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brncs_fan
03-21-2007, 11:48 AM
10 things I hate to guess about
By Woody Paige
Denver Post Staff Columnist
Article Last Updated: 03/21/2007 12:19:30 AM MDT


Almost every box delivered to Broncos Central in Dove Valley is apparently stamped: "Damaged goods."

That doesn't mean the goods won't be good, but they are slightly dented, missing a piece, broken a bit, cracked or used.

(Sounds like my luggage when it arrives at the carousel at DIA ... if it arrives.)

The Broncos have agreed to contract terms with a free- agent wide receiver who is recovering from a ruptured Achilles tendon and a broken heart.

Brandon Stokley is one of nine veteran players the Broncos have signed or traded for recently. Each is flawed, but aren't we all?

Here's the boxed set:

1. Stokley tore the tendon while playing for Indianapolis at Jacksonville on Dec. 10. He missed the playoffs and the Colts' Super Bowl victory. Insult was piled onto injury when the Colts released Stokley.

The 30-year-old possession receiver, Peyton Manning's roommate on the road and the quarterback's third-favorite target, is rehabbing and said he intends to be ready for camp in July. After suffering a similar injury in 2004, former Philadelphia Eagles wideout Todd Pinkston didn't play in 2005 and was cut in training camp last year.

Achilles, hero of the Trojan War, had the original Achilles' heel injury when his heel was pierced by an arrow from Paris (a warrior, not the city or the hotel heiress).

Achilles didn't recover well from the injury. Instead, he died.

A successful comeback by Stokley would be a boon for the Broncos and a blessing for Stokley. He caught 68 passes for 1,077 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2004. Last year, though, he played in only four games because of injuries to his ankle, his knee and, finally, his Achilles tendon, finishing with eight receptions.

The 5-foot-11 Stokley never drops a ball. I've always loved his game, and the Broncos saw him enough in three consecutive playoff losses to Baltimore and Indianapolis.

But Stokley is a reach now, not unlike some other freshly baked Broncos.

2. The Broncos signed Patrick Ramsey as their No. 2 quarterback.

He completed as many NFL passes last year as you did.

Zero.

He was drafted by Washington at the bottom of the first round in 2002, but the Redskins gave up on Ramsey before last season and traded him for a sixth-round selection.

3. New fullback Paul Smith, not to be confused with Broncos Ring of Fame defensive lineman Paul Smith, ran the ball with the St. Louis Rams as many times last year as you did.

Zero.

The oft-injured Smith has started eight games in seven seasons.

4. The Broncos traded for enormous defensive lineman Dan Wilkinson. Maybe they should put his photo on the side of a milk carton. Big Daddy is missing, not in action.

5. The Broncos signed guard Montrae Holland, who has endured knee problems since he played at Florida State. He started about 50 percent of his games with New Orleans in four years.

6. Running back Travis Henry, who was released by Tennessee and signed to large cash by the Broncos, is a one-slash, downhill thousand-yard runner, but he did have fumble and injury problems early in his career and off-the-field troubles three times. He is in the league's substance-abuse program until the third game of the season.

7. Pro Bowl cornerback Dré Bly was acquired from the Detroit Lions, but he has gone Harpo on us, declining to talk directly to the media and the public or show up in Denver. He reportedly preferred to play in D.C. How did that work out for Ramsey? Maybe Bly is afraid that every pass will be thrown in his direction, not to Champ Bailey's side. Or maybe he and Wilkinson don't plan to play in paradise.

8. Defensive lineman Alvin McKinley signed with the Broncos on Tuesday. In 2005, when Cleveland got rid of four defensive linemen and their position coach, who all wound up in Denver, McKinley became a starter with the Browns. Now, two of those Browncos and the coach are out, and McKinley is in for one of them at defensive tackle. As a defensive end, he had nine sacks in seven years, and the Browns didn't want to re-sign him.

9. Tight end Daniel Graham, who I've watched play at Thomas Jefferson High School, Colorado and New England, was signed by the Broncos. I also saw his twin brother, his older brother and his father play.

Daniel wants to play in Denver (as his dad did), talks, isn't returning from an injury, is an outstanding blocker and hasn't been a bust or been busted. What's wrong with him? Nothing that a few dozen catches won't take care of.

10? The Broncos have gambled on players, but so far, in quality and quantity of offseason moves, they must be ranked among the top six teams.

Because the other teams have gotten their own damaged goods.

Staff writer Woody Paige can be reached at 303-954-1095 or wpaige@denverpost.com.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5482881

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2007, 11:50 AM
Go back to around the pizza jackarse.

Jens1893
03-21-2007, 11:52 AM
Oh, Woody ...

fontaine
03-21-2007, 12:01 PM
In other breaking news around the NFL. . .

football players sometimes get injured, or contemplate retirement when they are older.

That is all.

bendog
03-21-2007, 12:01 PM
He was a better columnist before he got treated for bipolar or depression or whatever it was.

scorpio
03-21-2007, 12:04 PM
Well, Woody is nothing if not a realist.


19-0 baby!!

Barry Ramey
03-21-2007, 12:08 PM
What a dumbass! The Broncos didn't sign Paul Smith to run the ball.

Holland provides veteran depth, he may not even start.

Stokley got a one year contract with incentives. With a contract like that, the Broncos are not expecting the world from the guy and will be a wait and see what he can do. Hardly broke the bank.

Wilkinson and Bly not showing great interest in being with the team is a question mark, but it's March.

McKinley is a DL brought in to compete for a spot. Nothing wrong with that since every team does this. No guarantee he makes the team.

Why what Henry did early in his career have to do with the now?

Only smart thing Woody said was about Graham.

watermock
03-21-2007, 12:14 PM
Now I remember why he is a jackass.

brncs_fan
03-21-2007, 12:20 PM
Now I remember why he is a jackass.

Aren't you usually the one in here reporting on his antics on Around the Horn?

B-Love
03-21-2007, 12:29 PM
Everyone here hates every writer.

Billy Clyde Puckett
03-21-2007, 12:32 PM
Woody is just stirring the pot to increase readership.

KipCorrington25
03-21-2007, 12:38 PM
He really hasn't said anything that inflamitory in my opinion. Yeah, these guy, like most in the NFL, have injury histories and also those injuries were a part of why they were available.

This is called bargain shopping, it's a strategy, not a curse. You know going in all won't work out but you're hoping half of them do and you move forward from there.

fdf
03-21-2007, 12:41 PM
He was a better columnist before he got treated for bipolar or depression or whatever it was.

Actually, read to the end. Woody concludes that "The Broncos have gambled on players, but so far, in quality and quantity of offseason moves, they must be ranked among the top six teams. Because the other teams have gotten their own damaged goods."

He actually puts things in pretty good perspective although he gets you going in the first part of the article.

Colostate21
03-21-2007, 12:46 PM
You guys ripping woody are idiots!! If you ever did read his columns or watched him on ESPN you would know that Woody is one of the most loyal (if not the only) Broncos supporter on National Television. Every year he picks the broncos to win and always defends them from the other East coast consumed reporters. Also keep in mind the title of this article "Ten things I hate to guess about" get your heads out of your asses and start worrying about things that actually matter

broncswin
03-21-2007, 12:49 PM
Fellas, he was just stating the obvious, I don't know how many times I have read posts about how we always pick up injured players or damaged goods. It's not like I think the guy is a good writer, but hell, he just said the same thing as nearly everyone else here :confuzzle . Doesn't mean our pickpups aren't gonna kick a$$ next year. :bronxrox:

-Slap-
03-21-2007, 01:31 PM
Everyone here hates every writer.

I like Bob Oates.

Rohirrim
03-21-2007, 01:37 PM
To me, Woody is one of the better ones in this town. I swear, if I ever bump into Kizla, I'll stuff him in the nearest trash can.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2007, 01:41 PM
You guys ripping woody are idiots!! If you ever did read his columns or watched him on ESPN you would know that Woody is one of the most loyal (if not the only) Broncos supporter on National Television. Every year he picks the broncos to win and always defends them from the other East coast consumed reporters. Also keep in mind the title of this article "Ten things I hate to guess about" get your heads out of your asses and start worrying about things that actually matter


He's an idiot.

bendog
03-21-2007, 02:57 PM
I used to like Woody. I just think he's lost his edge. I don't mind him ... though he drives me nuts on espn. He's just not as mean as he once was. He's said he's finally happy, and it shows. I'm not happy, and I'm not too dman happy that he's happy. Pretty much, I don't care.

I like legwold, and linicombe is ok. I'd likt to shove Tracey Rigelsby's hat up his ass the way he blows the feedlot boys. I don't read the post, ever, if I can help it. Krieger's ok too.

Kaylore
03-21-2007, 03:19 PM
It's good to hear both sides of every argument.

bendog
03-21-2007, 03:23 PM
It's good to hear both sides of every argument.

That's what I love about my wife. If she asks my opinion, I know I'll hear all possible sides, and all possible considerations, or whatever the issue is ... or might become.

FantomForce
03-21-2007, 03:28 PM
Woody is a dumba$$

Houshyamama
03-21-2007, 03:53 PM
Paige rocks. He may be a dumba$$, but at least he's a loyal dumba$$.

crazyhorse
03-21-2007, 04:20 PM
It's good to hear both sides of every argument.

:rofl:

You've got to be kidding.

There's perhaps no one more one sided than you are on the entire forum.

cutthemdown
03-21-2007, 04:39 PM
Woody loves to stir the pot. Some of his points are valid ones. Anyone who thinks every Broncos FA will work out is crazy. Not all these moves will be considered a good move after hindsight gets applied. The Broncos were aggressive though and for fans that makes us happy.

Odysseus
03-21-2007, 04:53 PM
Paige rocks. He may be a dumba$$, but at least he's a loyal dumba$$.

I guess the kids who don't take medications can't relate to his happy a$$. I think he's decent. He made some telling comments about how come people loved Schefter so much more than him. He came out for the Mile High and as die hard local I stopped griping about Woody. He's got the golden pass.

PLOWHORSE
03-21-2007, 05:01 PM
I like Bob Oates.

Dean Koontz:~ohyah!:

Crushaholic
03-21-2007, 05:02 PM
People griping about this article must have missed this sentence near the beginning of the piece...

That doesn't mean the goods won't be good, but they are slightly dented, missing a piece, broken a bit, cracked or used.

Everything he said is correct. I would rather take a chance that a proven veteran can get himself healthy and contribute than take a chance on a college kid who may not work out. After all, Javon worked out pretty well...

Kaylore
03-21-2007, 05:20 PM
Yeah, when it comes to player shopping Shanahan is like that guy who's always at Savers and is usually sporting one of those old plaid sports coats with the big leather patches on the elbows. ROFL!

spdirty
03-21-2007, 06:08 PM
You guys ripping woody are idiots!! If you ever did read his columns or watched him on ESPN you would know that Woody is one of the most loyal (if not the only) Broncos supporter on National Television. Every year he picks the broncos to win and always defends them from the other East coast consumed reporters. Also keep in mind the title of this article "Ten things I hate to guess about" get your heads out of your asses and start worrying about things that actually matter

Yeah. He is the best sports columnist in Denver, IMO. His columns are almost always entertaining.

Falconfan
03-21-2007, 07:24 PM
Yeah. He is the best sports columnist in Denver, IMO. His columns are almost always entertaining.

Nope, this is the Woody Page from Cold Pizza, unless he is also a Denver columnist ??? He is all wrong by the way. Any contract Stokely signed would be veteran minimum with incentives. If he signed that cheap, you can't lose, because there' no real down side.

TheReverend
03-21-2007, 07:52 PM
He needs to take Skip's cock out of his mouth so he can write a decent article... this is what he's been taking weeks working on?

where's schefter when you need him...

TheReverend
03-21-2007, 07:53 PM
Nope, this is the Woody Page from Cold Pizza, unless he is also a Denver columnist ??? He is all wrong by the way. Any contract Stokely signed would be veteran minimum with incentives. If he signed that cheap, you can't lose, because there' no real down side.

yes he also works for the post

MechanicalBull
03-21-2007, 08:12 PM
10 things I hate to guess about
By Woody Paige
Denver Post Staff Columnist
3. New fullback Paul Smith, not to be confused with Broncos Ring of Fame defensive lineman Paul Smith, ran the ball with the St. Louis Rams as many times last year as you did.

Zero.
The oft-injured Smith has started eight games in seven seasons.

Staff writer Woody Paige can be reached at 303-954-1095 or wpaige@denverpost.com.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5482881

I usually like Woody but from what I read on here and other sites is that Smith was pretty much a Special Teams signing and is pretty good at it. Guys like Smith and Quincy Morgan were brought in to help out the return games not to light up the offense.

azbroncfan
03-21-2007, 08:29 PM
The homerism is sooooo deep here that if anything is wrote somewhat negative and even the truth they resort to the default I hate the writer.

spdirty
03-21-2007, 08:37 PM
Nope, this is the Woody Page from Cold Pizza, unless he is also a Denver columnist ??? He is all wrong by the way. Any contract Stokely signed would be veteran minimum with incentives. If he signed that cheap, you can't lose, because there' no real down side.

go back to post 1 line 3, then go reread the article and then it shows the link at the bottom.

Woody is the biggest Broncos homer columnist in Denver, but when he thinks they made a questionable move, or a player rubs him the wrong way, he will state his opinion.

His homerism is enjoyable but in January '97 I wanted to kill him for his stupid homer ass bulletin board column.

Willynowei
03-21-2007, 09:05 PM
I like Woody, he's funny. Only times I ever see a writer get praised on the mane is when they write a fluff article on Champ Bailey. After the performance Champs had last year I hope theres lots of writers kissing his ass as we move forward in the offseason.

BroncoBuff
03-21-2007, 09:13 PM
Is Paul Smith really in the Ring of Fame? I liked the guy, but that's too much.

Odysseus
03-22-2007, 06:45 AM
The homerism is sooooo deep here that if anything is wrote somewhat negative and even the truth they resort to the default I hate the writer.

It's amazing what a little face paint on the weekends will do to a person.

Odysseus
03-22-2007, 06:56 AM
Yeah, when it comes to player shopping Shanahan is like that guy who's always at Savers and is usually sporting one of those old plaid sports coats with the big leather patches on the elbows. ROFL!

:rofl:

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Just sign right here and we'll see you in the playoffs and remember just because we talked today we'll give you incredible bonus prize! The direct numbers to Hot Carl and Al "I ain't sick" Davis. if we cannot get you no our team because you are seriously no good we can always get you on a lesser team for absolutely free !

Act now!

bronco militia
03-22-2007, 10:46 AM
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x123z
03-22-2007, 11:07 AM
Woody just stated the facts.

brncs_fan
03-22-2007, 11:30 AM
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/archives/drew0322toon.gif

LOL You would think it would be blatantly obvious at this point.

Odysseus
03-22-2007, 12:05 PM
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/archives/drew0322toon.gif

LOL He's right! We're freaking doooomed! ROFL!