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Dudeskey
03-25-2007, 02:58 PM
I'll give the CSPD this much credit, they did refrain from busting out the tear gas unlike February of '03... (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1432.htm) But it doesn't change the double-standard in which this was treated.... I'm sooo glad I don't live in that ****in' town anymore...

http://www.csindy.com/csindy/current/news.html

Reign on our parade
Nursing fresh wounds, the city wonders what's next
by Michael de Yoanna

Almost a week after marchers wearing T-shirts with peace symbols were kicked out of the local St. Patrick's Day parade, another kind of procession continues.
It includes independent investigations by police, the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado and peace activists; photographs and videotape, which raise questions about the actions of Colorado Springs police; and promises by parade chairman John O'Donnell to ensure "this never happens again."

And of course, this procession is led by the parade marchers who allege that they were injured during an assault on their free speech.

During the incident last Saturday in which seven marchers were cited for failure to disperse, a police officer brandished a Taser, apparently for crowd control.

Two officers dragged a woman, who has difficulty walking, off the street, leaving her with large red abrasions that were treated at Memorial Hospital.

An officer placed a man in a hold described by marchers as a chokehold, and by police as an apparent "pressure-compliant hold."

The marchers, many in their 60s and older, claim police shoved them or twisted their arms. They say an officer broke an anti-war sign over his knee during a surreal crackdown in which the parade was waved around them and nobody, not even Mayor Lionel Rivera, stopped to help.

"We asked the mayor personally if he would do something, and he looked over his shoulder and said, "I'm busy,' and walked away," says Joshua Cabrera, a student and researcher who came to see the parade with his wife and kids.

Rivera did not return calls this week.

Pushing and shoving

The trouble began as about 45 peace-promoting marchers — making up one of dozens of parade groups — came to Tejon and St. Vrain streets holding signs such as "Peace Now" and "War is Theft."

They were preparing to "march in the parade without a permit, and ... had an anti-war message that was in violation even if they had a permit," according to the police blotter.

Police soon cuffed Eric Verlo, who displayed a parade tag on the rearview mirror of his lime-green Bookman van, and placed him on the asphalt.

Two officers also dragged Elizabeth Fineron, the van's 65-year-old passenger, along the street and away from the parade. Her pants slid down, exposing her skin, and the asphalt cut into her upper left leg and stomach.

She admits that she asked an officer for his name and badge number, with a raised voice.

"The next thing I remember was, I was on the ground and he and another policeman were dragging me across the street on my hip, on the left side of my body," says Fineron, who needs a cane because she's had both hips and knees replaced. "They kind of pushed me into the curb and walked away from me."

She was briefly hospitalized, and this week was taking pain pills.

When marcher Frank Cordaro, a 56-year-old former Catholic priest visiting from Des Moines, Iowa, saw the officers dragging Fineron on the pavement, he sat in the street, concerned by unfolding events.

"It was time to take a stand for free speech and against police brutality," Cordaro says.

When an officer told him to get up, he refused.

"I said, "I'm sorry, I can't in good conscience move,'" Cordaro says. "He just immediately put me in a headlock. Of course I complied with the guy, as he had me almost lifted off the ground around my neck. He had his finger in my temple. It was excruciating pain."

Genie Durland, 72, of Colorado Springs, alleges that an officer grabbed her roughly on the arm and aimed a Taser at marchers.

"[Officers] were very rough," she says.

Bill Durland, 75, an attorney and co-chair of the ACLU's local chapter, alleges that police twisted his arm, and says it still hurt earlier this week. After he was pulled from the parade, a medic checked him for his heart condition.

Betty Kerwin, 73, showed arm bruises Monday that she alleges occurred when police confronted her. Others, including Esther Kisamore, 67, complained of being shoved by officers.

'Social issues' at issue

Police Chief Richard Myers, out of town this week and unavailable for comment, is aware of the situation and supportive of the department's internal affairs investigation, says Deputy Chief Steve Liebowitz.

"We are in the middle of our investigative process," Liebowitz says.

Fourteen of the 35 officers working the parade responded to the scene of the arrests.

Liebowitz disputes marchers' allegations that police failed to give clear dispersal orders, stating that witnesses have indicated otherwise.

He also says photos could be misconstrued, including the one with an officer's arms wrapped around Cordaro.

"For the untrained eye, if somebody were looking at that, they would think that that was a chokehold, which is how it is being described by the people that are involved in this, and that is not actually the case," Liebowitz says. "This is a pressure-compliant hold that the officer is deploying or utilizing."

As for the use of the Taser, which several people said made a clicking sound, he says it was never fired. However, it may have been un-holstered to keep the crowd moving, he says.

Meanwhile, Verlo maintains he did nothing wrong. He says he paid $60 to enter the parade.

Verlo and several marchers maintain that in 2006, a similar group marched with a similar message, without incident.

"Some of us wore the same shirts we had last year," Verlo says. "Maybe this year, we were a little more direct in speaking out against the Iraq war."

Parade chairman John O'Donnell says the anti-war message violated written policy banning "social issues" at the parade. He says Verlo's application said he was coming with his Bookman van, which distributes books to children, and did not mention signs.

"They lied," O'Donnell says. "My opinion was that they did this intentionally to get press."

Verlo says his group did not plan to protest, and that the group's message was visible prior to the parade's start. He wondered why organizers didn't approach earlier with concerns.

"We would have put the signs away," Verlo says. "No problem."

O'Donnell says he is working with the parade committee on a solution to prevent such problems in the future, but could provide no details earlier this week.

"I am very, very, very concerned about what happened, from all angles," he says.

The ACLU is contacting people involved in the incident, says ACLU legal director Mark Silverstein. The organization could pursue a range of actions, from defending arrestees to "filing a civil suit to vindicate the rights of those who were adversely affected by the police action," he adds.

The arrested marchers, dubbed the St. Patrick's Day Seven, are considering legal options. Others are simmering over the parade's position against allowing marchers with social issues.

Kyndra Wilson, a Springs resident and witness stunned by how police responded, says the parade's policy appeared hypocritical.

"There were Hooters girls there," she says, raising concern for her daughter. "Don't get me started on the social message there."

"My goodness gracious, who are they kidding?" Cordaro asks. "They had Democratic and Republican candidates in the parade. More than that, they had uniformed military personnel representing armed forces. They even had young children dressed in military clothing. So if pro-war is a non-political statement and peace is a political and social statement, then there is something very, very wrong with the cultural climate of Colorado Springs." "My goodness gracious, who are they kidding?" Cordaro asks. "They had Democratic and Republican candidates in the parade. More than that, they had uniformed military personnel representing armed forces. They even had young children dressed in military clothing. So if pro-war is a non-political statement and peace is a political and social statement, then there is something very, very wrong with the cultural climate of Colorado Springs."

Fineron worries about the broader message.

"There's something in this town that we can't say the word "peace,'" she says. "We heard a policeman — I don't know who it was — say that it was very inappropriate. What do you mean, the word "peace' is inappropriate? People can differ on how they want to get there, but isn't that why the soldiers are there — to bring peace to the Middle East? To bring peace in the world?

"Don't we all hope for peace eventually?"

Spider
03-25-2007, 03:01 PM
pretty much typical actions from a police dept ......

Dudeskey
03-25-2007, 03:07 PM
pretty much typical actions from a police dept ......

Thats what scares me

Spider
03-25-2007, 04:24 PM
I see a cop that needs help , I just turn the other way and continue on doing what I was doing .........

Bronco Bob
03-25-2007, 04:58 PM
Wonder how many posts go by before the Bushies chime in to cheer on the cops?

Dudeskey
03-25-2007, 07:18 PM
I see a cop that needs help , I just turn the other way and continue on doing what I was doing .........

Thats what I did whenever I saw a California Highway patrol cruiser w/ a flat tire... keep going because those nazis would probably want to see my logs and **** after I helped them.

Spider
03-25-2007, 07:47 PM
Thats what I did whenever I saw a California Highway patrol cruiser w/ a flat tire... keep going because those nazis would probably want to see my logs and **** after I helped them.

exactly ..... and they would , I was in Utah Hwy 6 back in 2005 , came upon a bad accident involving a truck and a car , the after math was horrid , I was doing what I could to give CPR , flagging down other cars , to no avail the guy had a heart attack utah state patrol rolls up , deals with the injured tells me to stay put ........ after everything was cleared , he DOTed me on the spot ..............

theAPAOps5
03-25-2007, 07:52 PM
You are all just Bush haters..................

: Ducks for cover :

Just kidding, it sucks how the boys in blue who are tasked with protecting our civil rights find themselves violating them way too frequently. C. Springs is a military town and I believe that had something to do with it. Many police officers are former military down there. However, that doesn't excuse it and draggin a woman who is handicapped is just plain appalling.

Spider
03-25-2007, 07:54 PM
You are all just Bush haters..................

: Ducks for cover :

Just kidding, it sucks how the boys in blue who are tasked with protecting our civil rights find themselves violating them way too frequently. C. Springs is a military town and I believe that had something to do with it. Many police officers are former military down there. However, that doesn't excuse it and draggin a woman who is handicapped is just plain appalling.

sure is Bro .................

alkemical
03-26-2007, 09:13 AM
God my brain hurts.

defenseman
03-26-2007, 09:28 AM
Some real quality reporting there....dman

Bronco_Beerslug
03-26-2007, 09:35 AM
Some real quality reporting there....dmanA real quality post there.

defenseman
03-26-2007, 09:43 AM
A real quality post there.

I thought so too, thanks..dman

Spider
03-26-2007, 09:47 AM
Some real quality reporting there....dman
you advocate mistreating the disabled ?

alkemical
03-26-2007, 09:52 AM
if the peace protesters were doing nothing harmful and just marching, i don't see why physical removal would be required. That is what is required of an enlightened society: The ability to use peaceful demonstrations to "advertise" your message.

What next, shooting some college kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings)?

defenseman
03-26-2007, 10:00 AM
you advocate mistreating the disabled ?

You are assuming the reporting is completely factual. I don't...dman

*Knee and hip replacement? What the hell is she doing out there to begin with. And, is that the whole story? In addition, knee and hip replacement isn't handicapped, it does appear though she may have been on the mend. If so, call it what it is, not freaking handicapped. My brother is handicapped, not this lady.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-26-2007, 10:02 AM
You are assuming the reporting is completely factual. I don't...dmanWhy? This isn't a Fox News report.

defenseman
03-26-2007, 10:03 AM
Why? This isn't a Fox News report.

Fox bends it just like the rest of them. I don't trust any of them for the most part...dman

Spider
03-26-2007, 10:08 AM
You are assuming the reporting is completely factual. I don't...dman

*Knee and hip replacement? What the hell is she doing out there to begin with. And, is that the whole story? In addition, knee and hip replacement isn't handicapped, it does appear though she may have been on the mend. If so, call it what it is, not freaking handicapped. My brother is handicapped, not this lady.


Two officers dragged a woman, who has difficulty walking, off the street, leaving her with large red abrasions that were treated at Memorial Hospital. Maybe we can get a cage match between her and your Brother to find out who is more disabled .....

defenseman
03-26-2007, 10:10 AM
Maybe we can get a cage match between her and your Brother to find out who is more disabled .....

Not very funny spide, not funny at all. My bro has dealt with having one leg since birth. Not very classy at all....dman

Bronco_Beerslug
03-26-2007, 10:11 AM
Police seek witnesses to parade arrests (http://www.gazette.com/onset?id=20361&template=article.html)
THE GAZETTE
March 20, 2007 - 1:16AM

Colorado Springs police say they want to hear from people who saw peace activists arrested last weekend at the St. Patrick’s Day Parade.

“If you have photographs or video, we would like to see them,” spokesman Lt. Rafael Cintron said.


http://www.gazette.com/pictures/1174402321-00drag.jpg
Eric Verlo and Esther Kisamore were among those arrested Saturday at the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. (PHOTO COURTESY ERIC BARKER )



The seven arrested on suspicion of failing to disperse, a misdemeanor, were marching Saturday with about 40 other people with the Pikes Peak Justice and Peace Commission. The group had a permit to march under the name The Bookman, a business owned by PPJPC Chairman Eric Verlo.

When parade organizers saw the group’s anti-war signs about two blocks into the downtown parade, they asked police to make the activists leave. Most complied, but some sat in the road, police said.

Activist Elizabeth Fineron, 65, was dragged across the street by police after she got into what she described as “a heated discussion” with officers. At least three others in the group were bruised after police grabbed them.

Activists said Monday that police didn’t give them enough time to disperse before arresting people. Officers said they gave several orders for people to leave.

Police hadn’t received any formal complaints by Monday afternoon, Cintron said, but an internal investigation is under way.

Thirty-five officers were assigned to the parade, and 14 were involved in the arrests, Cintron said.

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Letters - Tuesday (http://www.gazette.com/onset?id=20364&template=article.html)
March 20, 2007 - 1:20AM

PARADING POLITICS
Police, parade organizers silenced war’s critics

Please allow me to clarify the actions of the peaceful marchers at the St. Patrick’s Day parade. My fellow participants sat down, not to block the path of the parade, but to resist the rough-handed treatment of me and Esther Kisamore who were being thrown to the ground by an official with his police badge obscured. This officer yelled at us to get out of the parade, without telling us on whose authority. He was commanded us to furl our banners, grabbing three which he broke over his knee. All of this is documented on videos.

He then tried to wrestle away the keys of the bookmobile which I was driving. He pulled me from the truck, pinned me to the ground, and threw Kisamore on top of me as she was urging for calm, to the horror of the young children marching with us and the hundreds watching.

Who decided our peace message was any more political than the political candidates, political parties, or pro-war organizations parading their ethics in the St. Patrick’s Day festivities? In the spirit of the occasion we purposefully refrained from our usual calls for President Bush’s impeachment or trial on charges of war crimes.

What parade organizer, or police squad, has the right to squelch our voices?

We sincerely regret the traumatic scene witnessed by so many children. Yet maybe it provided a teachable moment. They saw erstwhile Officer Friendly revealed as an unbridled authoritarian brute, baring Tasers and choke holds to enforce someone’s subjective political opinion. Before their young eyes, freedom of speech in America was manhandled and thrown to the curb.

Eric Verlo
Owner, Bookman Bookmobile
Colorado Springs

Spider
03-26-2007, 10:15 AM
Not very funny spide, not funny at all. My bro has dealt with having one leg since birth. Not very classy at all....dman

so how do you know your brother is worse off then she is ?
we could get into this who has it worse , I have a blind uncle that that doesnt have use of his left arm , and married to the ugliest woman you ever saw ..........therefore I say we get a cage match between your Brother and my uncle ( with his wife as a coach of course ) ..........

TailgateNut
03-26-2007, 10:26 AM
I feel this is only "the beginning" of many more of these types of occurances. Considering the differences of opinion regarding the war and various other political positions.

Identify the officers/ culprits, charge them and during testimony identify who ordered them to use force, and charge them also.....

defenseman
03-26-2007, 10:37 AM
I feel this is only "the beginning" of many more of these types of occurances. Considering the differences of opinion regarding the war and various other political positions.

Identify the officers/ culprits, charge them and during testimony identify who ordered them to use force, and charge them also.....

"charge" is the operative word. However, the press will "convict" them, I'll gaurantee you that. Whether they are guilty or not is of no consequence to them and others who 'want' them to be guilty, therefore they must be..dman

bendog
03-26-2007, 04:43 PM
The Springs has been turned into a place where neither dissent, nor non-conformity, will be tolerated. Just as the Air Academy is plagued with RW fundamentalists Christians who cannot tolerate serving with people who don't see the unerring word of God, as interpreted by the fundamentalists.

That's one of the few remaining things I could like about McCain. He'd kick ass on that crap, and kick ass on anybody who said he was mean to christians.

Bronco Bob
03-26-2007, 10:04 PM
NIZHNY NOVGOROD, Russia - Riot police wielding truncheons broke up an
opposition rally in a central Russian city on Saturday, detaining dozens of
activists and beating some of them in the third major crackdown on a
demonstration in recent months.

The activists focused on local issues but also accused the Kremlin of stifling
free speech, silencing dissent and depriving them of a free and fair political
process ahead of December parliamentary elections and next year's presidential vote.

Authorities had not given permission for the rally in a central square in Nizhny
Novgorod, saying a demonstration could only take place far from the city
center. Hundreds of riot police in full gear cordoned off the central square.

Still, organizer Natalya Morar said, several hundred protesters managed to
hold a short rally — dubbed the March of Those Who Disagree — near the
central square until police dragged them into buses that took them to police stations.

An Associated Press photographer saw dozens of protesters taken into
custody by police and some beaten with truncheons. The photographer was
briefly detained by officers, who later released him, saying there had been a mistake.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/ap_on_re_eu/russia_opposition_march;_ylt=ApqgrCbf0wHYuijI4s9no XR0bBAF

But hey , stuff like that only happens in those godless foreign countries.
Here in America we have freedom of speech, don't we.


They were preparing to "march in the parade without a permit, and ... had an
anti-war message that was in violation even if they had a permit," according
to the (Colorado Springs) police blotter.

TailgateNut
03-26-2007, 10:30 PM
But hey , stuff like that only happens in those godless foreign countries.
Here in America we have freedom of speech, don't we.

...as long as we have the approval of the "Freedom Police"...... we must show "resolve", we must show fear (not only of our enemies but also of our president), we must not question, we must believe, we must support, we must not hold anyone accountable, we must be patient(at least until they are gone,because eventually someone has to clean up after the party).................

Dudeskey
03-27-2007, 12:26 PM
I feel this is only "the beginning" of many more of these types of occurances. Considering the differences of opinion regarding the war and various other political positions.

Identify the officers/ culprits, charge them and during testimony identify who ordered them to use force, and charge them also.....

Man, its already happening... Denver PD has been photographing demonstrators and keeping files for a while, but supposedly DPD was going to stop those activities (or so they say)...
http://www.aclu.org/police/spying/index.html

Pretty scary

alkemical
03-27-2007, 12:53 PM
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0604,murphy,71899,5.html

Who's Watching?
NYC activist groups react to new NYPD spy tactics
by Jarrett Murphy
January 24th, 2006 11:16 AM

The Voice reported last month that lawyers who have for decades challenged NYPD surveillance of activist groups are taking issue with a new police policy that allows widespread videotaping of political expression ("The Spying Game," December 13). A few days later The New York Times revealed videotape evidence of undercover cops not only watching political events like Critical Mass rallies, but also participating in and even manipulating them.