View Full Version : What mock drafts have us taking.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 03:52 PM
These Mock drafts are really lame. It's like they all just copy each other on who to pick.
From what I've seen here's what everyone thinks we'll do.
1. Anthony Spencer - If we take this guy I'll throw a brick through my wall. I don't like very much about him at all and certainly not in the first round.
2. Jarvis Moss - I know he can rush the passer, but he doesn't seem to be as good against the run and I would think the Broncos want a more complete player in the first round.
3. A Wide Receiver - Do people really think we'll need a wide receiver? Do they really think we'll use a first round pick on one? This is stupid. With all the weapons on offense and growing concerns on defense we use our best pick on a receiver? Idiots.
4. A Corner - Until we move Bly, this is stupid. Really, really, stupid.
I would hate any of the above. My suspicion is that most of those Mock drafts just write what the other guy wrote and don't know our team needs.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-26-2007, 04:20 PM
There are really only a half dozen guys out there with significant contacts among the scouts, so yes they just copy from one another. Most of these guys have never seen many of the players in a game.
BTW - I missed the context, but as I was walking by the TV the other day, NFL Network had Spencer going to the 49ers in the third round.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 04:34 PM
BTW - I missed the context, but as I was walking by the TV the other day, NFL Network had Spencer going to the 49ers in the third round.
That makes a lot more sense.
elsid13
03-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)
Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/) – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgXKWxD8PTDcIqvE0X8bjyZDubYF?slug=jm-mockdraft032207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
goldengopher1976
03-26-2007, 06:53 PM
It seems to me that there is increasing sentiment and increasingly good arguments here for us either moving up or down in the draft. One way to get an impact player, the other to get several really good players with potential for impact (I'll grant, of course, that all players are merely "potential" anything at this point). If we're setting our sights on a LT, I'd rather move down and grab another one and acquire another pick. And there's no way we'd get Joe Thomas at 6...
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-26-2007, 07:20 PM
It seems to me that there is increasing sentiment and increasingly good arguments here for us either moving up or down in the draft. One way to get an impact player, the other to get several really good players with potential for impact (I'll grant, of course, that all players are merely "potential" anything at this point). If we're setting our sights on a LT, I'd rather move down and grab another one and acquire another pick. And there's no way we'd get Joe Thomas at 6...
Maners are like a bunch of kids in the back seat. They don't want to sit still.
WABronco
03-26-2007, 08:11 PM
Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)
Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/) – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgXKWxD8PTDcIqvE0X8bjyZDubYF?slug=jm-mockdraft032207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Staley? Yes.
Ugoh shouldn't even be mentioned in the first.
As for Moss, he's probably the second best pure pass rusher in the draft. Run defense comes later.
Requiem
03-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Like Big Guy said, most of these kids (who are just kids in high school) rarely have seen some of these kids play. I love college football, but I can guarantee you I have not studied more than maybe a round or so of guys extensively. I know a lot about prospects, but not enough to give a detailed scouting report for each and every one. I feel comfortable that I know enough to make a detailed round one mock, and perhaps an additional round or two. Very few of the people out there have access to tape, and I'd wager than 95% of them haven't seen more than one game of every prospect they have going in the first round.
A lot of the stuff is ridiculous, and when you see people posting on forums - (like Football's Future) they tend to get their input from the more respected fans of individual teams. Most of the kids on here copy eachother and throw **** against a wall to see if it will stick.
I didn't even do a full-round mock last year to submit to any constest, I don't bother wasting my time. I care about what the Broncos do really, and only the Broncos and I have several people who I keep in touch with that really help me when it comes to formulating my drafts and seeing what positions we'll take, not really who. That's more important to me - if you get the positions narrowed down, it makes it a lot easier to pick players.
Last year, the the QB, TE and trade for Walker as possibilities in the first day in my draft preview and numerous posts before, I say I made out pretty good last year. This year for some reason seems a lot harder to predict.
ward63
03-26-2007, 08:28 PM
I think if we can drop down in the first and still get Staley, that'd be really good. I think we should go w/the Andy Reid way of drafting this year. Build on the OL and DL!!!!!!!
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 08:39 PM
I think if we can drop down in the first and still get Staley, that'd be really good. I think we should go w/the Andy Reid way of drafting this year. Build on the OL and DL!!!!!!!
I'm really leaning that way. I think our defense will be in flux as Bates figures out who he wants and what he likes. I think trying to get some good all-around players on both lines and then filling in the rest wouldn't be terrible. Then play the season and have a clearer picture of specifics we want to address by this time next year.
I'm not writing off the season, just that it's hard to see what we'll need in Bates system at this point.
BroncoInferno
03-26-2007, 09:06 PM
Your #1 and #2 are actually both perfect fits for the Bates scheme. Playing the run is a secondary function for DEs in his scheme; that responsibility primarily falls to the massive DTs controlling the middle and the LBs crashing in to clean up the trash. The primary responsibity of the DEs are to one-gap and rush up-field as agressively as possible and make plays in the backfield. Both Spencer and (especially) Moss are prototype fits for that style of play and would be solid options at #21. I wasn't excited about Moss initially because of how thin he is, but he has the frame to grow and should upgrade the pass rush immediately. People are skeptical about Spencer because he's a little light in the saddle, but that man made an exceptional number of plays in the backfield; that level of production coupled with his excellent burst upfield and nonstop motor make him a very good option for this defense.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 09:17 PM
People are skeptical about Spencer because he's a little light in the saddle, but that man made an exceptional number of plays in the backfield; that level of production coupled with his excellent burst upfield and nonstop motor make him a very good option for this defense in the third round
Fixed your post.
Mediator12
03-26-2007, 09:17 PM
Like Big Guy said, most of these kids (who are just kids in high school) rarely have seen some of these kids play. I love college football, but I can guarantee you I have not studied more than maybe a round or so of guys extensively. I know a lot about prospects, but not enough to give a detailed scouting report for each and every one. I feel comfortable that I know enough to make a detailed round one mock, and perhaps an additional round or two. Very few of the people out there have access to tape, and I'd wager than 95% of them haven't seen more than one game of every prospect they have going in the first round.
A lot of the stuff is ridiculous, and when you see people posting on forums - (like Football's Future) they tend to get their input from the more respected fans of individual teams. Most of the kids on here copy eachother and throw **** against a wall to see if it will stick.
I didn't even do a full-round mock last year to submit to any constest, I don't bother wasting my time. I care about what the Broncos do really, and only the Broncos and I have several people who I keep in touch with that really help me when it comes to formulating my drafts and seeing what positions we'll take, not really who. That's more important to me - if you get the positions narrowed down, it makes it a lot easier to pick players.
Last year, the the QB, TE and trade for Walker as possibilities in the first day in my draft preview and numerous posts before, I say I made out pretty good last year. This year for some reason seems a lot harder to predict.
This year the needs are in flux as there are coaching changes, major FA acquisitions, Trades and potential trades, and scheme changes. Reporters joke that Dove Valley is locked up tighter than the pentagon during an episode of 24. Add that to the mix, and even understanding the current needs and desires of Mike and Ted is a bitch. One thing is for sure, they never fail to surprise ;D
BroncoInferno
03-26-2007, 09:38 PM
Fixed your post.
The only thing not to like about Spencer is his size, which for Bates' scheme really isn't that big of a problem because the primary concern of his ends are getting upfield, not power run responsibility. Other than his size, his production and motor are second to none.
Requiem
03-26-2007, 09:38 PM
Oh believe me, I won't be surprised if we flash on at #6 after Arizona picks this year and take someone. I really wouldn't put it past them. When the team starts meeting on April 2nd for draft ****, I'd expect a move up or down (for positioning) to be made in a week or so, as far as positioning goes.
Rohirrim
03-26-2007, 10:16 PM
Maners are like a bunch of kids in the back seat. They don't want to sit still.
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? ;D
Really, the same thing happens every year. The key is, none of us know what the Broncos' draft board looks like. Let's say (for example) they have Meachem as the #2 WR on their board, worth a top fifteen pick, and he's there at 21 - and on their board, he's the only top fifteen left? Then he may become the BPA and they take him. What if they rate Staley or Harrell as top twenty picks? We don't know.
elsid13
03-26-2007, 10:19 PM
Oh believe me, I won't be surprised if we flash on at #6 after Arizona picks this year and take someone. I really wouldn't put it past them. When the team starts meeting on April 2nd for draft ****, I'd expect a move up or down (for positioning) to be made in a week or so, as far as positioning goes.
I would have agreed with you if Wilson had been traded. I have strong feeling the FO was attempting add draft picks to move up to the top 10 and have additional picks later in the draft. A couple of thirds and fourth.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 10:21 PM
The only thing not to like about Spencer is his size, which for Bates' scheme really isn't that big of a problem because the primary concern of his ends are getting upfield, not power run responsibility. Other than his size, his production and motor are second to none.
Second to none? Well shoot, he should be the first end off board, then!
Barry Ramey
03-26-2007, 10:34 PM
This one has Branch slipping to #21 and the Broncos taking him.
http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm
BroncoInferno
03-26-2007, 10:36 PM
Second to none? Well shoot, he should be the first end off board, then!
26 tackles for loss...find me more than a couple of Divison 1-A DEs that match that in this draft (hell, find me one)...motor is obviously debatable, but he has a strong one, no question about that.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 10:40 PM
This one has Branch slipping to #21 and the Broncos taking him.
http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm
That's a very different draft but I like where he went with a lot of those picks. I like where he has some of those picks in terms of value - Like Adrian Peterson out of the top ten. I don't think that would happen, but I think given his injuries and mileage it makes more sense. He also has us taking Brandon Siler in round two. That's the first Mock I've seen that has us addressing a position that is probably more realistic.
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 10:41 PM
26 tackles for loss...find me more than a couple of Divison 1-A DEs that match that in this draft (hell, find me one)...motor is obviously debatable, but he has a strong one, no question about that.
My problem with Spencer is that he seems like another Elvis Dumervil except with better size and fewer moves. Obviously Elvis worked out ok, but we're talking about a second day pick here.
I honestly think Spencer will at best be a backup outside linebacker in a 3-4 somewhere. That's all I see him as. Even Freeney is built more stoutly than Spencer.
-Slap-
03-26-2007, 10:48 PM
Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)
Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/) – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgXKWxD8PTDcIqvE0X8bjyZDubYF?slug=jm-mockdraft032207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Yugo would be an equally horrendous pick @ 21.
BroncoInferno
03-26-2007, 10:56 PM
Yugo would be an equally horrendous pick @ 21.
LOL Yugo
Kaylore
03-26-2007, 10:59 PM
Ugoh reads like George Foster.
WABronco
03-26-2007, 11:35 PM
My problem with Spencer is that he seems like another Elvis Dumervil except with better size and fewer moves. Obviously Elvis worked out ok, but we're talking about a second day pick here.
I honestly think Spencer will at best be a backup outside linebacker in a 3-4 somewhere. That's all I see him as. Even Freeney is built more stoutly than Spencer.
Spencer is more explosive than Dumervil...both in the short area and in long speed.
He can bullrush and speedrush. Makes plays all along the line. He's a weight room beast. 6-2, 261 isn't terribly undersized for a rushend.
Requiem
03-27-2007, 09:06 AM
He's 1/8 of an inch from 6'3 - so i'd call him 6'3.
Steve Prefontaine
03-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Honestly I haven't seen much of Spencer, so take this for it's worth.
I've only seen him play the last couple of years against Notre Dame. I don't remember if it was this year's game or last year, but Spencer absolutely destroyed Ryan Harris. He was disruptive the entire game from start to finish. I remember thinking that he should have just threw on a ND jersey for how much he was in their backfield.
Honestly I haven't seen much of Spencer, so take this for it's worth.
I've only seen him play the last couple of years against Notre Dame. I don't remember if it was this year's game or last year, but Spencer absolutely destroyed Ryan Harris. He was disruptive the entire game from start to finish. I remember thinking that he should have just threw on a ND jersey for how much he was in their backfield.
Ryan Harris shouldn't be the litmus test for DE quality though. He's probably not even a first day pick at this point. Slow, narrow, not very strong. Good fundamentals and I think he could work out well in our zone blocking system, but he's struggled against the better DEs in college for his entire career.
Sadly he was the best OL ND had last year.
Steve Prefontaine
03-27-2007, 12:04 PM
Ryan Harris shouldn't be the litmus test for DE quality though. He's probably not even a first day pick at this point. Slow, narrow, not very strong. Good fundamentals and I think he could work out well in our zone blocking system, but he's struggled against the better DEs in college for his entire career.
Sadly he was the best OL ND had last year.
Yeah, like I said, take it for what it's worth. Since I've only seen 2 games with Spencer and they were both against Harris, it's the only comparison I have for you.
Is Harris the best OT in the draft? No. But he's going to be drafted in the middle rounds and he was a solid player in college. Harris is definitely not the the biggest or strongest guy, but he's pretty agile with good technique. Since Spencer is a speed rusher, I was impressed with how Spencer dominated.
goldengopher1976
03-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Not sure that the 6 slot is going to be open much longer.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052
(Briggs to Skins for a swap of first round picks)
If that's the case, who else would that leave as a potential partner to move up? Detroit at the 2 seems like an impossibility at this point, in which case, if there's to be movement, it would be down before the draft or up on the day of. Now that I've said that, we are hopefully nearing a prediction of every possible scenario so that on draft day we can all feel like collectively we were close...;D
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-27-2007, 01:23 PM
Well, one team looking to possibly move down that has not been discussed is Carolina with the 14th pick. Not sure who the target would be there? Willis, Brown, ???
goldengopher1976
03-27-2007, 02:27 PM
If Willis is there at 14, I would think Carolina might seriously consider taking him, since Dan Morgan is unable to stay healthy. I could very easily see us moving up to 14 if one of our targets is available and an amenable agreement can be reached. Of course, that statement would be true for any such scenario.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-27-2007, 02:32 PM
No doubt Carolina would take Willis - they are to the point of desperation at LB. If they move down, it will be a draft day trade and Willis if Willis is gone.
At the end of the 1st round, I like Griffen more then anybody else. I think if we shipped Bly to New Orleans (since they keep calling) straight up for their #27 pick, we use that on Griffen and trade our 3rd and 1st to move up to get Carriker. Works for me.
goldengopher1976
03-28-2007, 04:22 AM
At the end of the 1st round, I like Griffen more then anybody else. I think if we shipped Bly to New Orleans (since they keep calling) straight up for their #27 pick, we use that on Griffen and trade our 3rd and 1st to move up to get Carriker. Works for me.
And Foxworth starts? I like your draft targets, but I'm not sure we wouldn't just see a lot of games where the left side of the defense is exploited all the way down the field. Don't get me wrong, I like Foxworth. I just like him a lot better at Nickleback.
No doubt Carolina would take Willis - they are to the point of desperation at LB. If they move down, it will be a draft day trade and Willis if Willis is gone.that makes sents to me two.
Kaylore
03-28-2007, 01:48 PM
No doubt Carolina would take Willis - they are to the point of desperation at LB. If they move down, it will be a draft day trade and Willis if Willis is gone.
Buffalo will take Willis. Book it.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-28-2007, 02:03 PM
Buffalo will take Willis. Book it.
They haven't demonstrated that level of intelligence lately :)
Kaylore
03-28-2007, 02:17 PM
They haven't demonstrated that level of intelligence lately :)
I just think with Spikes and Clements leaving, and London Fletcher having his best days behind him, they'll probably look to upgrade their defense.
AboveAverage
03-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Kaylore, would you change your stance on WR in round 1 if my pipe dream came to fruition and we landed CJ? Just a snowball's chance, and would take the acquisition of the #2 overall pick, but still....
Kaylore
03-28-2007, 04:22 PM
Kaylore, would you change your stance on WR in round 1 if my pipe dream came to fruition and we landed CJ? Just a snowball's chance, and would take the acquisition of the #2 overall pick, but still....
CJ is the best player in the draft. He's the only receiver I'd accept in round one.
Hopefully this Bly deal will kill of any talk of a CB in round one.
elsid13
03-28-2007, 07:40 PM
CJ is the best player in the draft. He's the only receiver I'd accept in round one.
Hopefully this Bly deal will kill of any talk of a CB in round one.
I think you're are underrating both Meachem and Bowe as WR in the first. Both have nice potential to help Denver in its 3rd WR sets.
Kaylore
03-28-2007, 07:42 PM
I think you're are underrating both Meachem and Bowe as WR in the first. Both have nice potential to help Denver in its 3rd WR sets.
No I'm not. I like both of the LSU receivers, however our other needs are more serious. You really want to waste the first pick in the draft on a potential third receiver? Please...
elsid13
03-28-2007, 07:51 PM
No I'm not. I like both of the LSU receivers, however our other needs are more serious. You really want to waste the first pick in the draft on a potential third receiver? Please...
I have no problem taking a impact player in WR position if the right DE/DT isn't there, especial with the desire of this team OC to play more 3 WR sets. and as I stated before beyond Walker the rest WR corp isn't a sure thing.
After the top 3 Dline (Adams, Anderson, and Branch) players I don't see much of difference in any of the players that Denver will be able to select in the 2 and 3 round in that positon and at the 21 slot. Same goes with both safety and offense tackle. In fact I do think Denver will get more bang for money with some of the players in later rounds.
eddie mac
03-28-2007, 09:44 PM
I just think with Spikes and Clements leaving, and London Fletcher having his best days behind him, they'll probably look to upgrade their defense.
London-Fletcher's a Redskin bro.
Ray Finkle
03-28-2007, 09:56 PM
War Room Mock....It's growing on me...
1 21 (21) D. Jarrett
WR
USC
2 24 (56) L. Woodley
DE
Michigan
3 6 (70) J. Marten
T
Boston Coll.
3 22 (86) J. Gattis
S
Wake For.
elsid13
03-28-2007, 10:14 PM
War Room Mock....It's growing on me...
1 21 (21) D. Jarrett WR USC
2 24 (56) L. Woodley DE Michigan
3 6 (70) J. Marten T Boston Coll.
3 22 (86) J. Gattis S Wake For.
Like a fungus huh? ;D
I really don't like Jarrett chances in the pro, I believe he will struggle big time. I don't think he fast enough to get deep or strong enough to beat press coverage
Arkie
03-28-2007, 10:26 PM
Ugoh reads like George Foster.
Ugoh is a much better reader than Foster. Ugoh made the SEC's honor roll. ;)
mattob14
03-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Like a fungus huh? ;D
I really don't like Jarrett chances in the pro, I believe he will struggle big time. I don't think he fast enough to get deep or strong enough to beat press coverage
Plus, he doesn't fit what we need in our offense: a fast deep threat who can stretch the defense.