Forget Jarvis Moss or Anthoney Spencer, We NEED Paul Posluszny

[skmoser]

Guys.....I'm sorry but taking a DE first round will not be a good decision. We absolutely need Paul Posluszny as our first choice. How many times did Rivers dump it off over the middle to LT? Posluszny is a great coverage man (along with his amazing skills stoping the run) and can help us out. It is almost certain that the FO is going to move Al Wilson.....Bly's new contract leaves no room for Wilson's contract.....He's going to be traded (I'll be sorry when it happens) and we will need help in the LB department....I don't want to sign some flunkie, I want fresh legs......
This is my dream draft.....better yet this is who we should draft

1st round
Paul Posluszny OLB PSU
2nd round
Quentin Moses DE Georgia
3rd round
James Martin OT BC
Brendan Mebane DT Cal
6th round
Justin Medlock K UCLA
Brian Robison DE Texas (when we get it back from the Dolphins)
7th round
Daren Stone S Maine

[Lestat]

i have just one question....have you lost your mind?

we need a DE, we can get a starting LB in the 2nd round but we need a physical freak who can bust through blocks & get to the QB

people are making to big a deal out of the Al Wilson situation

[footstepsfrom#27]

Every year there's another excuse why we can't take an offensive or defensive lineman in the first round. When will people wake up and realize this game is played and won or lost in the trenches?

[ludo21]

Another OLB?? ummm please no

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Pozzy, probably more than most here, but we already have a WSLB playing out of position. Why add a third? If a LB is added it needs to be a pure MLB or pure SSLB.

[footstepsfrom#27]

i have just one question....have you lost your mind?

we need a DE, we can get a starting LB in the 2nd round but we need a physical freak who can bust through blocks & get to the QB

people are making to big a deal out of the Al Wilson situation
Actually I'd rather have a DT instead of a DE as the top priority (other than OT) because after you get past the top 3 defensive ends, Anderson, Gaines and Carriker, the rest of the 1st round guys are questionable talents. We already have that type of player...Ekuban and Lang were both 1st rounders. How do you know anybody we pick 21st is any better than those guys? Most of the time the big time inpact pass rushers go high in the draft. The best interior penetrating DT is Okoye, who IMO would be a better pick than say a Jarvis Moss or somebody like that. I'm not sure this fat man in the middle idea is all it's cracked up to be. It works great if Jason Taylor's on the outside...not so sure about the Ekubans and Lang's of the world.

One way or another we need beef in the first round...not another skill position, LB or return man. I'd rather have an OT but at this point I'd settle for a lineman on either side of the ball.

[skmoser]

Did u even read my mock picks?....i have us taking moses in the 2nd round......is 6-5 260 with a 4.85 40 big enough 4 u......we need Paul for his coverage abilities and his tackling abilities......Wilson is gone.....move DJ inside and start Pual on the weak side..........read my mock....i have 3 DL taken.....and they are all very solid players.........

[Lestat]

well i have no problem with a DT either but when Warren's on his game he's a pro bowler whereas aside from Dumervil we don't have a guy who can get 8+ sacks a year & right now he's not a everydown player

[Memento]

Fine, just so we can call him La-La...

[Jens1893]

No to Medlock. The only PK I want in this draft is Mason Crosby. If we cannot get Mason, then we can wait a year longer.

I wouldn´t object taking a punter like Sepulveda or Podlesh with one of our sixth rounders tho.

[CHANGSTER]

Did u even read my mock picks?....i have us taking moses in the 2nd round......is 6-5 260 with a 4.85 40 big enough 4 u......we need Paul for his coverage abilities and his tackling abilities......Wilson is gone.....move DJ inside and start Pual on the weak side..........read my mock....i have 3 DL taken.....and they are all very solid players.........

You want Gold playing Strong side?

[GonzoLays]

We need Paul Poslusnky like I need another whole in my head.

Besides, that guy is garbage. Absolute garbage.

In two years, they are going to call him Poslbustky.

[Ray Finkle]

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[skmoser]

No way Posluszny is a bust.......i dont feel that the DL that would be left for us at 21 are adequate......we need his skill in our LBs......he plays like urlacher....hard and fast......Moses is a 100% solid pick in the 2nd round.....he's a big solid guy who will put Rivers on his butt many times next year.....

[TheDave]

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Beat me to it...

[JCMElway]

Every year there's another excuse why we can't take an offensive or defensive lineman in the first round. When will people wake up and realize this game is played and won or lost in the trenches?

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!

[Popcorn Sutton]

No way Medlock even makes the 6th round... He made Crosby look kinda... well... not so good in kicking challenges earlier this year.

As far as Polusnicoff or whatever his name is.... He is a good player but F*** Ch*** Sakes, we need a stud Defensive End in the 1st round.

[atomicbloke]

We NEEEEEEED DL in 1st Round. How many years do people have to scream?? It doesn't matter if we have Kobe Bryant playing in all other positions. We WON'T win if we can't get PRessure on the QB

[Inkana7]

Every year there's another excuse why we can't take an offensive or defensive lineman in the first round. When will people wake up and realize this game is played and won or lost in the trenches?

Amen! I still get nightmares thinking about that 49ers game...complete disaster.

[skmoser]

Umm.....HAVE U EVER LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF QUENTIN MOSES?
he is a great pass rusher.....and we dont have to take him in the first found.......EVERYONE GET OFF UR HIGH HORSE AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE......not every good DL was taken in the first round......moses will be great along with Brandon Mebane......2 good DL along with a big time LB.....come on people................

[GonzoLays]

We NEEEEEEED DL in 1st Round. How many years do people have to scream?? It doesn't matter if we have Kobe Bryant playing in all other positions. We WON'T win if we can't get PRessure on the QB

All NFL defenses are geared to stop the run. If you don't stop the run, you can't win the NFL unless you have Peyton Manning at QB. With that in mind, some DCs let the dogs a bit more often the others. That is where is you get the high sack numbers from. High risk, high reward if you will.

So imagine this scenario: 2nd and 8, ball on the Broncos 41. What do you tell your Dline to do? Play the run or the pass? Let's say you say **** it, send the dogs after them. So instead of the Dline playing the run, they all start making pass rushing moves towards the qbs -- spins, up and unders so forth -- while the offense calls a running play and lets say its San Diego we are playing, so LT gets six yards on the easy before Al Wilson can even lay a hand on him because our Dline is four yards in the backfield when it should be trying to clog the running lanes. Damn if you do, damn if you don't, right? Had Phillip Rivers dropped back to pass and our Dline played the run, you would have been throwing your hat at the TV because he was back there all day.

Don't kid yourself. Pressure sounds cool and all, but you can't pressure all game long. IMO, a good DC can make an average Dline a great Dline by the proper play calling. But you give a poor DC Javon Kerse, Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers and Casey Hampton and that Dline can't make him look good. Its all about play calling.

The athletes are too good nowadays for the players to outclass each other like they use too. Sure, there are exceptions to that like Jason Taylor, but for the most part, the OT lining up against the DE bench pressed 300 pounds 25 times just like he did and ran the 40 in under 5 flat. In other words, they cancel each other out.

Its all about schemes, baby.

You could have six DEs who ran the 40 in under 4.5 and still only end up with 30 sacks in a season.

Football has always been a coaches sport and it always will be.

[minibronco]

Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State Nittany Lions

by minibronco

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The Chuck Bednarik Award is presented annually to the best defensive collegiate football player in the United States, as judged by the Maxwell Football Club. Its previous winners include former Penn State linebacker LaVar Arrington (http://www.kffl.com/player/1917/nfl), former University of North Carolina defensive end Julius Peppers (http://www.kffl.com/player/239/nfl), former University of Miami (Fla.) defensive lineman Warren Sapp (http://www.kffl.com/player/1798/nfl) and former University of Michigan cornerback Charles Woodson (http://www.kffl.com/player/1380/nfl).
The Dick Butkus Award is given annually to the top linebacker in college football by the Downtown Athletic Club of Orlando. Its previous winners include former University of Texas linebacker Derrick O. Johnson (http://www.kffl.com/player/9176/nfl) and former Miami (Fla.) linebacker Dan Morgan (http://www.kffl.com/player/256/nfl).
Now try to name the most recent winner of both awards in the same year.
Enter Penn State linebacker Paul Posluszny (http://www.kffl.com/player/13415/nfl): 6-foot-1, 237 pounds, a two-time recipient of the Bednarik Award and one-time Butkus honoree. Posluszny joined Arrington as the only players in Penn State history to win both awards, which he did in 2005. He may be physically capable of doing anything on the field.
Background

Following a stellar high school career, Posluszny chose to play at Pennsylvania State University under head coach Joe Paterno, who has quite a track record of fostering star linebackers. Posluszny was named to the Big Ten All-Freshman team by The Sporting News, finishing his one-start season with 36 tackles and one interception. In 2004, he led Penn State with 104 tackles, and his 9.5 tackles per game were tied for fifth in the Big Ten. "Poz" became the first junior captain at Penn State since 1968, leading the Nittany Lions (http://www.kffl.com/team/16/nfl) to a victory in the 2006 Orange Bowl. However, his season ended on a sour note as he was forced to leave the bowl game in the fourth quarter with two partially torn ligaments in his knee. That forced him to reconsider, and ultimately skip, the 2006 National Football League Draft.
Poz returned to accumulate 116 tackles in his senior year, raising his total to 372 tackles made over 44 games played; he now holds the school record for tackles. The two-time AP All-America now aspires to play professionally in the NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl).
Strengths

One of Posluszny's greatest attributes is his natural extinct, which allows him to excel at all of the necessarily skills at his position. He is able to use his senses to diagnose and react to the offensive action, making him a tremendously intelligent player. When defending against the run, Poz demonstrates fantastic sideline-to-sideline range and good speed. He runs an estimated 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Posluszny is also a better-than-average pass rusher and a reliable tackler. Nonetheless, Posluszny's uncanny mental ability and natural physical talent is his greatest asset. He has an intense work ethic, a nonstop engine on the field and a very physically aggressive mentality in his play. With his experience as a captain at Penn State, Poz also possesses the characteristics of a team leader and playmaker.
Weaknesses

Posluszny could afford to pack on more weight to his 237-pound frame, but size should not be too big of a problem. He sometimes will play out of control as a result of his aggressive nature. However, the major concern about Posluszny is his ability to shed blockers and find his way to the ball. He is also only average in coverage.
Draft Placement

At this point, Posluszny should be selected late in the first round or very early in the second round, as a result of preceding team needs and the talent available this year at other positions.

[atomicbloke]

All NFL defenses are geared to stop the run. If you don't stop the run, you can't win the NFL unless you have Peyton Manning at QB. With that in mind, some DCs let the dogs a bit more often the others. That is where is you get the high sack numbers from. High risk, high reward if you will.

So imagine this scenario: 2nd and 8, ball on the Broncos 41. What do you tell your Dline to do? Play the run or the pass? Let's say you say **** it, send the dogs after them. So instead of the Dline playing the run, they all start making pass rushing moves towards the qbs -- spins, up and unders so forth -- while the offense calls a running play and lets say its San Diego we are playing, so LT gets six yards on the easy before Al Wilson can even lay a hand on him because our Dline is four yards in the backfield when it should be trying to clog the running lanes. Damn if you do, damn if you don't, right? Had Phillip Rivers dropped back to pass and our Dline played the run, you would have been throwing your hat at the TV because he was back there all day.

Don't kid yourself. Pressure sounds cool and all, but you can't pressure all game long. IMO, a good DC can make an average Dline a great Dline by the proper play calling. But you give a poor DC Javon Kerse, Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers and Casey Hampton and that Dline can't make him look good. Its all about play calling.

The athletes are too good nowadays for the players to outclass each other like they use too. Sure, there are exceptions to that like Jason Taylor, but for the most part, the OT lining up against the DE bench pressed 300 pounds 25 times just like he did and ran the 40 in under 5 flat. In other words, they cancel each other out.

Its all about schemes, baby.

You could have six DEs who ran the 40 in under 4.5 and still only end up with 30 sacks in a season.

Football has always been a coaches sport and it always will be.

I appreciate your analysis and it is very good.

But this scenario works if the talent of your DL is at par with the NFL... if your DL is very average average, then you can think of this way. You make it better with schemes etc.

HOwever our DL is way way below average.

Wasn't this obvious over the last 2 seasons?

I mean in 2005, we couldn't get any pressure on the QB without blitzing. And in 2006, we didn't blitz as often and still got burned by every QB.

So both schemes haven't worked.

And they haven't worked, because we are woefully short of talent on DL. Warren is our only starting calibre DL and even he is very average. Doomville is a 3rd down specialist. Who else do we have on DL that could atleast be a starter on half the other NFL teams? None!

We just NEED some talent on DL. Wasn't it painful for you last season when you saw the QB have 10 seconds in the pocket to pick apart our coverage? Without good pass rush, the same thing will happen again and it won't be long before we say Dre Bly = Roc Alexander.

[sirhcyennek81]

I feel there may be validity to this. If Wilson is out, and Willis is not on the board, the next best linebacker is Posluszny, and its not like he is horrible. Then again, trying to divine a Mike Shanahan draft is not worth the headache.


:Broncos:

[mhgaffney]

I tend to agree with the poster -- though whether it will be Posluzny or Willis or someone else remains to be seen.

[skmoser]

There is serious validity.......we need fresh legs for Wilson and Gold.....theyre pushing the age barrier......as i said quentin moses is just as good as moss or spencer........but, we can get him in the second round......we can load up in the draft just like we did in the off season free agents......

[kmartin575]

Guys.....I'm sorry but taking a DE first round will not be a good decision. We absolutely need Paul Posluszny as our first choice. How many times did Rivers dump it off over the middle to LT? Posluszny is a great coverage man (along with his amazing skills stoping the run) and can help us out. It is almost certain that the FO is going to move Al Wilson.....Bly's new contract leaves no room for Wilson's contract.....He's going to be traded (I'll be sorry when it happens) and we will need help in the LB department....I don't want to sign some flunkie, I want fresh legs......
This is my dream draft.....better yet this is who we should draft

1st round
Paul Posluszny OLB PSU
2nd round
Quentin Moses DE Georgia
3rd round
James Martin OT BC
Brendan Mebane DT Cal
6th round
Justin Medlock K UCLA
Brian Robison DE Texas (when we get it back from the Dolphins)
7th round
Daren Stone S Maine

Brian Robison will not fall to the 6th round.

[baja]

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This guy has a reasonable mock and backs up his selictions with solid reasoning. What difference does it make how many posts he has ?

[baja]

Nice thread SKMOSER you made a strong case for you srlections. <i likr your thinking.



welcome to the board, I hpoe you post more. REP-

Sorry about the typos I am using the Mexican version of Mocks keyboard-

[nickademus]

I think I saw this idea on the fox sports mock draft. I am not sure what I think about it. I think this guy is zach thomas jr. he could anchor the middle for years and years. but I would rather see the FO actually spend a first round pick on our D-line. The last First round pick we had on the d-line was Pryce if I am not mistaken.

[azbroncfan]

No Lb's In The First. One Of The Most Overrated Positions In Football.

[Kaylore]

No Lb's In The First. One Of The Most Overrated Positions In Football.

...in a 4-3. That gives me a poll idea...

[bmanhas]

No way Posluszny is a bust.......i dont feel that the DL that would be left for us at 21 are adequate......we need his skill in our LBs......he plays like urlacher....hard and fast......Moses is a 100% solid pick in the 2nd round.....he's a big solid guy who will put Rivers on his butt many times next year.....

actually i would not be surprised in the least if he's a bust. he lacks a lot at the NFL level......no one can question what he's done at the college level, but he played a lot on instinct, and that's not guaranteed to transfer to the pros.

[azbroncfan]

...in a 4-3. That gives me a poll idea...

Yep 3-4 OLB's that get to the QB are at a premium like 4-3 DE's.

[Orange_Beard]

No way.
Draft a young QB to develop, in case Cutler and Ramsey both go down.

[Rascal]

1st round
Paul Posluszny OLB PSU
2nd round
Quentin Moses DE Georgia
3rd round
James Martin OT BC
Brendan Mebane DT Cal
6th round
Justin Medlock K UCLA
Brian Robison DE Texas (when we get it back from the Dolphins)
7th round
Daren Stone S Maine

Take Michael Griffith instead and I'm sold on that draft.

[Crushaholic]

Take Michael Griffith instead and I'm sold on that draft.

agreed....I think he's the best safety in the draft...

[Rohirrim]

I like Zach DeOssie. Hopefully, Jake shows up in TBay and we get that 4th.

[Jens1893]

I like Zach DeOssie. Hopefully, Jake shows up in TBay and we get that 4th.

We don´t get that pick until 2008.

[PLOWHORSE]

Read the STRENGTHS paragraph again closely....It says he has natural extinct..DOH!

[brother love]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTh3DlLr20I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFTqY8pSqcE

He looks pretty damn solid to me!

However I am a Penn State Homer. This guys is a very good football player. I would not be disappointed with us taking him.

[mattob14]

I think we need to pick up a LB this year, but if we draft Posluszny at #21, especially ahead of Moss or Reggie Nelson, we lose a lot of the momentum we've gained this offseason. The only LB I want in the first is Willis. I know you feel Moses will be as good as Moss, but Quincy Black has a good chance to be as good/better than Posluszny and we could pick him up in the late 3rd.

[skmoser]

Why is everyone is hung up on Willis......who says that he wont be a bust in the pros? .......Puzzy is a 2 time naismith winner and a butkis winner.....he is gonna be a stud in the pros.....and we have the chance to get him along with Moses.......i know that he isnt guarenteed to be a great player, but so isnt Willis...oh by the way for the people that think Puzzy is slow, he really runs in th 4.5s and plays 100x faster in the game than in practice.......speed in games is a whole lot more important to us than what he does in practice....

[backup qb]

I would have no problem with Willis.

[backup qb]

I can't wait to see what we do.

[backup qb]

I can't wait to see what we do.

That might be the most obvious statement of all time. :spit:

[Mediator12]

Why is everyone is hung up on Willis......who says that he wont be a bust in the pros? .......Puzzy is a 2 time naismith winner and a butkis winner.....he is gonna be a stud in the pros.....and we have the chance to get him along with Moses.......i know that he isnt guarenteed to be a great player, but so isnt Willis...oh by the way for the people that think Puzzy is slow, he really runs in th 4.5s and plays 100x faster in the game than in practice.......speed in games is a whole lot more important to us than what he does in practice....

Welcome to the board. Now, To your ideas:

1. Drafting another LB in the first in this draft is just not a good idea. The First round LB's are tiered and Posluszny is a second tier LB in the NFL and if you missed it this year was completely average as a MIKE.

He has a ton of value as a SAM though, but despite all the drama here we were not anywhere near as bad at ANY LB position as we were on the DL which was 3X worse than an average effort put in by the LB's. LB's are secondary to DL in the 4-3 scheme's in case you missed it. They are a luxury that DEN already has talent at versus DL.

2. Willis also won the Butkus as the best LB last year, OVER Posluszny.

3. Posluszny has not been the same player he was before the knee Injury. He was a top 10 prospect before it, and a mid to late first currently in a POOR LB draft unlike last year's LB heavy draft.

4. The other rounds are not too bad, but several of those players are not projected to be in the rounds you selected. Robison is not a solid one gap DE. Stone may go in the sixth or earlier depending on when the run on safety's starts, but I think he is a good late safety prospect.

5. Moses was a top projection preseason, and now is a mid to late second rounder. He did NOT respond to the pressure when it counted and that makes him much Higher to bust IMHO than any of the late first rounders at DE.

Thanks for the effort though.

[Ray Finkle]

Welcome to the board. Now, To your ideas:

1. Drafting another LB in the first in this draft is just not a good idea. The First round LB's are tiered and Posluszny is a second tier LB in the NFL and if you missed it this year was completely average as a MIKE.

He has a ton of value as a SAM though, but despite all the drama here we were not anywhere near as bad at ANY LB position as we were on the DL which was 3X worse than an average effort put in by the LB's. LB's are secondary to DL in the 4-3 scheme's in case you missed it. They are a luxury that DEN already has talent at versus DL.

2. Willis also won the Butkus as the best LB last year, OVER Posluszny.

3. Posluszny has not been the same player he was before the knee Injury. He was a top 10 prospect before it, and a mid to late first currently in a POOR LB draft unlike last year's LB heavy draft.

4. The other rounds are not too bad, but several of those players are not projected to be in the rounds you selected. Robison is not a solid one gap DE. Stone may go in the sixth or earlier depending on when the run on safety's starts, but I think he is a good late safety prospect.

5. Moses was a top projection preseason, and now is a mid to late second rounder. He did NOT respond to the pressure when it counted and that makes him much Higher to bust IMHO than any of the late first rounders at DE.

Thanks for the effort though.

and that is why Med is my hero!

[SureShot]

Puzzy is a 2 time naismith winner

Either you meant 2 time Bednarik winner, or Puzzy is a hell of a basketball player.

[watermock]

No No and No.