anti Zionist synogogue destroyed in NY

[mhgaffney]

This Jewish sect has consistently dialogued with Palestinians, Arabs and other critics of Israel -- including Iranians. Today, however, mainstream Zionists regard dialogue as betrayal. So, it's no surprise that this sect would be targetted. This report comes from the Israeli press. MHG

April 2, 2007

Fire destroys Neturei Karta synagogue, rabbi's residence in NY

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845003.html
By The Associated Press

A fire deemed suspicious destroyed a New York suburban synagogue of an
anti-Zionist Jewish group heavily criticized for attending a conference last year where participants debated whether the Holocaust occurred.

No one was injured in Sunday night's fire in the town of Monsey. A senior Neturei Karta rabbi and his family, who lived on the top floor of the three-story structure, were not home.

"It may in the future be found to be accidental, but at this time we're treating it as a suspicious fire and we're investigating it as such," said Sgt. Daniel Hyman of the Ramapo Police Department, which provides services to Monsey, about 35 miles (55 kilometers) north of New York City.

The Neturei Karta has been the target of threats in the recent past because of their involvement in the anti-Zionism movement. The group has been widely criticized by other Jewish groups.

"Anybody who would like to reveal to the world their opposition to this political, national movement of Zionism is attacked," said Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the Neturei Karta.

"A call of a fire in the kitchen area of the three-story structure came in to authorities at about 8:12 P.M. Sunday," Monsey Fire Chief Douglas Perry said.

He said that when firefighters arrived, one side of the house was engulfed in flames and power lines had come down. "It was too dangerous for any entry," he said, and the fire had to be fought from the outside.

"It's totaled," Perry said. "I would deem it dangerous to even go inside."

Weiss said that the group suspects arson because of previous threats.

"There's no question that the issue is to stifle the opposition to Zionism," he said.

In December, about five members of the group traveled to Tehran for a two-day conference convened to debate whether the Holocaust occurred. Some were photographed meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the Holocaust a myth and has criticized the existence of Israel. Other Jewish groups were outraged.

Following the group's return from Iran, a large protest made up mostly of other Jews opposing their anti-Zionist views was held outside the Monsey synagogue. Neturei Karta refuses to recognize the existence or authority of Israel on the grounds that a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish law.

"The group does not dispute that the Holocaust occurred," Weiss said.

[yavoon]

thats right ghaff's! fight those zionists! GLORY TO HAMAS AND THE GLORIOUS RESISTANCE!

[defenseman]

This Jewish sect has consistently dialogued with Palestinians, Arabs and other critics of Israel -- including Iranians. Today, however, mainstream Zionists regard dialogue as betrayal. So, it's no surprise that this sect would be targetted. This report comes from the Israeli press. MHG

April 2, 2007

Fire destroys Neturei Karta synagogue, rabbi's residence in NY

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845003.html
By The Associated Press

A fire deemed suspicious destroyed a New York suburban synagogue of an
anti-Zionist Jewish group heavily criticized for attending a conference last year where participants debated whether the Holocaust occurred.

No one was injured in Sunday night's fire in the town of Monsey. A senior Neturei Karta rabbi and his family, who lived on the top floor of the three-story structure, were not home.

"It may in the future be found to be accidental, but at this time we're treating it as a suspicious fire and we're investigating it as such," said Sgt. Daniel Hyman of the Ramapo Police Department, which provides services to Monsey, about 35 miles (55 kilometers) north of New York City.

The Neturei Karta has been the target of threats in the recent past because of their involvement in the anti-Zionism movement. The group has been widely criticized by other Jewish groups.

"Anybody who would like to reveal to the world their opposition to this political, national movement of Zionism is attacked," said Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the Neturei Karta.

"A call of a fire in the kitchen area of the three-story structure came in to authorities at about 8:12 P.M. Sunday," Monsey Fire Chief Douglas Perry said.

He said that when firefighters arrived, one side of the house was engulfed in flames and power lines had come down. "It was too dangerous for any entry," he said, and the fire had to be fought from the outside.

"It's totaled," Perry said. "I would deem it dangerous to even go inside."

Weiss said that the group suspects arson because of previous threats.

"There's no question that the issue is to stifle the opposition to Zionism," he said.

In December, about five members of the group traveled to Tehran for a two-day conference convened to debate whether the Holocaust occurred. Some were photographed meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the Holocaust a myth and has criticized the existence of Israel. Other Jewish groups were outraged.

Following the group's return from Iran, a large protest made up mostly of other Jews opposing their anti-Zionist views was held outside the Monsey synagogue. Neturei Karta refuses to recognize the existence or authority of Israel on the grounds that a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish law.

"The group does not dispute that the Holocaust occurred," Weiss said.

Sure, whatever you say, and "elvis" is in the building...........dman

[W*GS]

(Here's the company those misguided rabbis kept...)

Denying the Holocaust
Dec 13th 2006
From The Economist print edition

Iran's president seeks to bolster his strange interpretation of history

Reuters
http://www.economist.com/images/20061216/5006MA3.jpg
Holocaust-denier hugs a helpful rabbi

A long-advertised international conference held this week in Iran's capital to discuss the Holocaust made little pretence at neutrality or objectivity. Most speakers challenged the accepted facts of the Holocaust or accused Jews of skewing the facts to help justify the establishment of the Jewish state. Afterwards, participants were invited to meet President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who had called for the event following his assertion last year that the Holocaust was a myth.

A group of Orthodox rabbis from a fringe group, Jews Against Zionism, was feted by the authorities and placed in the front row of the hall in an effort to show that the event was not anti-Semitic. Officials smiled when one of the group vilified Israel and praised Mr Ahmadinejad.

The list of speakers included a former Ku Klux Klansman, David Duke, and well-known Holocaust deniers, such as Fredrick Töben, an Australian of German origin, and Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman. An exhibition in the same building was reached by a stairwell decorated with posters comparing Holocaust “myth” with “truth”. The works of Holocaust-deniers such as David Irving, who is in prison in Austria, were displayed in glass cabinets.

Iran's foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, opened the Holocaust conference by favourably comparing his country's spirit of “scientific and scholarly” freedom with the West's. On the second day, President Ahmadinejad declared that “Israel is about to crash, the Soviet Union disappeared, and this will also be the fate of the Zionist regime...Humanity will be free.”

Government newspapers widely reported the conference under front-page headlines alongside photographs of the rabbinical contingent. But neither of the two leading government papers reported the insistence by one of the rabbis that the genocide suffered by European Jewry had been “confirmed by innumerable eyewitnesses and fully documented again and again”.

In fact, many Iranians are pretty well oblivious to the Holocaust; they are not taught about the event or even the second world war in school. Though translations of revisionist histories (such as Mr Irving's) are widely available in Tehran bookshops, most Iranians questioned on the subject said they knew nothing about it or agreed with the standard accounts of the genocide.

But Iranians may not have been the audience the president had in mind. Many Iranians see the Palestinian conflict as something for Arabs, not Persians, to deal with. This president, however, seems to relish thumbing his nose at the West. And why not lie about the biggest and best-documented crime in history if doing so casts doubt on Israel's raison d'être and so courts radical Muslims elsewhere?

Copyright © 2007 The Economist Newspaper and The Economist Group. All rights reserved.

[yavoon]

(Here's the company those misguided rabbis kept...)

Denying the Holocaust
Dec 13th 2006
From The Economist print edition

Iran's president seeks to bolster his strange interpretation of history

Reuters
http://www.economist.com/images/20061216/5006MA3.jpg
Holocaust-denier hugs a helpful rabbi

A long-advertised international conference held this week in Iran's capital to discuss the Holocaust made little pretence at neutrality or objectivity. Most speakers challenged the accepted facts of the Holocaust or accused Jews of skewing the facts to help justify the establishment of the Jewish state. Afterwards, participants were invited to meet President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who had called for the event following his assertion last year that the Holocaust was a myth.

A group of Orthodox rabbis from a fringe group, Jews Against Zionism, was feted by the authorities and placed in the front row of the hall in an effort to show that the event was not anti-Semitic. Officials smiled when one of the group vilified Israel and praised Mr Ahmadinejad.

The list of speakers included a former Ku Klux Klansman, David Duke, and well-known Holocaust deniers, such as Fredrick Töben, an Australian of German origin, and Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman. An exhibition in the same building was reached by a stairwell decorated with posters comparing Holocaust “myth” with “truth”. The works of Holocaust-deniers such as David Irving, who is in prison in Austria, were displayed in glass cabinets.

Iran's foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, opened the Holocaust conference by favourably comparing his country's spirit of “scientific and scholarly” freedom with the West's. On the second day, President Ahmadinejad declared that “Israel is about to crash, the Soviet Union disappeared, and this will also be the fate of the Zionist regime...Humanity will be free.”

Government newspapers widely reported the conference under front-page headlines alongside photographs of the rabbinical contingent. But neither of the two leading government papers reported the insistence by one of the rabbis that the genocide suffered by European Jewry had been “confirmed by innumerable eyewitnesses and fully documented again and again”.

In fact, many Iranians are pretty well oblivious to the Holocaust; they are not taught about the event or even the second world war in school. Though translations of revisionist histories (such as Mr Irving's) are widely available in Tehran bookshops, most Iranians questioned on the subject said they knew nothing about it or agreed with the standard accounts of the genocide.

But Iranians may not have been the audience the president had in mind. Many Iranians see the Palestinian conflict as something for Arabs, not Persians, to deal with. This president, however, seems to relish thumbing his nose at the West. And why not lie about the biggest and best-documented crime in history if doing so casts doubt on Israel's raison d'être and so courts radical Muslims elsewhere?

Copyright © 2007 The Economist Newspaper and The Economist Group. All rights reserved.

this is the company ghaff's likes anyway.

[mhgaffney]

You clowns don't get it. This Jewish sect didn't go to the conference in Tehran to applaud the holocaust deniers -- but to help educate the Iranians about the reality.

There are billions of people in the world who never had the opportunity to meet a Jew -- in their entire lives. There are virtually no Jews in places like Indonesia, for example, or Malaysia, or Pakistan. And very few in Iran.

So how are the people in these Muslim nations supposed to know the facts about Judaism? It's not surprising there is so much ignorance and so many false ideas.

And when you consider Israel's brutal and violent record -- the home demolitions, the targeted killings of Palestinian leaders, the thievery of Arab lands, the destruction of Lebanon last summer, on and on, the Muslim world's anger is very understandable.

This sect of Jews correctly believes that the only way to combat ignorance is to dialogue with all peoples -- without preconditions. They have it exactly right. That's the only way we will move beyond the current climate of violence and hatred to a more peaceful world.

This sect is in fact standing up for the real Judaism -- the spiritual Judaism of the Old Testament that the secular Zionists long ago abandoned when they accepted the idea that the end justifies the means.

You clowns are part of the mob. You've swallowed the herd mentality. You have not yet learned that G-d does not play favorites. Nor is G-d a real estate broker. All people are children of the Creator -- including Palestinians and Iranians. This is the correct interpretation of the bible and the teaching of this sect.

[W*GS]

You clowns don't get it. This Jewish sect didn't go to the conference in Tehran to applaud the holocaust deniers -- but to help educate the Iranians about the reality.

The reality of what? The Holocaust? Given that the conference was intended to give those sickos who deny the Holocaust a platform to spew their filthy views, what possible purpose could the voluntary attendance of Jews serve? Those rabbis were used for propaganda purposes, nothing more.

So how are the people in these Muslim nations supposed to know the facts about Judaism?

What "facts" are there in a Holocaust deniers circle jerk?

And when you consider Israel's brutal and violent record -- the home demolitions, the targeted killings of Palestinian leaders, the thievery of Arab lands, the destruction of Lebanon last summer, on and on, the Muslim world's anger is very understandable.

When you consider the Holocaust, the homicide bombers, the statements about Israel and Jews Ahmadinejad has made, those Muslims who still want Israel destroyed and Jews exterminated, the presence of Jews at that conference is even more perplexing.


This sect of Jews correctly believes that the only way to combat ignorance is to dialogue with all peoples -- without preconditions. They have it exactly right. That's the only way we will move beyond the current climate of violence and hatred to a more peaceful world.

This sect is in fact standing up for the real Judaism -- the spiritual Judaism of the Old Testament that the secular Zionists long ago abandoned when they accepted the idea that the end justifies the means.

Figures you'd come up with a way to rationalize denial of the Holocaust. You're just sick, gaffney.

You clowns are part of the mob. You've swallowed the herd mentality. You have not yet learned that G-d does not play favorites. Nor is G-d a real estate broker. All people are children of the Creator -- including Palestinians and Iranians. This is the correct interpretation of the bible and the teaching of this sect.

I'm an atheist, so I got no dog in this fight.

But your perverted beliefs are now out for all of us to see.

[mhgaffney]

The Jewish sect went to Iran on a peace mission -- to present an example of the true spiritual Judaism of the bible.

The only reason that Ahmadinejad became president in Iran in the first place is because the more progressive Iranian political parties had a split ticket.

You are also exaggerating his influence inside Iran. Ahmadinejad's candidates lost in the recent elections and his influence has been on the wane -- inside Iran. He does not control the military or the nuclear program.

Yet for those who want a war he certainly is a made to order whipping boy.

Do you want a war W*gs?

[W*GS]

Note that gaffney is trying to change the subject away from his defense of Holocaust deniers.

[Spider]

Note that gaffney is trying to change the subject away from his defense of Holocaust deniers.

I hate it when i am on your side .............;D

[mhgaffney]

Well, first of all, what's his name was misquoted in the Western press. He did not call for the destruction of Israel. He repeated the same expression used by former Mullah (I think it was) Khomeini -- who called for regime change in Israel. That's not the same as calling for the destruction of the Jews. Not by a long shot.

That's the actual translation from Farsi -- but, of course, our western media jumped on it and now Ahmadinejad is the equivalent of Satan.

If you think about it -- and have a brain -- you'll notice that the US media used a very similar rhetoric in demonizing Saddam in the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

W*gs, you also need to stop putting words in my mouth. I am not a Holocaust denier -- nor do I support them -- and yes, there are some around. I'm also quite sure I don't like what's his name.

But the real issue here is War or Peace.

You have two different views of reality. Scott Rtter went to Iran and came back raving about how friendly and wonderful the people are. He also pointed out the things I've said about Ahmadinejad.

Then there's the other view -- the current demonization -- the purpose of which I think we must conclude is to prepare the American people for another horrible war.

So what's it going to be?

[yavoon]

saddam needed demonizing?

wow I mean we weren't even talking about iraq and ghaff's found a way to defend saddam hussein!

u r truly an amazing specimen ghaffs. remarkable stuff.

[Bronco Bob]

saddam needed demonizing?

wow I mean we weren't even talking about iraq and ghaff's found a way to defend saddam hussein!

u r truly an amazing specimen ghaffs. remarkable stuff.

ghaffs must have the biggest damn shovel in history, considering how
big a hole he always manages to dig himself into. :~ohyah!:

[Stuck In Texas]

ghaffs must have the biggest damn shovel in history, considering how
big a hole he always manages to dig himself into. :~ohyah!:
I need to borrow that shovel so I can clear out all of the B.S. spewing from his posts.

[yavoon]

ghaffs must have the biggest damn shovel in history, considering how
big a hole he always manages to dig himself into. :~ohyah!:

=D
=D

[spdirty]

holy crap! I think Reagan has a mininuke in his diaper! Man I'm gonna dry heave changing this one.

[W*GS]

I think the synagogue was destroyed by a mini-nuke.

[mhgaffney]

I think the synagogue was destroyed by a mini-nuke.

We had a hate crime in New York just the other day. A Jewish synagogue was burned to the ground -- and the rabbi's house.

And W*gs shows what an enlightened man he is by joking about it.

No doubt it was the work of Zionist terrorists -- probably the Jewish Defense League --

But instead of condemning the crime -- he and you other knee jerks throw mud at me because this scenario does not fit your neat little stereotypes.

This is not the first time that Zionists have attacked other Jews and bombed a synagogue. Check out this testimonial by an Iraqi Jew - who wrote a book about how the Zionists bombed synagogues in Iraq back in the 1950s. Why? To scare the Iraqi Jews into emigrating to Israel. They were not allowed to stay in their homes.

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

This Jewish community had existed in Iraq for at least 1400 years. Iraq was a refuge for Jews from the 4th century CE when Christian persecution increased.

The community no longer exists. But it wasn't destroyed by Arabs.

[Spider]

We had a hate crime in New York just the other day. A Jewish synagogue was burned to the ground -- and the rabbi's house.

And W*gs shows what an enlightened man he is by joking about it.


no different then you making the statement about mini nukes on the WTC .... W*GS is merely pointing out that a mini nuke could have been used ...........

[yavoon]

Free Palestine! Destroy The Zionists! Hamas Forever!

[Stuck In Texas]

no different then you making the statement about mini nukes on the WTC .... W*GS is merely pointing out that a mini nuke could have been used ...........

There's too much talk about "mini" nukes. I think it might have been a "maxi" nuke - designed to look like a tampon. :thumbsup:

[Bronco Bob]

There's too much talk about "mini" nukes. I think it might have been a "maxi" nuke - designed to look like a tampon. :thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba

[W*GS]

gaffney's crocodile tears over Jews are most touching...

[Barry Ramey]

[QUOTE=mhgaffney;1536661]This Jewish sect has consistently dialogued with Palestinians, Arabs and other critics of Israel -- including Iranians. Today, however, mainstream Zionists regard dialogue as betrayal. So, it's no surprise that this sect would be targetted. This report comes from the Israeli press. MHG


Please tell us the story of how some Jew in your past committed a wrong against you since all your posts always seem to be about the Jews in some negative fashion. Or are you apart of the story that's come out of Islamists going around internet forums and using western screen names to criticize the U.S. and Israel to hope to turn the tide in their favor? Hmm. :wiggle:

[alkemical]

Not that i'm trying to back MHG up - but i remember the JDL getting in some trouble before -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League#Terrorism


The Federal Bureau of Investigation has described the Jewish Defense League in Congressional testimony as a "violent" and "extremist" group. In a sidebar in its "Terrorism 2000/2001" report, the Bureau said, "The Jewish Defense League has been deemed a right-wing terrorist group." It identified the group in a 1999 terrorism report as the perpetrator of several bombing and arson incidents that took place between 1980 and 1989. Mary Doran, an FBI street agent, described the JDL in 2004 Congressional testimony as "a proscribed terrorist group," though Doran also acknowledged that she is not involved in "policy and administrative decision-making processes." In 2001 JDL leaders Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel were charged with planning a terror attack against the office of Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa. [5].

The Jewish Defense League denies that it is a terrorist organization or a sponsor of terror. Its website states: "The Jewish Defense League unconditionally condemns terrorism of all forms. Terrorism is never a legitimate means to the furtherance of political goals."[6]

Nevertheless, on a number of occasions the JDL has expressed support for acts of vengeance in reprisal to Arab terrorist attacks on Jews. On October 26, 1981 after two firebombs damaged the Egyptian Tourist Office] at Rockefeller Center, JDL Chairman Meir Kahane said at a press conference: "I'm not going to say that the JDL bombed that office. There are laws against that in this country. But I'm not going to say I mourn for it either." The next day, an anonymous caller claimed responsibility on behalf of the JDL. A JDL spokesman later denied his group's involvement, but said "We support the act."[7]

[mhgaffney]

With friends like W*gs who needs enemies?

[W*GS]

With friends like W*gs who needs enemies?

Have you ever noticed that here on the OM, you pretty much stand alone?