PS3 or 360

[broncs2bowl]

Simple XBox 360, PS3 or the Wii...Which one is the best?

I am going to get a PS3 and it has free online gaming(although not as good a people base YET) Also it has more multimedia options and it will ev entually get a lot more games.

[fuzzy]

I say go a Wii for now, and buy a ps3 a year from now. It'll take a while for the ps3 monster to get rolling with a solid library of games.

[Casper Bronco]

I say go a Wii for now, and buy a ps3 a year from now. It'll take a while for the ps3 monster to get rolling with a solid library of games.

Just in time to try and compete with Halo 3

[sirhcyennek81]

Just in time to try and compete with Halo 3


God of War III will be out by then, and yes, it will compete with Halo. I am going to buy a PS3, I already bought the hdtv for it.

:Broncos:

[elsid13]

I have PS3, it simple amazing graphics on the HD TV, but the game selection is a weak but it getting better

[Casper Bronco]

God of War III will be out by then, and yes, it will compete with Halo. I am going to buy a PS3, I already bought the hdtv for it.

:Broncos:

It won't even come close to competing with Halo 3

[Garcia Bronco]

The 360 is awesome...but no HDDVD drive included....the Ps3 is awesome too....but the movies are blue-ray...which is another lame attempt by sony to control media

[NFLBRONCO]

PS3 is good but, I wish the games had a harder level on them. Xbox 360 games are more challenging, Call of Duty 3 on PS3 is way way to easy.

[sirhcyennek81]

No it won't!


Uhh...yeah it will. Have you played God of War? I beat GoWII last friday. I wish I had the third one, I would have played that one all weekend too.

:Broncos:

[Casper Bronco]

Uhh...yeah it will. Have you played God of War? I beat GoWII last friday. I wish I had the third one, I would have played that one all weekend too.

:Broncos:

How's the online play?

[sirhcyennek81]

How's the online play?

Right. Because only online play makes a game great.


:Broncos:

[RhymesayersDU]

I voted Wii because that is what I have, but here is the deal breaker, IMO:

Microsoft, in April I think, is going to release the "X-Box 360 Elite" which has 120 GB Hard Drive, HD capabilities (and the HD cords included) and will only cost $480. Now $480 is a lot of money, but still $120 less than the 60 GB PS3.

I'm not a huge graphics/tech guy, but if I were going to buy one (and I may, eventually) it would have to be the 360 based on that.

[Popcorn Sutton]

PS3 for the HDMI, 1080P Blu-Ray player and free online gaming. I currently have the 360 but kinda wish I would have waited and bought the PS3.

[DBruleU]

How's the online play?

Wasn't there a similar thread about this recently?

I've had the 360 for over a year now, and have no complaints at all. The game selection is great, and getting better now that Sony is losing all their exclusive rights to certain blockbuster games such as GTA. The 360 offers the best game selection. The online IMO, is far superior to Sony's. I played the PS3 at a friends, single and online, and Xbox Live is way better than what the PS3 offers.

[Casper Bronco]

Right. Because only online play makes a game great.


:Broncos:

I didn't say that only online play makes a great game. We were talking about God of War 3 competing with Halo 3 weren't we? If that's what we are talking about, online play plays a HUGE part.

[DBruleU]

Right. Because only online play makes a game great.


:Broncos:

In today's age, I would say yes.

I buy most games based solely on what I can do online. Single player is fun, but online gives it the most replayability.

[sirhcyennek81]

In today's age, I would say yes.

I buy most games based solely on what I can do online. Single player is fun, but online gives it the most replayability.



I'd disagree. I found Halo to be an average game with online play making it better. No doubt competeing against other people is an awesome thing, but its not the primary reason I buy videogames. I dig Sony, so I will buy the PS3 and eventually sony will beat microsoft, just how it goes.


:Broncos:

[RkyMtnThunder]

Will PS3 be backwards compatible for PS2 games?

I voted for the 360 cause I have quite a few Xbox titles I didnt want to throw out and start over again with a different platform.

This is really a coke/pepsi kind of poll - boils down to preference with no right/wrong answer.

The wii kinda reminds me of the old Intellevisions where they came out with a radically different controller than the rest of the game stations of the time had.

I never played with a wii - how do you guys like that controller?

[Los Broncos]

The 360 elite is coming out april 27 i think, 120g hd. I like xbox much better.

[sirhcyennek81]

Will PS3 be backwards compatible for PS2 games?

I voted for the 360 cause I have quite a few Xbox titles I didnt want to throw out and start over again with a different platform.

This is really a coke/pepsi kind of poll - boils down to preference with no right/wrong answer.

The wii kinda reminds me of the old Intellevisions where they came out with a radically different controller than the rest of the game stations of the time had.

I never played with a wii - how do you guys like that controller?


PS3 is able to play PS2 games.

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[Casper Bronco]

I dig Sony, so I will buy the PS3 and eventually sony will beat microsoft, just how it goes.

Translation - I am a Sony homer, so no matter what you say I will say Sony is better.

[OrangeShadow]

none,there all wildly overpriced IMO

[chadta]

Will PS3 be backwards compatible for PS2 games?

yes they are.

Personally i will stick with my ps2, i have a 300 gig hard drive in it, and 140 odd games on that hard drive, i boot it up and pick a game from a list, until i can do something like that with either new system i will be sticking with my old one.

Besides i figure ive still got another year or so where i will still be able to get new games for it, once the game support stops then i might get a new system. Altho honestly i only really play football hockey and guitar hero

oh did i mention i just installed a nintendo emulator so i can go old school with 300 nintendo games.

[sirhcyennek81]

Translation - I am a Sony homer, so no matter what you say I will say Sony is better.

I dont think I said that. I simply like sony more. I played Xbox, did not really like the controller, so I stayed with sony. No biggie.


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[RkyMtnThunder]

Besides i figure ive still got another year or so where i will still be able to get new games for it, once the game support stops then i might get a new system.

Thats exactly what I do each time. Hold out until they totally stop making games/supporting the former gen console.

I have 42" HDTV plasma and 1st gen xbox looks great on it. The 2nd gen does look better, but I am now married with kids and priorities arent in latest/greatest gaming anymore.


BTW I have been geeking out on EA's NFL Head Coach big time as of late. I always liked the franchise/GM aspects of Madden games. Head Coach isnt quite for everyone and should have just been a Madden add-on - but I like it.

[ksBRONCOfan]

I converted from PS2 to 360. There are things I don't like about it, like paying for online play, but I'm pretty happy with it. Online play is huge today, games like God of War were fun, but once they have been beat they're not as fun. I've beat Gears of War on 360, but I still play it almost nightly online.

[DBruleU]

I'd disagree. I found Halo to be an average game with online play making it better. No doubt competeing against other people is an awesome thing, but its not the primary reason I buy videogames. I dig Sony, so I will buy the PS3 and eventually sony will beat microsoft, just how it goes.


:Broncos:

I think Halo may be one exception. But generally everyone I know buys games on what you can do online now. You can only beat SP once, but online keeps the game going.

Halo's online was crap IMO. I can't stand playing with all the little kids that play that non-stop.

[sirhcyennek81]

I think Halo may be one exception. But generally everyone I know buys games on what you can do online now. You can only beat SP once, but online keeps the game going.

Halo's online was crap IMO. I can't stand playing with all the little kids that play that non-stop.


My coworker has an Xbox360, she loves it, and she loves Halo. I am happy she found a system that works for her. If a game is good enough, I will play it over and over, SP be damned.

:Broncos:

[Popcorn Sutton]

Alright I give Shadow... who is the avatar picture of? WOW!

[broncsyanks]

having all thee systems there are good and bad for each of them.

Wii great play but you get tired of doing all the motions after a while whereas other systems you just hit a button and your eyes get tired. knock-- doesnt have any games on line yet and its been a while

ps3 to me its loud with the fans internally. cost is another thing. seems they have fixed all of the bugs that it originally came out with. blue ray kicks ass. games and on line is amazing on my hdtv.

360 - just got and have bought the fans that went with it. i know so many people that hate there customer service. there warranty even suks. shame i missed the elite system that sounds worth it. now they have the hd add on but still not worth it because blue ray will win

[Houshyamama]

Uhh...yeah it will. Have you played God of War? I beat GoWII last friday. I wish I had the third one, I would have played that one all weekend too.

:Broncos:

GOW III will be crushed in sales compared to Halo III. No contest. Ha!

[RhymesayersDU]

Halo's online was crap IMO. I can't stand playing with all the little kids that play that non-stop.

I never played Halo on-line, but this sounds like a problem that applies to all games with on-line play, that is, the jackasses on the internet.

I agree, that part of on-line play sucks.

[Willynowei]

GEARS OF WARRR

if you don't like chainsawing people over and over again, then i don't want to know you.

[Broncobuddy7]

I have both a PS3 and 360. Honestly there isn't a big difference between the two. For me honestly, the controllers are the biggest difference. I like the 360's better because they're bigger and more ergonomically correct, but people tell me all the time they like the PS3 controllers better. PS3 has Blu-Ray but the 360 has an HD add-on with better resolution. Blu-Ray will be short lived. There is no substitute to Halo...sorry for anyone who thinks otherwise. Resistance Fall of Man for the PS3 was pretty damn good. But then again Gears of War for the 360 is just as good. So what I'm telling you is buy based on nothing more than a gut feeling. In the end it's pretty much all the same. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably doesn't own both machines. If you go to the geek sites and look up their specs the split pretty much down the middle. Happy shopping.

[scorpio]

I voted Wii because that is what I have, but here is the deal breaker, IMO:

Microsoft, in April I think, is going to release the "X-Box 360 Elite" which has 120 GB Hard Drive, HD capabilities (and the HD cords included) and will only cost $480. Now $480 is a lot of money, but still $120 less than the 60 GB PS3.

I'm not a huge graphics/tech guy, but if I were going to buy one (and I may, eventually) it would have to be the 360 based on that.

Xbox360 already does HD, and comes with HD (component) cables. You're referring to HDMI which is just a different connector that carries both sound and video in the same cable (and allows for tighter DRM on HD content). Most HDTVs in people's homes today don't even have an HDMI port.

edit: said "sound and audio" the first time :P

[Drek]

GOW III will be crushed in sales compared to Halo III. No contest. Ha!

I wouldn't bet heavily on that. Halo has a really big fanbase but GoW II is doing some huge things for it's series, easily more than Halo 2 did for the Halo franchise (which actually lost them some fans due to the poor single player).

Halo 3 is likely to still outsell GoW III but it won't be a crushing by any stretch, God of War II has clearly launched the franchise into the top tier of video game IPs.

As for the topic, I chose not to vote because I'll own all three. When chosing a video game system you should balance what each offers, especially the system that has the games by development studios you liked last generation.

If you're a fan of Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo, God of War, Rachet and Clank, etc. then you're better off getting a PS3.

If you're a fan of Halo, Fable, Knights of the Old Republic and Jade Empire (Bioware's next game is Mass Effect), etc. you're better off going with the 360.

If you like Zelda, Metroid, and Mario get a Wii.

Games matter first and foremost when you buy a system so make sure you can play your favorite franchises or you'll regret it later. After that you should consider peripheral features. Does top line graphics matter to you? If so you probably shouldn't get a Wii. Do you want a system that can function as a multimedia center? If so you need to weigh the all in one 1080p features offered by the PS3 or if you prefer Windows Media Center go with a 360 and link them up. Do you want a high def. movie player? Then you're best off with the PS3 as Blu-Ray has already taken a clear lead over HD-DVD and its only growing. Do you just like to play the major online games or do you like to play a lot of online games very often? If its the former you can probably get by with the PS3 or maybe even the Wii's online capabilities, but if its the later you're best off with a 360 because even though you pay for Xbox Live you get better online play for the less popular games.

Games first, features second, money third because over the course of five or six years you'll spend a whole lot more on games than the system. Worse, if you aren't happy with the system you get you'll lose a whole lot selling it to buy the one you actually want.

[Drek]

Xbox360 already does HD, and comes with HD (component) cables. You're referring to HDMI which is just a different connector that carries both sound and audio in the same cable (and allows for tighter DRM on HD content). Most HDTVs in people's homes today don't even have an HDMI port.

Pretty much all 1080p sets made within the past year have HDMI, its not that rare.

Its also a whole lot more important than just a different connector, movies can actually be blocked to not play at 1080p over component. They aren't yet, but its not exactly a cool situation to get yourself caught in when you can wait a month and get a 360 with HDMI and an extra 100GB for $80 more.

The big difference between the two from an HD standpoint is that Sony has pushed 1080p heavily while MS didn't initially support it and stuck with 720p/1080i. The 360 now supports 1080p but its far from widespread on either system, with the PS3 having a slight lead in support despite a much smaller lineup. The PS3 was designed with 1080p output in mind so its very likely that it'll carry more 1080p titles.

Of course thats irrelevant unless you own a 1080p set over 37", as you won't notice the difference unless you had your eyes replaced with HD calibration gauges.

[scorpio]

Pretty much all 1080p sets made within the past year have HDMI, its not that rare.

I didn't say it was rare, I said most HDTVs in people's houses today do not have an HDMI port, and that's true.


Its also a whole lot more important than just a different connector, movies can actually be blocked to not play at 1080p over component. They aren't yet, but its not exactly a cool situation to get yourself caught in when you can wait a month and get a 360 with HDMI and an extra 100GB for $80 more.

That's what I mean by tighter DRM. Closing the analogue copy hole.


The big difference between the two from an HD standpoint is that Sony has pushed 1080p heavily while MS didn't initially support it and stuck with 720p/1080i. The 360 now supports 1080p but its far from widespread on either system, with the PS3 having a slight lead in support despite a much smaller lineup. The PS3 was designed with 1080p output in mind so its very likely that it'll carry more 1080p titles.

Of course thats irrelevant unless you own a 1080p set over 37", as you won't notice the difference unless you had your eyes replaced with HD calibration gauges.

All true.

[broncolife]

I have both ps3 and xbox 360. The ps3 looks amazing. The xbox360 looks good. But not as good as the ps3.Ps3 looks like a next generation console, xbox360 just seems like another system. I like how the xbox records the games you play and beat.Isnt the ps3 coming out with something similar? If you like online games I would think xbox360 is the way to go. If you like offline gameplay I think ps3 is the way to go. I really dont care for online games, because they take too much of your time. Damn xbox360 is already freezing on me and I bought it 5 months ago.

[Rigs11]

Get a Wii. So much fun to play. And it's kicking sony's ass this round, with developers scrambling to jump on to support it.The wii will get a shetload of games.

[Rigs11]

I have both ps3 and xbox 360. The ps3 looks amazing. The xbox360 looks good. But not as good as the ps3.Ps3 looks like a next generation console, xbox360 just seems like another system. I like how the xbox records the games you play and beat.Isnt the ps3 coming out with something similar? If you like online games I would think xbox360 is the way to go. If you like offline gameplay I think ps3 is the way to go. I really dont care for online games, because they take too much of your time. Damn xbox360 is already freezing on me and I bought it 5 months ago.

dude come on. Gears of war smokes any game on the ps3 right now visually.The pS3 looks like a george foreman grill...

[sirhcyennek81]

I don't know, I might be able to logically convince myself to spend 600 on a system, but to buy all three...that might be much. I am not saying Sony is better then Microsoft, its a matter of preference. Both are powerful systems that will have an incredible game library in the next 15 months. Could anyone imagine a God of War or a Halo in 1987? Or even 1997? I love that I can afford to buy a system, and a game, and go nuts with it. Also, the ending for God of War II was the first ending since GoW to make my jaw drop. The slow-time feature is pretty damn awesome, and used very creatively. I cant wait for that in GoWIII...

:Broncos:

[scorpio]

dude come on. Gears of war smokes any game on the ps3 right now visually.The pS3 looks like a george foreman grill...

http://www.sonyplaystation3news.com/images/ps3-grill.jpg

[Rigs11]

http://www.sonyplaystation3news.com/images/ps3-grill.jpg

Hilarious! LOL

[ZONA]

The only console I would consider buying is the Wii thing. I use PC for all other games but that Wii system is pretty damn cool. I played bowling and tennis on my buddies and it's way cool to actually have a virtual controller where you swing your arms and go through the motions of actuallying rolling a bowling ball or swinging a racket. Very interactive and kids love it.

[RhymesayersDU]

Xbox360 already does HD, and comes with HD (component) cables. You're referring to HDMI which is just a different connector that carries both sound and video in the same cable (and allows for tighter DRM on HD content). Most HDTVs in people's homes today don't even have an HDMI port.

edit: said "sound and audio" the first time :P

Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks.

[RhymesayersDU]

What's really going to be interesting in this console war is going to be this coming Christmas.

As I understand it, a PS3 price-cut is coming later this year. The X-Box 360 Elite will be available (and who knows, maybe a price war comes?) as well as the Wii, which is already pretty affordable and will have more games that use the wiimote technology better (presumably) as developers make more games for it.

[Willynowei]

Please, PS3 is so overpriced.

I sold my 360 plus gears of war and a 4 other games, and all sorts of goodies for $550 to a friend. That, is a whole lot of fun man. I guess if you really like Anime then you have to buy the PS3. But $600 is a lot of money man. You can be chopping people up in Gears for a lot less. Man I miss that game.

[sirhcyennek81]

Please, PS3 is so overpriced.

I sold my 360 plus gears of war and a 4 other games, and all sorts of goodies for $550 to a friend. That, is a whole lot of fun man. I guess if you really like Anime then you have to buy the PS3. But $600 is a lot of money man. You can be chopping people up in Gears for a lot less. Man I miss that game.


$500 XBox or a $600 playstation...yeah...huge difference.


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[TheChamp24]

I have both a PS3 and 360. Honestly there isn't a big difference between the two. For me honestly, the controllers are the biggest difference. I like the 360's better because they're bigger and more ergonomically correct, but people tell me all the time they like the PS3 controllers better. PS3 has Blu-Ray but the 360 has an HD add-on with better resolution. Blu-Ray will be short lived. There is no substitute to Halo...sorry for anyone who thinks otherwise. Resistance Fall of Man for the PS3 was pretty damn good. But then again Gears of War for the 360 is just as good. So what I'm telling you is buy based on nothing more than a gut feeling. In the end it's pretty much all the same. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably doesn't own both machines. If you go to the geek sites and look up their specs the split pretty much down the middle. Happy shopping.

First off, blu-ray will NOT be short lived. Did you not know that Sony has tons of support for the blu-ray, and also Sony does own several movie studios, meaning those movies will only be coming out on blu-ray? I'd be shocked if HD-DVD won the war between blu-ray and HD-DVD.
Graphically, PS3 and X360 will look near the same IMO. You won't notice a huge difference I think. Really, it depends on what type of games people like. If you like FPS's, shooter type games, definitely go 360. If you are more into RPG's and action adventures, probably PS3 with maybe Wii.
I already have a 360 and Wii, and I do like them both, but I can not wait until I get a PS3 when the new Metal Gear game comes out. That game is going to kick ass for me and I'll probably miss class that entire week. I prefer the RPG's, and actually am still trying to finish up playing Final Fantasy 12 here.

[SoDak Bronco]

got halo??? 360

[Taco John]

Here's what I'm doing... I bought the Wii, which is the funnest game system I've ever owned (maybe not prettiest graphics, but the fun factor is there), and will follow it up with the 360 Elite.

[Houshyamama]

I wouldn't bet heavily on that. Halo has a really big fanbase but GoW II is doing some huge things for it's series, easily more than Halo 2 did for the Halo franchise (which actually lost them some fans due to the poor single player).

Halo 3 is likely to still outsell GoW III but it won't be a crushing by any stretch, God of War II has clearly launched the franchise into the top tier of video game IPs.

GoW is a great series, but the Halo franchise is something else entirely. It practically carried the xbox. I couldn't find the sales numbers for GoW II, but I doubt they really compare well to Halo II. But then again, does anything outside of the Star Wars franchise really compete? It's amazing.


The first official release of Halo 2 was in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States on November 9, 2004. Anticipation for the game was high; three weeks before this release, a record 1.5 million copies had already been pre-ordered.[47] Massive lines formed at midnight releases of the game; the event garnered significant media attention.[48] This was followed by releases on November 10, 2004 in France and other European countries, and November 11 in the UK. The game sold 2.4 million copies and earned up to US$125 million in its first 24 hours on store shelves, thus out-grossing the film Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest as highest grossing release in entertainment history.[49] As of November 9, 2005, exactly a year after its release, Halo 2 had sold more than 7 million copies worldwide.[50] Official Xbox Magazine reported that the Halo 2 launch was the biggest event in entertainment history, grossing $125 million on the launch date alone.[51] The game sold 260,000 units in the United Kingdom in its first week, making it the third fastest-selling title of all time. On June 20, 2006, Xbox.com reported that more than a half-billion games of Halo 2 have been played on Xbox Live since its debut; it also reported that 9.2 million units of Halo 2 have been sold worldwide.

[chadta]

First off, blu-ray will NOT be short lived. Did you not know that Sony has tons of support for the blu-ray, and also Sony does own several movie studios, meaning those movies will only be coming out on blu-ray?

the sony betamax was also better then the vhs, howd that work out ?

as far as halo goes, been there done that, its just a rip off of socom, which ripped off counterstrike, which was just an online addon to half life, its been done to death already.

i cant see myself buying a wii, because to me it seems childish, but atleast somebody has done something original for once instead of just rehashing the same old crap. both sony and microsoft need to smarten up.

[ksBRONCOfan]

GEARS OF WARRR

if you don't like chainsawing people over and over again, then i don't want to know you.

Amen Brother!!! :militia:

We need a chainsawing smilie!

[kamakazi_kal]

The 360 is awesome...but no HDDVD drive included....the Ps3 is awesome too....but the movies are blue-ray...which is another lame attempt by sony to control media


blu-ray is a panasonic format...................and the ps3 is the best player currently on the market, it is java based

[Garcia Bronco]

blu-ray is a panasonic format...................and the ps3 is the best player currently on the market, it is java based

Cool...I guess my point is more to there should be only one. :)

[chrisp]

Not being a massive gamer, I feel like I'm in a position where i can sit and wait for this one to sort itself out. Nobody can be 100% certain which format will win - Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. What you can be slightly more certain of, however, is that over time, one format will dominate. You would think that Sony might have learned from the Betamax debacle but its still a gamble nonetheless.

If you're convinced that Blu-ray is the format of the future then that does give the PS3 the edge, as it maintains that all-in-one box concept which is very handy if you don't want to shell out too much of your hard-earned....

What I do like about the Wii however, is that it is a genuinely more creative design with the controller that has the potential to involve people who don't normally consider themselves gamers. Anecdotal evidence I've heard tends to bear this out: people I've heard raving about it are people who are not normally massively into gaming. That's a big tick-in-the-box for the Wii IMO, even if the hardcore gamers look down on it for having less pure 'grunt'.
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[Drek]

GoW is a great series, but the Halo franchise is something else entirely. It practically carried the xbox. I couldn't find the sales numbers for GoW II, but I doubt they really compare well to Halo II. But then again, does anything outside of the Star Wars franchise really compete? It's amazing.

FYI, EVERY Grand Theft Auto game outsold Halo 1 and 2 last generation. Gran Turismo 3 outsold both Halos. Final Fantasy outsells Halo. I could go on.

Don't mistake a popular Xbox franchise as a global powerhouse. It doesn't move units in Japan by a long stretch, and it only does a few million in Europe. Its powerful in the U.S. but we're only one of three vital gaming markets. We have the early adopters to new hardware generations but Japan has most of the major 3rd parties (who support the home territory champ) and Europe is where the most systems will get moved over the generation.

God of War II is cleaning up so far, it's worldwide totals will likely pull in real close to Halo 2, and it'll do it during a generational shift.

I'm not saying it'll surpass Halo as an IP, but you said Halo will crush it, thats simply wrong. God of War is a comparable IP sales-wise and does better outside the U.S..


Cool...I guess my point is more to there should be only one.
There will be, Blu-Ray is currently running over HD-DVD in unit sales despite a later start. Sony owns Tristar, Columbia, and now most of MGM's catalog (including James Bond, the #1 selling DVD franchise of all time) along with their own Sony Pictures libraries, those aren't going anywhere but Blu-Ray. They also have strong ties with almost every major motion picture guaranteeing them blu-ray versions of pretty much all new major releases.

Toshiba and the rest of the HD-DVD crew has no such ties, they're just relying on partnerships to keep their format alive. Its not BetaMax/VHS because Blu-Ray is the better format and is going to win handily.

However, buying a video game console for a next gen movie player is kinda crazy. Sure the PS3 is a good Blu-Ray player but you'll feel pretty burnt if you'd rather be playing Halo than Resistance and Killzone. You'll be able to get a stand alone Blu-Ray player for under $300 within a year and a half, two years tops.

[broncsyanks]

blue ray is better INHO. i watched both and i can see a difference on my 1080p tv. there you will see the difference. now that they are going to be coming out with 1920p soon. this will be a major factor in this.

[Drek]

What I do like about the Wii however, is that it is a genuinely more creative design with the controller that has the potential to involve people who don't normally consider themselves gamers. Anecdotal evidence I've heard tends to bear this out: people I've heard raving about it are people who are not normally massively into gaming. That's a big tick-in-the-box for the Wii IMO, even if the hardcore gamers look down on it for having less pure 'grunt'.
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I think the Wii has its own hard road to travel. The unique controller interface has created a lot of buzz amongst non-gamers and casual gamers, but those people typically don't buy many games. A poor tie ratio can sink a console as surely as poor hardware sales. Look at the PSP, in two years its already sold more units than the Gamecube and will soon pass the Xbox. It has a horrible tie ratio though so 3rd parties are flocking away from it towards favoring the DS.

Systems first and foremost need to sell software. Casual gamers don't typically buy many games. I'm sure Nintendo will see huge sales of Zelda, Mario, etc., but if the 3rd parties see lackluster sales they'll hitch their wagon to the 360 or PS3 instead.

Personally though I think this is going to be an interesting generation. Last generation MS had a strong entry with the Xbox, but their market base sure as hell didn't come out of Sony's end who sold more systems than any generation before. It also only marginally came out of Nintendo's end, who did nearly as well with Gamecube as they did with N64. Sega didn't move many Saturns, nor many Dreamcasts, so that doesn't account for MS' market base either.

So who bought the Xbox? A lot of PC gamers migrating to the console market. MS parlayed their PC gaming might into a console by carrying over the same titles PC gamers wanted to the system, Bioware, Bungie, etc..

Now the 360 is their first real move to take some of the 15-30 demographic away from Sony. As of now they're doing it pretty well. Thats not necessarily crippling to Sony as they typically hit all demographics pretty well, but they've priced themselves out of most people's reach.

Then you have the Wii, a system geared towards the casual and non-gamer. I think it'll have pull towards them like the original Xbox did to PC gamers. It won't make a hundred million new gamers, but 10-15 million over the generation seems pretty likely to me.

My personal prediction is that Nintendo will double the Gamecube's market presence to around 60 Million worldwide systems, largely carried by casual gamers but also thanks to its great fit as a second system alongside a PS3 or 360.

Meanwhile MS will hang onto their market from last generation, worth about 40 million systems, along with taking a nice chunk out of Sony's 15-30 demographic, which moved around 60 million units last generation if I recall (out of the PS2's total ~110M). MS could probably take half of that, putting each system at 70M for the 360 and 80M for PS3.

Kind of a rough estimate and the hardware figures form last gen aren't super accurate as I'm too lazy to look them up, but thats how I see it. Sony's all in one, slightly more powerful system will end up with the most sales, but only by a small margin and MS will close the gap while Nintendo firmly establishes themselves as the casual/second console and makes by far the most money in the process (they always do).

[Man-Goblin]

I think the Wii has its own hard road to travel. The unique controller interface has created a lot of buzz amongst non-gamers and casual gamers, but those people typically don't buy many games. A poor tie ratio can sink a console as surely as poor hardware sales. Look at the PSP, in two years its already sold more units than the Gamecube and will soon pass the Xbox. It has a horrible tie ratio though so 3rd parties are flocking away from it towards favoring the DS.

Systems first and foremost need to sell software. Casual gamers don't typically buy many games. I'm sure Nintendo will see huge sales of Zelda, Mario, etc., but if the 3rd parties see lackluster sales they'll hitch their wagon to the 360 or PS3 instead.

Personally though I think this is going to be an interesting generation. Last generation MS had a strong entry with the Xbox, but their market base sure as hell didn't come out of Sony's end who sold more systems than any generation before. It also only marginally came out of Nintendo's end, who did nearly as well with Gamecube as they did with N64. Sega didn't move many Saturns, nor many Dreamcasts, so that doesn't account for MS' market base either.

So who bought the Xbox? A lot of PC gamers migrating to the console market. MS parlayed their PC gaming might into a console by carrying over the same titles PC gamers wanted to the system, Bioware, Bungie, etc..

Now the 360 is their first real move to take some of the 15-30 demographic away from Sony. As of now they're doing it pretty well. Thats not necessarily crippling to Sony as they typically hit all demographics pretty well, but they've priced themselves out of most people's reach.

Then you have the Wii, a system geared towards the casual and non-gamer. I think it'll have pull towards them like the original Xbox did to PC gamers. It won't make a hundred million new gamers, but 10-15 million over the generation seems pretty likely to me.

My personal prediction is that Nintendo will double the Gamecube's market presence to around 60 Million worldwide systems, largely carried by casual gamers but also thanks to its great fit as a second system alongside a PS3 or 360.

Meanwhile MS will hang onto their market from last generation, worth about 40 million systems, along with taking a nice chunk out of Sony's 15-30 demographic, which moved around 60 million units last generation if I recall (out of the PS2's total ~110M). MS could probably take half of that, putting each system at 70M for the 360 and 80M for PS3.

Kind of a rough estimate and the hardware figures form last gen aren't super accurate as I'm too lazy to look them up, but thats how I see it. Sony's all in one, slightly more powerful system will end up with the most sales, but only by a small margin and MS will close the gap while Nintendo firmly establishes themselves as the casual/second console and makes by far the most money in the process (they always do).

Wow, you seem to know a ton about all this. Why does Nintendo make so much more money? Is it simply a higher margin on the hardware they sell?

[Rigs11]

Wow, you seem to know a ton about all this. Why does Nintendo make so much more money? Is it simply a higher margin on the hardware they sell?

They always make money on their hardware whereas sony and microsoft lose money until the cost of producing their high end machines goes down.Not only that but they own the handheld market.the DS is seeling like hotcakes with no signs of slowing down.

[alkemical]

I went with the 360.

The integrated support from a Media Centre PC, is nice for managing your multimedia content @ home. MS just stated that windows vista users will be able to play against 360 systems online (with "like" games).

But, the Wii - is fun as hell. I'm just going with MS's online vision/content.

[alkemical]

Oh yeah for bluray/hddvd

What helped kill betamax, and whom is using HDDVD? The Porn industry.

[RhymesayersDU]

They always make money on their hardware whereas sony and microsoft lose money until the cost of producing their high end machines goes down.Not only that but they own the handheld market.the DS is seeling like hotcakes with no signs of slowing down.

Exactly. Sony is losing money currently, as producing the Blu-Ray and all the fancy equipment for the PS3 is very expensive. Of course, they'll re-coup the losses (we assume) down the road when it becomes cheaper/easier to make, but Nintendo makes a lot of money right out of the gate with their consoles.

[Garcia Bronco]

Is there a GT4 equvialent on the 360?

[scorpio]

Oh yeah for bluray/hddvd

What helped kill betamax, and whom is using HDDVD? The Porn industry.

Porn has largely moved into a digital medium, so porn on conventional media is not going to be the 800 lbs. gorilla it was in the 1980s.

Also, the Blu-Ray consortium has never said it will block porn from using their technology, as Sony did with Betamax.

[Drek]

They always make money on their hardware whereas sony and microsoft lose money until the cost of producing their high end machines goes down.Not only that but they own the handheld market.the DS is seeling like hotcakes with no signs of slowing down.

Yep, Nintendo refuses to take a hardware loss. Its why the Wii is much weaker hardware than the 360 and PS3 and its why it only costs $250.

The big kicker for Nintendo though, what kept them making money through the very small hardware margins they saw on N64 and GC, is that their software drives their hardware. Lots of people bought an Xbox for Halo, but a good number also bought it for Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive, and Morrowind. Lots of people bought PS2s for God of War and Gran Turismo, but even more bought it for Metal Gear and Final Fantasy.

When a gamer buys a Nintendo system its for Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. Thats why Nintendo consistantly sees each Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Paper Mario, Mario Party, etc. sell millions of copies.

While Sony and MS see more total games sold on their systems the vast majority of those are 3rd party content, so Sony and MS only see a royalty fee between $5 to $10 per 3rd party title. When a single iteration of GTA sells 15 million copies thats a lot of bank. But when Nintendo makes a Zelda or Mario game that will sell 6-8 million units a piece they're pocketing $35 of that $50 retail price.

So what would you rather have, 15M x $7 (an average) or 7M x $35? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the real money is being made, and thats why Sony and MS are both so hot and heavy for the next big thing for their own development stables.

Take Heavenly Sword for example, its made by a small developer who made Kung Fu Chaos for the original Xbox, an MS first party game that did poorly. Their new game, Heavenly Sword, looks pretty hot though and was originally a 360 title. Sony swooped in and dropped a ton of money in their lap to buy it up.

Or MS and Mistwalker. Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of Final Fantasy and one of the main forces behind Chrono Trigger, recently left Square Enix. He wasn't out the door three months before MS had given him an exclusive publishing deal where they not only publish his games, they full fund their development and directly hire support staff to augment the small Mistwalker team. MS is paying for THREE multi-million dollar titles from them, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and Cry On. Thats hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in one man's reputation.

But guess what? Its paying off. Blue Dragon was released bundled with X360s in Japan and within a four days they had sold 30,000 X360s and 80,000 copies of Blue Dragon total, thats more systems than MS had seen move in Japan the previous three or four months combined and the fastest selling Xbox game to date.

1st party games are the lynch pin for MS, Sony, and Nintendo. You need to deliver your own marketable content or you can't compete financially. Sony reportedly passed up exclusives on GTA4 and Assassin's Creed in favor of funding more internal projects. While passing up on major titles like that is questionable the drive for better 1st party IP production isn't. Its the single best way to make money in the industry and is why Nintendo, a mom and pop company compared to the giants of MS and Sony, is the one sitting on a $40M war chest.

Is there a GT4 equvialent on the 360?

Forza Motorsport, but a 360 version isn't officially announced yet. It'll happen, but it might not beat GT5 out to retail. Still could though, Polyphony Digital are very SLOW at getting games out, especially at the beginning of a generation.

[alkemical]

Porn has largely moved into a digital medium, so porn on conventional media is not going to be the 800 lbs. gorilla it was in the 1980s.

Also, the Blu-Ray consortium has never said it will block porn from using their technology, as Sony did with Betamax.

This is true - but it's till a billion dollar business that is world wide.

But it still doesn't address my earlier comment on vista/360's being able to game against each other.

[Drek]

I went with the 360.

The integrated support from a Media Centre PC, is nice for managing your multimedia content @ home. MS just stated that windows vista users will be able to play against 360 systems online (with "like" games).

But, the Wii - is fun as hell. I'm just going with MS's online vision/content.
For PC v. 360 gaming the PC gamer would need to buy an Xbox Live Gold subscription. How many PC gamers who are used to free gaming and can still play online free against other PC gamers will cough up $50 a year?

Not many, and those who do will just be looking to school console gamers thanks to the FPS and RTS superiority of KB/mouse control.

[scorpio]

This is true - but it's till a billion dollar business that is world wide.

But it still doesn't address my earlier comment on vista/360's being able to game against each other.

uhhh, what does that have to do with the HD-DVD/BluRay format war?

[alkemical]

For PC v. 360 gaming the PC gamer would need to buy an Xbox Live Gold subscription. How many PC gamers who are used to free gaming and can still play online free against other PC gamers will cough up $50 a year?

Not many, and those who do will just be looking to school console gamers thanks to the FPS and RTS superiority of KB/mouse control.

We shall see.

[SoDak Bronco]

Wow, Drek you have a freakish amount of gaming knowledge. REP

[alkemical]

uhhh, what does that have to do with the HD-DVD/BluRay format war?

See my post directly above the original post - but you still also neglected porn is a billion dollar business world wide - so at least you are consistant with cherry picking.

Mind you i don't care - i'm just a tech guy - so go be a fan boy if you must.

[scorpio]

See my post directly above the original post - but you still also neglected porn is a billion dollar business world wide - so at least you are consistant with cherry picking.

Mind you i don't care - i'm just a tech guy - so go be a fan boy if you must.

Wow, talk about cherry picking. Saying porn is a billion dollar industry while ignoring the fact that it has shifted away from physical media is supposed to prove... what?

also, I didn't state a preference for one format or the other, or for one console or the other, so I'm not sure where you get the "fanboy" from. I was responding to YOUR singular post which was based on misinformation. Your prior post still has nothing to do with HD-DVD/BluRay... Sony has committed to Blu Ray as a distribution medium but Microsoft still uses DVD. MS has even said they would offer a BluRay expansion drive for the 360 if the market goes that way.

But, I guess it's easier to resort to attacks than try to make logical arugments.

A for being a tech guy, you're the one who claims using a Virtual Machine to run multiple OS's is like "working a mainframe". Tech guy indeed.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Talk of gaming systems leads to .........



Porn of course.

[OABB]

I have actually bought both, and I can say without a doubt that the ps3 is the better choice. If you remember the 360 was pushed out too quick and many of them caught on fire(makes you lose confidence in microsoft). I, thinking myself smart, waited till the problem was fixed and bought one. I can not get through a single movie, or a single game without it freezing up on me. of course it started flipping out just after the warranty ended. It is a typical microsoft product and I hate that I wasted 600 dollars on it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There will be, Blu-Ray is currently running over HD-DVD in unit sales despite a later start. Sony owns Tristar, Columbia, and now most of MGM's catalog (including James Bond, the #1 selling DVD franchise of all time) along with their own Sony Pictures libraries, those aren't going anywhere but Blu-Ray. They also have strong ties with almost every major motion picture guaranteeing them blu-ray versions of pretty much all new major releases.

Toshiba and the rest of the HD-DVD crew has no such ties, they're just relying on partnerships to keep their format alive. Its not BetaMax/VHS because Blu-Ray is the better format and is going to win handily.
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Really? Have a link for that statement? Maybe you meant media instead of unit sales?

[Man-Goblin]

Got my 360 last year and couldn't be happier. Of course, NHL07 continues to ruin my life, but at least I'm happy.

[alkemical]

Wow, talk about cherry picking. Saying porn is a billion dollar industry while ignoring the fact that it has shifted away from physical media is supposed to prove... what?

also, I didn't state a preference for one format or the other, or for one console or the other, so I'm not sure where you get the "fanboy" from. I was responding to YOUR singular post which was based on misinformation. Your prior post still has nothing to do with HD-DVD/BluRay... Sony has committed to Blu Ray as a distribution medium but Microsoft still uses DVD. MS has even said they would offer a BluRay expansion drive for the 360 if the market goes that way.

But, I guess it's easier to resort to attacks than try to make logical arugments.

A for being a tech guy, you're the one who claims using a Virtual Machine to run multiple OS's is like "working a mainframe". Tech guy indeed.



Best way i could describe it - what am i going to do - outline my beowolf configuration and my setup for everyone? Doubt it - people would cry themselves to boredom - i just wanted to give everyone a very simplified setup as to an alternative on how one machine can run seperate OS's (Like TSO/MVS/Etc - can all be run off of one MF, or at least the ones i deal with - and i doubt people want to hear about microburst virtual networks, etc as well) at the same time - not to mention i don't use the VMware that you can download - it's a slightly different version - but thanks for again showing your shortsightedness.

now if the porn indus. is a billion dollar business and has embraced the HDDVD - that's a pretty big market - and the media will always sell - that's how it correlates. It's called supply/demand -

[Drek]

We shall see.

We will, but honestly, why do you want that? KB/M is a grossly superior control scheme for the most popular online games, it'll totally smash the way games are balanced.

Really? Have a link for that statement? Maybe you meant media instead of unit sales?

Media = retail units.

There is no debate that Blu-Ray has many more players in consumer homes, the PS3 alone has 10x the userbase of HD-DVD alone.

Wow, Drek you have a freakish amount of gaming knowledge. REP

Yeah, its my prize for spending 3 years as a computer sciences major just so I could make video games for a living. Thankfully I found geology much more appealing and changed paths before it was too late.

But as a result I'm pretty versed on the industry and keep in touch with a few poor SOBs who actually realized my dream. 70 hours a week on a game you know isn't very good is almost as disheartening to them as the paycheck they get for it.

[Willynowei]

Got my 360 last year and couldn't be happier. Of course, NHL07 continues to ruin my life, but at least I'm happy.

I sold my 360 a few months ago because of exactly that.

Gears of War was taking way too much time. I could sit there and laugh for all night when you get behind someone and saw their body in half. What they need to do is make Gears with the Nintendo remote. And then you can use a hacksaw and go through the motion of it all! :devil: :devil:

[alkemical]

We will, but honestly, why do you want that? KB/M is a grossly superior control scheme for the most popular online games, it'll totally smash the way games are balanced.



Media = retail units.

There is no debate that Blu-Ray has many more players in consumer homes, the PS3 alone has 10x the userbase of HD-DVD alone.



Yeah, its my prize for spending 3 years as a computer sciences major just so I could make video games for a living. Thankfully I found geology much more appealing and changed paths before it was too late.

But as a result I'm pretty versed on the industry and keep in touch with a few poor SOBs who actually realized my dream. 70 hours a week on a game you know isn't very good is almost as disheartening to them as the paycheck they get for it.



I dunno i hate using the keybaord and mouse to be honest, esp for need 4 speed/burnout, sports games, etc - FPS maybe - but i dunno once i got the hang of using the dual analogs for the xbox i was fine.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Media = retail units.
There is no debate that Blu-Ray has many more players in consumer homes, the PS3 alone has 10x the userbase of HD-DVD alone.
.

So you're counting sales of PS3's as Blu-ray sales? I guess that's the way Sony counts too. Make sure to read the blog for the story below. (http://www.betanews.com/article/Bluray_Disc_Sales_Surpass_HD_DVD/1172267610)

He noted that while sales are now basically even, HD DVD players still sport an attach rate than is five times higher than Blu-ray's. Furthermore, the #1 selling title across either format is Batman Begins, available only on HD DVD. The #2 title Superman Returns, while available in both formats, shows higher sales for HD DVD copies than the Blu-ray version, the HD DVD Promotional Group noted.

For the week of February 18, Blu-ray sold 100 units for every 98.71 units of HD DVD. That culminates a several week period where sales of the disc format began to catch up to HD DVD after nearly a year of slow sales.

[Willynowei]

Guys sorry to break it to you all, but even though HD-DVD is by far the better designed product, Blu-ray already won from heavier content and manufacturer support. Sux i know!

[Rigs11]

I game on PC, Xbox360, and the Wii. playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R right now on PC awesome game. When I get bored i'll hop on the Wii and play some zelda TP, gawd I love that game.Then i'll hop on the 360 and play some gears of war or my favorite 360 game=Dead Rising!Can't blieve i'm still married;D

[alkemical]

Guys sorry to break it to you all, but even though HD-DVD is by far the better designed product, Blu-ray already won from heavier content and manufacturer support. Sux i know!

Until solid state media is ready to take over....

[scorpio]

Best way i could describe it - what am i going to do - outline my beowolf configuration and my setup for everyone? Doubt it - people would cry themselves to boredom - i just wanted to give everyone a very simplified setup as to an alternative on how one machine can run seperate OS's (Like TSO/MVS/Etc - can all be run off of one MF, or at least the ones i deal with - and i doubt people want to hear about microburst virtual networks, etc as well) at the same time - -

No, you could have just used a less ridiculous analogy.


not to mention i don't use the VMware that you can download - it's a slightly different version - but thanks for again showing your shortsightedness. -

I didn't say you used VMWare at all anywhere in my post. Go take some more drugs, hippie.


now if the porn indus. is a billion dollar business and has embraced the HDDVD - that's a pretty big market - and the media will always sell - that's how it correlates. It's called supply/demand -

You implied that since the porn industry was the deciding factor in the death of Betamax, that it would be for BluRay too. I showed where your logic was faulty. It's called common sense.

[Finger Roll]

either ps3 or wii. I hate xbox because all they make are 1 rst person shooters which I can't stand. Wii is the most fun because because of the controls.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Does the PS3 have the Media PC funtionality that the 360 does? Movies, Streaming Music, Pics etc.?

The only time my wife ever really gives two sh*ts about the 360 is when we play her favorite MP3's and browse through the family album's on the big screen.

[alkemical]

No, you could have just used a less ridiculous analogy.



I didn't say you used VMWare at all anywhere in my post. Go take some more drugs, hippie.



You implied that since the porn industry was the deciding factor in the death of Betamax, that it would be for BluRay too. I showed where your logic was faulty. It's called common sense.

Yes i could have

I don't take drugs - but with the e-annoyance act - i can sue you for slander - (I won't be tensi'd) -

I was pointing out that with a multi-billion dollar industry supporting a format- the foothold is good for HDDVD -

Sheesh, go get laid or something -

[RkyMtnThunder]

So who bought the Xbox? A lot of PC gamers migrating to the console market. MS parlayed their PC gaming might into a console by carrying over the same titles PC gamers wanted to the system, Bioware, Bungie, etc..



That is exactly why I bought Xbox instead of PS when I decided to give consoles a try again.

But I really miss the quality of depth and strategy the RTS & RPG games for PC deliver.

When do you think games like those will be available on Xbox?

Of course all these type games use a mouse - but they did OK converting that on some of the RPGs like the Bioware stuff.

But yeah - I chose Xbox because it was closest to PC which I had played exclusively for years. And had hopes that if any console would push out quality RTS & RPGs games (perhaps even flight sims) - it would be Microsoft's.

[Drek]

So you're counting sales of PS3's as Blu-ray sales? I guess that's the way Sony counts too. Make sure to read the blog for the story below. (http://www.betanews.com/article/Bluray_Disc_Sales_Surpass_HD_DVD/1172267610)

So basically you're going to swallow HD-DVD spin hook, line, and sinker?

Batman Begins has had months to sell as have many other HD-DVDs before Blu-Ray even hit the market. Blu-Ray has now caught up to it and current blu-ray titles are outselling HD-DVD titles pretty solid. Check out Amazon's sales rankings, they're one of the largest movie retailers in the world and give a worthwhile insight into it.

Casino Royale for example is making a killing. And yes, PS3s do count as blu-ray players, as everyone who owns one is now likely to buy Blu-Ray discs instead of other media formats.

Guys sorry to break it to you all, but even though HD-DVD is by far the better designed product, Blu-ray already won from heavier content and manufacturer support. Sux i know!
What in hell makes you think that? Go read the white papers on both. They support pretty much all the same codecs and audio standards, while Blu-Ray discs are higher capacity, offer higher data transfer rates, are java capable and require anti-scratch coatings that resist a screw driver.

I know there's been a lot of propoganda and FUD spread on either side but Blu-Ray really is the better technology.

I dunno i hate using the keybaord and mouse to be honest, esp for need 4 speed/burnout, sports games, etc - FPS maybe - but i dunno once i got the hang of using the dual analogs for the xbox i was fine.

Well, you clearly don't play a lotof FPS or RTS. I agree, for sports, action, and racing games its a pretty weak control scheme. But all the most popular online games for PC are FPS and RTS games, or RPGs with controls built around KB/M, namely a KB to chat.

I just don't see many PC gamers wanting to pay to play against handicapped competition and I don't see many X360 gamers wanting to go play with PC gamers who have a gross advantage over them in the most popular online genres.

It doesn't make it any more or less fun, but I think it'll prove MS' cross platform play to be a novelty very few will care about.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So basically you're going to swallow HD-DVD spin hook, line, and sinker? I take it all in and then decide what I want. Right now I'll take the far cheaper of the two both in media and hardware.

I know there's been a lot of propoganda and FUD spread on either side but Blu-Ray really is the better technology.
.Possibly to you but many factors determine what will sell and what won't. Come this X-mas if Blu-ray hasn't made their players affordable HD-DVD will blow them away.

[alkemical]

Well, you clearly don't play a lotof FPS or RTS. I agree, for sports, action, and racing games its a pretty weak control scheme. But all the most popular online games for PC are FPS and RTS games, or RPGs with controls built around KB/M, namely a KB to chat.

I just don't see many PC gamers wanting to pay to play against handicapped competition and I don't see many X360 gamers wanting to go play with PC gamers who have a gross advantage over them in the most popular online genres.

It doesn't make it any more or less fun, but I think it'll prove MS' cross platform play to be a novelty very few will care about.

Again, we shall see......

[TheChamp24]

I take it all in and then decide what I want. Right now I'll take the far cheaper of the two both in media and hardware.
Possibly to you but many factors determine what will sell and what won't. Come this X-mas if Blu-ray hasn't made their players affordable HD-DVD will blow them away.

Not if there aren't enough HD-DVD's to buy, the actual movies per say. Like stated earlier, Sony has huge connections in the movie industry and a lot of movies will only come out for blu-ray. I honestly do not see how Sony can "lose" this format war with their connections, although I think HD-DVD will still be in production for awhile.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not if there aren't enough HD-DVD's to buy, the actual movies per say. Like stated earlier, Sony has huge connections in the movie industry and a lot of movies will only come out for blu-ray. I honestly do not see how Sony can "lose" this format war with their connections, although I think HD-DVD will still be in production for awhile.


Currently Available HD-DVD

12 Monkeys (Universal)
16 Blocks (Warner) <- COMBO
2 Fast 2 Furious (Universal)
Accepted (Universal) <- COMBO
Adventures of Robin Hood (Warner)
Aeon Flux (Paramount)
Alice Cooper: Live at Montreux 2005 (Eagle Rock)
American Werewolf in London (Universal) <- COMBO
Animal House (Universal) <- COMBO
Ant Bully (Warner) <- COMBO
Apollo 13 (Universal)
The Architect (Magnolia)
Army of Darkness (Universal) <- COMBO
Assault on Precinct 13 (Universal)
ATL (Warner) <- COMBO
Batman Begins (Warner)
Backdraft (Universal)
Barry Manilow: Manilow Live! (Image)
Beerfest (Warner)
Best of Get Out! Vol. 1 (HDNet)
Best of Get Out! Vol. 2 (HDNet)
Best of HDNet World Report Vol. 1 (HDNet)
Best of HDNet World Report Vol. 2 (HDNet)
Bikini Destinations: Hawaii (HDNet)
Bikini Destinations: Lake Tahoe (HDNet)
Bikini Destinations: Mexico (HDNet)
Black Rain (Paramount)
Blazing Saddles (Warner)
Bone Collector (Universal)
Bourne Supremacy (Universal)
Breakfast Club (Universal) <- COMBO
The Breakup (Universal) <- COMBO
Brokeback Mountain (Universal) <- COMBO
Caddyshack (Warner)
Casablanca (Warner)
Casino (Universal)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire: Live at the Greek (Image)
Cinderella Man (Universal)
Christmas Story (Warner)
Christmas Vacation, National Lampoon's (Warner)
Chronicles of Riddick (Universal)
Clerks 2 (Weinstein Co.)
Constantine (Warner)
Corpse Bride, Tim Burton's (Warner)
Cream - Live at the Royal Albert Hall (Rhino)
Dazed and Confused (Universal) <- COMBO
Deer Hunter (Universal)
Derailed (Weinstein Co.)
Dirty Dozen (Warner)
Discovery Atlas: Australia Revealed (Image)
Discovery Atlas: Brazil Revealed (Image)
Discovery Atlas: China Revealed (Image)
Discovery Atlas: Italy Revealed (Image)
Doom (Universal)
Dune (Universal)
Dukes of Hazzard (Warner)
The Eagles - Live In Melbourne (Rhino)
End of Days (Universal)
Enter the Dragon (Warner)
Excalibur (Warner)
The Fast and the Furious (Universal)
Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Universal) <-COMBO
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (Universal)
Fearless, Jet Li's (Universal) <- COMBO
Field of Dreams (Universal) <- COMBO
Firewall (Warner) <- COMBO
Forbidden Planet (Warner)
Forbidden Planet: Ultimate Collector's Edition (Warner)
Four Brothers (Paramount)
Friday Night Lights (Universal)
The Fugitive (Warner)
Full Metal Jacket (Warner)
Good Night, and Good Luck (Warner) <- COMBO
Goodfellas (Warner)
Grand Prix (Warner)
Guitarscape Planet (Concert Hot Spot)
Half Baked (Universal) <- COMBO
Harlem Globetrotters - A Gift for the Troops (HDNet)
Happy Gilmore (Universal)
HDScape Exotic Saltwater Aquarium (DVD Intl.) <- COMBO
Heart: Alive in Seattle (Image)
House of Wax (Warner)
How the Grinch Stole Christmas (Universal) <- COMBO
Hulk (Universal)
Interpreter (Universal)
Italian Job (Paramount)
James Taylor: A MusiCares Person of the Year Tribute (Rhino)
Jarhead (Universal)
King Kong (Universal)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Warner) <- COMBO
Lady in the Water (Warner) <- COMBO
Lakehouse (Warner) <- COMBO
Land of the Dead, George A. Romero's (Universal) <- COMBO
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (Paramount)
Last Samurai (Warner)
Lethal Weapon (Warner)
Lethal Weapon 2 (Warner)
Lucky # Slevin (Weinstein Co.)
Matador (Weinstein Co.)
Miami Vice (Universal) <- COMBO
The Manchurian Canidate (Paramount)
Meet the Parents (Universal)
Million Dollar Baby (Warner)
Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Paramount)
The Mummy (Universal)
The Mummy Returns (Universal)
Mutiny on the Bounty (Warner)
Nacho Libre (Paramount)
The New Orleans Concert (Concert Hot Spot) <- COMBO
One Six Right (Terwilliger)
Out of Sight (Universal)
The Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up (Eagle Rock)
Perfect Storm (Warner)
Phantom of the Opera (Warner)
Pitch Black (Universal)
The Polar Express (Warner)
Poseidon (Warner) <- COMBO
Pulse (Weinstein Co.)
Ray (Universal)
Red Dragon (Universal)
Reds (Paramount)
Rumor Has It (Warner) <- COMBO
Rundown (Universal)
Sahara (Paramount)
Scary Movie 4 (Weinstein Co.)
Scooby-Doo (Warner)
Scorpion King (Universal) <- COMBO
Seabiscuit (Universal)
The Searchers (Warner)
Serenity (Universal)
Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow (Paramount)
Sleepy Hollow (Paramount)
Slither (Universal) <- COMBO
Smallville - Fifth Season (Warner)
Sopranos: Season Six, Part 1 (HBO)
Space Cowboys (Warner)
Spartacus (Universal)
Spy Game (Universal)
Stained Glass Window: With Heavenly Carols (Concert Hot Spot) <- COMBO
The Sting (Universal)
Superman (Warner)
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut (Warner)
Superman Returns (Warner) <- COMBO
Swordfish (Warner)
Syriana (Warner)
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (Warner)
The Thing (Universal)
Tokyo Drift, The Fast and the Furious (Universal) <- COMBO
Toto - 25th Anniversary: Live In Amsterdam (Eagle Rock)
Traffic (Universal)
Training Day (Warner)
Troy (Warner)
U-571 (Universal)
U2: Rattle and Hum (Paramount)
Under Siege (Warner)
Unforgiven (Warner)
Unleashed (Universal) <- COMBO
V for Vendetta (Warner)
Van Helsing (Universal)
View From Space With Heavenly Music (Concert Hot Spot)
Waist Deep (Universal) <- COMBO
Waterworld (Universal)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)
Wicker Man (Warner)
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
Wolf Creek (Weinstein Co.)
World Extreme Cagefighting: Halloween Fury 1 (HDNet)
World Extreme Cagefighting: Unfinished Business 2 (HDNet)
World Trade Center (Paramount)
You, Me, and Dupree (Universal) <- COMBO

TOTAL: 172


UPCOMING

2/6/2007
Hollywoodland (Universal) <- COMBO

2/13/2007
The Departed (Warner) <- COMBO
The World's Fastest Indian (Magnolia)

2/20/2007
Babel (Paramount)

2/27/2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (Warner)
Nature's Colors (Concert Hot Spot)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You In Time (Interscope)

3/27/2007
Children of Men (Universal) <- COMBO
Happy Feet (Warner) <- COMBO
March of the Penguins (Warner)
Relentless Enemies (National Geographic/Warner)

4/3/2007
The Good Shepherd (Universal) <- COMBO

4/10/2007
Dog Day Afternoon (Warner)
Payback: Straight Up (Paramount)
A Scanner Darkly (Warner)

4/17/2007
Feast (Weinstein Co.)
Failure To Launch (Paramount)
The Game (Universal)
The Jerk (Universal)
School for Scoundrels (Weinstein Co.)
Smokin' Aces (Universal) <- COMBO

4/24/2007
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Universal)
Failure To Launch (Paramount)
The Nutty Professor (Universal)
Planet Earth (BBC Video/Warner)

5/1/1007
Alpha Dog (Universal) <- COMBO
Dreamgirls (Dreamworks)
The Hitcher (Universal) <- COMBO

5/8/07
Battle of the Bulge (Warner)
Road Warrior (Warner)

5/15/2007
Black Christmas (Weinstein Co.)
The Fountain (Warner) <- COMBO
Harsh Times (Weinstein Co.)

5/22/07
40-Year Old Virgin (Universal)
Complete Matrix Trilogy (Warner)
Flags of our Fathers (Dreamworks)
Freedom Writers (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible 2 (Paramount)
The Skeleton Key (Universal)
Smokey and the Bandit (Universal)
Ultimate Matrix Collection (Warner)

5/29/07
The Big Lebowski (Universal)
Dragonheart (Universal)
The Frighteners (Universal)
Lost In Translation (Universal)
Midnight Run (Universal)
The River (Universal)

6/5/07
Coming to America (Paramount)
Trading Places (Paramount)

6/12/07
Born on the Fourth of July (Universal)
Bruce Almighty (Universal)
Daylight (Universal)
Liar Liar (Universal)
Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (Universal)
Sneakers (Universal)

6/26/07
American Me (Universal)
Being John Malkovich (Universal)
Bulletproof (Universal)
Hustle & Flow (Paramount)
Mallrats (Universal)
Meet Joe Black (Universal)
Mystery Men (Universal)
The Watcher (Universal)

7/3/07
The Untouchables (Paramount)
The Warriors (Paramount)

Universal - 29.98 Catalog, 34.98 COMBO Catalog, 39.98 COMBO New Release
Warner - 28.99 Catalog, 34.99 New Release, 39.99 COMBO New Release
Paramount - 29.98 List
Concert Hot Spot - 29.98 List
BCI - 24.98 List
HDNet - 14.95 List (only available on hd.net)
HBO - 129.95 Season Release
Eagle Rock Entertainment - 24.98 List
Image Entertainment - 24.99 List
DVD Intl. - 29.95 List

[Willynowei]

What in hell makes you think that? Go read the white papers on both. They support pretty much all the same codecs and audio standards, while Blu-Ray discs are higher capacity, offer higher data transfer rates, are java capable and require anti-scratch coatings that resist a screw driver.

I know there's been a lot of propoganda and FUD spread on either side but Blu-Ray really is the better technology.

I think you misinterpreted the quote. I said better designed product, not more cutting edge.

HD-DVD has a down to earth design, that goes from the lower max capacity to transfer rates and right on down to lack of progressive scan support on lower end models. Blu-ray is full of bullet point fodder for marketing, its over crammed and overpriced.

[Willynowei]

Not if there aren't enough HD-DVD's to buy, the actual movies per say. Like stated earlier, Sony has huge connections in the movie industry and a lot of movies will only come out for blu-ray. I honestly do not see how Sony can "lose" this format war with their connections, although I think HD-DVD will still be in production for awhile.

Sony had plenty of connections when they tried to push Betamax too. And minidisc...

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Blue= Blu-ray title not announced on HD DVD
Orange= HD DVD title announced elsewhere on Blu-ray
Green= Blu-ray title announced elsewhere on HD DVD

St: studio (D=Disney, F= Fox, L=Lionsgate, M=MGM, P= Paramount, S= Sony, U= Universal, W=Warner, O=Other)

DT: disk type (DL=dual layer, SL: single layer, CO: combo)

VC: video codec (V=VC-1, M=MPEG-2, A=AVC)

PQ: picture quality rating, taken as the average of the rates given by DVD Town and dvdtalk

Audio: DD+= Dolby Digital+, DTHD=Dolby TrueHD, PCM= uncompressed LPCM, DTSHD= DTS-HD



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04/18 Last Samurai W DL V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Phantom of the Opera W DL V 9 DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
Serenity U DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
04/20 Million Dollar Baby W DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 28.95
04/25 Apollo 13 U DL V 7.5 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Doom U DL V 7.5 DD+ EFS N 29.98
05/02 Goodfellas W DL V 7 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Swordfish W DL V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 28.95
05/09 Assault on Precinct 13 U DL V 7 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.98
Cinderella Man U DL V 7 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Jarhead U DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Rumor Has It W SC V 8 DD+ EFS N 39.95
Training Day W DL V 8.5 DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
05/16 Full Metal Jacket W DL V 6 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Unforgiven W DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 28.95
05/23 Blazing Saddles W DL V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Bourne Supremacy U DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Chronicles of Riddick U DL V 8 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.98
Fugitive, The W DL V 6.5 DD+ EFS N 28.95
U-571 U DL V 8 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.98
Van Helsing U DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
06/06 Constantine W DL V 8.5 DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
Firewall W SC V 8 DD+ EFS N 39.95
Perfect Storm W DL V 7.5 DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
View from Space... O SL M 3 DD+ none N 29.98
06/13 16 Blocks W SC V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 39.95
Happy Gilmore U DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Rundown U DL V 9 DD+ EFS N 29.98
06/20 50 First Dates S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
The Fifth Element S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Hitch S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
House of Flying Daggers S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang W SC V 8 DD+ EFS N 39.95
Syriana W DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 34.95
Terminator M SL M 6 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Underworld: Evolution S SL M 8 PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
xXx S SL M 6 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
06/27 Crash L SL M 7 DTS/DD ES N 39.99
Guitarscape Planet O SL M DD+ none N 29.98
Lethal Weapon W DL V 7 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Lord of War L SL M 8 DTS/DD ES N 39.99
The Punisher L SL M 8 DTS/DD ES N 29.99
Saw L SL M 7 DTS/DD ES N 29.99
Terminator 2 L SL M 7 DTS/DD ES N 29.99
Ultraviolet S SL M 7 PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
07/04 Best of GetOut! Vol. 1 O M N 14.95
Best of GetOut! Vol. 2 O M N 14.95
Best of HD W. Rep. Vol. 1 O M N 14.95
Best of HD W. Rep. Vol. 2 O M N 14.95
07/11 Basic Instinct 2 S SL M 6 PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
Dukes of Hazzard W DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Enter the Dragon W DL V 8 DD+ EFS N 28.95
Friday Night Lights U DL V 7 DD+ EFS N 29.98
Pitch Black U DL V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 29.98
07/18 ATL, The W SC V 8.5 DD+ EFS N 39.95
Guitarscape Planet O SL M 7 DD+ none N 29.98
View from Space... O SL M 5 DD none N 29.98
07/25 Benchwarmers S SL M 6.5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider P DL V 6 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Last Waltz M SL M 7.5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Sahara P DL V 9 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Sky Captain & the World P DL V 7 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Sleepy Hollow P DL V 7.5 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Species M SL M 6.5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Stealth S SL M 8.5 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
08/01 Four Brothers P DL V 9 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Good Night, and Good Luck W SL M DD EFS N 28.95
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang W SL M 8 DD EFS N 34.95
Manchurian Candidate P DL V 8 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Rumor Has It W SL M 7 DD EFS N 34.95
Training Day W SL M 8 DD EFS N 28.95
We Were Soldiers P DL V 7.5 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
08/08 Aeon Flux P DL V 10 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Italian Job P DL V 7.5 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
U2: Rattle and Hum P DL A 3.5 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
08/15 Animal House U SC V 8 DD+ EFS N 34.98
Into the Blue S SL M 7 PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Memento S SL M 7.5 PCM/DD E N 28.95
Ray U DL V 9 DD+ EFS N 29.98
RV S SL M 7 PCM/DD EF N 38.95
Unleashed U SC V 8 DD+ EFS N 29.98
08/22 Bone Collector U DL V 7 DD+/DTS EFS N 29.98
Caddyshack W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Good Night and Good Luck W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Searchers W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Silent Hill S SL M PCM/DD E N 29.98
Spy Game U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
08/29 Devil's Rejects L SL M DTSHD/DD ES N 29.99
Stargate L SL M DTSHD/DD ES N 29.99
Stir of Echoes L SL M DTSHD/DD ES N 29.99
Total Recall L SL M DTSHD/DD ES N 29.99
09/05 Blazing Saddles W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Firewall W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Full Metal Jacket W SL M DD EFS N 28.95
Lethal Weapon W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
09/12 House of Wax (2005) W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
Lethal Weapon 2 W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
Red Dragon U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Seabiscuit U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Space Cowboys W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Traffic U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Troy W DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
09/19 Backdraft U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Big Hit S SL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Dinosaur D SL M PCM/DTS EFS N 34.99
Eight Below D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Fear & Loathing in Vegas U DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 29.98
Great Raid D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Jay & Silent Bob Strike B D SL M PCM/DD EF N 34.99
Knight's Tale S SL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
S.W.A.T. S SL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
Tears of the Sun S SL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 28.95
09/26 2 Fast 2 Furious U DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 29.98
Adventures of Robin Hood W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Corpse Bride W SL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Dazed and Confused U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Dirty Dozen W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
End of Days U DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 29.98
Fast & the Furious U DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 29.98
F & F: Tokyo Drift U DC V DD/DD+ EFS N 29.98
Four Brothers P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Fugitive W SL M DD EFS N 28.95
Grand Prix W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
House of Wax (2005) W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Lake House W SL V DD+ EFS N 34.99
Lake House W SC V DD+ EFS N 39.99
Land of the Dead U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Lethal Weapon 2 W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
New Orleans Concert O DD+ N 34.99
New Orleans Concert O DD+ N 34.99
Sky Captain & the World P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Sleepy Hollow P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Space Cowboys W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Swordfish W SL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Terminator 3 W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
10/03 John Legend House Blues O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Pat Metheny Group: Way Up O PCM/DD+ N 24.98
Pat Metheny Group: Way Up O PCM/DTS N 24.98</pre>

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Color coding:
Red= HD DVD title not announced on Blu-ray
Blue= Blu-ray title not announced on HD DVD
Orange= HD DVD title announced elsewhere on Blu-ray
Green= Blu-ray title announced elsewhere on HD DVD

St: studio (D=Disney, F= Fox, L=Lionsgate, M=MGM, P= Paramount, S= Sony, U= Universal, W=Warner, O=Other)

DT: disk type (DL=dual layer, SL: single layer, CO: combo)

VC: video codec (V=VC-1, M=MPEG-2, A=AVC)

PQ: picture quality rating, taken as the average of the rates given by DVD Town and dvdtalk

Audio: DD+= Dolby Digital+, DTHD=Dolby TrueHD, PCM= uncompressed LPCM, DTSHD= DTS-HD



10/10 16 Blocks W SL V DD EFS N 34.95
Aeon Flux P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Army of Darkness U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Batman Begins W DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
Bikini Dest.: Triple F. O SL M DTS/DD ES N 26.98
Bubble O SL M DTS/DD ES N 29.98
Charlie & Chocolate Fact W DL V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 28.95
Click S DL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
Corpse Bride W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Enron: the Smartest Guys O SL M DTS/DD ES N 29.98
Fast Times at Ridgemont U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
HDNet: Shuttle Discovery O SL M DTS/DD ES N 26.98
One Last Thing O SL M DTS/DD ES N 29.98
Polar Express W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Sahara P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Syriana W SL V DD EFS N 34.95
U2: Rattle and Hum P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Waist Deep U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
War Within O SL M DTS/DD ES N 29.98
Willy Wonka & Chocolate F W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
10/17 Break-Up U DC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Brothers Grimm D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Dark Water D SL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Glory Road D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Gone in 60 Seconds D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Haunted Mansion D SL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
WE Cagefighting: UB2 O 29.95
10/24 12 Monkeys U DL V DD+ EFS N 28.98
Italian Job P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Interpreter U DL A DD+/DTS EFS N 28.98
Legends of Jazz Showcase O SL M DTHD/PCM/DD N 34.98
Monster House S SL M PCM/DD EFS+ N 38.95
Out of Sight U DL V DD+ EFS N 28.98
Sahara P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Slither U SC V DD+/DTS EFS N 39.98
Spartacus U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Thing, The U DL V DD+ EFS N 28.98
10/31 Alice Cooper at Montreux O SL M PCM/DTS/DD N 24.95
Excalibur W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Mission: Impossible III P 2DL V DD+ EFS N 29.99
Mission: Impossible III P 2SL M DD+ EFS N 29.99
Mission: Impossible Coll. P 6DL V DD+ EFS N 99.99
Mission: Impossible Coll. P 6SL M DD+ EFS N 99.99
One Six Right O SL M DD+ N 24.95
Phantom of the Opera W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Searchers W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
Under Siege W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Under Siege W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Unforgiven W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
V for Vendetta W DL V DTHD/DD N 28.95
11/07 Little Man S SL M PCM/DD EF N 38.95
Nacho Libre P DL V DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Nacho Libre P SL M DTS/DD EFS N 29.95
Reds P 2DL V DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
Reds P 2SL M DD+/DTS EFS N 29.95
11/14 Accepted U DC V DD+ EFS N 39.98
ATL W SL V DD EFS N 34.95
Behind Enemy Lines F SL A DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Black Hawk Down S DL M PCM/DD E N 28.95
Casablanca W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Cream: Royal Albert Hall O DTS N 29.99
Fantastic Four F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Eagles: Farewell Tour 1 O PCM/DTS N 29.99
Forbidden Planet W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.99
James Taylor: Musicares O PCM 19.99
Kingdom of Heaven DC F DL M DTMA/DD EFS N 39.98
King Kong U DL V DD+ EFS N 39.98
Kiss of the Dragon F SL M DTMA/DD EFS N 39.98
Last Samurai W V DD EFS N 28.95
League of Extraordinary G F SL M DTMA/DD EFS N 39.98
Million Dollar Baby W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Mutiny on the Bounty W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Omen (666) F SL M DTMA/DD EFS N 39.98
Speed F SL A DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Stained Glass Christmas O 29.98
Transporter F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Waterworld U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
X-Men: The Last Stand F SL A DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
11/21 Annapolis D SL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Black Crowes Freak & Roll O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Elvis Costello in Memphis O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Enemy of the State D DL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Goal!: The Dream Begins D SL PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
How the Grinch Stole Xmas U CO V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Ice Age: The Meltdown F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Sky High D SL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Toto in Amsterdam O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Wild, The D SL A PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
You, Me and Dupree U SC V DD+ EFS N 39.98
11/28 American Werewolf in Lon. U SC V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Ant Bully W DC V DD+ EFS N 39.99
Ant Bully W DD 34.99
Bikini Dest. Hawaii O 29.95
Bikini Dest. Tahoe O 29.95
Bikini Dest. Mexico O 29.95
Dune U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Exotic Saltwater Aquarium O 29.95
Harlem Globetrotters O 29.95
Meet the Parents U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Mummy (1999) U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Smallville: Fifth Season W 5DL V DD+ FS N 79.98
Superman: The Movie W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Superman: The Movie W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
Superman II: Donner Cut W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Superman II: Donner Cut W DL V DD EFS N 28.95
Superman Returns W DC V DTHD/DD+ EFS N 39.99
Superman Returns W DL V DD EFS N 34.99
WE Cagefighting: HF 1 O 29.95
Windtalkers M SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
12/05 Architect O DL N 34.98
Architect O N 34.98
Bulletproof Monk M SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Christmas Story W DL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Christmas Story W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Chronos O DL M DTMA/DD+ N 24.99
Flight of the Phoenix F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Miami Vice U DC V DD+ EFS N 39.98
Nat. Lampoon's Xmas Vac W SL V DD+ EFS N 28.95
Nat. Lampoon's Xmas Vac W SL V DD EFS N 28.95
Rising Sun F SL A DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Rocky M SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
12/12 Chicago/Earth Wind & Fire O DD+ J N 24.99
Devil Wears Prada F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98
Field of Dreams U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Heart: Alive in Seattle O DTHD/DD+ J N 24.99
Hulk U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Kung Fu Hustle S SL M PCM/DD EF N 28.95
Manilow Live! O DTHD/DD+ J N 24.99
Talladega Nights (U) S DL M PCM/DD EF N 38.95
Tony Bennett:American Cl. S 29.95
World Trade Center P 2DL V DD+ EFS N 39.95
World Trade Center P 2DL M DD EFS N 39.95
12/19 All the King's Men S SL M PCM/DD EF N 38.95
Casino U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Derailed O DL A DD+ ES N 29.95
Flightplan D DL V PCM/DD ES N 34.99
Invincible D DL* M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Jet Li's Fearless U CO DD+ EFS N 39.98
Lady in the Water W CO V DD+ EFS N 39.99
Lady in the Water W SL V DD EFS N 39.99
Matador O DL A DD+ ES N 29.95
Pearl Harbor D DL M PCM/DD EFS N 34.99
Scary Movie 4 O DL A DD+ ES N 29.95
Scorpion King U CO V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Sopranos Season 6 Part 1 W 4DL V DD+ EFS N 129.98
Sopranos Season 6 Part 1 W 4DL V PCM/DD EFS N 129.98
Wolf Creek O DL A DD+ EFS N 29.95
12/26 Breakfast Club U CO V DD+ EFS N 34.98
Deer Hunter U DL V DD+ EFS N 29.98
Descent L DL M PCM/DD ES N 39.99
Transporter 2 F SL M DTMA/DD ES N 39.98 </pre>

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Release Dates Pending (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/)

<cite> The following titles are planned for release in the HD DVD format (as indicated by press release or previous public statements made by the distributor), but release dates have not been announced: </cite>
2001: A Space Odyssey (Warner)
Above the Law (Warner)
American Pie (Universal)
American Pie (Unrated) (Universal)
American Pie Presents: A Naked Mile (Universal)
Angels in America (HBO)
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line)
The Aviator (Universal)
Awake (Weinstein)
Band of Brothers (HBO)
Battlestar Galactica: The Complete First Season (Universal)
Bikini Destinations (Magnolia)
Billy Madison (Universal)
The Black Dahlia (Universal)
Blade (New Line)
Blade Runner (Warner)
Blood Diamond (Warner)
The Blues Brothers (Universal)
The Bourne Identity (Universal)
Braveheart (Paramount)
Breaking and Entering (Weinstein)
Bubble (Magnolia)
Catwoman (Warner)
A Clockwork Orange (Warner)
Coach Carter (Paramount)
Conan the Barbarian (Universal)
Contact (Warner)
Dante's Peak (Universal)
Dante's Peak (Universal)
Dark City (New Line)
Darkman (Universal)
Dawn of the Dead (2003) (Universal)
Deadwood: Season One (HBO)
Decameron (Weinstein)
Deep Purple: They All Came Down to Montreux (Rhino)
Deliver Us from Eva (Universal)
The Dirty Harry Collection (Warner)
Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat (2003) (Universal)
Dragon's Lair (Digital Leisure)
Elizabethtown (Warner)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room (Magnolia)
Eraser (Warner)
Executive Decision (Warner)
Eyes Wide Shut (Warner)
Final Destination (New Line)
Forrest Gump (Paramount)
Friday (New Line)
Friends: Season One (Warner)
From the Earth to the Moon (HBO)
Ghost (Paramount)
Gothika (Warner)
Grease (Paramount)
The Green Mile (Warner)
Grind House (Weinstein)
Hard to Kill (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/harrypotterandthegobletoffire.html) (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Warner)
HDScape: Antarctica Dreaming (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_antarcticadreaming.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: Fireplace - Visions of Tranquility (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_fireplace.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: HD DVD Sampler (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_hddvdsampler.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: HDWindow - Hawaii (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_hdwindowhawaii.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: HDWindow - The Great Southwest (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_hdwindowngreatsouthwest.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: Serenity - Southern Seas (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_serenity.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: Stargaze II (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_stargazeii.html) (DVD International)
HDScape: Visions of the Sea (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/hdscape_visionsofthesea.html) (DVD International)
Idlewind (Universal)
In Good Company (Universal)
Inside Man (Universal)
Killshot (Weinstein)
Last Legion (Weinstein)
The Lemon Drop Kid (Universal)
The Libertine (Weinstein)
The Maltese Falcon (Warner)
The Mask (New Line)
Maverick (Warner)
Mrs. Henderson Presents (Weinstein)
The Music Man (Warner)
Mystic River (Warner)
Next of Kin (Warner)
North by Northwest (Warner)
The Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps (Universal)
Ocean's Eleven (Warner)
Ocean's Twelve (Warner)
Passenger 57 (Warner)
The Player (New Line)
Pride & Prejudic3 (Universal)
Psycho (1960) (Universal)
Red Planet (Warner)
The Return (Universal)
Rush Hour (New Line)
Santana: Hymns for Peace (Rhino)
Save the Last Dance (Paramount)
Scarface (1983) (Universal)
Scent of a Woman (Universal)
School of Rock (Paramount)
Scoop (Universal)
Se7en (New Line)
Sea of Love (Universal)
Shaun of the Dead (Universal)
The Shining (1980) (Warner)
Shuttle Discovery's Historic Mission (Magnolia)
Sin City 2 (Weinstein)
Soldier (Weinstein)
Son of Paleface (Paramount)
Spawn (New Line)
Spongebob Squarepants: The Movie (Paramount)
Star Trek: First Contact (Paramount)
Star Trek: The Original Series (Paramount)
Streets of Fire (Universal)
TransAmerica (Weinstein)
Twister (Weinstein)
U.S. Marshals (Warner)
The Ultimate Star Trek Collection (Paramount)
Vanilla Sky (Paramount)
Vengeance of the Zombies (BCI)
The War (Universal)
The War Within (Magnolia)
We Are Marshall (Warner)
The Wedding Date (Universal)
Wild Wild West (Warner)
Yes: Live at Montreux (Rhino)
Young Hannibal (Weinstein)
Zach Test Destroy After 3-24-2007 (Universal)