View Full Version : Drew Boylhart 3/19 Mock Draft
Mediator12
03-21-2007, 10:39 AM
One of the best I have seen since after the Combine and Free agency. The only thing I doubt is that Branch or Okoye go in the top 10 let alone five and six overall.
Drew Boylhart 3.19
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1 Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell LSU Russell is just too impressive in his underwear
2 Lions QB Brady Quinn Notre Dame This is an upgrade at a position of need
3 Browns OT Joe Thomas Wisconsin This is like a dream come true
4 Buccaneers DE Gains Adams Clemson Pass Rush is old and getting ready to retire
5 Cardinals DT Alan Branch Michigan Watson and Branch back together again
6 Redskins DT Amobi Okoye Louisville Versatility is the key
7 Vikings WR Calvin Johnson Georgia Tech As Chandler on Friends would say - Could this draft BE any better!
8 Texans RB Adrian Peterson Oklahoma Vikings will take this kid if Johnson is not there
9 Dolphins S LaRon Landry LSU They need a leader in the DB's
10 Falcons DE Jamaal Anderson Arkansas Pass Rush is a must
11 49ers LB Patrick Willis Mississippi Nolan Coached him at the Senior Bowl and feels he is another Ray Lewis
12 Bills DE Adam Carriker Nebraska The Bills like Dwayne Bowe also and could trade down or pick him here instead
13 Rams S Reggie Nelson Florida The need a playmaker
14 Panthers TE Greg Olsen Miami Greg can catch the ball when his feet are still but can he do it when they are moving?
15 Steelers OT Levi Brown Penn St They have to protect Big Ben - It's just that simple!
16 Packers WR Ted Ginn Ohio St Need Speed at the WR position to satisfy the QB
17 Jaguars WR Robert Meacham Tennessee He has the Speed, size and talent
18 Bengals CB Leon Hill Michigan This kid will allow them to keep Madieu at safety
19 Titans WR Dwayne Jarrett USC This is a need and Chow knows him.
20 Giants LB Lawrence Timmons Florida Another LT? I don't think so! But he should be solid - They could take Staley instead
21 Broncos DE Jarvis Moss Florida This is another dream come true
22 Cowboys WR Sidney Rice South Carolina If Ginn is here then they take him - if not this kid is young but good
23 Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe LSU The Bills like this kid so he might be gone- if not he is a good fit
24 Patriots DE Anthony Spencer Purdue A smart kid that is still growing
25 N J Jets RB Marshawn Lynch California This is a bit of a surprise
26 Eagles CB Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh Young but very talented and should help on special teams
27 Saints TE Zack Miller Arizona St Brees will love this kid. He is solid and a need position
28 Patriots S Michael Griffin Texas They need a replacement for Rodney
29 Ravens LB Brandon Siler Florida This is a solid player to replace a solid player
30 Chargers S Brandon Meriweather Miami A J got rid of Marty for just this reason
31 Bears OT Joe Staley Central Michigan Joe might be the best LT in this draft & Should go sooner then this!
32 Colts LB Paul Posluszny Penn St Solid pick at a need position.
Barry Ramey
03-21-2007, 10:43 AM
At this point, if staying at #21, I'd be happy with either Moss or Spencer. I'd still like to know about Moss' character concerns and if they're legit or not.
21 Broncos DE Jarvis Moss Florida This is another dream come true A one dimensional pass rushing DE with character questions and a lack of experience is a dream come true?
If Gaines Adams slid that'd be a dream come true. Same with Jamaal Anderson, Branch, and Okoye (who I still think gets overrated because he's only 19). If the draft falls out like that I'd agree that Moss is the best player available (except Lynch but Henry/Bell answer our RB needs), but if thats the situation I'd rather trade #21 for a 2nd and an '08 first, then take Abiamiri, Crowder, or one of the many other DEs just a step behind Moss in terms of talent in the 2nd round and reap some serious pick benefits in '08.
Jens1893
03-21-2007, 10:57 AM
Some head scratchers like Calvin Johnson at 7 (Bucs should be all over him if he´s there at 4), Lynch sliding to 25 and Zack Miller going in the first round. Jarvis Moss seems to be our pick in just about every Mock Draft right now ...
Mediator12
03-21-2007, 10:58 AM
Drek, we are switching to a one gap aggresive DE system and Moss is the best outside of Gaines Adams at that in this draft. The character questions have been addressed from what I have heard in the last few days. His interviews on pro day were brutal over the Radio interview, but it was NOT what it appeared to be to the listeners. I'll get into the specifics later, but it was a doozy.
Rascal
03-21-2007, 11:03 AM
No way Calvin Johnson falls to number 7 and no way does Branch and Okoye both get taken in the top 10. Nor do I think AD will last till #8 or Lynch to #25.
IMO that mock draft is average if that.
Rascal
03-21-2007, 11:04 AM
Some head scratchers like Calvin Johnson at 7 (Bucs should be all over him if he´s there at 4), Lynch sliding to 25 and Zack Miller going in the first round. Jarvis Moss seems to be our pick in just about every Mock Draft right now ...
And therefore we won't be taking him, which is fine with me.
Barry Ramey
03-21-2007, 11:13 AM
And therefore we won't be taking him, which is fine with me.
Who would you rather have at #21?
Rascal
03-21-2007, 11:17 AM
If the draft falls like that I'd rather take Spencer or Griffin.
brncs_fan
03-21-2007, 11:30 AM
Jarvis Moss seems to be our pick in just about every Mock Draft right now ...
Carucci has Moss going @ pick 11. Wow.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10070047
Barry Ramey
03-21-2007, 12:18 PM
I would think the 49ers would go with Carriker or Willis before Moss. And like I've been saying for awhile now, I'd be happy with either Moss or Spencer at #21.
Requiem
03-21-2007, 12:24 PM
The 49ers took Manny Lawson as their rusher in the 3-4 last year, Moss for them is stupid. They need a kid like Carriker who can anchor down the line.
Drek, we are switching to a one gap aggresive DE system and Moss is the best outside of Gaines Adams at that in this draft. The character questions have been addressed from what I have heard in the last few days. His interviews on pro day were brutal over the Radio interview, but it was NOT what it appeared to be to the listeners. I'll get into the specifics later, but it was a doozy.
See, I like Moss' natural talents, and who knows, maybe Bates and Johnson know enough about DE play to develop a totally raw prospect like him in a single camp and pre-season. But if you give me the choice between Moss at #21 or trading down, getting '08 picks or more '07 top 75 picks, and still being able to take Abiamiri or Crowder I know who I'd prefer, and its the later pair. Not that I think they're better than Moss, but because I think they offer better value while also being more capable of addressing our short term needs.
Honestly I think there's a good chance Moss slides through round one, as his pro day workouts dashed a lot of team's hopes to use him as a 3-4 rush linebacker. We could probably move down to the early second and still get him.
Kaylore
03-21-2007, 05:03 PM
I don't see Calvin Johnson falling out of the top 5. That just seems silly.
Mediator12
03-22-2007, 01:21 PM
See, I like Moss' natural talents, and who knows, maybe Bates and Johnson know enough about DE play to develop a totally raw prospect like him in a single camp and pre-season. But if you give me the choice between Moss at #21 or trading down, getting '08 picks or more '07 top 75 picks, and still being able to take Abiamiri or Crowder I know who I'd prefer, and its the later pair. Not that I think they're better than Moss, but because I think they offer better value while also being more capable of addressing our short term needs.
Honestly I think there's a good chance Moss slides through round one, as his pro day workouts dashed a lot of team's hopes to use him as a 3-4 rush linebacker. We could probably move down to the early second and still get him.
If he is available in the early second, you had better get in front of TB. They would jump in circles to get Moss at 35. He would be the perfect replacement for Simeon Rice and their aging DL. As I said before, Moss does not seem to have the character issues that the radio interview suggested and he may not make it to 21 at this point though.
Rascal
03-22-2007, 01:49 PM
What proof do you have of Moss not having character issues, as everything I've seen indicates he does.
Rascal
03-22-2007, 02:01 PM
Tampa might take Harrell at 35 if Moss is there or not.
azbroncfan
03-22-2007, 07:44 PM
The 49ers took Manny Lawson as their rusher in the 3-4 last year, Moss for them is stupid. They need a kid like Carriker who can anchor down the line.
Even though they run a 4-3?
Mediator12
03-24-2007, 12:46 AM
Tampa might take Harrell at 35 if Moss is there or not.
Wanna Bet ;D
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-24-2007, 02:06 PM
Wanna Bet ;D
What do you have on harrell, Med. I think is is going to be a very good pro.
Jarvis Moss charactor issues my AZZ, forget that.... Did you see the way he mis-treated Troy Smith and the buckeyes Oline in the title game? That is what Denver needs big time.
Rascal
03-24-2007, 02:47 PM
Well Mediator never has clarified that despite saying he would.
Rascal
03-24-2007, 03:00 PM
Jarvis Moss charactor issues my AZZ, forget that.... Did you see the way he mis-treated Troy Smith and the buckeyes Oline in the title game? That is what Denver needs big time.
I thought it was Derrick Harvey that created all the havoc.
Mediator12
03-24-2007, 10:02 PM
What do you have on harrell, Med. I think is is going to be a very good pro.
Rascal knows What I am talking about ;D
Personally, its a suckers bet as Both Moss and Harrell are now projected first rounders. I like Harrell a lot, and so do scouts from what I have been told. There is no way Harrell makes it past INDY @ 32. Corey Simon is really a mess and Reagor left in FA.
As for the The Sirius radio incident with Moss, it was not what it appeared to be. Plus, he is still the second most dangerous one gap RDE in this draft. That alone is worthy of a mid first pick even if he did have character issues, which he does not.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-24-2007, 11:58 PM
Rascal knows What I am talking about ;D
Personally, its a suckers bet as Both Moss and Harrell are now projected first rounders. I like Harrell a lot, and so do scouts from what I have been told. There is no way Harrell makes it past INDY @ 32. Corey Simon is really a mess and Reagor left in FA.
As for the The Sirius radio incident with Moss, it was not what it appeared to be. Plus, he is still the second most dangerous one gap RDE in this draft. That alone is worthy of a mid first pick even if he did have character issues, which he does not.
Well, I'm not a scout, but I have seen harrell play at least a dozen times and I think he is one of those 100% effort, kick azz guys. I'd take him at 21 and laugh my way to the bank.
Rohirrim
03-25-2007, 09:50 AM
Jarvis Moss charactor issues my AZZ, forget that.... Did you see the way he mis-treated Troy Smith and the buckeyes Oline in the title game? That is what Denver needs big time.
Was that because Moss was good, or because the Buckeyes were finally shown up for the frauds they were? So far, what I know of Moss is that he had one good game.
Mediator12
03-25-2007, 12:48 PM
Was that because Moss was good, or because the Buckeyes were finally shown up for the frauds they were? So far, what I know of Moss is that he had one good game.
Then, that may have been the only game you saw him play. FL had the most active DL in the country, Arkansas was pretty good as well. He man handled LSU, TEN, Arkansas, and Alabama. That was against High level NFL quality players such as Sears and Ugoh.
The thing about Moss is that he and Harvey rotated sides a lot to keep the OL off balance. Moss opened up things for Harvey all season that Joe Cohen and McDonald did the dirty work for them both. Moss is a great rusher right now, but he is still Raw and weak in his strength and frame. Once he develops, he could be 270 and have a lot more functional strength. He is worth a first rounder as a pure pass rusher right now, but he also has the most developmental upside of any DE in the draft.
cutthemdown
03-30-2007, 06:03 AM
Some head scratchers like Calvin Johnson at 7 (Bucs should be all over him if he´s there at 4), Lynch sliding to 25 and Zack Miller going in the first round. Jarvis Moss seems to be our pick in just about every Mock Draft right now ...
and i thought i was original
bap454
03-30-2007, 10:48 AM
The question now is; if Lynch is avaliable at #21.... do we take him. This seems to be a possibility with all the questions about his back. I believe we jump on the chance, even with our current solid backfield!?
Also what is the reasoning behind moss's excuse for his poor interview? I have not heard an explanation yet.:ouwknow:
Then, that may have been the only game you saw him play. FL had the most active DL in the country, Arkansas was pretty good as well. He man handled LSU, TEN, Arkansas, and Alabama. That was against High level NFL quality players such as Sears and Ugoh.
The thing about Moss is that he and Harvey rotated sides a lot to keep the OL off balance. Moss opened up things for Harvey all season that Joe Cohen and McDonald did the dirty work for them both. Moss is a great rusher right now, but he is still Raw and weak in his strength and frame. Once he develops, he could be 270 and have a lot more functional strength. He is worth a first rounder as a pure pass rusher right now, but he also has the most developmental upside of any DE in the draft.
You know Med, I've argued with you about Moss before but I got to take it back, relevance of the character issues aside, he's one of the best picks we could make at #21 without getting a slider.
Assuming Branch, Landry, Willis, etc. doesn't fall to us I'm hoping we take Moss, Harrell, or Nelson in that order.
I think Nelson is the most NFL ready but there are some quality safeties who are more physical later in this draft. To me Moss is the least NFL ready of the three and I'd still take him first because he's got the highest ceiling and is the best fit for immediate impact in our system.
Harrell is a very polished DT but we shouldn't expect any rookie to step in and start day one, he'd be a situational guy and I don't see any one facet of his game that is unquestionably NFL level. Moss' pass rush skills clearly are, and while his lack of strength and size are only going to hurt him on running downs thats something we can gameplan and adjust for.
Its not rare for rookie DEs to go out and have 10 sack first seasons, I could see Moss doing that. What really got me to come around though is thinking about how we can best nullify his running game weaknesses. By simply swapping DJ and Gold back to where they should have been all along. DJ is a big, fast, powerful tackler who would only shine given the opportunities to freelance behind a pass rusher like Moss. He can make run stopping plays behind the LOS like few other LBs in the league and we'll have a solid tackling DB in Bly out there to assist.
We can compensate for Moss' weaknesses and immediately benefit from his clearly NFL level pass rushing skills. The fact that he's nearly 6'7" and is only going to grow into a more physically dominant player, AND is a perfect fit for Bates' defensive system is all gravy. If we want to compete in '07 Moss is the best pick for us.