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El Minion
04-06-2007, 04:46 PM
Interesting read on teams draft tendencies. To big to post, so here is the intro and snippets of what was said about Denver. From FO (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/04/04/ramblings/nfl-draft/5047/):

Five Years of Draft Picks
4/4/2007
Guest Column by Mike Horn
Now that free agency has drifted into the second phase (also known as “Daniel Snyder has run out of cap room”), the draft is the next big event on the NFL calendar. I needed a football fix not generated by a Peter King column. I’m not a draftaholic, but I started wondering what positions get drafted most frequently by which teams. Regular readers of Football Outsiders know about the Patriots and tight ends, but what other patterns exist?
To look for those patterns, I compiled five years of data from the extraordinarily useful drafthistory.com. (Why five years? So we don’t have to adjust for the non-existent Houston Texans.) What follows is more reference material than analysis, although there are some comments. I don’t think this data can necessarily help you predict this draft — and you probably know more about your favorite team than I do. But when your local blowhard says (or writes in his blog), “Team X always takes a defensive back in the draft”, you have some charts to refer rather than digging around at drafthistory.com for half an hour on the company’s time. And maybe you can point out to your new best friend that Team X has drafted fewer defensive backs than any team except the Cardinals over the last five years.


cont. (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/04/04/ramblings/nfl-draft/5047/)

I also noticed that two teams that I think of as having strong linebacking corps, Pittsburgh and Denver, each only drafted two LBs. .... The Broncos had used a #1 on D.J. Williams in 2004, and need fewer LBs in their 4-3 alignment than the Steelers’ 3-4 requires, so their low number of LBs drafted is a little less remarkable.

Meanwhile, the Broncos spent six picks accumulating running backs to plug into their vaunted star-RB assembly line, and that’s without drafting any RBs 2006. Of course, last year they signed undrafted rookie free agent Mike Bell instead of using a pick on him. Neither Denver nor Tennessee, the other team drafting six RBs from 2002-2006, drafted one in the first round.

Odysseus
04-06-2007, 04:51 PM
I keep having draft Patrick Willis come to mind.

HEAV
04-06-2007, 05:50 PM
I keep having draft Patrick Willis come to mind.

I'm also getting the feeling that he's the target.

cutthemdown
04-06-2007, 06:06 PM
Willis would be too much too hope for wouldn't he?

footstepsfrom#27
04-06-2007, 06:33 PM
We've drafted the same number of offensive tackles in the past 5 years as we have kickers...one.

And he's gone.:oyvey:

footstepsfrom#27
04-06-2007, 06:46 PM
I mentioned on an earlier thread that Shanny values offensive players more than defense over the life of his career here. That's backed up here too...only 40% of our drafted players were on defense. Only Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay were lower...barely.

footstepsfrom#27
04-06-2007, 06:58 PM
There is always a lot of talk about whether the Falcons’ woes in the passing game are due to the quarterback or the receivers. But at some level you have to wonder if the lack of talent drafted along the line has also been a factor. I know the zone-blocking scheme and line guru Alex Gibbs were supposed to compensate, but drafting no first day lineman since 2000 might not be the way to go.
QFT

HEAV
04-06-2007, 07:03 PM
Willis would be too much too hope for wouldn't he?

I just have a feeling he may sllide some and then Shanny will jump up a few spots and get teh MLB of the future.

After last year's draft,the jump up for Cutler, nothing is impossible to happen. Shanny proved me wrong in both sitting with two picks and the selection of Jay.

AW is done, once Shanny feels you are expendable, he makes the move and doesn't look back.


Not to mention that Wilson may not be a Bates MLB.

If Willis is gone then it's DE.

I feel that on the first day of the draft Denver selects a MLB. Maybe Siler, Dave Harris, Blades.

Dukes
04-06-2007, 07:05 PM
AW is done, once Shanny feels you are expendable, he makes the move and doesn't look back.

For the most part I agree with you, but Shanny is giving Sauerbrun another chance.

HEAV
04-06-2007, 07:21 PM
For the most part I agree with you, but Shanny is giving Sauerbrun another chance.

True. But the Sour-burn issue was driven by the performance of Ernster. Before Todd was reinstated Ernster was solid, playing for your job does that to a guy. Then once Todd was let go Ernster relaxed and his punting went down hill.

So while Shanny is hoping to get a reprieve with Todd, I think the AW issue may be more than perfoemance and dollars, but health and fit in the Bates system. (IMO)

Just saying ever it's a rookie tackling machine or it's Hartwell (or another vet) playing middle backer.

kmartin575
04-06-2007, 07:24 PM
I just have a feeling he may sllide some and then Shanny will jump up a few spots and get teh MLB of the future.

After last year's draft,the jump up for Cutler, nothing is impossible to happen. Shanny proved me wrong in both sitting with two picks and the selection of Jay.

AW is done, once Shanny feels you are expendable, he makes the move and doesn't look back.


Not to mention that Wilson may not be a Bates MLB.

If Willis is gone then it's DE.

I feel that on the first day of the draft Denver selects a MLB. Maybe Siler, Dave Harris, Blades.

A MLB who ran in the 4.3's is going to slide? Your delusional.

eddie mac
04-06-2007, 07:27 PM
I dont believe Willis is a target at all. Carriker is our 1st rd target.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-06-2007, 07:29 PM
I hope its Carriker. I'd love Carriker in the 1st and Marcus Thomas in the 2nd. Our D-line needs some size

HEAV
04-06-2007, 07:43 PM
A MLB who ran in the 4.3's is going to slide? Your delusional.

He ran a 4.51 at the combine.

I go with the combine #'s over a proday (hype day).

Any player can slip. With Johnson, the QB's and don't forget about the D tackles and the loaded DE's in this draft some teams are going to move down and some are going to move up and change the draft for everyone below them.


It's not hard to see Willis slide out of the top 10 and then see the Broncos move up.

Paladin
04-06-2007, 07:44 PM
*sigh*

Three weeks.......