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alkemical
03-23-2007, 11:03 AM
http://www.powells.com/review/2007_03_22

Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think
by Brian Wansink
The Survival of the Fattest
A Review by Cass R. Sunstein & Richard H. Thaler

I.

The idea of "the survival of the fittest" is one of the most powerful organizing principles in all of science. That simple idea, stated by Herbert Spencer on the basis of Charles Darwin's work and later endorsed by Darwin himself, captures the theory of evolution, the process of natural selection, and a host of associated notions. And yet the phrase can produce confusion. Some people think that survival of the fittest implies that species will be ever improving, and that those still around today will be well-designed machines, smart, efficient, and, well, "fit." But Darwin was focused on reproductive success, and nothing in his work suggests that surviving species are particularly smart or, in any global sense, fit.

A visit to Darwin's beloved Galápagos Islands drives this point home. The famous blue-footed booby got its name because of its apparent stupidity. The bird would land on the decks of sailing ships and allow itself to be captured with a lunge from a drunken sailor. (On the islands the birds have essentially no predators and thus no need to be wary.) The giant tortoises are slow-footed, and if they are flipped over onto their backs they have no way of righting themselves. (They never had to cope with teenage boys.) And many of the Galápagos species lean to the chubby side. Bull sea lions have figures resembling NFL nose tackles and can weigh more than eight hundred pounds. The waved albatross can fly enormous distances and withstand very cold water, but it has enough padding that it cannot get airborne without the aid of a wind or a cliff. On a calm day, even a running (er, waddling) start is not enough for it to attain lift-off.

Yet all these animals have survived because they were well-suited to their environment -- as long as that environment did not change. The giant tortoises were wiped out on some of the islands because of the introduction of two new species brought by human beings. Goats were faster at eating the grasses favored by the tortoises, and rats (who seem to follow people everywhere) soon acquired a taste for tortoise eggs. Tortoises were as slow and large as ever (they can live for months without food or water), but they were no longer fit enough. In an unchanging environment, natural selection can lead to the survival of the fattest. But if things change, the fat can be in big trouble.

Which brings us to the current state of the American waistline. Over the past few decades, many Americans have grown fat and are growing fatter. More than 27 percent of us are obese. This is a genuine personal and social problem, because obesity is associated with heart disease, diabetes, and many other life-threatening conditions. Why are so many Americans fat? At one level the explanation is rather simple. We gain weight when we consume more calories than we burn. So any theory for why we are gaining weight has to explain why we are eating more, exercising less, or both. A traditional economic argument would be based on rational calculations and technological change. Innovations in packaging, preserving, and cooking have greatly decreased the time it takes to prepare food. And if you lower the cost of something, rational consumers will buy more of it. American consumers eat more, and more often, than they did fifty years ago. Technology has also made it easier for us to avoid exercise. Many of us ride an elevator down to our car, drive to work, and then ride another elevator up to our office. The most strenuous exercise we exert is at the keyboard, or hoisting a glass. According to this view, obesity is a rational choice. When faced with the choice of swapping a Big Mac for an apple or climbing the stairs instead of riding, some people buy a larger pair of pants instead.

alkemical
03-23-2007, 11:03 AM
"The initial problem is that if we see food, we are likely to eat it, even if we aren't hungry. People tend to eat whatever is put in front of them. Wansink demonstrates this point through a series of somewhat mischievous experiments, some of which would have been great material for Candid Camera. A few years ago, moviegoers in Chicago found themselves with a free bucket of popcorn. Unfortunately, the popcorn was stale; it had been popped five days earlier and stored so as to ensure that it would actually squeak when eaten. People were not specifically informed of its staleness, but they didn't love the popcorn. As one moviegoer said, "It was like eating Styrofoam packing peanuts."

As the experiment was designed, about half of the moviegoers received a big bucket of popcorn and half received a medium-sized bucket. After the movie, Wansink asked the recipients of the big bucket whether they might have eaten more because of the size of their bucket. Most denied the possibility, saying, "Things like that don't trick me." But they were wrong. On average, recipients of the big bucket ate about 53 percent more popcorn -- even though they didn't really like it.

Another experiment required some special equipment. People sat down to a large bowl of Campbell's tomato soup and were told to eat as much as they wanted. Unbeknown to them, the soup bowls were designed to refill themselves (with empty bottoms connected to machinery beneath the table). No matter how much soup the subjects ate, the bowl never emptied. Many people just kept eating until the experiment was (mercifully) ended. "

Spider
03-23-2007, 11:22 AM
man I am down to 210 pounds , from 250 .......... I feel so much better Lost 4 inches on the waist ...... 36 down to a 32

alkemical
03-23-2007, 11:41 AM
Yeah man, several years ago (whew probably 7 years ago...) - i was up to about 350lbs. Lots of drinkin, etc.

I lost some weight, but hovered around 300#lbs.

Then i went homeless and lost 65lbs.

now i fluxuate around 240-230 alot. So i went and talked to the Dr. about it. First doctor told me that i needed to get down to 170lbs. I didn't think that i could get down to that low. I have a large frame. So i got a referal and went to another doc. He told me about 210-220 would be good weight.

He did that BMI testing, etc - so i liked the second dr's approach to actually seeing that i'm built differently.

Spider
03-23-2007, 11:47 AM
Yeah man, several years ago (whew probably 7 years ago...) - i was up to about 350lbs. Lots of drinkin, etc.

I lost some weight, but hovered around 300#lbs.

Then i went homeless and lost 65lbs.

now i fluxuate around 240-230 alot. So i went and talked to the Dr. about it. First doctor told me that i needed to get down to 170lbs. I didn't think that i could get down to that low. I have a large frame. So i got a referal and went to another doc. He told me about 210-200 would be good weight.

He did that BMI testing, etc - so i liked the second dr's approach to actually seeing that i'm built differently.

I am a large frame myself , I am still very broad ........

Bronco Bob
03-23-2007, 12:30 PM
"The initial problem is that if we see food, we are likely to eat it, even if we aren't hungry. People tend to eat whatever is put in front of them.

A big mistake parents make is to force children to "clean the plate".
This trains the kids to eat even when they are full, and after a few
years of this training, the pattern is set to eat even when they are
no longer hungry. Cleaning the plate made sense when food was
scarce and children were required to do hard physical labor, such
as farm work. But now that food is plentiful, and the most excercise
a lot of kids get is pushing the buttons on their Game Boys, it really
doesn't make much sense to force a kid to eat more than they are
hungry for. But their parents taught that to them and their parents
before them taught it to them, so today's parents just keep on
perpetuating this midguided training. Food is cheap enough today,
if the kid doesn't want to eat it, throw it away, or at the very least,
save it for later.

The Lone Bolt
03-23-2007, 01:48 PM
This is the answer to weight loss and regulation:

http://www.amazon.com/3-Hour-Diet-Low-Carb-Diets-Timing/dp/0060792299

Minimum willpower, maximum results. The most positive dieting experience ever for me, and I've adopted it as a permanent lifestyle.

Spider
03-23-2007, 03:00 PM
This is the answer to weight loss and regulation:

http://www.amazon.com/3-Hour-Diet-Low-Carb-Diets-Timing/dp/0060792299

Minimum willpower, maximum results. The most positive dieting experience ever for me, and I've adopted it as a permanent lifestyle.

get outside , raise a blister , hard ass work 8 hours a day , watch the pounds melt away

Tom H.
03-23-2007, 03:11 PM
Last September I was 204 so I started to walk three times a week. I did that for a month and switched to running 15 miles a week. Today I weigh 175 and I haven't changed my diet too much. My only rules are to drink water when i feel hungry after dinner and no sugar drinks.