used car Advice

[ICON]

I am about to buy a 2002 Hyundai Elantra GLS ! 68000 MILES ON IT
Does anyone own a Hyundai are has anybody heard good are bad things about Hyundai Elantra.

thanks

[orange 4 life]

ask for a carfax. sometimes vehicles with very low miles have low miles because they have issues.

as for the overall value of the car itself, the truth of the matter is that virtually EVERY car sold in america these days will run 150k.
what breaks is electrical stuff (windows, locks, A/C, stereo's, etc.) so also ask about a BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty.
dont get a cheapie warranty. i can make sure thats on the up and up (as well as your financing if your not paying cash) if you'd like.

best of luck,

jake

[ICON]

ask for a carfax. sometimes vehicles with very low miles have low miles because they have issues.

as for the overall value of the car itself, the truth of the matter is that virtually EVERY car sold in america these days will run 150k.
what breaks is electrical stuff (windows, locks, A/C, stereo's, etc.) so also ask about a BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty.
dont get a cheapie warranty. i can make sure thats on the up and up (as well as your financing if your not paying cash) if you'd like.

best of luck,

jakeThanks alot I will be paying cash this time, The car will be sold as is, But I get a two day open contract to get it cheaked up! I dont get a
warranty unless they have one I can buy.

[orange 4 life]

I read it as 68 HUNDRED miles. seeing 68k actually makes me feel better about it. probably highway miles and the cars been properly broke in.

are you buying from a dealer?

if so, its worth inquiring about a warranty, so long as it actually covers the whole car.
its been my experience (im a finance director, but i obviously still see all the cars come and go) that hyundai has come a long way and is making a good product right now, so the major point of concern is simply making sure that that particular vehicle is sound mechanically (electrically more specifically) and hasnt been in any major accidents.

if its at a dealer, they can pull a carfax for you, but since it costs about 40 bucks they wont do it unless you request it.

assuming that checks out, you should be quite happy.

[ZONA]

I won't try to talk you out of buying a used car but you can buy a new car for Thousands less then what you might think. If you know how to play the game, you can get a new car for alot less then what they tell you they can sell it for. They will give you the so called "factory invoice" to try and prove to you what they paid the factory but that is a BS invoice. I purchased my 2006 Nissan Truck fully loaded for $3800 less then the so called "factory invoice". I basically shopped each dealer in my area. When one finally gave me their lowest price, I went to the next dealer and told them I had a deal for $1000 less then the previous dealer told me and would buy if they could beat it by $500. They did and then I went to the next dealer and low balled that same price and so on. Some of them play with you and some don't. Move on until you find a player. Tell them you will use their financing (even though you won't) and you will see how they come down in price and show their true face. Works for me. Takes some time but it's worth it. A friend of a friend has the same truck and he paid about $5000 more for his. Okay, so he got a factory installed hitch, floor matts and a better stero but that's not worth $5K more.

[watermock]

Hundai has the most robotic factory in the world, but I don't think that a 2002 falls into that catagory. Sorry, but I would pass.

People have no clue how much more dealerships make in used if it's run right. When I was with Huard Chevy in Orlando/Sanford, There was a plaque when you made a 10,000 gross on a deal...that's before they got raped in financing...That place was so insane it was well...insane...YOUR APPROVED...We had more mutts than you would believe...it was like sorting thru a pig stye...they would kiss the paper and ring the bell for what the called a home run...best I got was 6800 on a soft top Jeep Wrangler. This guy wound up with a 530 dollar 72 month contract on a damn soft top Wrangler.

Anyway, I wouldn't buy anything Hundai except after product came off the new factory floor. I think that was 2005 or 6.

Used cars is a racket if your dealing with a dealer...trust me. You can look up the car in kelly's blue book but don't pay retail.

[watermock]

I won't try to talk you out of buying a used car but you can buy a new car for Thousands less then what you might think.

Trust me, ZONA knows what he's talking about. If your in a Blue State that doesn't sell on sunday, buy the saturday paper. If there is a blue law for sunday, buy the sunday paper and look for a loss leader.

Trust me...Dealers will put one model number...one car as a "Loss Leader"...it's a trick to develop traffic. Just get there when the doors open and grab the loss leader. It's usually sold below invoice.

I wouldn't advise a Hundayi pre-new factory.

[watermock]

I won't try to talk you out of buying a used car but you can buy a new car for Thousands less then what you might think. If you know how to play the game, you can get a new car for alot less then what they tell you they can sell it for. They will give you the so called "factory invoice" to try and prove to you what they paid the factory but that is a BS invoice. I purchased my 2006 Nissan Truck fully loaded for $3800 less then the so called "factory invoice". I basically shopped each dealer in my area. When one finally gave me their lowest price, I went to the next dealer and told them I had a deal for $1000 less then the previous dealer told me and would buy if they could beat it by $500. They did and then I went to the next dealer and low balled that same price and so on. Some of them play with you and some don't. Move on until you find a player. Tell them you will use their financing (even though you won't) and you will see how they come down in price and show their true face. Works for me. Takes some time but it's worth it. A friend of a friend has the same truck and he paid about $5000 more for his. Okay, so he got a factory installed hitch, floor matts and a better stero but that's not worth $5K more.

You sound like a salesman's nightmare...that's why I sold USED cars! Look you mutt...this is the deal...want it or walk...Ha! Huard Chevy was absolutely brutal with customers.

[Barry Ramey]

You want to buy a car towards the end of the month, especially the last weekend of the month since salesmen are more eager to make deals. I got like $2400 off a barely year old car, a Chevy Malibu, that only had 17,000 miles on it at the time. I knew I could get a Pontiac Grand Am from a different dealer for 11,995 also a 2003, but had 25,000 miles on it, so went to a different dealer to see if could get a better deal on something.

The saleman tried to BS me, so I played the game and did it as well and kept talking the price down even though he balked at first. I got it down to 13,500, then 12,800 I think it was. Each time he left to go call the "bank" and I really played it up with "gee, I just don't know if I can really do that price. I think said, you know, let's see if they'll take 11,800. And the guy said "but that's a 2003, barely a year old with only 17,000 miles on it. And I said "I know, but let's see if they'll take it anyway." He then says about an even 12. And then my winning line that got the deal I wanted: "you tell the 'bank' if they take 11,800(originally wanted 14,200) I will drive that car off the lot today." He comes back and says "oh yeah, the bank will take it" and he all excited. I checked the blue book value and it indeed was 14,200, so I was pretty proud of my dealing. But I still kick myself for not saying 11,500, but oh well.

[ICON]

THANK YOU ALL ---

I DID NOT BUY THE CAR ! When I went to buy the car the tryed too jack up
the price from 4000 to 6500 200 above the blue book price I told them all to
go uck there self and mock your right thats a bad used car and dealership.:strong:

[orange 4 life]

I won't try to talk you out of buying a used car but you can buy a new car for Thousands less then what you might think. If you know how to play the game, you can get a new car for alot less then what they tell you they can sell it for. They will give you the so called "factory invoice" to try and prove to you what they paid the factory but that is a BS invoice. I purchased my 2006 Nissan Truck fully loaded for $3800 less then the so called "factory invoice". I basically shopped each dealer in my area. When one finally gave me their lowest price, I went to the next dealer and told them I had a deal for $1000 less then the previous dealer told me and would buy if they could beat it by $500. They did and then I went to the next dealer and low balled that same price and so on. Some of them play with you and some don't. Move on until you find a player. Tell them you will use their financing (even though you won't) and you will see how they come down in price and show their true face. Works for me. Takes some time but it's worth it. A friend of a friend has the same truck and he paid about $5000 more for his. Okay, so he got a factory installed hitch, floor matts and a better stero but that's not worth $5K more.

it takes ALOT of time, and if you can find a reputable dealer right out of the shoot and YOU are honest with them, theyll give you that price right from the get go. its how our dealership has grown so much even though we're in the middle of nowhere.

also, that invoice isnt "B.S." at all. if a dealer shows a fake invoice and gets caught, they would be IMMEDIATELY and COMPLETELY shut down.
i cant say it NEVER happens, but i can say i havent seen or heard of it happening in well over a decade.

we DO pay that much for those cars, though we have quarterly factory "kick backs" (for lack of a better word) thats called "holdback" (a couple hundred on the cheapest cars and maybe 12-1300 on more expensive units) as well as factory incentives that can be used to lower prices.

most domestic companies use rebates (cannot be hidden or withheld from the customer), while most foreign makers use dealer cash, which CAN be withheld from the consumer.
this is what the dealer that sold you your car used to make that deal.

instead of playing a bunch of games, telling a bunch of lies, and wasting a bunch of peoples time (most notably your own), you'd be better served to simply do some research online (ALL of the factory incentives including dealer cash are published, public information thats easily accessible) and then find a reputable dealer that will trim the fat right away, make their small profit, and then be more than happy to take good care of you after the sale as well.

[watermock]

Used cars are marked up anywhere from 3 to 5K.

[orange 4 life]

THANK YOU ALL ---

I DID NOT BUY THE CAR ! When I went to buy the car the tryed too jack up
the price from 4000 to 6500 200 above the blue book price I told them all to
go uck there self and mock your right thats a bad used car and dealership.:strong:

unfortunately theres ALOT of bad dealerships out there, but you can find the diamond in the rough (i have to drive 45 mins each way to get here every day) and then you'll be better off since you can deal with them in the future as well.
try looking online. sometimes thats a good way to sift through the garbage.
most dealers have an internet manager, and if you send him an email he'll respond pretty quick. also, you SHOULD be able to get the real deal right away.

let me know if you need anything. im more than happy to look up book values (kelly, nada, manheim, denver auto auction, etc. dealer values) or pull a carfax (some dealers cant, though most can) if that'll help. best of luck,

jake

[orange 4 life]

Used cars are marked up anywhere from 3 to 5K.

sometimes even more now with that bogus "push, pull, or drag it in" garbage on trade ins.
amazing that some of these dealers stay in business with their old school methods.

[watermock]

I suggest you ask Orange 4 Life what deals make more money...used or new. Logic would say new, but it's exactly the opposite, both in front end gross and back end financing.

I have two high milers and have 190k on a 3.8 lumina, and a 2.7 intrepid that is quirky but only was 3k. Strange care to say the least. 6500 total. I just about bought a 06 corolla LE for 16K but was admonished. It's not hard at all to get a car at close to invoice, or even below with a loss leader in the paper designed to create traffic. It's called bait and hook. I remember I called on a loss leader Mazda 5 last year and talked about it awhile...then called back to put a deposit on it within 10 minutes...whoops...it just sold! What makes the story funny is how you could hear other salesmen laughing like hyenas in the distance over the phone. He never had the damn car to begin with. Dealers will often advertise a car allready sold as well. So like I say, when you see the ad, get the stock # and put a deposit on it when it hits the back page. It's likely at or below invoice. If it's there.

I don't know if Burt Toyota is still as honorable but it was the most I ever worked for.

[smalltowngrll]

I owned an 2000 Hyundai Accent. Transmission blew at 41k miles. Never will I ever purchase a hyundai again. If you buy it new, you might get some of your moneys worth because they are inexpensive, Just my sour apple (lemon) opinion. They might be made better now, but I won't trust the company again.

[ICON]

I owned an 2000 Hyundai Accent. Transmission blew at 41k miles. Never will I ever purchase a hyundai again. If you buy it new, you might get some of your moneys worth because they are inexpensive, Just my sour apple (lemon) opinion. They might be made better now, but I won't trust the company again.thanks

[Dudeskey]

If you're looking at economy rides, look at a Corolla... very dependable

[watermock]

I wouldn't be scared to buy a Hyundai if it rolled off the new 1.1 billion dollar, most robotic plant on the planet. They finally realized selling crap cheap is still cheap crap. Their early cars were so bad they rivaled Yugos. So bad they had to tuck their collective tails and escape to Korea. Once they felt that the collective conciousnous of that fiasco had faded, they came back better, but still substandard. I guess the new factory is putting out really fine cars. Kia's, altho small, were designed by Honda engineers.

[RkyMtnThunder]

. I basically shopped each dealer in my area. When one finally gave me their lowest price, I went to the next dealer and told them I had a deal for $1000 less then the previous dealer told me and would buy if they could beat it by $500. They did and then I went to the next dealer and low balled that same price and so on.



Could have done all that legwork in 30 minutes on the internet. Furthermore could have had dealers coast to coast rather than just your local area bidding for your business instead of you needing to ask for better prices. You just email a bunch of dealers a link to an ad you saw with a price you liked and watch em all reply trying to beat it. Narrow it down to 3-4 dealers and start talking to em all on the phone and let em know how much competition they have. You will walk away with the best possible price in the US for the car you want if you use this strategy.

But yeah - shop around! In 2004 I bought a brand new Saab 9-3 for $9,000 below invoice and in 2006 bought wife a saab 9-5 wagon for almost $12,000 below. The 9-3 came from a dealer in OK that had a massive surplus of that particular make and desperate to clear the lot. The 9-5 came from Columbus OH from a dealer who again had a surplus of that model on the lot.

Had them ship the cars to my local dealers for inspection and pick up. Local dealer salesmen cringed when I told them what I got the cars for - compared to what they wanted for the same makes on their lot - they simply couldnt compete and were shocked at the prices I got. Their 9-3s were all over $10k more than I paid, and the 9-5s almost $15k more than I paid. No way they could have matched. (local dealer)



Yes, dealers would like you to use their finance company - but they will lower prices for serious (cash) buyers even more so - so pre-arrange your financing and you will have greater leverage than dangling the hope that you sign with the dealer's lender.



Of course - this is for NEW cars with full factory warranties and the whole 9 yards. I do NOT reccomend buying used cars sight unseen off the internet. Carfax is OK but still....better safe than sorry.

(btw - my bank would not finance used car purchased off the internet private party, only from authorized dealers. I would imagine other banks have similar policy)

[watermock]

Agreed. If there is an option that is attractive vs. a low or zero financing rate, your better arranging your own financing, especially if you have a credit union. Taking the rebate puts you in a better equity position on your balance. Depends on the amount of the rebate of course. High demand imports don't have huge rebates normally.

[-Slap-]

I wouldn't be scared to buy a Hyundai if it rolled off the new 1.1 billion dollar, most robotic plant on the planet. They finally realized selling crap cheap is still cheap crap. Their early cars were so bad they rivaled Yugos. So bad they had to tuck their collective tails and escape to Korea. Once they felt that the collective conciousnous of that fiasco had faded, they came back better, but still substandard. I guess the new factory is putting out really fine cars. Kia's, altho small, were designed by Honda engineers.

As awful as the early Hyundais were, they were still a couple cuts above the Yugo.

The worst car ever is surely The Trabant (http://www.team.net/www/ktud/trabi.html) from Hungary.

From the resin and wool(!) composite chassis, to the two cylinder, two stroke engine. Nothing else is in its class. A Yugo looks like a 1931 Silver Shadow Rolls Royce by comparison.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

As awful as the early Hyundais were, they were still a couple cuts above the Yugo.

The worst car ever is surely The Trabant (http://www.team.net/www/ktud/trabi.html) from Hungary.

From the resin and wool(!) composite chassis, to the two cylinder, two stroke engine. Nothing else is in its class. A Yugo looks like a 1931 Silver Shadow Rolls Royce by comparison.

Where would you even find something like that?

I would like to find one for sale. I could turn my brother on to it and he would swear he could fix it up a little and sell if for a 2 grand profit. SOB would probably do it too.

[watermock]

Wool chassis? Talk about structual integrity! Just another example of communist superiority. What were the motor mounts, bailing wire?

[rugbythug]

ON used cars I normally want 30% off sticker price for me to buy.

I bought a grand am sticker priced 16,999 for 10,500. Last day of the month from the greasiest salesman I could get.

[watermock]

ON used cars I normally want 30% off sticker price for me to buy.

I bought a grand am sticker priced 16,999 for 10,500. Last day of the month from the greasiest salesman I could get.

That's why I never strayed onto the new car side of car sales. A used car has no invoice. When I first started at Burt, a mini would yield a commision of 25 bucks. Heh...and you had to do all the paperwork. The amusing thing is mini deals producted the biggest whining customers.

Huard had some outrageous ads in Orlando...BOOM! Your approved! Boom! Regardless of credit history! Boom! You wouldn't believe the mutts that walked thru those doors.

If I intend to buy a new car, it will all be done over the phone and I'll just be walking in, sign, hand them my own financing and get out in 30 minutes after seeing all it's features, like where the ignition key goes.

[crazyhorse]

Used cars are marked up anywhere from 3 to 5K.

I'll give you credit for this one, mock. This is an accurate statement. Actually it's 35 to 45 hundred mark up in a used car. But close enough.:thumbs:

[Raider Bill]

Used cars are marked up anywhere from 3 to 5K.

I've never bought a new car. And I've never gotten "upside down" on a used car. Plenty of my friends have gotten upside down taking 72 month notes on a crappy Taurus financing the cost of getting out of their previous lease.

I bought a 2000 Jeep Cherokee 4 years ago for 11 grand. Owe 1200 on it now, and it's worth 5K private party or 2900 as a trade. I'll drive the **** out of that thing until it dies and still get 1500 for it.


I usually try to get something coming off a 27 month lease.

[Cito Pelon]

. . . . ..I don't know if Burt Toyota is still as honorable but it was the most I ever worked for.

They're pretty square on repairs, buying I don't know. Except for a service writer with the initials SO. Everybody has service writers like ol' SO, I guess.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm still looking for a sport sedan. Anybody own a Lexus GS? A Ford Fusion? A Ford 500?

[broncocalijohn]

Trust me, ZONA knows what he's talking about. If your in a Blue State that doesn't sell on sunday, buy the saturday paper. If there is a blue law for sunday, buy the sunday paper and look for a loss leader.

Trust me...Dealers will put one model number...one car as a "Loss Leader"...it's a trick to develop traffic. Just get there when the doors open and grab the loss leader. It's usually sold below invoice.

I wouldn't advise a Hundayi pre-new factory.

Mock is correct. It isnt bait and switch if they tell you the ID number and how many at that price. Go down there at 5 in the morning and wait until they open the gate. Hyundai that isnt built in the last few years is known as junk. At least when my two ex friends beat up someone cause they drove a Hyundai. Maybe the year you are looking at is ok as i am surprised it made it to 68K. I have a Toyota Corolla with 215K on it. Was gonna sell it when it hit 200K, but now it is just principle to see how far I can go with this car. Good luck and dont buy a Ford Escort.