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OregonBronco
04-03-2007, 12:35 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2047128,00.html

Call that humiliation?

No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch

Terry Jones
Saturday March 31, 2007
The Guardian

I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are.

It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.

· Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python
www.terry-jones.net

defenseman
04-03-2007, 12:45 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2047128,00.html

Call that humiliation?

No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch

Terry Jones
Saturday March 31, 2007
The Guardian

I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are.

It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.

· Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python
www.terry-jones.net

Pardon me while I blow my nose with this garbage............that's better...dman'

*The iranians let the world "see" what they want them to "see". Nothing more, nothing less. Behind curtian number one, time has proven, they are a nasty bunch and the brits I'm sure aren't having the fun this guy is saying they are having.

Garcia Bronco
04-03-2007, 12:47 PM
An actor....what's his job again....oh yeah....to play pretend.

Dudeskey
04-03-2007, 12:51 PM
Oh yeah we're sooo civilized
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/POWABUSE/Tortured.01.jpg

OregonBronco
04-03-2007, 12:52 PM
I agree that it's all posturing, but he makes a good point about how the rest of the world views this situation.

bendog
04-03-2007, 12:55 PM
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2003/issue3/jv7n3a7.html

iran and the internet

defenseman
04-03-2007, 12:57 PM
I agree that it's all posturing, but he makes a good point about how the rest of the world views this situation.

Prove the "rest of the world"? He can't , end of discussion, he freaking loses.....dman

OregonBronco
04-03-2007, 01:08 PM
Prove the "rest of the world"? He can't , end of discussion, he freaking loses.....dman

You don't think everybody else is just a little tired of the hypocrisy our government keeps spewing out? We're supposed to be this shining beacon of democracy and ethics, yet we treat our prisoners of war like **** and condemn other countries for how they treat theirs. Get your head out of the sand.

Crushaholic
04-03-2007, 01:17 PM
Oh yeah we're sooo civilized
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/POWABUSE/Tortured.01.jpg

It still pales in comparison to lopping off heads...

defenseman
04-03-2007, 01:18 PM
You don't think everybody else is just a little tired of the hypocrisy our government keeps spewing out. We're supposed to be this shining beacon of democracy and ethics, yet we treat our prisoners of war like **** and condemn other countries for how they treat theirs. Get your head out of the sand.

They do it, we do it. We do it, they do it. And on and on and on. When we all decide to play nicey, it'll stop. Until then, they hit one of ours, we need to whack twenty of theirs. Simple formula for success...dman

* IN ADDITION, abu ghraib or whatever the hell it is, those folks are in freaking military prison right now. Are any of THEIR treatment transgretions punished ? HELL NO! We took action, locked up the culprits. they don't. they hold rallies of support for the same transgretions we hold our people accountable for. There in lies the difference. I would say, you are the one who needs to pull your head out of the sand.

yavoon
04-03-2007, 01:19 PM
Death To The Zionist America! See The Muslim World Loves It Prisoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When Will U See The Light Ppl!

defenseman
04-03-2007, 01:20 PM
It still pales in comparison to lopping off heads...

That's a BIG BINGO for crushaholic..........and they cheer when our guys get this done to them, or innocent civilians. But, WE ARE the freaking problem right? Isn't that just a b'''ch....dman

Dudeskey
04-03-2007, 01:29 PM
It still pales in comparison to lopping off heads...

Oh I see that automatically makes us much better. I don't see any brit sailors getting their heads 'lopped off'... All they want is the Iranian diplomats we took a couple months ago, but the US doesn't seem to be willing to make the exchange.

OregonBronco
04-03-2007, 01:45 PM
That's a BIG BINGO for crushaholic..........and they cheer when our guys get this done to them, or innocent civilians. But, WE ARE the freaking problem right? Isn't that just a b'''ch....dman

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the "They did it, so it's ok for us to do it" bull****. That's the kind of argument you get out of grade-schoolers. We have to hold ourselves to the highest ethical standards. That's what makes this country great. They cheer that kind of treatment, we won't tolerate it.

defenseman
04-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Oh I see that automatically makes us much better. I don't see any brit sailors getting their heads 'lopped off'... All they want is the Iranian diplomats we took a couple months ago, but the US doesn't seem to be willing to make the exchange.

Enabling the snatch and grab are we? You won't see anything on the iranian news, unless they want you to see it. the iranians DIPLOMATS were supporting the freaking terrorists in iraq, screw them...dman

Dudeskey
04-03-2007, 02:55 PM
Enabling the snatch and grab are we? You won't see anything on the iranian news, unless they want you to see it. the iranians DIPLOMATS were supporting the freaking terrorists in iraq, screw them...dman

Just like you won't see anything on Fox News that would oppose their agenda... You're talking about the same "terrorists" that want us out of Iraq right? If you're going to talk about groups killing our troops and those that support them then why are we still coddling Saudi Arabia & the UAE? They're supporting the Sunnis, and it has been well documented that they are responsible for the majority of attacks on our troops... Why single out Iran?

defenseman
04-03-2007, 03:05 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the "They did it, so it's ok for us to do it" bull****. That's the kind of argument you get out of grade-schoolers. We have to hold ourselves to the highest ethical standards. That's what makes this country great. They cheer that kind of treatment, we won't tolerate it.

that's why we sent some of our military types at abu ghraib to prison smart guy. We didn't put up with it. You don't see the "bad guys" imprisoning any of their own for mistreatment of us or any other country. Thanks for making my point for me.........we need to protect ourselves and punish ten fold for any one action against us is fine by me though. As long as it's done ethically, you should have no problem with that, right? Ethically kicking the dogs'''t out of them is truly the way to go, wouldn't you agree?......dman

defenseman
04-03-2007, 03:08 PM
Just like you won't see anything on Fox News that would oppose their agenda... You're talking about the same "terrorists" that want us out of Iraq right? If you're going to talk about groups killing our troops and those that support them then why are we still coddling Saudi Arabia & the UAE? They're supporting the Sunnis, and it has been well documented that they are responsible for the majority of attacks on our troops... Why single out Iran?

I'm with you dude. As long as it's done ethically and above board, we should be able able to kick the living dog sh''t out of whomever we want if attacked. This is exactly my point. Freaking saudi's and the UAE can shove it as far as I'm concerned. Too bad we aren't off the oil teet these days..dman

defenseman
04-03-2007, 03:15 PM
Okay, you're not answering my question... why hold Iran accountable and not anyone else on the international level?

I'm with that, no problem...dman

Dudeskey
04-03-2007, 03:16 PM
I'm with that, no problem...dman

my bad, lol... wrong post

Rigs11
04-03-2007, 05:22 PM
Them damn iraninans, they need to follow the Geneva Conventions.Just like the US does. Oh and they need stop holding prisoners without a trial. just like the US does.And dammit how dare they ridicule those poor british soldiers by giving them food and smokes and then putting them on TV. They should do as the US kindly does instead, by shackling them and putting hoods over their faces.Have they no compassion?

Spider
04-03-2007, 06:34 PM
This is the solid truth ..........we do look like a bunch of ássholes .......