Who do you consider the Heavy Weight Champion?

[ZONA]

I don't pretend to be the biggest of boxing experts but how in the hell did there become so many damn Title Belts?

The World Boxing Association (WBA), founded in 1921
The World Boxing Council (WBC), founded in 1963
The International Boxing Federation (IBF), founded in 1983
The World Boxing Organization (WBO), founded in 1988

Why hasn't there been a unification of these belts to show who the true champion is? That is pure insanity.

Anyway, there are the belt holder right now? Who's the best and why?

WBA : Nicolay Valouev (Russian Federation)
WBC : Oleg Maskaev (Kazakhstan)
WBO : Shannon Briggs (United States)
IBF : Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine)

I've seen all of these men fight and pretty much every Heavyweight fight for the past 5 years and I would have to say the Wladimir is the TRUE champion right now. I hate the fact that each belt holder has to fight the mandatory #1 ranked guy for that organization instead of fighting the other title holders. It's boxing politics and it pathetic.

[watermock]

I would have to say Don King.

[SureShot]

Boxing is becoming irrelevent, and this is one of the reasons why.

[Orange_Beard]

Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine) , is clearly the best. If he gets a chance he will have all the belts.

[watermock]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Griffin+safety&search=Search

The Golden Age.

[ZONA]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Griffin+safety&search=Search

The Golden Age.

What does a Youtube video of Michael Griffin have to do with boxing?

[ZONA]

Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine) , is clearly the best. If he gets a chance he will have all the belts.

That might be true. Valuev and Klitschko have said they wanted to fight and at least unify the IBF and WBC. It's a start. Personally, I think the 7 footer has no chance. That is one SLOW man. The only thing he's got going for him is that his mellon is probably harder then steel. All Wlad has to do is tag that oversized rockhead and move.

and I wanted to add to my original post but forgot, Don King is the worst thing that ever happened to modern boxing. He's a theif and an immoral man.

[watermock]

It must of stuck...sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZFr-3OMnh0&mode=related&search=

[watermock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlNwujdeZQE

This is interesting.

[ant1999e]

Boxing is becoming irrelevent, and this is one of the reasons why.

MMA is much more exciting.

[BroncoInferno]

Klitschko is generally regarded as the real champ. Hopefully, he'll get the chance to unify the division soon. My hope is that the WBC will uphold Samuel Peter's mandatory status and let him fight--and likely dispatch--Maskeav, setting up a rematch between he and Klitschko at years end to unify the belts.

[Kaylore]

Boxing is becoming irrelevent, and this is one of the reasons why.
The other reason is cage/street fighting is more popular.

[Don Flamenco]

Another reason is today's American Heavy Weight Champ is playing Middle linebacker somewhere in the NFL. The heavyweight division is a joke. That's why the lower ranks are much more exciting. Those guys don't have the opportunity to make gazillion dollars making money in another sport.

[Don Flamenco]

The Greatest Fight Ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWL0pr1ARzQ

Whole 10th round
"You gotta ****ing get inside on him now"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=imZaiGJgbsw&mode=related&search=

[Maximus]

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HAYSTACKS CALHOUN!!!

[theAPAOps5]

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TugBoat from the WWF

[Triplelefthook]

Wladimir Klitschko is the most skilled of the bunch. He has done real well under Manny Steward too. However he has a real weak chin, and questionable stamina as well. there is no REAL champ, so to speak... and there hasn't been since Lennox retired. The fact that Shannon Briggs has a title belt shows the state of the division, pretty poor. Vitali Klitshcko is coming back, depending on how he deals with the long layoff he could take over the division again- at his peak he was a much stronger fighter than his brother. Valuev is not a terrible fighter, but he is not that good either... just hard to fight considering his size. Maskaev is damaged goods... if vitali or sam peter get in the ringg with him then women and children should leave the room. Shannon Briggs is junk

the best fight in the heavyweight division to be made right now imo would be a Klitschko-Peter rematch

The other posters are right tho, the real action is in the lighter weights where there are still many talented fighters. some serious fights that can be made. coming up is DLH-Mayweather, hopefully Calzaghe-Kessler and Cotto-Margarito down the road.

[Maximus]

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Yokozuna

[theAPAOps5]

I have always been a fan of the lower weight class fights. They are far more entertaining.

[theAPAOps5]

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Yokozuna


Holy crap I forgot about him.

[ozomulsion]

Another reason is today's American Heavy Weight Champ is playing Middle linebacker somewhere in the NFL. The heavyweight division is a joke. That's why the lower ranks are much more exciting. Those guys don't have the opportunity to make gazillion dollars making money in another sport.

As a whole I would agree but Wladimir Klitschko is no joke. I'd love to see that guy fight the likes of Holyfield, Bowe or the old Tyson. I'll bet he would lose but put up one hell of a fight.

[Triplelefthook]

wladimir would put up a great fight until Tyson, Bowe or Holy tapped him on the chinny chin chin

[Don Flamenco]

I dunno, he looked preetty funny against Lamon Brewster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok06RhrJA0E&mode=related&search=

[mosca]

Fedor Emelianenko.

http://www.fedor.bel.ru/pics/gallery2/30s.jpg

[Don Flamenco]

baddest man on the planet!

[Triplelefthook]

MMA is much more exciting.

if you are a fan of half naked man grappling and mounting each other on the floor

[ZONA]

if you are a fan of half naked man grappling and mounting each other on the floor


No doubt. I've watched countless MMA matches and 1 out of 20 is worth watching and have any real great moments. Most of the time it's wrestling with submission holds and tap outs. B O R I N G!

[ZONA]

I personally don't think Wlad has as weak as a chin as some think. He only has 2 losses and two of them he lit up the other guy big time early in the fight, only to lose because of stamina reasons. Sanders was the only true thumping he took and alot of boxing experts agree that Sanders may have the heaviest hands in the division. Back to the stamina thing, not sure but I thought I heard that his camp may have fired a previous guy due to rubbing vasaline over his entire body, causing his body heat to rise so much that it zapped his energy. Personally I think he just used to much energy during the front of the fight. Now that he is a little wiser, I think he paces himself much more and you can see that look in his eye again. That look where he has no fear. He will knock anybody out he steps in the ring with. I think he will have a very long rule at the top of the division.

[Triplelefthook]

I personally don't think Wlad has as weak as a chin as some think. He only has 2 losses and two of them he lit up the other guy big time early in the fight, only to lose because of stamina reasons. Sanders was the only true thumping he took and alot of boxing experts agree that Sanders may have the heaviest hands in the division. Back to the stamina thing, not sure but I thought I heard that his camp may have fired a previous guy due to rubbing vasaline over his entire body, causing his body heat to rise so much that it zapped his energy. Personally I think he just used to much energy during the front of the fight. Now that he is a little wiser, I think he paces himself much more and you can see that look in his eye again. That look where he has no fear. He will knock anybody out he steps in the ring with. I think he will have a very long rule at the top of the division.

Wlad has 3 losses. His first loss was a TKO loss to journeyman Ross Purrity whom he was dominating thru 10 rounds and ran out of gas due to his poor stamina. There are always excuses that a fighter gives for his losses, i have heard the vasoline story but the truth is his loss to Brewster was the second example of him losing to poor stamina.

Sanders does have heavy hands but he was 38 years old and had been playing golf for over a year when he got in the ring with wlad and thrashed him. his chin is made of fine china.

[clint7]

Rocky Balboa

[KipCorrington25]

Anyone remember Jerry Blackwell? He would have made Fedor his prison bitch.

[ZONA]

Wlad has 3 losses. His first loss was a TKO loss to journeyman Ross Purrity whom he was dominating thru 10 rounds and ran out of gas due to his poor stamina. There are always excuses that a fighter gives for his losses, i have heard the vasoline story but the truth is his loss to Brewster was the second example of him losing to poor stamina.

Sanders does have heavy hands but he was 38 years old and had been playing golf for over a year when he got in the ring with wlad and thrashed him. his chin is made of fine china.

If the perfec shot lands in just the right spot, everybody has a glass chin my friend. I doubt all the people Wlad has knocked silly have been accoused of having glass chins, can we agree? Did Lewis have a rep for a glass chin? No, but when Rahman's shot landed just right, he went down fast and hard. You said it yourself man. The first two losses he was dominating and his stamina caused the loss. So really only one guy has hit him so hard to knock him out and that was heavy hands sanders. 38 has nothing to do with it anything. Lewis fought until he was close to that age. Holyfield, Foreman, and many others have fought into their late 30's. Your big heavy hands don't get old and they can still land hard and do damage. Your basis to try and prove that Wlad has a weak chin has been proven to be fiction and not fact.

[Triplelefthook]

If the perfec shot lands in just the right spot, everybody has a glass chin my friend. I doubt all the people Wlad has knocked silly have been accoused of having glass chins, can we agree? Did Lewis have a rep for a glass chin? No, but when Rahman's shot landed just right, he went down fast and hard. You said it yourself man. The first two losses he was dominating and his stamina caused the loss. So really only one guy has hit him so hard to knock him out and that was heavy hands sanders. 38 has nothing to do with it anything. Lewis fought until he was close to that age. Holyfield, Foreman, and many others have fought into their late 30's. Your big heavy hands don't get old and they can still land hard and do damage. Your basis to try and prove that Wlad has a weak chin has been proven to be fiction and not fact.

Yes, Lennox DID have a weak chin. It was the defining weakness of his entire career. Lennox fought up to 37 or 38 but he didnt take year long layoffs playing golf inbetween. he stayed in top shape by fighting top opposition. While we are on the subject... what top fighter did Corrie Sanders ever knock out? wladimir is the only one.

wlad has a very shaky chin and its evident just watching him fight, not just the fact that he has been knocked out 3 times. he has been shaken up numerous times in the ring and he doesnt react well to being hit. his best recent win was over sam peter and he barely won that because of all the times he was deposited on the canvas from punches that weren't even that solid. he fights scared a lot and its with good reason, he has very poor punch resistance.

[BroncoInferno]

Cotto-Margarito down the road.

Margarito won't make it past Paul Williams in June. The latter is the next big superstar in boxing. A 6'2" welterweight who averages 100 plus punches per round. I just hope Mayweather will have the guts to eventually get in the ring with "The Punisher", because we'll finally see that punk get his clock cleaned if he does. He won't be able to use his pansy pot-shot-and-run tactics on the long-armed Williams. I'm skeptical of Cotto. His management has been putting him in the ring against light-handed punchers ever since he tasted the canvas in a close call back in 2005. He took a lot of shots in his last fight as well, but his opponent (name escapes me at the moment) didn't have the power to make those shots count. I'm eager to see him in the ring against someone with heavy hands.

[-Slap-]

if you are a fan of half naked man grappling and mounting each other on the floor

Thank you. UFC is the most homoerotic sport since figure skating.

UFC when you absolutely, positively have to see two white guys in the ring.

[-Slap-]

No doubt. I've watched countless MMA matches and 1 out of 20 is worth watching and have any real great moments. Most of the time it's wrestling with submission holds and tap outs. B O R I N G!

That scintillating headlock action is too much for you, eh?

[SureShot]

Wlad has 3 losses. His first loss was a TKO loss to journeyman Ross Purrity whom he was dominating thru 10 rounds and ran out of gas due to his poor stamina. There are always excuses that a fighter gives for his losses, i have heard the vasoline story but the truth is his loss to Brewster was the second example of him losing to poor stamina.

Sanders does have heavy hands but he was 38 years old and had been playing golf for over a year when he got in the ring with wlad and thrashed him. his chin is made of fine china.

Aren't the Klitchko broyhers known for punching themselves out?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I have always been a fan of the lower weight class fights. They are far more entertaining.I grew up in an era where the heavyweights dominated the sport. Liston lived less than half a mile from us and my dad was a boxer (light-heavyweight) before WWII) and a big fan of his at the time. We listened to every heavyweight fight we could on the radio. My dad had hearing impairments from high altitude flying during the war so I was the translator for the fights. He was pretty bummed when I told him Clay knocked out Liston (kept telling me to listen to the radio and make sure :) but I was excited and became Ali's biggest fan right there.

And the next 15 years just got better and better. Ali, Frazier, Patterson, Lyle, Norton, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Holmes, Young, Shavers, etc..

Ali in his prime would destroy any of these pretenders out there today.

[Triplelefthook]

Margarito won't make it past Paul Williams in June. The latter is the next big superstar in boxing. A 6'2" welterweight who averages 100 plus punches per round. I just hope Mayweather will have the guts to eventually get in the ring with "The Punisher", because we'll finally see that punk get his clock cleaned if he does. He won't be able to use his pansy pot-shot-and-run tactics on the long-armed Williams. I'm skeptical of Cotto. His management has been putting him in the ring against light-handed punchers ever since he tasted the canvas in a close call back in 2005. He took a lot of shots in his last fight as well, but his opponent (name escapes me at the moment) didn't have the power to make those shots count. I'm eager to see him in the ring against someone with heavy hands.


Actually I hope you are right about Williams beating Margarita. In which case make it Cotto vs. Williams as a superfight on the horizon, i would be much happier with that. I hate margarita but I think that margarita will win in June. Be it Cotto or Williams i just hope one of them gives margarita a beatdown.

Cotto has been rocked and/or dropped by Demarcus Corley and Ricardo Torres both in 2005. His last few opponents have been relatively light punchers, true. But Cotto was slated to fight Joel Julio (who is a monstrous puncher) but Julio lost to Carlos Quintana and to be fair Cotto fought Quintana instead. Cotto is fighting Zab Judah later this year and Judah has real quick hands and has pretty good power as well. Cotto is the real deal imo and i love to watch him fight

i wouldn't question floyd mayweather's courage either- he is getting in the ring with DLH who is a far greater challenge than Paul..... what's his name again?

[Triplelefthook]

Aren't the Klitchko broyhers known for punching themselves out?

Just Wladimir

[Triplelefthook]

And the next 15 years just got better and better. Ali, Frazier, Patterson, Lyle, Norton, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Holmes, Young, Shavers, etc..



the Golden Era of heavyweights. Those were the days. If anyone wants to see a great fight- check out Frazier vs. Quarry I. Or better yet Foreman vs. Lyle.

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Yes, Lennox DID have a weak chin. It was the defining weakness of his entire career. Lennox fought up to 37 or 38 but he didnt take year long layoffs playing golf inbetween. he stayed in top shape by fighting top opposition. While we are on the subject... what top fighter did Corrie Sanders ever knock out? wladimir is the only one.

wlad has a very shaky chin and its evident just watching him fight, not just the fact that he has been knocked out 3 times. he has been shaken up numerous times in the ring and he doesnt react well to being hit. his best recent win was over sam peter and he barely won that because of all the times he was deposited on the canvas from punches that weren't even that solid. he fights scared a lot and its with good reason, he has very poor punch resistance.

Peter had the fight won, but his own chin and stamina issues prevented him from closing the deal.

[-Slap-]

Quarry in his prime would destroy any of these pretenders out there today.

This is probably accurate as well.

[Triplelefthook]

Peter had the fight won, but his own chin and stamina issues prevented him from closing the deal.


I have a different take on it... IMO Wlad dominated the fight and won 9 or 10 rounds but the fight was close on the scorecards because he kept getting knocked down by grazing punches (keep in mind "grazing" is a relative term here haha). When Wlad rocked Peter late in the fight... it wasn't anything to do with Peter's chin or stamina it was just a reinforcing the fact that Wlad is a more skilled fighter. better handspeed, better combination puncher, better arsenal of punches...

[BroncoInferno]

Actually I hope you are right about Williams beating Margarita. In which case make it Cotto vs. Williams as a superfight on the horizon, i would be much happier with that. I hate margarita but I think that margarita will win in June. Be it Cotto or Williams i just hope one of them gives margarita a beatdown.

It will be a good fight, but Williams' relentless pressure and tough chin will eventual wear down Margarito, who has a tendency to fade a bit in his fights.

Cotto has been rocked and/or dropped by Demarcus Corley and Ricardo Torres both in 2005. His last few opponents have been relatively light punchers, true. But Cotto was slated to fight Joel Julio (who is a monstrous puncher) but Julio lost to Carlos Quintana and to be fair Cotto fought Quintana instead. Cotto is fighting Zab Judah later this year and Judah has real quick hands and has pretty good power as well. Cotto is the real deal imo and i love to watch him fight

Julio is a big puncher, but pretty crude. He telegraphs his punches horribly, a big reason why the craftier and quicker Quintana made realitively easy work of the youngster. Cotto is talented, no doubt, but he gets hit a lot and I want to see him take some shots from a legit hitter.

i wouldn't question floyd mayweather's courage either

To me, being a great fighter is not just about winning, it is about taking chances in the ring, a willingness to fight toe-to-toe in an effort to produce something truly memorable. Mayweather just runs around the ring, darts in for a pot-shot, maybe an occasional combination, then retreats. That is not being a great fighter, that is playing it safe. The strategy works, but I expect more from someone who wants to be considered among the all-time greats.

- he is getting in the ring with DLH who is a far greater challenge than Paul..... what's his name again?

Well, Paul's career is young and this will be his first chance to really prove himself against a top fighter. I love his style and I think he'll quickly emerge as a top 10 pound-for-pound fighter. De La Hoya is a great fighter, but I just don't see his style as something that will be problematic for Pretty Boy, UNLESS Floyd actually strives for greatness and goes toe-to-towe with the Golden Boy. Matchup wise, I think Paul will be a much bigger problem because of his ranginess coupled with his relentless forward movement. It will very difficult for Floyd to stay away from him. Hopefully, that fight will eventually happen.

Another fight I hope to see within the next year is Jermaine Taylor moving up to fight Colzaghe. I think that would be an awesome matchup of styles. After Taylor fights Spinks (the one is going to likely be a snoozer--awful matchup) and the Miranda-Pavlik winner (explosive possibilities with either of these guys), he'll pretty much be out of any interesting possilities at middleweight unless Winky Wright stops being a baby and takes a rematch (Abraham would make a good fight--but he has limited marketability and I don't see that fight materializing), so moving up for a superfight would make the most sense.

[BroncoInferno]

I have a different take on it... IMO Wlad dominated the fight and won 9 or 10 rounds but the fight was close on the scorecards because he kept getting knocked down by grazing punches (keep in mind "grazing" is a relative term here haha). When Wlad rocked Peter late in the fight... it wasn't anything to do with Peter's chin or stamina it was just a reinforcing the fact that Wlad is a more skilled fighter. better handspeed, better combination puncher, better arsenal of punches...

Peter has greatly improved in the two years since that fight. He was a totally different man in the second Toney fight from the crude caveman who fought Wlad. With that said, I think Wlad is much better as well, fighting with a lot more confidence and assertiveness, and has also learned how to better pace himself (I think this was his problem more than a weak chin--he clearly punched himself out against Brewster trying to get a knockout in a fight he was dominating). I think a rematch would be a much different fight for both men and more compelling for fans. Hopefully, the wretched WBC will uphold his mandatory status after dicking him around by making him refight Toney and now the Vitali fiasco. He'd easily dispatch Maskaev, setting up the first legitimate heavyweight title fight since Lewis-Vitali.

[Triplelefthook]

It will be a good fight, but Williams' relentless pressure and tough chin will eventual wear down Margarito, who has a tendency to fade a bit in his fights.



Julio is a big puncher, but pretty crude. He telegraphs his punches horribly, a big reason why the craftier and quicker Quintana made realitively easy work of the youngster. Cotto is talented, no doubt, but he gets hit a lot and I want to see him take some shots from a legit hitter.



To me, being a great fighter is not just about winning, it is about taking chances in the ring, a willingness to fight toe-to-toe in an effort to produce something truly memorable. Mayweather just runs around the ring, darts in for a pot-shot, maybe an occasional combination, then retreats. That is not being a great fighter, that is playing it safe. The strategy works, but I expect more from someone who wants to be considered among the all-time greats.



Well, Paul's career is young and this will be his first chance to really prove himself against a top fighter. I love his style and I think he'll quickly emerge as a top 10 pound-for-pound fighter. De La Hoya is a great fighter, but I just don't see his style as something that will be problematic for Pretty Boy, UNLESS Floyd actually strives for greatness and goes toe-to-towe with the Golden Boy. Matchup wise, I think Paul will be a much bigger problem because of his ranginess coupled with his relentless forward movement. It will very difficult for Floyd to stay away from him. Hopefully, that fight will eventually happen.

Another fight I hope to see within the next year is Jermaine Taylor moving up to fight Colzaghe. I think that would be an awesome matchup of styles. After Taylor fights Spinks (the one is going to likely be a snoozer--awful matchup) and the Miranda-Pavlik winner (explosive possibilities with either of these guys), he'll pretty much be out of any interesting possilities at middleweight unless Winky Wright stops being a baby and takes a rematch (Abraham would make a good fight--but he has limited marketability and I don't see that fight materializing), so moving up for a superfight would make the most sense.


Ha Ha Margarita is exactly the opposite... he comes on strong late in fights he is known as a slow starter.

I agree with you on why Quintana beat Julio... that wasn't my point. You were asserting that Cotto was being sheltered from hard punchers but he was scheduled to fight Julio who is a hard puncher but instead fought the guy who beat Julio... and he is fighting a legitimate puncher in Zab Judah later this year.

Floyd is fighting way above his natural fighting weight. He has definitely darted around in some fights like against Baldomir and the Castillo rematch but those guys are much bigger fighters with rock solid chins and its really stupid not to fight them cautiously when you are a fighter and your strengths are speed not power.

You want to talk about a great performance... check out Floyd vs. Corrales. Mayweather went thru a run of TOP compeition at 130-135, he had a controversial fight against Castillo and he gave him an immediate rematch and dominated.... that is a great fighter. His competition of late may be more questionable... but he is taking a much bigger risk fighting DLH at 154 than fighting a nobody (Paul Whatshisname).

I agree about Taylor-Winky-Pavlik-Abraham-Miranda-Calzaghe etc

[Triplelefthook]

Peter has greatly improved in the two years since that fight. He was a totally different man in the second Toney fight from the crude caveman who fought Wlad. With that said, I think Wlad is much better as well, fighting with a lot more confidence and assertiveness, and has also learned how to better pace himself (I think this was his problem more than a weak chin--he clearly punched himself out against Brewster trying to get a knockout in a fight he was dominating). I think a rematch would be a much different fight for both men and more compelling for fans. Hopefully, the wretched WBC will uphold his mandatory status after dicking him around by making him refight Toney and now the Vitali fiasco. He'd easily dispatch Maskaev, setting up the first legitimate heavyweight title fight since Lewis-Vitali.

I agree with everything except Wlad DOES have a weak chin imo

[Bronx33]

I grew up in an era where the heavyweights dominated the sport. Liston lived less than half a mile from us and my dad was a boxer (light-heavyweight) before WWII) and a big fan of his at the time. We listened to every heavyweight fight we could on the radio. My dad had hearing impairments from high altitude flying during the war so I was the translator for the fights. He was pretty bummed when I told him Clay knocked out Liston (kept telling me to listen to the radio and make sure :) but I was excited and became Ali's biggest fan right there.

And the next 15 years just got better and better. Ali, Frazier, Patterson, Lyle, Norton, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Holmes, Young, Shavers, etc..

Ali in his prime would destroy any of these pretenders out there today.


Iam with ya on all points slug i grew up watchin the likes of ali,forman and frazier ect on wide world of sports (for free) before don king came in and rat ****** the whole sport for personal gain. I have a real hard time even watchin bouts anymore not knowing if it's been staged, when king takes a dirt nap it will be great day for boxing fans.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Iam with ya on all points slug i grew up watchin the likes of ali,forman and frazier ect on wide world of sports (for free) before don king came in and rat ****** the whole sport for personal gain. I have a real hard time even watchin bouts anymore not knowing if it's been staged, when king takes a dirt nap it will be great day for boxing fans.Can we make this day a national holiday?








One my most cherished pictures in my house.....

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[Spider]

I love boxing , but damn they got a belt for every letter of the alphabet

[Bronx33]

Looks like a one of a kind? very unique.

[Triplelefthook]

nice Rumble in the Jungle picture

One thing i think is being blown out of proportion- there are still many excellent fighters around and lots of exciting matchups. plenty to be excited about to be a boxing fan right now. the heavyweight division is not in good shape, but heavyweights suck anyways. the only real good crop of heavyweights was the golden era in the 70's.

its a little harder to follow these days but if you can its still a great sport to be a fan of.

Also Bob Arum has ruined boxing every bit as much as Don King has.

[Bronx33]

nice Rumble in the Jungle picture

One thing i think is being blown out of proportion- there are still many excellent fighters around and lots of exciting matchups. plenty to be excited about to be a boxing fan right now. the heavyweight division is not in good shape, but heavyweights suck anyways. the only real good crop of heavyweights was the golden era in the 70's.

its a little harder to follow these days but if you can its still a great sport to be a fan of.

Also Bob Arum has ruined boxing every bit as much as Don King has.


Yep but the point is what and who are we missing as boxing fans due to the don kings of the sport.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Looks like a one of a kind? very unique.Indeed one of of a kind :) One of my life long friends from school was a Foreman fan and I always was an Ali cheerleader (which drove him nuts). We had a $20 bet on the fight and he was pretty disappointed after the fight. I didn't say anything about the cash afterwards because I knew he was always good on his word. About 3 weeks later he called me and said he was stopping by. He broke out that 1" thick wood boxing glove picture that he made himself and handed to me. I was stunned to say the least! Friends like that are what makes life real and wonderful!

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I have a different take on it... IMO Wlad dominated the fight and won 9 or 10 rounds but the fight was close on the scorecards because he kept getting knocked down by grazing punches (keep in mind "grazing" is a relative term here haha). When Wlad rocked Peter late in the fight... it wasn't anything to do with Peter's chin or stamina it was just a reinforcing the fact that Wlad is a more skilled fighter. better handspeed, better combination puncher, better arsenal of punches...

No, I completely agree with your assessment. I used a very poor choice of words to say Peter "had the fight won". I just got the sense he could end it at any second if he could just land one solid punch on the button. Like you said, he really didn't do much more than graze Wlad all night. And pose a lot.

I was going to bet on Peter in that fight, but he became a very popular choice and the price chased me away. I was grateful to everyone who stepped forward and took the bullets for me.

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Also Bob Arum has ruined boxing every bit as much as Don King has.

No doubt. Don put on better cards, too.

[Jens1893]

Valuev just got killed by Chagaev

[gunns]

Can we make this day a national holiday?








One my most cherished pictures in my house.....

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9018/alico8.jpg


Love the picture! That's when boxing was good. Haven't watched it for a couple of years, although I'd love to see this DelaHoya/Merriweather fight. Some of the most exciting fights were the Ali fights in the 70's, the Ray Leonard/Hagler/Hearns fights. Could never stand Larry Holmes, loved Holyfield, and the one I laughed at throughout was the Tyson-Douglas fight. Laughed for years afterward. Tyson was a 3 round wonder, after that just a punching bag.

[freak6]

Valuev just got killed by Chagaev

I had Valuev winning that fight. I think the David vs Goliath factor won over the judges. Even though the Giant is boring, slow, and plodding, he landed the harder punches, controlled the last 6 rounds imo, and I had win the fight 7-5.

To say he got killed is laughable, it looked like he just got done chopping down Sequoias, no damage to him at all.

[freak6]

I consider Wlad the Champ.

[BroncoInferno]

I had Valuev winning that fight. I think the David vs Goliath factor won over the judges. Even though the Giant is boring, slow, and plodding, he landed the harder punches, controlled the last 6 rounds imo, and I had win the fight 7-5.

To say he got killed is laughable, it looked like he just got done chopping down Sequoias, no damage to him at all.

Could not disagree more. Chageav had complete control of the fight after the 4th round. He did a great job of mixing up his style to confuse Valuev and negate his reach advantage. The 12th round was excellent, and Chagaev put on explanation point on his clear victory by landing a vicious left right at the bell.

[Broncoman13]

Fedor Emelianenko.

http://www.fedor.bel.ru/pics/gallery2/30s.jpg


Little doubt that Fedor is the baddest man on the planet! Say what you want about MMA, it's the best and most modern fighting and they've promoted themselves pretty well in the last 5-10 years. 10 years ago you only knew the Royce Gracies. Today you have 10-20 guys that you can name and chances are people will recognize their name. Guys like Cro-Cop, Fedor, Silva, Chuck Liddell, Tito, Matt Hughes, and Colture have really made the sport popular.

When they first started, they were lucky to make $5k per fight. Tito Ortiz for example is up to about $200k per fight. I don't know about the Pride Fighters, but I would assume that Guys like Cro-Cop, Fedor, Silva, Sho-gun, and a few others make a pretty penny per fight as well.

[MechanicalBull]

http://www.quicksilver.blogger.com.br/RockyIII.jpg

http://www.totalrocky.com/archive/photos/art_neiman.jpg

[ant1999e]

No doubt. I've watched countless MMA matches and 1 out of 20 is worth watching and have any real great moments. Most of the time it's wrestling with submission holds and tap outs. B O R I N G!

I was a big boxing fan back when De La Hoya, Chavez, Pernell Whitaker and Trinidad fought. But when the fights started going to the judges and they began being contraversal decisions every fight, it got ridiculous. I think corruption spread. I really lost interest in boxing. If you really watch mma and understand the stradegy, it is exciting. Boxing does have alot of boring hugging.

[MileHighMagic]

[QUOTE=ant1999e;1551434]If you really watch mma and understand the stradegy, it is exciting.QUOTE]

Yeah, if you like watching 2nd rate pro athletes. One out of ten fights is good. My buddies love it and I just find it boring as hell. When they actually throw hands it's great but most of the time they're just wrestling. I understand that **** is not entertaining...Boxing is.