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GonzoLays
03-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Hilarious!

Nowitzki Admits Getting Tense in Pressure Situations

Dallas Mavericks all-star forward Dirk Nowitzki, who is still hearing criticism for his meltdown during a 129-127 double-overtime loss to Phoenix last week, admitted yesterday that he gets tight during pressure situations.

"I think everybody who says they don't get tense, they're lying," Nowitzki said following practice at Dodge Fitness Center on the campus of Columbia University, where the Mavericks were preparing for the Knicks tonight.

"It's big games. You got to find ways to stay loose and relax. I've been doing a decent job of not letting the pressure get to me (YEA THE **** RIGHT YOU HAVE...HAHAHAHAHA) and still enjoying the moment."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031901610.html

"I think everybody who says they don't get tense, they're lying," Nowitzki said...

You think Michael Jordan was "tense" at the end of games, Dirk? Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that Larry Bird was pissing his leg at the free throw line? Give us all a break. Just because you turn into a scrub at the end of games, don't try to play it off like it happens to all the great ones. That's a joke.

I never looked at the consequences of missing a big shot... when you think about the consequences you always think of a negative result.

I've never been afraid to fail

"I wanted the ball in my hands for that last shot," Bird said after the game. "Not in anybody else's hands in the world.

What's more fun then hitting the game winning shot? That's not scary, that's exciting.

And then you have Dirk Chokewitski:

"I think everybody who says they don't get tense, they're lying," Nowitzki said

Bwa...bwaaa...bwahahahahaha

The game sure ain't what use to be. We go from MJ and Larry to Dirk? Say ain't so!

Nuggets4
03-20-2007, 03:31 PM
I enjoy these threads because of the meltdown that follows. Let's watch...

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 03:54 PM
I love the way that Boston fans ooh and ahh at Dirk when he shoots. When he hits a high-arching jupshot you can feel the longing eyes looking on from the stands in reminiscience. You can hear respect and awe in their gasps when he pulls up to shoot. You can almost hear forlorn Celticfan say "I remember when we had a player like that, and a team almost that good."

It's particularly disheartening to Celticfan when Dirk coasts through the game only to decide in the fourth quarter that he's going to quit messing around with their little team and pound them into submission by dominating the game and closing them out. Just like he did against so many teams in the past. Just like their players used to do. So, what can they do but live vicariously through the Big German's outfit while he visits their floor? Oh, a Celticfan can dream, cant she?

Jens1893
03-20-2007, 03:56 PM
You´re a prick, Gonzo. A jealous prick.

scorpio
03-20-2007, 04:15 PM
I love the way that Boston fans ooh and ahh at Dirk when he shoots. When he hits a high-arching jupshot you can feel the longing eyes looking on from the stands in reminiscience. You can hear respect and awe in their gasps when he pulls up to shoot. You can almost hear forlorn Celticfan say "I remember when we had a player like that, and a team almost that good."

It's particularly disheartening to Celticfan when Dirk coasts through the game only to decide in the fourth quarter that he's going to quit messing around with their little team and pound them into submission by dominating the game and closing them out. Just like he did against so many teams in the past. Just like their players used to do. So, what can they do but live vicariously through the Big German's outfit while he visits their floor? Oh, a Celticfan can dream, cant she?

Does Dirk make you wear a rubber?

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-20-2007, 04:29 PM
Gonzo's wife/aunt admits that he often tenses up when confronted with a female breast.

Master___Pain
03-20-2007, 04:58 PM
I enjoy these threads because of the meltdown that follows. Let's watch...

http://www.allbuffs.com/forums/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

Los Broncos
03-20-2007, 05:40 PM
It dont matter, he has to make those free throws, its a free shot.

ludo21
03-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Cant wait till the playoffs ;D

Gonzo making these threads are funny tho..

Mavs are 2-0 since the 2 OT game.
Suns are 0-2 since..

What does that say? Im not sure, but all I know is that Dirk is a great player, im not sure why the hate.. other than to piss off llama ;S

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-20-2007, 05:49 PM
It dont matter, he has to make those free throws, its a free shot.


He makes them at an 87% rate when in "crunch time". When he makes them, no one seems to care. But it's magnified 10x when he misses them.

I can ask - what is the biggest single shot in Dirk's career so far?

I'd say it was the free throw to tie it with the Spurs in Game 7 of last year's playoffs. I seem to recall that one going in.

Why do I get myself into these things? I know we're being baited.

Los Broncos
03-20-2007, 06:02 PM
He makes them at an 87% rate when in "crunch time". When he makes them, no one seems to care. But it's magnified 10x when he misses them.

I can ask - what is the biggest single shot in Dirk's career so far?

I'd say it was the free throw to tie it with the Spurs in Game 7 of last year's playoffs. I seem to recall that one going in.

Why do I get myself into these things? I know we're being baited.

It was that shot, and he does make them most of the time. But in this case ur right, it is magnified because he went up against his old buddy Nash and it was in OT, if it happend on any other game we wouldn't even be here talking about this.

NYBronco
03-20-2007, 06:51 PM
He's leading the NBA's winningest team with 25+ PPG.
Not bad... maybe he's on to something. To each his own. You'll get no knock from me on how he approaches his game.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 07:25 PM
It was that shot, and he does make them most of the time. But in this case ur right, it is magnified because he went up against his old buddy Nash and it was in OT, if it happend on any other game we wouldn't even be here talking about this.

..but yet when Dirk put away the Suns on a last-second jumper it was an afterthought.

...or when he scored 50 on them leading them over Nash, all-star, 6th man of the year, coach of the year & friends in the Conference Finals.

There's a bit of a double standard going on here.

Dirk is easily the more accomplished player. If we are talking about clutch performance and criticism, shouldnt we point out that Nash has never been to the Finals? Has there ever been a two-time MVP without a finals appearance? Has there ever been a three-time MVP without a championship?

So, Nash has been blessed with two all-stars, a coach of the year, a 6th man of the year (Diaw), a future 6th man of the year (Barbosa), and hasnt even made it to the finals? Talk about choking.

azbroncfan
03-20-2007, 07:59 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53792&page=2
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=54176

Llama was nowhere to be found other than lurking these threads after Dirks legendary classic in Dirk fasion missed FT with game on the line.

Funny how Llama goes into hiding and avoids the critcism of his gay love child Dirk. I wonder if when he goes into hiding if he locks himself in a room with his FatHead Dirk poster or if he just wears his Dirk jersey as he pulls his goalie. Didn't Llama dissappear last year for a couple weeks after the finals after he predicted a sweep?

Los Broncos
03-20-2007, 08:14 PM
..but yet when Dirk put away the Suns on a last-second jumper it was an afterthought.

...or when he scored 50 on them leading them over Nash, all-star, 6th man of the year, coach of the year & friends in the Conference Finals.

There's a bit of a double standard going on here.

Dirk is easily the more accomplished player. If we are talking about clutch performance and criticism, shouldnt we point out that Nash has never been to the Finals? Has there ever been a two-time MVP without a finals appearance? Has there ever been a three-time MVP without a championship?

So, Nash has been blessed with two all-stars, a coach of the year, a 6th man of the year (Diaw), a future 6th man of the year (Barbosa), and hasnt even made it to the finals? Talk about choking.

Your right on there.

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 08:30 PM
I love the way that Boston fans ooh and ahh at Dirk when he shoots. When he hits a high-arching jupshot you can feel the longing eyes looking on from the stands in reminiscience. You can hear respect and awe in their gasps when he pulls up to shoot. You can almost hear forlorn Celticfan say "I remember when we had a player like that, and a team almost that good."

It's particularly disheartening to Celticfan when Dirk coasts through the game only to decide in the fourth quarter that he's going to quit messing around with their little team and pound them into submission by dominating the game and closing them out. Just like he did against so many teams in the past. Just like their players used to do. So, what can they do but live vicariously through the Big German's outfit while he visits their floor? Oh, a Celticfan can dream, cant she?

The 1980s Celtics would wipe the floor with the 2007 Mavericks. Wipe the ****ing floor. Im talking about 50, 60 point blowouts.

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 08:32 PM
I'll go so far as to say this: Michael Jordan had he played in the era when Dr J, Nique, Bird, Johnson, Jabaar were all in their primes would not be considered the best player ever, but just some guy.

The 1970s and 1980s of basketball were as good as you will ever see it in the NBA.

0 Championships for the Bulls and Jordan had he played in that era.

Meanwhile, 0 Championships and counting for Nowitzki.

Northman
03-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Last 2 Posts: Quoted for Truth.

USMCBladerunner
03-20-2007, 09:02 PM
Dirk is a great player. Both he and Jordan and Bird are correct. EVERYONE gets tense, it is a physiological response and is unavoidable. The great players embrace that tension and use it to come up clutch.

I haven't seen any pattern to suggest that Nowitzki is a choker in those moments. He's not batting 1.000, but neither is anyone else.

GonzoLays
03-20-2007, 09:49 PM
The 1980s Celtics would wipe the floor with the 2007 Mavericks. Wipe the ****ing floor. Im talking about 50, 60 point blowouts.

Imagine a frontline consisting of Lebron James at SF, Tim Duncan at PF, and Jermaine O'neal at C and that would equal the frontline of Parish, Mchale, and Bird. Seriously.

When Tim Duncan took the mantle of the being the greatest PF of all time, he took that recqgnition from Kevin Mchale. Charles Barkely called him the greatest player he ever played against. For the 86 C's, he averaged 26 pts, 10 rebounds and 2 block shots a game while shooting 60% from the field and 80% from the free throw line! He should have been the league MVP!

Larry Bird finished with a career average of 25 pts, 10 rebounds and 6 assists. CAREER AVERAGE! Off the hook.

Robert Parish was a NINE TIME ALL STAR and made THREE ALL NBA TEAMS. Show me another 7'1" center with those kind of accolades in today's game. Comparing the Chief to Jermaine O'neal doesn't even do Parish justice. Put the Chief in his prime in today's game and he is the 2nd best center in the league right now.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 09:51 PM
Imagine a frontline consisting of Lebron James at SF, Tim Duncan at PF, and Jermaine O'neal at C and that would equal the frontline of Parish, Mchale, and Bird. Seriously.

When Tim Duncan took the mantle of the being the greatest PF of all time, he took that recqgnition from Kevin Mchale. Charles Barkely called him the greatest player he ever played against. For the 86 C's, he averaged 26 pts, 10 rebounds and 2 block shots a game while shooting 60% from the field and 80% from the free throw line! He should have been the league MVP!

Larry Bird finished with a career average of 25 pts, 10 rebounds and 6 assists. CAREER AVERAGE! Off the hook.

Robert Parish was a NINE TIME ALL STAR and made THREE ALL NBA TEAMS. Show me another 7'1" center with those kind of accolades in today's game. Comparing the Chief to Jermaine O'neal doesn't even do Parish justice. Put the Chief in his prime in today's game and he is the 2nd best center in the league right now.

I guess that Dirk must be pretty good because he's leading a Mavs team with no Parrish and/or McHale in the post to a record that outshines anything that that team could manage to pull off in its prime.

Pull your head out of the sand.

OrangeShadow
03-20-2007, 09:58 PM
college basketball> the nba

GonzoLays
03-20-2007, 09:59 PM
I guess that Dirk must be pretty good because he's leading a Mavs team with no Parrish and/or McHale in the post to a record that outshines anything that that team could manage to pull off in its prime.

Pull your head out of the sand.

Ha! If Bird played in today's watered down NBA, he would averaged 35 pts a game and would have won his 5th straight NBA title if he took the place of Chokewitski on your Mavs team. Don't get it twisted.

Jens1893
03-20-2007, 10:01 PM
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/talc/images/popcorn.jpg

Who wants some? I am selling ... $3.00 each

azbroncfan
03-20-2007, 10:02 PM
I guess that Dirk must be pretty good because he's leading a Mavs team with no Parrish and/or McHale in the post to a record that outshines anything that that team could manage to pull off in its prime.

Pull your head out of the sand.

Jason Terry, Stackhouse, Howard are not slouches. Although I wonder who was comparable to LeBron on the 86 Celtics? No one on that team was athletic as him.

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 10:02 PM
I guess that Dirk must be pretty good because he's leading a Mavs team with no Parrish and/or McHale in the post to a record that outshines anything that that team could manage to pull off in its prime.

Pull your head out of the sand.

Take your mouth of Nowitski's private area. Dallas is not comparable to even the Bad Boys of Motown. You know why? They will NEVER get rings. NEVER. They'd be lucky to string together a 5 game win streak against the teams of the 70s and 80s.

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 10:03 PM
Jason Terry, Stackhouse, Howard are not slouches. Although I wonder who was comparable to LeBron on the 86 Celtics? No one on that team was athletic as him.

Dominique Wilkins.

Edit: OH, you said on teh Celtics.

Still, Wilkins compares to Lebron from the era.

Boobs McGee
03-20-2007, 10:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsoWjL4jrDM

now THAT is clutch my german loving friend.

GonzoLays
03-20-2007, 10:05 PM
Jason Terry, Stackhouse, Howard are not slouches. Although I wonder who was comparable to LeBron on the 86 Celtics? No one on that team was athletic as him.

Then find me another 6'9" player in today's NBA that can average 25 pts, 10 rebounds and 7 assists per game while leading his team to the NBA championship.

And to be frank, Lebron James ain't **** on Bird. Bird>>>>>James

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 10:05 PM
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No, that is clutch.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 10:08 PM
Oh great...here comes "clutch" T-mac...so clutch that he's never seen a minute of the second round of the playoffs. Ha!

OrangeShadow
03-20-2007, 10:25 PM
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thats clutch

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 10:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsoWjL4jrDM

now THAT is clutch my german loving friend.

If Carmelo had the heart that Dirk has, Carmelo would be the best player in the league.

TheManeMan
03-20-2007, 10:41 PM
..but yet when Dirk put away the Suns on a last-second jumper it was an afterthought.

...or when he scored 50 on them leading them over Nash, all-star, 6th man of the year, coach of the year & friends in the Conference Finals.

There's a bit of a double standard going on here.

Dirk is easily the more accomplished player. If we are talking about clutch performance and criticism, shouldnt we point out that Nash has never been to the Finals? Has there ever been a two-time MVP without a finals appearance? Has there ever been a three-time MVP without a championship?

So, Nash has been blessed with two all-stars, a coach of the year, a 6th man of the year (Diaw), a future 6th man of the year (Barbosa), and hasnt even made it to the finals? Talk about choking.


oh...homer buddy of ours...

does it make a difference that Nash had 9 new players on the team last year?

or that he didnt have of his all-star PF all F'N year!!

or the year before he didnt have Joe Johnson for about 2 rounds due to that foul on Stackhouse...

But, thats all Nash's fault...he's the only reason why they havent made it to the finals these past 2 years...

And his teams have still won 54+ games in the season...

and you know MVP's of the league have soooo much to do with the playoffs...::)


I'm just sick and tired of hearing the same rhetoric time and time again. The MVP is a REGULAR SEASON AWARD. That's why there's a Finals MVP. People in general need to stop looking at the fact that Nash is a scrawny 6'0 (at best) point guard as being the reason why he shouldn't be the MVP. Honestly, this is the reason why people don't accept it. Nash doesn't fit the prototypical "MVP" mold, with his look, style....so people think the award is tainted. People CANT BELIEVE that this kid is winning MVPs and making the game look ridiculously easy anytime he steps out on the court. Sorry to EVERYONE that he's not Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Karl Malone, or whoever else you want to throw out there.

And I know what you're saying to yourself;

"Well, he was the same guy in Dallas, why didn't he win MVPs there?" The answer to that is, IT WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION. D'Antoni took the BASIC Don Nelson premise and upped it by a thousand. Nash didn't have the players necessary for those teams to have the same type of success as D'Antoni's system has had and will continue to have, as long as there's a facilitator like Nash in the game. So, once and for all, can we stop comparing those two situations?

That said, though..

Nash can't take his team to the Finals? Let's see....since he's come to Phoenix, he's taken his team to the Western Conference Finals twice in a row, despite extenuating circumstances in BOTH seasons. Give him what the other teams had, and they most certainly would have done even better.

I'm sick and tired of people acting like basketball (or ANY sport) is a ONE MAN game. This isn't golf, or tennis, or any other individual sport. This is BASKETBALL. One player alone does not take a team to the Finals. It's a team game. Twelve players. So to condemn Nash for not carrying his team to the Finals when they took anything and everything that came to them and responded with tenacity and heart is absolutely ridiculous. Sooner or later, it's going to break down. Playing with SIX GUYS last year in the WCF. Would any other team be able to do this?

I'm not even commenting anymore about Nash deserving MVP this year, because doing so will validate this ridiculous notion that there's even an argument besides Dirk and Nash.

You know, sometimes I wonder to myself why I even go to these great lengths to defend Nash to people everywhere who generally have no concept of what they're saying, then I realize that because of this (and DESPITE the two MVPs)....Nash is still the most underappreciated player in the game

Rock Chalk
03-20-2007, 11:42 PM
ManeMan, this is a Dirk bashing thread. Make a Nash praising thread if you want to defend Nash. Otherwise, join in the fun.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2007, 11:55 PM
oh...homer buddy of ours...

does it make a difference that Nash had 9 new players on the team last year?

or that he didnt have of his all-star PF all F'N year!!

or the year before he didnt have Joe Johnson for about 2 rounds due to that foul on Stackhouse...

But, thats all Nash's fault...he's the only reason why they havent made it to the finals these past 2 years...

And his teams have still won 54+ games in the season...

and you know MVP's of the league have soooo much to do with the playoffs...::)

If you want to apply a bunch of excuses, that's fine. Just remember that Dirk doesnt get, or want, that same benefit.

Forgive me, but when you start your argument with a bunch of excuses, you have already admitted an inferior position.


Nash can't take his team to the Finals? Let's see....since he's come to Phoenix, he's taken his team to the Western Conference Finals twice in a row, despite extenuating circumstances in BOTH seasons. Give him what the other teams had, and they most certainly would have done even better.

Again. Excuses dont count here. Players shouldnt win MVP's based on excuses. Nash hasnt gotten done what Dirk has. Especially this season and over their comparative recent history. The argument should end there.

You know, sometimes I wonder to myself why I even go to these great lengths to defend Nash to people everywhere who generally have no concept of what they're saying, then I realize that because of this (and DESPITE the two MVPs)....Nash is still the most underappreciated player in the game

Nash is second only to The Flying Wheelchair as far as promotion goes. Nash and the Suns are an easy favorite of sportswriters everywhere. I have to chuckle a bit when you say that they are underappreciated. Try being a Mavs fan!

Boobs McGee
03-21-2007, 12:26 AM
If Carmelo had the heart that Dirk has, Carmelo would be the best player in the league.

or MAAAAAyybe, if Dirk had the balls that Melo has, people wouldn't think he's such a choke artist.

Winners want the ball at the end of the game.

Losers make excuses about being "tense".



wait wait wait. My bad. Even if Dirk had a bigger pair of balls, it really wouldnt matter, because he probably couldn't steal them back from your homering lips long enough to make a difference.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 12:30 AM
Take your mouth of Nowitski's private area. Dallas is not comparable to even the Bad Boys of Motown. You know why? They will NEVER get rings. NEVER. They'd be lucky to string together a 5 game win streak against the teams of the 70s and 80s.

I think that the Mavs and the Spurs would do just fine in any era.

So would the 2000 Lakers.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 12:35 AM
or MAAAAAyybe, if Dirk had the balls that Melo has, people wouldn't think he's such a choke artist.

Winners want the ball at the end of the game.

Losers make excuses about being "tense".


Well, Hulkobronconia, Dirk wasnt making any excuses in that quote. He was talking candidly (as always) with reporters about how players are human just like anyone else and how all great players are nervous too. Dirk doesnt waste time putting up a tough guy facade. He's tough on the floor.

I think it's really kind of funny that fans live in this alternate universe where their favorite players have to lie to them to make them feel like they are good.

Mikki Moore talks as tough as anyone. He should be an all-star by now.

Boobs McGee
03-21-2007, 12:50 AM
Well, Hulkobronconia, Dirk wasnt making any excuses in that quote. He was talking candidly (as always) with reporters about how players are human just like anyone else and how all great players are nervous too. Dirk doesnt waste time putting up a tough guy facade. He's tough on the floor.

I think it's really kind of funny that fans live in this alternate universe where there favorite players have to lie to them to make them feel like they are good.

Mikki Moore talks as tough as anyone. He should be an all-star by now.

You think you can talk about the heart of an NBA player, and your mancrush Dirk thinks he can speak for "all great players".

un. ****ing. believable.

First off, until I see you rollin out of Melo's crib arm and arm, your rediculous quaffs about character go right out the window.

Secondly.
Umm...if you'll look closely at the quotes posted so helpfully at the beginning of this thread, you'll see that ALL GREAT PLAYERS don't get nervous. The REAL great players get crazy, and do crazy things like make clutch shots.

You're absolutely correct, Dirk is NOT making excuses, he's just letting everyone know that he chokes under pressure. Definitely an easy out when he clanks that next gamewinner as the buzzer sounds.

"it's okay dirk. I knew it was gonna happen. You TOLD me it could happen. You get tense under pressure, and damn those teamates for giving you the chance to prove your MVP like skills. "

As for Dirk being tough on the floor, you keep your bedroom antics behind closed doors.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 01:00 AM
You think you can talk about the heart of an NBA player, and your mancrush Dirk thinks he can speak for "all great players".

un. ****ing. believable.

First off, until I see you rollin out of Melo's crib arm and arm, your rediculous quaffs about character go right out the window.

Secondly.
Umm...if you'll look closely at the quotes posted so helpfully at the beginning of this thread, you'll see that ALL GREAT PLAYERS don't get nervous. The REAL great players get crazy, and do crazy things like make clutch shots.

You're absolutely correct, Dirk is NOT making excuses, he's just letting everyone know that he chokes under pressure. Definitely an easy out when he clanks that next gamewinner as the buzzer sounds.

"it's okay dirk. I knew it was gonna happen. You TOLD me it could happen. You get tense under pressure, and damn those teamates for giving you the chance to prove your MVP like skills. "

As for Dirk being tough on the floor, you keep your bedroom antics behind closed doors.


Hilarious!

It might be a good idea to make an attempt to understand the context of the quote before you go on a baseless rant.

Boobs McGee
03-21-2007, 01:18 AM
I understood the original quotes perfectly thank you. I simply ranted and raved on your personal twisting of those quotes.

You do a truly horrible job at both sticking up for and putting words into the mouth of, your boyfriend.

What really happened:

Dirk calls the Great ones Liars and admits he isn't a calm shooter in the clutch. And he is pleased as pie in that regard. :thumbs: (that's who I want taking the game winner)

What you see through rose colored glasses made in Germany:
Dirk is soooooo amazing. He can make all these great shots and, why isn't he an MVP? Where are all of those rings that he should have on his fingers? Dammit the whole world is against him because he's just too talented. Those ****ty refs. That stupid canadian. The damn fans and coaches that don't give him his credit. His crappy team. Everyone is against him. He'll never get an MVP. Oh my poor dirky.


that about cover it?

Can't wait to rip on his Dirkness the next time someone utters an undirkish word.

Until then, stay homered.

ludo21
03-21-2007, 01:26 AM
PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPS!!



:thumbs: finally played like the Suns, got some fast breaks going, actually rebounded..

Amare only scored 4 points tonight, but Diaw finally played better and Pat Burke ended the game with an emphatic DUNK, then a BLOCK!!

Yeaaaaaaaa !Booya!

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 01:27 AM
I understood the original quotes perfectly thank you. I simply ranted and raved on your personal twisting of those quotes.

You do a truly horrible job at both sticking up for and putting words into the mouth of, your boyfriend.

What really happened:

Dirk calls the Great ones Liars and admits he isn't a calm shooter in the clutch. And he is pleased as pie in that regard. :thumbs: (that's who I want taking the game winner)
What you see through rose colored glasses made in Germany:
Dirk is soooooo amazing. He can make all these great shots and, why isn't he an MVP? Where are all of those rings that he should have on his fingers? Dammit the whole world is against him because he's just too talented. Those ****ty refs. That stupid canadian. The damn fans and coaches that don't give him his credit. His crappy team. Everyone is against him. He'll never get an MVP. Oh my poor dirky.
that about cover it?
Can't wait to rip on his Dirkness the next time someone utters an undirkish word.
Until then, stay homered.

Wow.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 01:34 AM
Oh, by the way Mr. ThatTimeoftheMonthBronconia, I just happened to catch the "Inside the NBA" show on TNT...

Barkley took a whole segment to explain how what Dirk said was true, and how he had seen both Larry Bird and Michael Jordan miss clutch free throws in big playoff games. He said that all NBA players feel that same pressure in those situations.

Hmmm...I wonder why he chose Bird and Jordan to compare him to?

RhymesayersDU
03-21-2007, 01:37 AM
I didn't even really want to get into this thread, but I will say this: As phenomenal as Dirk is, last year's Finals were really telling, IMO. He had chances late in 2 games, and he couldn't finish. I like the guy, and believe that the Mavs won't be seriously contested (maybe somebody takes them to 6 games max) in the playoffs, but I think Dirk will need to prove the naysayers wrong this year.

I did want to respond to this:

He makes them at an 87% rate when in "crunch time". When he makes them, no one seems to care. But it's magnified 10x when he misses them.

I can ask - what is the biggest single shot in Dirk's career so far?

I'd say it was the free throw to tie it with the Spurs in Game 7 of last year's playoffs. I seem to recall that one going in.

The problem is, he's missed them on the biggest stages. You're right, I had forgotten about Game 7 myself. That was huge, and he came up big. But the bigger shots came just a week and a half later, when he clanked late FT's in 2 Finals games that could have secured the Mavs a ring.

If Dirk makes those in the Finals, the NBA's biggest stage, the story becomes how in every round Dirk came up huge, as clutch as there is. You ask why nobody remembers the big shots, because they were followed by even bigger misses.

But this will all be moot, because as much as I hate to say it, nobody is dethroning the Mavs this year.

RhymesayersDU
03-21-2007, 01:38 AM
If you want to apply a bunch of excuses, that's fine. Just remember that Dirk doesnt get, or want, that same benefit.

Forgive me, but when you start your argument with a bunch of excuses, you have already admitted an inferior position.

So wait, what do you call INSTANTLY crying about a conspiracy following last year's Finals? Seriously now, that was the mother of all excuses.

Forgive me, but you calling somebody ELSE out for making excuses and having an inferior position is pure comedy.

"Dirk woulda won, but the refs were told by Stern to let DWade have his way to sell jerseys in the hood! WAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Clockwork Orange
03-21-2007, 01:42 AM
This thread is hilarious on so many levels.

watermock
03-21-2007, 01:57 AM
This thread is hilarious on so many levels.

No kidding...the guy is getting raked over the coals when he's a strong candidate for MVP.

How about we discuss the great Shaq free throw jokes? Or bricks quite honestly.

He missed a free throw...BFD. Players miss free throws with zero pressure on them too. Damn him for being honest that he feels pressure. Not everyone has ice going thru their veins.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-21-2007, 01:58 AM
I'm still laughing at how they spelled Wade's name "Dwayne" in OrangeShadow's link.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2007, 02:11 AM
I didn't even really want to get into this thread, but I will say this: As phenomenal as Dirk is, last year's Finals were really telling, IMO. He had chances late in 2 games, and he couldn't finish. I like the guy, and believe that the Mavs won't be seriously contested (maybe somebody takes them to 6 games max) in the playoffs, but I think Dirk will need to prove the naysayers wrong this year.

People remember what they want to remember. I remember Dallas getting over the hump last season. I remember Dirk outdeuling the great Tim Duncan in an all-time classic series where both stars were playing at their highest level. This was a battle of possibly the two greatest PF's in NBA history where both players put on a show. I remember Dirk tying the game by taking a defender to the basket who doubters had said could stop him and muscling over him in the post (which doubters said he couldnt do) for the most significant and recognizeable play in recent NBA history. I remember him sinking the tying free throw with ease(the most important of his career). I remember Dirk overcoming the odds on the road in the den of the most dominant franchise in the recent NBA while outdeuling a guy who is a top-5 player in NBA history.

Then I remember Dirk silencing the doubters again in the WCF. I remember him carrying the Mavs on his back. I remember him winning the west after dropping 50 on the Suns (most of those points were in the fourth quarter of a game where the Mavs were trailing entering the period).

In fact, Dirk has done nothing but silence his critics for his entire career. He does it every season. I know that he'll do it again. It's what he does.

Just as Kobe Bryant said: "Dirk doesnt have to prove anything."




The problem is, he's missed them on the biggest stages. You're right, I had forgotten about Game 7 myself. That was huge, and he came up big. But the bigger shots came just a week and a half later, when he clanked late FT's in 2 Finals games that could have secured the Mavs a ring.

Those free throws wouldnt have secured a ring. They would have made the Mavs chances much, much better, but they wouldnt have finalized anything. Dirk had two bad games in that series. Those were only bad games by his standards. That's it.

If Dirk makes those in the Finals, the NBA's biggest stage, the story becomes how in every round Dirk came up huge, as clutch as there is. You ask why nobody remembers the big shots, because they were followed by even bigger misses.

That's not necessarily true. The story is whatever the media wants it to be. The story would have still been the Suns this season no matter what Dallas did in the playoffs. That is, of course, the comparison that we are looking at.

People tend to want to hold Dirk to standards that they do not hold Nash to. Everyone knows that Phoenix' support players are much better than Dallas'. Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw(or Joe Johnson), Barbosa, and Bell (or Q Richardson) are a pretty talented group. Despite all of those players, Phoenix was not able to do what Dallas could do. They were not able to get over the hump and beat the Spurs. Why was Dallas able to get over the hump? Dirk Nowitzki. Who was the star in the Phoenix/SA conference finals? Stoudemire. Why didnt they get over the hump? Nash cant play defense. Dallas has accomplished more than Phoenix. They have been better at closing out great opponents in the clutch. Dirk is a very, very, very large reason why. In fact, Dirk pulled off a classic finish in the biggest game of his career by scoring an and-1 with seconds on the clock and then blocking Duncan's layup on the other end on the last posession of the game. Cant say the same for Nash. Why isnt Nash being held to the same standard that Dirk is?

I wouldnt care at all if Dirk was criticized on a level playing field, but that's just not what's happening. I read an article recently by a popular national columnist on ESPiN TV that said that the national media intentionally promotes Nash to get at Cuban. He said that his buddies do it. The playing field is not level.

But this will all be moot, because as much as I hate to say it, nobody is dethroning the Mavs this year.

The Mavs dont have the crown. They are going to have to take it by force.

TheManeMan
03-21-2007, 02:17 AM
If you want to apply a bunch of excuses, that's fine. Just remember that Dirk doesnt get, or want, that same benefit.

Forgive me, but when you start your argument with a bunch of excuses, you have already admitted an inferior position.




Again. Excuses dont count here. Players shouldnt win MVP's based on excuses. Nash hasnt gotten done what Dirk has. Especially this season and over their comparative recent history. The argument should end there.



Nash is second only to The Flying Wheelchair as far as promotion goes. Nash and the Suns are an easy favorite of sportswriters everywhere. I have to chuckle a bit when you say that they are underappreciated. Try being a Mavs fan!

You sir are an idiot...especially when you say hasnt and gotten right after another...what has Dirk gotten (hahahaha) that Nash doesnt? A NBA finals appearance?? sooo f'n what?? Nash has 2 things wait make that soon to be 3 things that Dirk doesnt and will never have...1 is an MVP trophy...2 is another MVP trophy and 3...yeah another MVP trophy...if you dont understand that an NBA Finals appearance is contingent on not only the play of one player, but eleven others...then you really need to stop watching basketball...

just keep swinging off Dirks nuts...I should think about nailing my penis to a burning building rather than talking to Mavs fans...

good luck to your boys come April 21st...hopefully they'll see them again in that WCF rematch...

oh and lastly...who the **** wants to appreciate a Mavs fan? you're all a bunch of bitter losers...

ZONA
03-21-2007, 02:21 AM
I don't know how many times I have tried to tell llama boy that losing not only studman himself Amare' but also Kurt Thomas last year, they had absolutely no inside presense and still almost beat the Mav's. I'd like to see what they would do without their two best post players. They wouldn't have even made the playoffs. Call it what you want dude, if you think it's an excuse then that's exactly what we say about Dallas in the Finals. Dallas was the heavy favorite and probably the better team and they C H O K E D.

I won't say Dirk is a choker. He's hit clutch shots before. But your hatred for Nash is beyound belief. I've heard many people that have been NBA coaches and players say he is the best player in the league. I think there's never anyway to prove such a thing, so many different styles. The things he does, NOBODY esle does them. When he takes the ball in the lane, keeps his dribble alive and finds open guys slashing in the lane when he's got 3 guys on him, time and time again. The other team knows it's coming but can't stop it. Like I said, NOBODY in the league does that. He takes the most charges in the league, or at least close to it. Easily penetrates in the lane no matter who is guarding him. Hit's those off hand layups, fading jump shots over the bigs, all this with a bad back.

Where were you last week when the Mavs got pasted by the Warriers, lost to the Suns and just about blew their wad in Boston? Weren't feeling so hot about the Mavs then were you?

Northman
03-21-2007, 06:36 AM
So wait, what do you call INSTANTLY crying about a conspiracy following last year's Finals? Seriously now, that was the mother of all excuses.

Forgive me, but you calling somebody ELSE out for making excuses and having an inferior position is pure comedy.

"Dirk woulda won, but the refs were told by Stern to let DWade have his way to sell jerseys in the hood! WAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL



OWNED

-Slap-
03-21-2007, 10:04 AM
I wouldnt care at all if Dirk was criticized on a level playing field, but that's just not what's happening. I read an article recently by a popular national columnist on ESPiN TV that said that the national media intentionally promotes Nash to get at Cuban. He said that his buddies do it. The playing field is not level.


Is it any wonder people make fun of the Mavs fans?

This kind of pathetic groveling dovetails nicely with Cuban's insistence there's a league-wide conspiracy against his team.

Rock Chalk
03-21-2007, 11:35 AM
I have thouroughly enjoyed this thread.

-Slap-
03-21-2007, 11:40 AM
I have thouroughly enjoyed this thread.

It took several years, but Gonzo has finally proven useful.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2007, 11:46 AM
The 1980s Celtics would wipe the floor with the 2007 Mavericks. Wipe the ****ing floor. Im talking about 50, 60 point blowouts.

I brought this up the other day....just about any of the top tier teams of the 70's, 80's and 90's would destroy any modern day team because team basketball in this day and age is terrible. It's totally in decline and unwatchable.

Jens1893
03-21-2007, 11:48 AM
Well, llama sometimes exaggerates a little and, ironically, does what ESPN does and thinks the modern day players are better than some all time greats.

Master___Pain
03-21-2007, 12:05 PM
Well, llama sometimes exaggerates a little and, ironically, does what ESPN does and thinks the modern day players are better than some all time greats.

A little? LOL

Jens1893
03-21-2007, 12:10 PM
A little? LOL

We need to keep a balance in this thread ... Llama exaggerates, I understate ;)

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-21-2007, 12:21 PM
Why do Suns fans bring up Kurt Thomas? He doesn't do jack in that system.

azbroncfan
03-21-2007, 09:37 PM
No kidding...the guy is getting raked over the coals when he's a strong candidate for MVP.

How about we discuss the great Shaq free throw jokes? Or bricks quite honestly.

He missed a free throw...BFD. Players miss free throws with zero pressure on them too. Damn him for being honest that he feels pressure. Not everyone has ice going thru their veins.

Because Llama isn't slobbing on his knob.

azbroncfan
03-21-2007, 09:40 PM
or MAAAAAyybe,Winners want the ball at the end of the game.
if Dirk had the balls that Melo has, people wouldn't think he's such a choke artist.
Losers make excuses about being "tense".



wait wait wait. My bad. Even if Dirk had a bigger pair of balls, it really wouldnt matter, because he probably couldn't steal them back from your homering lips long enough to make a difference.

Now I bet Nate Robinson and the rest of the Knicks would have a different opinion on Melo's ability to stand up like a man after he took a cheap shot.

The only backpeddaling back to the bench that can compare are Llama's excuses for the mavs.

ZONA
03-21-2007, 09:43 PM
Why do Suns fans bring up Kurt Thomas? He doesn't do jack in that system.


Yeah he does. He rebounds and plays post defense. I think last night against The Big Ticket he put in 10 points and 12 boards and I believe like 3 blocks. I'm not gonna say he's a huge factor but he is a factor, especially when you don't have Amare and the only other guy on the floor over 6'10" is Tim Thomas who they picked up very late in the season and he was all about jacking up 3 pointers and playing NO D. Anybody who knows ball could clearly see the Suns last year made a great run with nothing but guards and small forwards.

azbroncfan
03-21-2007, 09:45 PM
People remember what they want to remember. I remember Dallas getting over the hump last season. I remember Dirk outdeuling the great Tim Duncan in an all-time classic series where both stars were playing at their highest level. This was a battle of possibly the two greatest PF's in NBA history where both players put on a show. I remember Dirk tying the game by taking a defender to the basket who doubters had said could stop him and muscling over him in the post (which doubters said he couldnt do) for the most significant and recognizeable play in recent NBA history. I remember him sinking the tying free throw with ease(the most important of his career). I remember Dirk overcoming the odds on the road in the den of the most dominant franchise in the recent NBA while outdeuling a guy who is a top-5 player in NBA history.

Then I remember Dirk silencing the doubters again in the WCF. I remember him carrying the Mavs on his back. I remember him winning the west after dropping 50 on the Suns (most of those points were in the fourth quarter of a game where the Mavs were trailing entering the period).

In fact, Dirk has done nothing but silence his critics for his entire career. He does it every season. I know that he'll do it again. It's what he does.

Just as Kobe Bryant said: "Dirk doesnt have to prove anything."






Those free throws wouldnt have secured a ring. They would have made the Mavs chances much, much better, but they wouldnt have finalized anything. Dirk had two bad games in that series. Those were only bad games by his standards. That's it.



That's not necessarily true. The story is whatever the media wants it to be. The story would have still been the Suns this season no matter what Dallas did in the playoffs. That is, of course, the comparison that we are looking at.

People tend to want to hold Dirk to standards that they do not hold Nash to. Everyone knows that Phoenix' support players are much better than Dallas'. Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw(or Joe Johnson), Barbosa, and Bell (or Q Richardson) are a pretty talented group. Despite all of those players, Phoenix was not able to do what Dallas could do. They were not able to get over the hump and beat the Spurs. Why was Dallas able to get over the hump? Dirk Nowitzki. Who was the star in the Phoenix/SA conference finals? Stoudemire. Why didnt they get over the hump? Nash cant play defense. Dallas has accomplished more than Phoenix. They have been better at closing out great opponents in the clutch. Dirk is a very, very, very large reason why. In fact, Dirk pulled off a classic finish in the biggest game of his career by scoring an and-1 with seconds on the clock and then blocking Duncan's layup on the other end on the last posession of the game. Cant say the same for Nash. Why isnt Nash being held to the same standard that Dirk is?

I wouldnt care at all if Dirk was criticized on a level playing field, but that's just not what's happening. I read an article recently by a popular national columnist on ESPiN TV that said that the national media intentionally promotes Nash to get at Cuban. He said that his buddies do it. The playing field is not level.



The Mavs dont have the crown. They are going to have to take it by force.


This is one of the best ways to pass the offseason especially with a drama queen as Llama.