Bly signs long term

[Crushisback]

5 years 33 mil.

No link just hear it on espn news.

[Stormontheplains]

HEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Good Job Mike and FO, once again you guys are the best.

[Sodak]

Wow. I thought he would hold out, or play like a man after a contract next year.

Good deal.

[plummershelper]

If this is true, we've really loaded up the d backfield, and allocated a ton of money there. Hopefully that doesn't prohibit us from signing a decent dline. Need a link, but I hope it's true.

[Falconer]

5 years 33 mil.

No link just hear it on espn news.

I think this is good news! Now we have good depth at the cb position for the foreseeable future. It also means we can concentrate on DL and S in the draft.

[plummershelper]

POSTED 3:10 p.m. EDT, March 28, 2007
BLY GETS IN BED WITH BRONCOS
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Denver Broncos have signed cornerback Dre' Bly to a five-year, $33 million contract. The deal includes $16 million in guaranteed money.
After Bly was traded from the Lions to the Broncos, he indicated a preference to play for the Redskins. His agent thereafter tried to take the sting out of those remarks. At the time, we thought that the agent realized that such lip-flapping from Bly could make another trade unlikely.
Since then, however, player and team have gotten on the same page.
Bly was traded by the Lions because he did not fit within the team's Tampa 2 defense, which primarily requires cornerbacks to cover short zones and provide strong support against the run. The Broncos had a clear need for another starting-caliber cornerback after the death of Darrent Williams on January 1.
The contract that the Broncos acquired via the trade had one year remaining, at $4.2 million. Thus, Bly ends up with $28.8 million in "new money" in a package that is worth a total average of $6.6 million per year.
With Bly's deal and the seven-year, $64 million contract signed by Nate Clements earlier this month, the Broncos might want to give some thought to adjusting the paycheck of Champ Bailey, who is signed through 2010 at salaries of $720,000, $7.5 million, $6.5 million, and $9.5 million. He received an $18 million signing bonus in 2004, and he is widely regarded as one of the premier defensive players in the game.


From PFT!!!

[BigPlayShay]

F Yeah.

[FantomForce]

Ok we find a two people to back up our safties and our DB's are solid

[plummershelper]

Check out nfl homepage. Schefter reports it but link not up yet

[Barry Ramey]

I think it's great news. CB is not a worry spot at all and won't be for awhile with Champ, Bly, Foxworth, and Paymah. Maybe they'll keep a 5th CB, but will have to be someone who plays SP of course. Now the DL needs to be looked at and Al Wilson and Shanahan need to have a talk.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

Hell Yeah

[eddie mac]

He certainly wont be traded now.:giggle:

[55CrushEm]

WOOOHOOOOO !!!!!

:militia: :charge:

[jsco70]

How much does Denver have to pay Champ? He seems like a team first guy so hopefully he won't be offended by Bly's deal.

[Kaylore]

Yet another instance where a pelvic thrust smilie would be ideal.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Just keep Al in the fold and draft D Line like crazy... I CANNOT WAIT to see Dre and Champ in the same backfield along with Lynchy and Ferguson.

[Crushisback]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2816020

[listopencil]

Now go get some D-Line help in the draft.

[eddie mac]

Champ readjusted his contract so we could land the likes of Bly. I dont see him being the type to knock down Shanny's door looking for a raise.

[Orange_Beard]

Wow. This is great.

[Kaylore]

Champ readjusted his contract so we could land the likes of Bly. I dont see him being the type to knock down Shanny's door looking for a raise.

He'll get one next year anyway.

[CBF1]

Sweet signing. I was never on the trade Bly bandwagon. Great addition and should solidify the DB situation. DE, S, DT, DE in the draft now :)

[Jens1893]

http://www.gosimpsons.com/ProdImages/BurnsExcellentSticker.jpg

[Atwater His Ass]

Awesome.

[Dendave]

great news

[55CrushEm]

To be honest, a $33M contract doesn't sound like much for a top CB......I'm a little surprised that is all it took to sign him.

Makes me wonder what Washington was offering him for a long term deal.

[BroncoBuff]

This is VERY good news ...

Now let's get Willis or Carriker.

And 55 .... this sounds a lot like the deal I recall the Redskins were dangling, from what I recall. The only remaining question I have is - is he happy now? Or does he want to move closer to home still?

[bronco militia]

To be honest, a $33M contract doesn't sound like much for a top CB......I'm a little surprised that is all it took to sign him.

Makes me wonder what Washington was offering him for a long term deal.


bahh, I'm more interested in what the Redskins were willing to trade Detroit.....IMO, the Broncos raped the Lions by unloading tatum Tinker Bell and 1st round bust G. Foster

[Dendave]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Wednesday, March 28

Ending weeks of speculation about whether he could be traded for a second time this offseason, Denver cornerback Dre' Bly reached an agreement in principle with the Broncos on a five-year, $33 million deal that includes $16 million in guaranteed money. Bly is expected to report to the Broncos' offseason training program Monday in Denver, whereas there previously had been questions about whether he would be there. But in the past 24 hours, contract talks between Bly and the Broncos escalated to the point where an agreement was struck Wednesday morning. Other teams such as the New Orleans Saints that thought they could perhaps pry loose Bry from Denver now will have to focus on other cornerbacks to help their teams.

[Jens1893]

To be honest, a $33M contract doesn't sound like much for a top CB......I'm a little surprised that is all it took to sign him.

Makes me wonder what Washington was offering him for a long term deal.

Total money doesn´t matter ... guaranteed money is where it´s at ... and $16m is quite a bit.

[55CrushEm]

Total money doesn´t matter ... guaranteed money is where it´s at ... and $16m is quite a bit.

Yes, indeed.....my bad.

[55CrushEm]

Total money doesn´t matter ... guaranteed money is where it´s at ... and $16m is quite a bit.

According to one take that I read.....they seem to think this is too much for a 30 yr. old CB.....perhaps right.

Keep in mind Champ only got 18M guaranteed (2 million more than Bly).....but Champ was only 25 at the time he signed his deal.

Too much ?

[Kaylore]

According to one take that I read.....they seem to think this is too much for a 30 yr. old CB.....perhaps right.

Keep in mind Champ only got 18M guaranteed (2 million more than Bly).....but Champ was only 25 at the time he signed his deal.

Too much ?

Nope. First of all, he's 29. Second Champ made 2 million more three years ago. Adjusted for inflation, that's actually a huge contract. You pay more in free agency but we'll get three or four good years out of Bly as a number 2 corner.

[HEAV]

So now we know why the Broncos where moving cap dollars.

Burger Bill you suck dude! I know you read this forum and get info from here! Dude Schef-dog was 5 times the journalist you are!

[Jens1893]

According to one take that I read.....they seem to think this is too much for a 30 yr. old CB.....perhaps right.

Keep in mind Champ only got 18M guaranteed (2 million more than Bly).....but Champ was only 25 at the time he signed his deal.

Too much ?

Bear in mind that the salary cap has SIGNIFICANTLY increased since the day Champ signed his contract.

[drail 24 48]

Great News. Cant wait for the season to start. Or atleast the draft. I need me some football

[Jens1893]

Nope. First of all, he's 29. Second Champ made 2 million more three years ago. Adjusted for inflation, that's actually a huge contract. You pay more in free agency but we'll get three or four good years out of Bly as a number 2 corner.

And Bly is good enough to be a number 1 corner for many, many teams.

[maven]

Great! Now lets go draft offense!

[Kaylore]

And Bly is good enough to be a number 1 corner for many, many teams.

He could, but not a great one. As a number 2 he's perfect.

We have hands down the best corners in the AFC West and among the top set in the league.

[ColoradoDarin]

Good, now we can draft DE, DT & S and don't have to worry about trade or no trade with Bly or have the 1-year left hanging over the season.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Great News. had hoped he would stay as something better than a malcontent playing out his contract. Big Boooya to the Pat and Mike show.

[Tredici]

This is VERY good news ...

Now let's get Willis or Carriker.

And 55 .... this sounds a lot like the deal I recall the Redskins were dangling, from what I recall. The only remaining question I have is - is he happy now? Or does he want to move closer to home still?

Personally I think the "reports" of him being unhappy with the trade were greatly manufactured by the media. In another article somewhere on this topic Shanahan said in talking with Bly, what he really wanted was the longer term contract and Shanny was confident they would work that out.

Little OT but the results tend to be the same. I remember years back when the Avs could pick up those great players late in the season to make a run and someone in the media would call them a "rent a player" or they'll leave after this playoff run. Barry Melrose looks disgusted and says, Oh no. They'll fall in love with the city. They'll fall in love with the organization, and they end up staying.

It seems to be true more times than not.....

[Disco Man]

Get your tickets for Arizona in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[wolf754life]

GET REGGIE NELSON NOW at 21 and let the INT's RAIN DOWN!

[Jens1893]

He could, but not a great one. As a number 2 he's perfect.

We have hands down the best corners in the AFC West and among the top set in the league.

Yes ... finding a good corner is pretty hard and I am happy to have a 2 time Pro Bowler here as a number 2.

[Ratboy]

Bly doesnt care where he plays, he wanted money.

Bly and Bailey? Niiiice

[Garcia Bronco]

Sweet

[nadwiggins]

YES! Reggie Nelson sounds perfect now. Get some big bodies to clog the middle and I think where 1 dynamic DE away from a great SUPER BOWL push! Looks like Bowlen and Shanney trying to win one now for Williams and Nash.

[Kaylore]

Does anyone know anything about Reggie Nelson? ROFL!

[HEAV]

Any idea what the Broncos cap looks like now? Anyone? Anyone?

[Requiem]

Griffin and Nelson please be at #21.

[HorseHead]

this is very good news....

here where I live in New England, I can tell Pats fans to stuff it, our off- season is turning out to be as good as theirs....

[Antilles]

This belies the ridiculous notion that Denver was trying to unload Al for "cap relief."

[nadwiggins]

Nelson is a true NFL prospect at safety in this day and age, featuring the gift to either come up to the line of scrimmage and punish a runner, or to drop into coverage as though he was a corner, and very often punishes the receiver. Such a combination of talent is rare in a safety, and it will make him coveted come draft day. Add that to a seeming gift for blocking punts, and you've got a real playmaker.
Nelson is incredibly instinctual, and always seems to be around the ball as a result. He very often seems to just float over to the ball to make a play. Nelson is also a true leader both on and off the field, a trait much sought after in the increasingly character-driven NFL.
Negatives:
Reggie's size is somewhat of an issue, and some wonder if he'll be able to stand up to a full NFL season's worth of pounding, especially with how physically he plays. He's not a great leaper, which could become an issue at the professional level with how tall receivers and tight ends seem to be getting. Also, Nelson bites on the play-action pass a little too often, and frequently gets caught well out of position on those plays, which are a lot more common in the NFL than they are in college.
Overview:
Reggie Nelson is an incredible prospect, and deserves to be right up there with LaRon Landry of LSU in the discussion of the draft's best safety. A leader and a playmaker, Nelson will make any team happy to have him. Expect to see him picked in the top half of the first round.



I like that he has leadership skills for when Lynch is gone and his special teams play would be a bonus.

[55CrushEm]

this is very good news....

here where I live in New England, I can tell Pats fans to stuff it, our off- season is turning out to be as good as theirs....

Better than theirs.......far better.

[nadwiggins]

We are right up there with the Patriots, but the off-season isn't over and the Patriots have 10 draft picks.

[Houshyamama]

GET REGGIE NELSON NOW at 21 and let the INT's RAIN DOWN!

The best secondary in the league is useless if Peyton Manning as all day to throw the ball. Draft Carriker!

[atomicbloke]

Where is Denver getting all this cap room?

Before FA began, everyone was saying how we have pocket change for cap room and couldn't hence wouldn't do anything in FA.

But this turned to be one heck of a period of FA!

[eddie mac]

So now we know why the Broncos where moving cap dollars.

Burger Bill you suck dude! I know you read this forum and get info from here! Dude Schef-dog was 5 times the journalist you are!

Heav unless I'm very much mistaken and Bly's deal is totally different from everyone previously signed by an incoming player his cap hit for 07 will be less than what it already was ($4.2m) thus the additional cap room was not for this although the attempt to move Wilson might have been (cash for the signing bonus).

[wolf754life]

http://myespn.go.com/conversation/story?id=2816020&section=nfl

interesting takes

[BlaK-Argentina]

Great news! This made my day.

Now Nelson looks like a good option, pick him in the first round and use the rest of the draft to upgrade both lines and we're in business.

[TexanBob]

Other than geographic preferences, I can see no reason why a top talent *wouldn't* want to play for the Broncos. The fan base, the ownership, the organization are all top class (so long as you don't turn over the ball at inopportune times) and are dedicated to winning not just making a profit.

Welcome to Denver, Bly! Now please stay the hell away from the night clubs and we'll get along just fine.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.beachnet.com/~jobrien/grimley.gif
Way to go!

[DomCasual]

He could, but not a great one. As a number 2 he's perfect.

We have hands down the best corners in the AFC West and among the top set in the league.

What tandem is better in the league, starter-wise? I don't think there is one. And Foxworth isn't a slouch as a nickle back.

[(Jae)]

The best secondary in the league is useless if Peyton Manning as all day to throw the ball. Draft Carriker!

I wonder how many more years me and you have to say this for it to register to folks.

[55CrushEm]

http://myespn.go.com/conversation/story?id=2816020&section=nfl

interesting takes

Yeah.....2 of my favorites.....

"I don't know if you have actually seen Dre Bly play over the last 4 years, but if you were looking for a CB that gets burned more than he makes plays and can't tackle you found him. Ps he likes to get injured every year."


"i think you'll find his bitching and moaning to be a nice distraction from the fact you don't have a quaterback. I guess Cutler is ok. hey, i'm from Detroit, so I pretty much don't even like football. i've learned to root for other teams and I've always liked the broncos. you should go back to the old uniforms though, just a suggestion. It might get you over the hump. seriously, i know you'll say he had a reason to #### considering he played in detroit, but the guy isn't a profesional in my opinion, and he might turn out to be a cancer in the locker room. he's all about personal stats. "

[BroncoBuff]

I'm no salary cap expert, but I do knwo we were cap-poor when this off-season started ... and this signing represents yet another huge outlay of money.

I think this must be Al Wilson's money they're spending.

[nadwiggins]

The best secondary in the league is useless if Peyton Manning as all day to throw the ball. Draft Carriker!

I don't like Carriker not enough explosion off the line. He would be very good against the run though, but that doesn't help us get to Payton.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm no salary cap expert, but I do knwo we were cap-poor when this off-season started ...

That was before the restructures of Warren & Bailey and the hefty pay cut taken by Rod Smith.

So much for the idea that Shanahan traded for a guy who didn't want to be here. What say you now, trolls?

[ICON]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nuZtDjdlYUSmyM:http://abutalib.indysla.iupui.edu/~asimmon/images/smile.jpg

[DomCasual]

Griffin and Nelson please be at #21.

NO! We need DL more than we need S.

[Rascal]

We had to be under the cap to trade for him no? So this deal probably creates more cap room for this year.

[400HZ]

His agent leveraged that Redskin deal pretty well.

[That One Guy]

I wouldn't be suprised to see that the signing bonus was used to prorate a big part of this year's money. Kind of a pay him the big bucks but worry about it tomorrow sorta deal.

[ColoradoDarin]

I'm no salary cap expert, but I do knwo we were cap-poor when this off-season started ... and this signing represents yet another huge outlay of money.

I think this must be Al Wilson's money they're spending.

Cash outlay is different from cap space. This probably lowers Bly's cap number for this year, but cash-wise it's another $16 mil that Bowlen has laid out this year.

[Los Broncos]

Sweet, now if we can just get some help up front.

[GonzoLays]

Boy, Dre Bly sure got over his desire to play close to his hometown quick, didn't he?

[BroncoBuff]

We had to be under the cap to trade for him no?
This is a good question ... and it prompts me to re-ask another question I asked before that was never answered:

On what date must we be under the cap?

It can't be anytime soon, can it? Not until the final cutdown ...

Put another way: Every team is over the cap NOW, because they all have 65-70+ guys under contract (or will after the draft and CFA period). Therefore, it's impossible to force the cap ceiling upon a team until final cutdown day, isn't it?

.

[Jens1893]

This is a good question ... and it prompts me to re-ask another question I asked before that was never answered:

On what date must we be under the cap?

It can't be anytime soon, can it? Not until the final cutdown ...

Put another way: Every team is over the cap NOW, because they all have 65-70+ guys under contract (or will after the draft and CFA period). Therefore, it's impossible to force the cap ceiling upon a team until final cutdown day, isn't it?

.

Only 53 count against the cap.

[Killericon]

Every time you list the top 10 CBs in the league, two of them will be in Orange and Blue for the next 5 years.

:)

[Crushaholic]

Great! Now lets go draft offense!

I'm going to assume that you are joking...

[phisig150]

NO! We need DL more than we need S.


Is there really that mauch difference between the DEs available at 21 and the ones that will be available in the 2nd. Carriker most likely will be gone. Anderson and Aadams for sure will be. If Nelson or Carriker slip then there the guy. You have more chance at winning the lotto than seeing both of them there. For what Bates likes we can find perfect DTs in the third. All that said I like Griffith in the first and Johnson or Moses or insert other crapshoot but potentionally high reward De in the second. Merriweather intrigues me also. If Carriker slips draft him and trade up if need be for Merriweather in the second. So many possibilities it's almost immpossible for my draft day to be ruined, so Shanny probably take the trackstar Ginn just to spite me.

[Dendave]

<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=1 width=450 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=question>The "Team Salary" falls under the Salary Cap. Team salary includes the amount a team must pay its current or former players under their player contracts. Notice emphasis on the word PLAYERS. The salary cap does not apply to coaches, assistants, trainers, and other personnel. Only the top 51 player salaries for a team count against the salary cap in the offseason. During the season, all player salaries count toward the salary cap.
Team salary includes the Rookie Minimum Active Salary as of the day of the draft for all drafted rookies. The salary for drafted rookies will stay at this amount until the player is signed, the team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season if the player remains unsigned.

<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=1 width=450 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=question>When must teams come in compliance with the Salary Cap?</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=question>Answer: March 2.

The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official. Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL's Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.
If a team releases or trades a player and the signing bonus acceleration puts a team over the Salary Cap, the team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap. However, they may not sign any players until there is room to do so under the Salary Cap.

There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers' front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.

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[wolf754life]

Think about it, Lynch will blitz much more, bly, champ, foxy in man, nelson in center field or another ball hawk, dj more blitz.

Aggressive D, more going after the QB, lots of bump and run. Pass rush is certainly a big concern, but a big run stuffer/pocket pusher DT in round 2 or 3A or 3B will help, and another good DE prospect and they should be set.

Round 1: Reggie Nelson/Michael Griffin/Brandon Merriweather

Next 3 picks from this goup...........

Quinn Pittock DT/Demarcus Tyler DT/Justin Harrell DT/Victor Abiamiri DE/Tim Crowder DE/Lamarr Woodley DE/Ray Mcdonald DE


S/DT/DE (They have to go that way in the first three rounds, maybe a WR like Meachem or Bowe, but thats debetable as well)

Then a second day Offensive Tackle like James Marten of Boston College or someone who is mobile and undersized.

[KipCorrington25]

In related news the Chorfs are working out Tito Paul.

[Odysseus]

Now go get some D-Line help in the draft.

No matter how we draft every draft scenario I see leaves us a couple of impact players light.

[cabronco]

Well this signing of Bly is certainly great news. Its nice to hear something positive from Broncoland for a change. I really like our off season moves that the FO has made. It makes this upcoming draft even more exciting, because we've narrowed down our needs. I dont think Shanahan will go after a WR after the Stokley signing unless its a value pick he can't refuse. I think another given is Shanahan will pick a RB, its just a matter of when. Which Imo can leave us a pick for S, OT, DT and DE, where we can pick up either 2 DT's or DE's. It's all good !!

[ward63]

it looks like we have a Pro Bowl secondary on our hands:).

[Tredici]

His agent leveraged that Redskin deal pretty well.


That makes no sense.

[Garcia Bronco]

Boy, Dre Bly sure got over his desire to play close to his hometown quick, didn't he?

It was never about that. I dare say a flight from detroit to norfolk would take less times than a drive from NOVA/DC to Cheasapeake

[Popps]

Wow, 33 Mil for a 30 year old B+ CB? They practically ran him out of Detroit. Hopefully Shanahan knows something here, because this sure seems like a desperation move.

It'll be interesting to see how his stay in Denver pans out. It hasn't ended well elsewhere.

I hope it's a smart contract. I'm less than thrilled to be dumping that kind of money into the CB spot when we've already got Bailey with a huge salary.

[watermock]

Total money doesn´t matter ... guaranteed money is where it´s at ... and $16m is quite a bit.

I jumped up the thread to make a point...Champ was given 16 million up front with no contract in front of him.

Bly had a 4.2 or 4.7 salary if memory serves, so it's not so outrageous as it might seem. It likely saved Denver a couple million in cap. Plus, it ends that crap about his moving or being disgruntled.

Next.

[baja]

In the mist of all the jubilation about the Bly signing There is one sobering note, Bly cost the Broncos a first round pick, a second round pick and a 5th for a 6th. Not the way to build a winning team for the long haul.

[BroncoBuff]

Only 53 count against the cap.

So, your answer is, on final cutdown day?

[chadta]

In the mist of all the jubilation about the Bly signing There is one sobering note, Bly cost the Broncos a first round pick, a second round pick and a 5th for a 6th. Not the way to build a winning team for the long haul.

yes but the first and second round picks were about to be cut, so bly only really cost move from 5th or 6th, id make that deal all day long, no wonder detroit has been as bad as they have for as long as they have. Nothing like paying for something you could get for free.

[watermock]

In the mist of all the jubilation about the Bly signing There is one sobering note, Bly cost the Broncos a first round pick, a second round pick and a 5th for a 6th. Not the way to build a winning team for the long haul.

Tater Tot had one impressive run in all his time in Denver, ironically dragging Ray Ray to a first down. To assert we gave up a kings ransom is laughable.

Neither were playing very well despite given ample chance. Swapping a late 5th for for an early 6th is completely inconsequential. The only player of consequence was Tater Tot, and he had fumblitis. Foster sucked.

Just because you took players high doesn't mean they played worth a crap. It's called cutting line. Now we have arguably the best CB tandem in the NFL, at least for another 5 years, and then Bailey if healthy can be moved to SS.

[ZONA]

Awesome. Champ & Bly should play well together. I also think, even though Bly is 30, he can learn a few things from Bailey. Playing opposite of Bailey, such a high profile CB, I think this will light a fire under Bly even more to prove he can be just as good. Maybe he won't, most likely he won't, but it sure will be nice to have Bly with that kind of attitude. What ever Champ does, Bly will want to do better.

And why are some of you higher on Nelson then Griffin? Both seem to have the same weakness, which partley has to do with being a college player, the both get out of position sometimes. But Griffin is a much better athlete and I think his frame will allow him to add 10 pounds of muscle easy. I think he's a better special teams player and much much better at stripping the ball. I'd much rather have Griffin. He's played in the biggest of games, won a National Championship, played against more top teams (Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State). I think he will learn to get into better position and with Bly and Champ at CB, he can focus on going for the ball.

[long beach bronco]

Remember, Shanny still says he's going to draft an explosive return man. There's a few to pick from (Ginn Jr., Yamon Figurs, and my favorite, Josh Wilson cb-maryland).

[Kaylore]

In the mist of all the jubilation about the Bly signing There is one sobering note, Bly cost the Broncos a first round pick, a second round pick and a 5th for a 6th. Not the way to build a winning team for the long haul.

Oh brother...:oyvey:

Let's go one further and say Bly and Bailey cost us Portis and a first.

[cabronco]

From the limited plays I've seen on Nelson and Griffin, I would have to go with Griffin.

[baja]

Tater Tot had one impressive run in all his time in Denver, ironically dragging Ray Ray to a first down. To assert we gave up a kings ransom is laughable.

Neither were playing very well despite given ample chance. Swapping a late 5th for for an early 6th is completely inconsequential. The only player of consequence was Tater Tot, and he had fumblitis. Foster sucked.

Just because you took players high doesn't mean they played worth a crap. It's called cutting line. Now we have arguably the best CB tandem in the NFL, at least for another 5 years, and then Bailey if healthy can be moved to SS.

Damn Mock what is up with your comprehension. My point was We need to draft better if we expect a solid team from year to year

Your arguement makes my point.

[baja]

Oh brother...:oyvey:

Let's go one further and say Bly and Bailey cost us Portis and a first.

My point is so very simple.

We did not draft well in the case of Bell and Foster and that hurts any team when you blow it on a first rd. and second rd. - end of point

[Kaylore]

My point is so very simple.

We did not draft well in the case of Bell and Foster and that hurts any team when you blow it on a first rd. and second rd. - end of point

Here's my counter-point. Drafts where you hit on every pick are rare. Portis was a second rounder, so really...

We acquired Bailey and Bly for a first and second rounder. :P

[baja]

Here's my counter-point. Drafts where you hit on every pick are rare. Portis was a second rounder, so really...

We acquired Bailey and Bly for a first and second rounder. :P

See how good Shanahan is at covering his ass on his bad drafts ;D

Edit: I won't bring up cap hit for these FA as vursis rookie contracts.

[Paladin]

"I won't bring up cap hit for these FA as vursis rookie contracts."

Yes. Don't.

Jeez, how far back you wanna go? Maybe drafting Merlin Olsen wasn't such a great idea, or even Dick Butkus. Talk about blowing first round picks!!!<!-- / message -->

[azbroncfan]

I think Merriweather is the best cover S in the Draft. I want the draft to go DL, S, DL, DL, DL, P

[Atlas]

I'm no salary cap expert, but I do knwo we were cap-poor when this off-season started ... and this signing represents yet another huge outlay of money.

I think this must be Al Wilson's money they're spending.
Buff your're not understanding this. Bly was on the book for $4.1 Mil. I'm sure with this signing his cap figure for this year will be LESS than $4.1. He saved Denver's cap by getting a long term deal.

I'm not positive but I feel this is very likely.

[Jens1893]

So, your answer is, on final cutdown day?

Not sure ... I think it may be March 1st ... and no franchise is over the cap now, I think ... as only 53 count against the cap. Eddie or Herc, can you clarify?

[Drek]

Boy, Dre Bly sure got over his desire to play close to his hometown quick, didn't he?

Yeah, 16 million new friends help you feel at home real quick.

Wow, 33 Mil for a 30 year old B+ CB? They practically ran him out of Detroit. Hopefully Shanahan knows something here, because this sure seems like a desperation move.

It'll be interesting to see how his stay in Denver pans out. It hasn't ended well elsewhere.

I hope it's a smart contract. I'm less than thrilled to be dumping that kind of money into the CB spot when we've already got Bailey with a huge salary.

1. B+? He pro-bowled every season in Detroit before last, when he still carried their secondary on his back even though it was in a cover 2 system totally wrong for his skills.

2. $33M over 5 years, $16M guaranteed. Its an important distinction, until we know the base salaries (which we will in a few weeks when this hits the NFLPA website) we can't really tell just how much of that $33M he's likely to see.

[azbroncfan]

It's funny how the tools at CP say we overpaid for BLY when Carl gave an overrated TY Law a 5 yr 30 Mil deal and he is 3 years older.

[-Slap-]

Does anyone know anything about Reggie Nelson? ROFL!

I know Michael Griffin is better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1472001&postcount=56

[phisig150]

I know Michael Griffin is better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1472001&postcount=56

Where do you put Merriweather in that mix Slap? I think his character issues are a little overblown. I kinda like the scrap he got into. How about Rouse not in the first but if go DE or maybe even WR (Jarrett fingers crossed if we go that route) I could live with him in the 2nd.

[-Slap-]

Where do you put Merriweather in that mix Slap? I think his character issues are a little overblown. I kinda like the scrap he got into. How about Rouse not in the first but if go DE or maybe even WR (Jarrett fingers crossed if we go that route) I could live with him in the 2nd.

He has some off the field stuff, too. I would just as soon not go looking for trouble in such a deep safety class. How often do four of them carry first round grades in a single draft anyway? About once every five or ten years? There are another half a dozen or more who are worthwhile first day picks. If we don't go after Griffin in round one, I hope we take a hard look at whoever drops to 70/85.

[Kaylore]

I know Michael Griffin is better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1472001&postcount=56

He's so fast for a big guy. He's clutch too. Can't argue with that Rosebowl performance. I'd be happy with either, though I'd rather go with a late round pick to groom and use an early pick on a more immediate need.

[OrangeShadow]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j144/wncbob/borat.jpg
VERY NICE!

[Drek]

He's so fast for a big guy. He's clutch too. Can't argue with that Rosebowl performance. I'd be happy with either, though I'd rather go with a late round pick to groom and use an early pick on a more immediate need.

I don't know, with Bates preference for man covering corners its vital to have safeties who can protect them and play a good center field. We know Lynch can't do that, Ferguson wasn't particularly good at it before tearing his leg up, and Brandon, the only capable coverage safety we have on the roster now, is also coming back from a serious leg injury.

We could be looking at a dramatic drop off in our safeties coverage abilities, adding someone like Griffin or Nelson would only make the Bailey/Bly tandem that much more effective.

I'd be happy with Weddle or Piscatelli too though.

[watermock]

That Griffin youtube was incredible. 8 punt blocks is borderline criminal. Sucker can hit too.

[worm]

Got to wonder how Foxworth feels about all this.

Your boss doesn't think your good enough to compete for the starter role....so he brings in a hired gun and inserts him in front of you....and signs him to a guaranteed bank, long-term deal. Foxworth has no chance of ever competing for a larger role.

They can sell the importance of the nickel role to Foxworth all they want...but he is exit stage left when his rookie contract expires.

That is unfortunate because I think he still has a lot of upside and he is the quality of individual that I want associated with the Broncos.

Thats not to say that he is a better #2 than Bly...right now...but is this team really better with Bly as the #2...or would they have been better with those $$$ invested elsewhere over the next 5 years.

[spdirty]

Got to wonder how Foxworth feels about all this.

Your boss doesn't think your good enough to compete for the starter role....so he brings in a hired gun and inserts him in front of you....and signs him to a guaranteed bank, long-term deal. Foxworth has no chance of ever competing for a larger role.

They can sell the importance of the nickel role to Foxworth all they want...but he is exit stage left when his rookie contract expires.

That is unfortunate because I think he still has a lot of upside and he is the quality of individual that I want associated with the Broncos.

Thats not to say that he is a better #2 than Bly...right now...but is this team really better with Bly as the #2...or would they have been better with those $$$ invested elsewhere over the next 5 years.


I'd like to see him put on some weight and maybe get a shot at safety. Let Brondon work the nickel.

[Paladin]

Problem is that Fox is not as "accomplished" right now as Bly appears to be. I think the Broncos are going for the wins now, not next year. Fox and Paymah are important future developments for the Broncs, but they want to win now. A S is important as well as a DT. I would not be surprised if the Broncos trade almost everything to get good DT and S prospects in this draft.

[long beach bronco]

If the broncos trade Al Wilson, i hope it's for DT Shaun Rogers. If that happens, we will go WR or S in the first round.

[Popps]

Yeah, 16 million new friends help you feel at home real quick.



1. B+? He pro-bowled every season in Detroit before last, when he still carried their secondary on his back even though it was in a cover 2 system totally wrong for his skills.

2. $33M over 5 years, $16M guaranteed. Its an important distinction, until we know the base salaries (which we will in a few weeks when this hits the NFLPA website) we can't really tell just how much of that $33M he's likely to see.

Al Wilson makes the Pro Bowl every year and I'd say he's a B+ player, too.
Doesn't mean I want to sign him to a 30M extension at the age of 30.

I do agree that this contract may not be as bad as it appears. Let's hope it's not.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Got to wonder how Foxworth feels about all this.

Your boss doesn't think your good enough to compete for the starter role....so he brings in a hired gun and inserts him in front of you....and signs him to a guaranteed bank, long-term deal. Foxworth has no chance of ever competing for a larger role.

They can sell the importance of the nickel role to Foxworth all they want...but he is exit stage left when his rookie contract expires.

That is unfortunate because I think he still has a lot of upside and he is the quality of individual that I want associated with the Broncos.

Thats not to say that he is a better #2 than Bly...right now...but is this team really better with Bly as the #2...or would they have been better with those $$$ invested elsewhere over the next 5 years.


I sure hope they can keep him here. That Nickel role is so critical. I also like his leadership ability and intelligence.

[Drek]

Al Wilson makes the Pro Bowl every year and I'd say he's a B+ player, too.
Doesn't mean I want to sign him to a 30M extension at the age of 30.

I do agree that this contract may not be as bad as it appears. Let's hope it's not.

I'd argue that CB is a more competitive pro-bowl position myself, but yeah, if you want to rank him the same as Wilson I won't disagree. Thing is, Wilson carries some serious health concerns and MLBs tend to have a much sharper downturn than CBs. Very few MLBs can take the wear and tear of their position and stay productive well into their early 30's, even mid-level CBs can maintain their productivity into theirearly 30's while the better CBs, which I'd say Bly is one of, can perform into their mid-30's.

On the topic of Foxworth/Paymah, they both turned 24 since the end of the season and will be RFAs after this season so they aren't just going to walk. We control them cheap for '07 and '08, at that point Bly is down to only 3 years left on his deal and they're both only 26. Not too bad a situation.

Personally I hope we put pick value compensation on both of them after this season, in an ideal world one of them gets an offer sheet (probably Foxworth) and we get a 2nd or 3rd back. The guy left steps into the nickel role entirely to himself, gets an extension, and replaces Bly a couple years later as the starter when he's 28.

[eddie mac]

This is a good question ... and it prompts me to re-ask another question I asked before that was never answered:

On what date must we be under the cap?

It can't be anytime soon, can it? Not until the final cutdown ...

Put another way: Every team is over the cap NOW, because they all have 65-70+ guys under contract (or will after the draft and CFA period). Therefore, it's impossible to force the cap ceiling upon a team until final cutdown day, isn't it?

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BB every single NFL franchise has to be under the cap on the 1st day of the new NFL season. Normally the 1st day of free agency, hence the major cuts the Broncos made last season.

At present only the top 51 players (in terms of salary cap hit for 2007) count against the salary cap but at the start of the regular season 53 count against the cap.

As for you question about Bly's contract, there will be a smaller cap hit this year than what it already was $4.2m (the final years base he carried from Detroit) but in all likelyhood some of the cash Bly gets up front (signing bonus) may well come from either trading or making Al take a paycut.