he was a 1st round pick.
Foster barely started in college either.

I think either Thomas or Brown could probably beat out Pears on the right side, but whether they started this year or not as rookies wouldn't influence whether I'd draft an OT in round one. I want that backside pass rush sealed off by somebody with superior NFL talent who will be there a decade or more.

[long beach bronco]

I would love to have these guys on the team next year: Brandon Merriweather-S, Yamon Figures-wr/kr, Josh Wilson-C, Johnny Lee Higgins-Wr, Aaron Rouse-S, Gaines Adams-DE (pipe dream). We need a good fast young safety, a speedy return guy, a slot wr with blazing speed to test Cutlers arm, and a good fast nickle corner in the mold of D-will.

[Atlas]

So you'd expect to see a rookie OT start this year? Even Foster didn't start as a rookie and he was a 1st round pick.

No Rookies start on the OL.. EVER...

Nalen didn't start, Lepsis didn't start, Neil didn't start, Carlsile didn't start. It doesn't happen. If Shanny and Bowlen's goal is to win the Super Bowl and if they feel they will need some help from a rookie they will not draft an OL in the first two rounds because those guys won't see any action.

I'd put money on it. No OL in the first two rounds. LB maybe, S maybe in round 2. DE, DT is where it's at.

I see a OL being taken in the 3rd round.

[footstepsfrom#27]

No Rookies start on the OL.. EVER...

Nalen didn't start, Lepsis didn't start, Neil didn't start, Carlsile didn't start. It doesn't happen. If Shanny and Bowlen's goal is to win the Super Bowl and if they feel they will need some help from a rookie they will not draft an OL in the first two rounds because those guys won't see any action.
And Shanny would never start a rookie QB either...;D

[Kaylore]

No Rookies start on the OL.. EVER...

Nalen didn't start, Lepsis didn't start, Neil didn't start, Carlsile didn't start. It doesn't happen.

Hello!
http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/pears_erik_mug_06.jpg

[Atlas]

Hello!
http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/pears_erik_mug_06.jpg

Kahn, I'm not sure what your point is. Pears was not drafted or even signed to be the starter and the fact that he only became a starter was because of Lepsis injury proves my point. I didn't say Denver didn't draft OL to be backups and come in in case of injury. I said they don't get drafted and come in and start. If Lepsis doesn't get injured Pears doesn't play a down on offense.

[Dedhed]

Defensive End, Safety and Wide Receiver are the only positions I'm keeping really in depth rankings on, because I think these are positions that the Broncos are likely to target, and the positions I know most about the prospects at each. I'll do my top ten guys at safety.

Req's Safety Rankings

1) LaRon Landry
2) Michael Griffin
3) Reggie Nelson
4) Eric Weddle
5) Josh Gattis
6) Brandon Merriweather
7) Michael Johnson
8) Sabby Piscitelli
9) John Wendling
10) Aaron Rouse

Griffin in front of Nelson is crazy talk.

[Kaylore]

Kahn, I'm not sure what your point is. Pears was not drafted or even signed to be the starter and the fact that he only became a starter was because of Lepsis injury proves my point. I didn't say Denver didn't draft OL to be backups and come in in case of injury. I said they don't get drafted and come in and start. If Lepsis doesn't get injured Pears doesn't play a down on offense.

Relax, I'm just goofing around. Everyone here knows what you meant...I hope.

[Atlas]

come to think of it. I don't even think Pears was a rookie this year. This was his second year out of college. Wasn't his final year in college in 2004. I believe he even played in NFL Europe.

[Atlas]

Relax, I'm just goofing around. Everyone here knows what you meant...I hope.

Hell, man I had to think on that one. Stop doing that too me. At first I thought that was a pic of your boy Kuper.

Oh, well, it's time for me to leave work and get some sleep.

[Kaylore]

come to think of it. I don't even think Pears was a rookie this year. This was his second year out of college. Wasn't his final year in college in 2004. I believe he even played in NFL Europe.

And a look at the Denver Broncos team site would suggest you are correct! So, there is still not a true rookie to start on the offensive line for the Broncos.:notworthy

[footstepsfrom#27]

Most of the O-line guys we've drafted were taken in the back end of the draft and were project guys who had to sit a year or two while learning the system. From what I understand about Wisconsin, they ran a similair zone blocking scheme, and obviously Thomas is far more talented than anybody who has come through here lately. It's not to tough to see that talent and prior exposure to the scheme trumping UFA Eric Pears 8 games of emergency duty as a starter.

Either way...I'd be thrilled with him or Brown in the first because we'd be looking at great protection for Jay for about 12 years. I'm not sure any of the D-line guys after the top 3 are going to produce that much anyway.

[SureShot]

I thought Nalen started at least 1 game as a rook.

[Atlas]

I thought Nalen started at least 1 game as a rook.
Even if he did start he did so because of injury. He didn't start because the coaches wanted him to start or because he beat someone out of a job. He started because he had to.

[SureShot]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="player"># 66 Tom Nalen</td> <td rowspan="2" align="right" width="134">http://images.nfl.com/images/helmets/134x121/DEN.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DEN)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="70">http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/4012.jpg</td> <td class="playerbio"> Position: C
Height: 6-3
Weight: 286
Born: 05/13/1971
College: Boston College
NFL Experience: 14 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="right" height="16">http://images.nfl.com/images/teams/275x16/DEN.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DEN)</td></tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="teamsbg"> <td> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="playerNavOn" height="20"> Career Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Game Logs: </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 01 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2001) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 02 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2002) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 03 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2003) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 04 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2004) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 05 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2005) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 06 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2006) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Situational Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/splits/2006) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Team Roster (http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/DEN) </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg0" align="left"><td class="bg0" colspan="13">Games Played</td></tr> <tr class="bg1" align="center"><td>Year</td><td>Team</td><td>G</td><td>GS</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1994</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>7</td><td>1</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1995</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>15</td><td>15</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1996</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1997</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1998</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1999</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2000</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2001</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2002</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>7</td><td>7</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2003</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2004</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2005</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2006</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr id="total_CAREER_TGC" class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td class="bg4" align="left">TOTAL</td><td class="bg4" align="left"> </td><td class="bg4">189</td><td class="bg4">183</td></tr><tr><td colspan="13">http://images.commissioner.com/images/dot_clear.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Atlas]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="player"># 66 Tom Nalen</td> <td rowspan="2" align="right" width="134">http://images.nfl.com/images/helmets/134x121/DEN.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DEN)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="70">http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/4012.jpg</td> <td class="playerbio"> Position: C
Height: 6-3
Weight: 286
Born: 05/13/1971
College: Boston College
NFL Experience: 14 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="right" height="16">http://images.nfl.com/images/teams/275x16/DEN.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DEN)</td></tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="teamsbg"> <td> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="playerNavOn" height="20"> Career Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Game Logs: </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 01 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2001) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 02 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2002) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 03 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2003) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 04 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2004) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 05 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2005) </td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> 06 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/gamelogs/2006) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Situational Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4012/splits/2006) </td><td class="playerNav">|</td><td class="playerNav" height="20"> Team Roster (http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/DEN) </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg0" align="left"><td class="bg0" colspan="13">Games Played</td></tr> <tr class="bg1" align="center"><td>Year</td><td>Team</td><td>G</td><td>GS</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1994</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>7</td><td>1</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1995</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>15</td><td>15</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1996</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1997</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1998</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">1999</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2000</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2001</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2002</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>7</td><td>7</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2003</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2004</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2005</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td align="left">2006</td><td align="left">Denver Broncos</td><td>16</td><td>16</td></tr><tr id="total_CAREER_TGC" class="bg2" align="right" height="15" valign="middle"><td class="bg4" align="left">TOTAL</td><td class="bg4" align="left"> </td><td class="bg4">189</td><td class="bg4">183</td></tr><tr><td colspan="13">http://images.commissioner.com/images/dot_clear.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>

I think you guys are missing the point.

[SureShot]

I do get your point Atlas. However Shanahan has never drafted the type of player Thomas is. I doubt we move up that far to draft him but if we did I bet he would start.

[Rock Chalk]

I'll ****in scream if we draft OL in the first round.

[mattob14]

Outside Adams, Anderson and Carriker, all of them are borderline first-round talent and that's just the truth.

Moss will go in the first due to upside, but he has big question marks.

Spencer is a smart, instinctive player who can play the run and rush the passer, but is he a true DE or a tweener?

Abiamiri and Crowder work the part, but can they play it in the NFL?

Can Moses be a end threat in the NFL?

Is Charles Johnson going to be the next Charles Grant, or is most of his potential already tapped?

Best option here, trade down several spots - gain additional picks and take one of the guys who aren't the top three. Grades in my opinion are relatively the same (some higher than others, but not much higher) and probably will all have similar pro careers.

I don't disagree they all carry fairly similar grades, but I do think, for Denver, Jarvis Moss stands out from the crowd. He's the one guy I can see turning into a dominant pass-rusher in the NFL and he fits the new system perfectly. For Bates to be successful, we need players who fit the scheme and Moss does that better than anyone in this draft, besides Adams. Johnson, Crowder, and Abriami are more complete ends, but lack the explosiveness and I'm not sold on Moses after last year, either. Spencer wouldn't be bad if Moss is gone and we trade down, but I'm not a huge fan. I'd hate to see Denver trade down if Moss is available and end up with one of the other guys, though.

[Bronco Yoda]

I agree. He sort of reminds me of Pryce in a way. Certainly not a thing wrong with that in terms of a skill set stand point but, as you said, he's probably going to be most effective as either a DT in a one-gap scheme or as a 3-4 DE.

I like that in player.... versatility. But that don't mean a thing if you don't have heart and tough\mean disposition. What's he like here?

[DB84FAN]

i want denver to trade down with chicago and get there first round pick and there second round pick. that gives us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. DE, DT, DT/DE, S, OT will be the way to go. But that S wont happen in the initial rounds and there will be WR in the mix. With Sidney rice falling and broncos liking his height, i am sure he will be in the mix if he falls into 3rd. Which looks like it will happen.

More over if you look at most of the players who make the probowl or acheive greatness, they are picked in the 2nd and 3rd round. Probably they play with a little fire to prove there point the whole time to show that they were supposed to be a first round pick.

Trade down from 21 with chicago and get 31st and 94th if they add up right or with NYJ for there 25th and 89th (which seems unlikely)

31 - Justin Harrell (DT)
56 - Quentin Moses (DE)
70 - Sidney Rice (WR)
86 - Andy Alleman (OG)
94 - Juwan Simpson (OLB)

Ship Al wilson for Jenkins and move DJW to MLB.