CIA Leak Severely Hurt U.S. Intelligence

[Bronco Bob]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Valerie Plame told Congress Friday the leak of her identity as a CIA covert operative "has jeopardized and even destroyed entire networks of foreign agents."

For the first time since the 2003 leak, the central figure of the resulting scandal revealed her side of events that led to the conviction this month of a former vice presidential aide.

She told a House committee that Bush administration officials had "carelessly and recklessly" released her status as a CIA employee, which was first reported by columnist Robert Novak.

"I felt like I had been hit in the gut," Plame told the panel.

Novak's column destroyed her position and classified status, she told the committee.

The disclosure also damaged U.S. intelligence efforts, she said. "If our government cannot even protect my identity, future foreign agents who might consider working with the Central Intelligence Agency in providing needed intelligence would think twice."

Plame testified her work involved gathering intelligence on weapons of mass destruction.


'A CIA problem'

The ranking Republican on the committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, suggested that it wasn't clear that Plame's role was classified at the time.

"No process can be adopted to protect classified information that no one knows is classified, just as no one can be prosecuted for unauthorized disclosure of information that no one ever said was protected," Davis said. "So this looks to me more like a CIA problem than a White House problem."

Plame rejected claims that her role at the CIA not covert when her identity was leaked.

She said she had conducted secret overseas missions within the past five years, and that much information about her career remains classified. (Read how Plame said she worked on secret missions during her time as an operative)

Although she was working at CIA headquarters in the United States at the time of the leak, Plame said, "a general is a general whether he is in the field in Iraq or Afghanistan; when he comes back to the Pentagon, he's still a general. In the same way, covert operations officers who are serving in the field, when they rotate back for temporary assignment in Washington, they too are still covert."

She added that her husband -- former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson -- protected her status "diligently."

Vanity Fair magazine published a photograph of the couple -- in which she was wearing dark sunglasses and a scarf -- in late 2003, after the disclosure of Plame's identity. "At the time that picture came out, my covert status was long gone," she testified.

"Having lived most of my life under the radar, my learning curve was steep," she added, saying the photo caused more trouble than it was worth.

Wilson accused the White House of intentionally leaking his wife's covert role as retribution for an opinion piece he wrote for The New York Times that contested a justification given by the Bush administration to invade Iraq. (Key players)

The leak sparked an investigation by a special prosecutor, which led to this month's conviction of Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on perjury and obstruction of justice charges.

During her appearance Friday, Plame said, "testimony in the criminal trial of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, who has now been convicted of serious crimes, indicates that my exposure arose from purely political motives."

She said of President Bush's political aide, "Karl Rove clearly was involved in leaking my name, and he still carries a security clearance to this day, despite the president's words ... that he would immediately dismiss anyone who had anything to do with this."
'There was no nepotism involved'

Plame also said Friday that it was not her idea for her husband to travel to Niger to investigate an allegation that Iraq had sought yellowcake uranium. That allegation was used to help justify the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

"I did not suggest him. I did not recommend him. There was no nepotism involved," she said, adding, "I did not have the authority."

It was the suggestion of another CIA officer who knew that Joe Wilson had previously gone on other CIA missions "to deal with some other nuclear matters," she said.

She said she had later been asked to write an e-mail summarizing the discussion that included the possibility of her husband making the journey. A portion of that e-mail was later taken out of context to make it seem that she had suggested her husband for the assignment, she said.

[Bronco Bob]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Valerie Plame Wilson was called to testify Friday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform about her work at the CIA before her covert identity was revealed. Here is a transcript of her opening statement.

Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. My name is Valerie Plame Wilson and I am honored to have been invited to testify under oath before the committee on oversight and government reform on the critical issue of safeguarding classified information.

I'm grateful for this opportunity to set the record straight. I served the United States loyally and to the best of my ability as a covert operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency.

I worked on behalf of the national security of our country, on behalf of the people of the United States until my name and true affiliation were exposed in the national media on July 14, 2003, after a leak by administration officials.

Today, I can tell this committee even more. In the run-up to the war with Iraq I worked in the counter proliferation division of the CIA -- still as a covert officer whose affiliation with the CIA was classified.

I raced to discover solid intelligence for senior policymakers on Iraq's presumed weapons of mass destruction programs.

While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence.

I loved my career because I love my country. I was proud of the serious responsibilities entrusted to me as a CIA covert operations officer and I was dedicated to this work.

It was not common knowledge on the Georgetown cocktail circuit that everyone knew where I worked.

But all of my efforts on behalf of the national security of the United States -- all of my training, all of the value of my years of service -- were abruptly ended when my name and identity were exposed irresponsibly.

In the course of the trial of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, "Scooter" Libby, I was shocked by the evidence that emerged.

My name and identity were carelessly and recklessly abused by senior government officials in both the White House and the State Department.

All of them understood that I worked for the CIA and, having signed oaths to protect national security secrets, they should have been diligent in protecting me and every CIA officer.

The CIA goes to great lengths to protect all of its employees, providing at significant taxpayers' expense, painstakingly devised and creative covers for its most sensitive staffers.
'Lives are at stake'

The harm that is done when a CIA cover is blown is grave but I can't provide details beyond that in this public hearing.

But the concept is obvious. Not only have breaches of national security endangered CIA officers, it has jeopardized and even destroyed entire networks of foreign agents who, in turn, risk their own lives and those of their families to provide the United States with needed intelligence.

Lives are literally at stake. Every single one of my former CIA colleagues, from my fellow covert officers to analysts to technical operations officers to even the secretaries, understand the vulnerabilities of our officers and recognize that the travesty of what happened to me could happen to them.

We in the CIA always know that we might be exposed and threatened by foreign enemies.

It was a terrible irony that administration officials were the ones who destroyed my cover.

Furthermore, testimony in the criminal trial of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, who has now been convicted of serious crimes, indicates that my exposure arose from purely political motives.

Within the CIA it is essential that all intelligence be evaluated on the basis of its merits and actual credibility. National security depends upon it.

The tradecraft of intelligence is not a product of speculation.

I feel passionately as an intelligence professional about the creeping, insidious politicizing of our intelligence process.

All intelligence professionals are dedicated to the ideal that they would rather be fired on the spot than distort the facts to fit a political view -- any political view or any ideology.
'Strip out politics from intelligence'

As our intelligence agencies go through reorganizations and experience the painful aspects of change and our country faces profound challenges, injecting partisanship or ideology into the equation makes effective and accurate intelligence that much more difficult to develop.

Politics and ideology must be stripped completely from our intelligence services or the consequences will be even more severe than they have been and our country placed in even greater danger.

It is imperative for any president to be able to make decisions based on intelligence that is unbiased.

The Libby trial and the events leading to the Iraq war highlight the urgent need to restore the highest professional standards of intelligence collection and analysis and the protection of our officers and operations.

The Congress has a constitutional duty to defend our national security and that includes safeguarding our intelligence. That is why I am grateful for this opportunity to appear before this committee today and to assist in its important work. Thank you and I welcome any questions.

[TheDave]

Is it just me or is this getting real close to treason?

[Spider]

yep treason , the right has tried to spin this , but the truth is coming out ....... Clinton never did this

[TailgateNut]

Time for the "spin doctors" to find the next scapegoat.

[Dudeskey]

I like how she discredited the entire right wing echo chamber on this issue within the first 5 minutes of her testimony :thumbsup:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Valerie Plame told Congress Friday the leak of her identity as a CIA covert operative "has jeopardized and even destroyed entire networks of foreign agents."
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You need to provide links to the story.

[Rohirrim]

Is it just me or is this getting real close to treason?

Of course it's treason, but when the Right wing is doing it, it's called patriotism. With the Right, it's always party before country.

[TheDave]

So let me get this straight...

We were preparing for a war with Iraq.

The reason for this war was in part due to the possibility of WMD's

Valarie Plame was a Covert CIA agent working on WMD's

For some reason the white House chose to "out" this agent to the press.

Turns out there were no WMD's

Iraq has currently cost us 3,000+ lives and Hundreds of Billions of Dollars.

The Iraq war could of been prevented had we attained better intelligence regarding WMD's.

The outing of Plame has in part cost us 1,000's of lives and hundreds of billions...

Did i miss anything?

[Dudeskey]

No, Dave... thats about the whole thing in a nutshell.

I have to wonder if outing the whole operation was part of the strategy, since Plame's team likely would have debunked whatever intel Bu$hCO came up with to start the war.

[Bronco Bob]

So let me get this straight...

We were preparing for a war with Iraq.

The reason for this war was in part due to the possibility of WMD's

Valarie Plame was a Covert CIA agent working on WMD's

For some reason the white House chose to "out" this agent to the press.

Turns out there were no WMD's

Iraq has currently cost us 3,000+ lives and Hundreds of Billions of Dollars.

The Iraq war could of been prevented had we attained better intelligence regarding WMD's.

The outing of Plame has in part cost us 1,000's of lives and hundreds of billions...

Did i miss anything?

Only that by outing Plame it damaged, perhaps severely, the CIA network that investigates WMDs, making us less safe from WMDs.
Who knows what the CIA was looking into in Iran and North Korea and how it hurt that?

[Spider]

treasonous bastards ........Slime bag ássholes probably move to Dubia with Haliburton ......... meanwhile we are stuck here with the silly bastards that voted for Bush ........new bumper sticker , **** America vote Bush Cheney

[W*GS]

With the Right, it's always party before country.

I dunno 'bout that... The Democrats make sure that the teacher's unions, their paymasters, never have to worry about the public schools being fixed, the flaws of which are largely of their own (intentional) creation.

In the long run, it's the broken school system that will hurt us most, and the Democrats are at the forefront of assuring that schools stay broken. There's one hell of an instance of party before country...

[Spider]

I dunno 'bout that... .
now there is a shocker Hilarious! not much you do know about except dodging and not answering tough questions

[spdirty]

Not meaning to get off the subject here, but I wonder how much it hurt US intelligence when Sandy Burger stuffed documents down his pants.

[Bronco Bob]

Not meaning to get off the subject here, but I wonder how much it hurt US intelligence when Sandy Burger stuffed documents down his pants.

Not much, if any at all. They were just paper copies, and he destroyed the copies afterwards.
And all the original information is still on the computer hard drives stored at the National Archives.
So it's not like the original data was lost, or any enemy agents got ahold of them, or anyone else
saw them that shouldn't have.

Certainly not on the order of exposing a covert CIA operative and severely damaging a CIA operation searching for WMDs.

[N.O.Bronco]

I dunno 'bout that... The Democrats make sure that the teacher's unions, their paymasters, never have to worry about the public schools being fixed, the flaws of which are largely of their own (intentional) creation.

In the long run, it's the broken school system that will hurt us most, and the Democrats are at the forefront of assuring that schools stay broken. There's one hell of an instance of party before country...

What the HELL kinda deflection tactic is this?

If you wanted to make a thread discussing the problems of the public school system, START A THREAD. See that button at the top of every section "New thread" press it.

I would love to hear in that other thread the flimsy set of "what ifs" that you would have to rely on to make that theory you so badly want to get out to us work though.

However in this thread we are talking about the CIAs weakened abillity to gather intelligence. Because a bunch of political bafoons wanted to go on a crusade in Iraq and cost us some of our intelligence gathering processes in lou of that crusade.

[W*GS]

I was merely responding to Ro's offhand (and oft-heard) comment that the Right puts party before country, and offered an example of the Democrats doing it too.

I suspect the outing of Plame did less damage to the CIA than the current inside-the-Beltway orgy-fest is claiming, certainly less than the double agents and other treasonous scumbags have done over the years. Given that the CIA is hardly a shining example of a studious, accurate, and timely intelligence agency anyway (where were they when the USSR fell? when India and Pakistan set off nukes?), the CIA has much bigger problems than the outing of Plame.

She is hit-able, though.

[Rohirrim]

What the HELL kinda deflection tactic is this?

If you wanted to make a thread discussing the problems of the public school system, START A THREAD. See that button at the top of every section "New thread" press it.

I would love to hear in that other thread the flimsy set of "what ifs" that you would have to rely on to make that theory you so badly want to get out to us work though.

However in this thread we are talking about the CIAs weakened abillity to gather intelligence. Because a bunch of political bafoons wanted to go on a crusade in Iraq and cost us some of our intelligence gathering processes in lou of that crusade.

Wags is the master of deflection. I agree. That's about the weakest one I've heard yet, but hey, it's the only schtick he's got. As far as the effect the Plame outing had on national security, we may never know. It's not like CIA agents are going to come forward and start discussing it. I read one Seymour Hersh article that stated that the agents he is in contact with are furious with the Bush administration and that seems to be the general response within the agency, but they can't say anything. When they outed Plame, they also outed the corporate front she worked behind that was used to provide cover to covert operatives who were tracking WMD. Who knows what that did? All I know is that it is treason, a violation of federal law, and a felony. The Bush cabal (Rove, Cheney, etc.) believe that they are above the law. So far, they're right.

[Spider]

Not meaning to get off the subject here, but I wonder how much it hurt US intelligence when Sandy Burger stuffed documents down his pants.

this came from left field .......... tell me what does stealing copy of high security papers have to do with outing a CIA agent ?
only connection I see is they are both crimes ...........Now if Burger sold the copies , then you would be on to something ............

[W*GS]

Apparently, Ro missed

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1517041&postcount=18

[Spider]

Apparently, Ro missed

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1517041&postcount=18

and only you would compare the teachers union to outing a CIA agent ........

[Barry Ramey]

It's fact that Berger took not only originals, but it's very likely documents that the 9/11 Commission never saw. You know darn well that Berger didn't come up with this idea himself, nor would he bother risking his career for just copies of unimporant documents. He was trying to hide and protect somebody and not hard to guess who.

It's very interesting how Armitage's name never came up at the hearings since he is the first one to offer the name to Novak. Oh, because he's no friend of the Bushes, so he must have just made an "honest mistake" but the others purposely were going after Wilson and his wife. Nice mind reading going on here with this case.

It is so sad that Plame's life has been so ruined. Meanwhile she's appearing on TV shows, book deals, maybe a movie deal, posing on magazine covers, and getting public attention that she ever has gotten before. One can see how her life is ruined. Oh, has it been mentioned she gave the Gore campaign money back in 1999 when running for President? Nah, I'm sure her and her hubby were Republican Bush backers, just as lefty blogs try to convince others they were.

What's also interesting is seeing liberals worrying about the safety of a CIA member. The same CIA, before this case, they have clammered to be disbanded for years or at least severely underfunded and little power to do much. Plus ok with the NY Times reporting what things the CIA was doing to track terrorists and that's not treason to them, but are in hysterics over this Plame BS and believe this is treason though. Interesting stuff. Their hypocrisy continues.

[Spider]

It's fact that Berger took not only originals, but it's very likely documents that the 9/11 Commission never saw. You know darn well that Berger didn't come up with this idea himself, nor would he bother risking his career for just copies of unimporant documents. He was trying to hide and protect somebody and not hard to guess who.

It's very interesting how Armitage's name never came up at the hearings since he is the first one to offer the name to Novak. Oh, because he's no friend of the Bushes, so he must have just made an "honest mistake" but the others purposely were going after Wilson and his wife. Nice mind reading going on here with this case.

It is so sad that Plame's life has been so ruined. Meanwhile she's appearing on TV shows, book deals, maybe a movie deal, posing on magazine covers, and getting public attention that she ever has gotten before. One can see how her life is ruined. Oh, has it been mentioned she gave the Gore campaign money back in 1999 when running for President? Nah, I'm sure her and her hubby were Republican Bush backers, just as lefty blogs try to convince others they were.

What's also interesting is seeing liberals worrying about the safety of a CIA member. The same CIA, before this case, they have clammered to be disbanded for years or at least severely underfunded and little power to do much. Plus ok with the NY Times reporting what things the CIA was doing to track terrorists and that's not treason to them, but are in hysterics over this Plame BS and believe this is treason though. Interesting stuff. Their hypocrisy continues.

and now a word from the bullshítter .............
LOL BarrY = Conspiracy theorist Bwaaaaaaaaaa

[W*GS]

Poor Spider. He gets lost in a debate so easily. Too bad there isn't a receiver that uses something like GPS so he can keep track of where the argument is...

[Spider]

Poor Spider. He gets lost in a debate so easily. Too bad there isn't a receiver that uses something like GPS so he can keep track of where the argument is...

speaking of that , still waiting to see the word militias in the 1 st amendment ......

[Dudeskey]

Barry, stop reciting all the righty talking points already... Obviously you went go straight to the righty cranks for their take on it before reading the transcript. How about doing that first so you know what you're defending:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Plame_hearing_transcript_0316.html

[Spider]

Barry, stop reciting all the righty talking points already... Obviously you went go straight to the righty cranks for their take on it before reading the transcript. How about doing that first so you know what you're defending:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Plame_hearing_transcript_0316.html

LOL Barry cant come up with his own ideas .......... if the right wing talking points went away , Barry would be like W*GS .......... lost

[Play2win]

These are obviously HIGH CRIMES.

Anybody that does not see that should be seriously questioned about their allegiance to these United States of America.

[Spider]

SHould be little doubt that Barry wants the USA to be communism , and W*GS wants it to be a anarchy .......

[Rohirrim]

It's fact that Berger took not only originals, but it's very likely documents that the 9/11 Commission never saw. You know darn well that Berger didn't come up with this idea himself, nor would he bother risking his career for just copies of unimporant documents. He was trying to hide and protect somebody and not hard to guess who.

It's very interesting how Armitage's name never came up at the hearings since he is the first one to offer the name to Novak. Oh, because he's no friend of the Bushes, so he must have just made an "honest mistake" but the others purposely were going after Wilson and his wife. Nice mind reading going on here with this case.

It is so sad that Plame's life has been so ruined. Meanwhile she's appearing on TV shows, book deals, maybe a movie deal, posing on magazine covers, and getting public attention that she ever has gotten before. One can see how her life is ruined. Oh, has it been mentioned she gave the Gore campaign money back in 1999 when running for President? Nah, I'm sure her and her hubby were Republican Bush backers, just as lefty blogs try to convince others they were.

What's also interesting is seeing liberals worrying about the safety of a CIA member. The same CIA, before this case, they have clammered to be disbanded for years or at least severely underfunded and little power to do much. Plus ok with the NY Times reporting what things the CIA was doing to track terrorists and that's not treason to them, but are in hysterics over this Plame BS and believe this is treason though. Interesting stuff. Their hypocrisy continues.

I salute you for your ability to include every Faux News, O'Reilly, Hannity and Rush talking point into one post. :thumbsup:

I'm sure you'll be posting the magazine cover that Plame has "posed" for, or perhaps pointing out those TV shows where she has appeared in order to back up these claims? As far as posing for covers goes, I think you've mixed her up with Ann Coulter?

Oh, she's coming out with a book? What do you suggest a CIA agent do for income when the president's henchmen have ruined her thirty year career? Frankly, I've heard all the raving, Right wing Bush-apologists hyping their shows and products using Wilson & Plame's names for months. It's about time we got the other side of the story. Of course, I know you Bushies don't like it when the "other side" is allowed to speak. Perhaps that's why, when Bush goes somewhere to speak, even at taxpayer funded functions, his agents clear out any citizen beforehand who might indicate through clothing choice or bumper sticker that they might have even the slightest inclination to disagree? There's one set of rights for the Bushies, another set for everybody else, right?

Oh, and as far as Berger goes, I'm sure the one thing that truly must upset you is that Sandy came forward, pled guilty, and took his medicine. Bush's own justice department, including the snake Gonzalez, and the FBI, consider the case closed. But none of the Bush cabal will step forward and take responsibility for their actions, will they? That's their game. They talk personal responsibility, morality, and values, but they don't exercise any of them.

You Bush bots will go to any lengths to protect your boy, even when it means being apologists for traitors.

(I wouldn't have to do this stuff if LABF would come back. ;D)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I salute you for your ability to include every Faux News, O'Reilly, Hannity and Rush talking point into one post. :thumbsup:

I'm sure you'll be posting the magazine cover that Plame has "posed" for, or perhaps pointing out those TV shows where she has appeared in order to back up these claims? As far as posing for covers goes, I think you've mixed her up with Ann Coulter?

Oh, she's coming out with a book? What do you suggest a CIA agent do for income when the president's henchmen have ruined her thirty year career? Frankly, I've heard all the raving, Right wing Bush-apologists hyping their shows and products using Wilson & Plame's names for months. It's about time we got the other side of the story. Of course, I know you Bushies don't like it when the "other side" is allowed to speak. Perhaps that's why, when Bush goes somewhere to speak, even at taxpayer funded functions, his agents clear out any citizen beforehand who might indicate through clothing choice or bumper sticker that they might have even the slightest inclination to disagree? There's one set of rights for the Bushies, another set for everybody else, right?

Oh, and as far as Berger goes, I'm sure the one thing that truly must upset you is that Sandy came forward, pled guilty, and took his medicine. Bush's own justice department, including the snake Gonzalez, and the FBI, consider the case closed. But none of the Bush cabal will step forward and take responsibility for their actions, will they? That's their game. They talk personal responsibility, morality, and values, but they don't exercise any of them.

You Bush bots will go to any lengths to protect your boy, even when it means being apologists for traitors.

(I wouldn't have to do this stuff if LABF would come back. ;D)
Hilarious! LOL

[Bronco Bob]

It's fact that Berger took not only originals, but it's very likely documents that the 9/11 Commission never saw.
Where is your proof?


You know darn well that Berger didn't come up with this idea himself, nor would he bother risking his career for just copies of unimporant documents. He was trying to hide and protect somebody and not hard to guess who.
Where is your proof?



It is so sad that Plame's life has been so ruined.
It's even sadder for the country that the career of someone who
really was searching for WMDs was ruined.



Oh, has it been mentioned she gave the Gore campaign money back in 1999 when running for President? Nah, I'm sure her and her hubby were Republican Bush backers, just as lefty blogs try to convince others they were.
Proof?


What's also interesting is seeing liberals worrying about the safety of a CIA member. The same CIA, before this case, they have clammered to be disbanded for years or at least severely underfunded and little power to do much.
Prove the same liberals that are outraged by what the Bush cabal did
are the same ones calling for the disbanding of the CIA. I want to see
their names and direct quotes.


Plus ok with the NY Times reporting what things the CIA was doing to track terrorists and that's not treason to them, but are in hysterics over this Plame BS and believe this is treason though. Interesting stuff. Their hypocrisy continues.

Links to the NY Times articles.
And talk about hypocrisy. Your crowd is the one calling people who
don't support the Bush cabal's Iraq fiasco traitors. Yet are perfecting
willing to support the same Bush cabal and take their side when they
out a CIA agent searching for real WMDs, and put in danger everyone
working with her, and make other countries agents all that much
less willing to work with our agents for fear of getting exposed.

[Barry Ramey]

Funny how the lefties here worry so about a member of the CIA, an organization they overwhelmingly normally want underfunded if not disbanded.

They are quick to believe Armitage "made an honest mistake" yet there's no more proof of that than there is in this grand conspiracy these knuckleheads have dreamed up. Armitage wasn't brought up in the hearings simply because he's no friend to Bush.

If the liberals around here spent more time thinking for themselves and not reading the lefty blogs to get their "news" they actually might sound intelligent and informed.

Plame has appeared in magazines, Vanity Fair to be one, yet the lefties even deny that happened. Wilson's own bio named who his wife was and his wife's own testimony conflicts with what the hearings in the Senate came up with when this story first came to pass. She says she didn't recommend her husband, but that's not the findings of the previous hearings. But yeah, that's didn't happen either.

Like the typical lefties do, any facts they don't like, they pretend don't exist or find ways to dismiss them. They actually still believe Joe Wilson told the truth, yet that's not what the Senate Hearings concluded either. But I know, pretend that didn't happen either. I especially like Pat Roberts, who was on that committee, on Wilson: he either is confused and dosn't remember accurately or lying. Hmm, doesn't remember accurately. Maybe Wilson should be charged like Libby for having a "bad memory."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Funny how the lefties here worry so about a member of the CIA, an organization they overwhelmingly normally want underfunded if not disbanded.

They are quick to believe Armitage "made an honest mistake" yet there's no more proof of that than there is in this grand conspiracy these knuckleheads have dreamed up. Armitage wasn't brought up in the hearings simply because he's no friend to Bush.

If the liberals around here spent more time thinking for themselves and not reading the lefty blogs to get their "news" they actually might sound intelligent and informed.

Plame has appeared in magazines, Vanity Fair to be one, yet the lefties even deny that happened. Wilson's own bio named who his wife was and his wife's own testimony conflicts with what the hearings in the Senate came up with when this story first came to pass. She says she didn't recommend her husband, but that's not the findings of the previous hearings. But yeah, that's didn't happen either.

Like the typical lefties do, any facts they don't like, they pretend don't exist or find ways to dismiss them. They actually still believe Joe Wilson told the truth, yet that's not what the Senate Hearings concluded either. But I know, pretend that didn't happen either. I especially like Pat Roberts, who was on that committee, on Wilson: he either is confused and dosn't remember accurately or lying. Hmm, doesn't remember accurately. Maybe Wilson should be charged like Libby for having a "bad memory."
Bushbot numero uno Ramey just can't stand it when another criminal in that administration is singled out and held responsible. Life must suck when you support and are part of an ever shrinking minority of apologists for the criminals in charge.

[bendog]

It's fact that Berger took not only originals, but it's very likely documents that the 9/11 Commission never saw. You know darn well that Berger didn't come up with this idea himself, nor would he bother risking his career for just copies of unimporant documents. He was trying to hide and protect somebody and not hard to guess who.

It's very interesting how Armitage's name never came up at the hearings since he is the first one to offer the name to Novak. Oh, because he's no friend of the Bushes, so he must have just made an "honest mistake" but the others purposely were going after Wilson and his wife. Nice mind reading going on here with this case.

It is so sad that Plame's life has been so ruined. Meanwhile she's appearing on TV shows, book deals, maybe a movie deal, posing on magazine covers, and getting public attention that she ever has gotten before. One can see how her life is ruined. Oh, has it been mentioned she gave the Gore campaign money back in 1999 when running for President? Nah, I'm sure her and her hubby were Republican Bush backers, just as lefty blogs try to convince others they were.

What's also interesting is seeing liberals worrying about the safety of a CIA member. The same CIA, before this case, they have clammered to be disbanded for years or at least severely underfunded and little power to do much. Plus ok with the NY Times reporting what things the CIA was doing to track terrorists and that's not treason to them, but are in hysterics over this Plame BS and believe this is treason though. Interesting stuff. Their hypocrisy continues.

Barry, barry, barry. Never, ever, let the facts get in the way of your prejudices. WJC/Gore upped funding for the CIA, and bushii ignored warnings of terrorism. Were WJC / Gore perfect? Of course not, but they were at least looking in the right direction. As for terminateing the CIA, that idea's been floated by people in both parties. Not so much termination, but we have competing and conflicting intelligence services - DOD, DOS, NSA, CIA ....

[Garcia Bronco]

now there is a shocker Hilarious! not much you do know about except dodging and not answering tough questions

What he's saying is there is no difference bewteen the two. And he's right.

[Rohirrim]

Funny how the lefties here worry so about a member of the CIA, an organization they overwhelmingly normally want underfunded if not disbanded.

Already discredited.


They are quick to believe Armitage "made an honest mistake" yet there's no more proof of that than there is in this grand conspiracy these knuckleheads have dreamed up. Armitage wasn't brought up in the hearings simply because he's no friend to Bush.
Link?


If the liberals around here spent more time thinking for themselves and not reading the lefty blogs to get their "news" they actually might sound intelligent and informed.
Never read one. Wouldn't know where to find one. Unlike the Faux Noise puppets, I don't have to tune into others to figure out how I think.


Plame has appeared in magazines, Vanity Fair to be one, yet the lefties even deny that happened.
I looked into this. It appears Vanity Fair did a profile on Wilson and Plame in 2004. But what you said is that she "posed for magazine covers." A lie. I read the article. I assure you, you would never have the open mindedness to read that article. Plame did not cooperate with the interviewer. Wilson did.

Wilson's own bio named who his wife was and his wife's own testimony conflicts with what the hearings in the Senate came up with when this story first came to pass. She says she didn't recommend her husband, but that's not the findings of the previous hearings. But yeah, that's didn't happen either. Link?

Like the typical lefties do, any facts they don't like, they pretend don't exist or find ways to dismiss them. They actually still believe Joe Wilson told the truth, yet that's not what the Senate Hearings concluded either. Link?

But I know, pretend that didn't happen either. I especially like Pat Roberts, who was on that committee, on Wilson: he either is confused and dosn't remember accurately or lying. Hmm, doesn't remember accurately. Maybe Wilson should be charged like Libby for having a "bad memory."

You can't seem to back up anything you post and you ignore every post that rebuts your spurious claims. It's difficult work being an apologist for traitors.

[Stormontheplains]

Bill never pull moves like this, What about China staying at the white house, don't forget the staffer that killed himself, by the way before she was outed, she was on the cover for VanitFair, seems as though she really lived the spy lifestyle.

[Spider]

Bill never pull moves like this, What about China staying at the white house, don't forget the staffer that killed himself,
just for amusement , I dont think the entire country of Chinia stayed in the whitehouse , no where near enough bathrooms ...... and so Now Bill is responsible for people committing suicide ? you think the man is god like ?




by the way before she was outed, she was on the cover for VanitFair, seems as though she really lived the spy lifestyle.

I have looked everywhere i can think of to find that picture ..........got a copy or a link ?

[Spider]

What he's saying is there is no difference bewteen the two. And he's right.

so there is no difference ....................and this has what to do with fully automatic weapons ?

[Rohirrim]

Bill never pull moves like this, What about China staying at the white house, don't forget the staffer that killed himself, by the way before she was outed, she was on the cover for VanitFair, seems as though she really lived the spy lifestyle.

Wow! You sure are working hard to protect those traitors in the White House. So, Clinton has a Taiwanese born business woman over for a fund raising coffee - and that's treason? Vince Foster shoots himself - and that's treason? Plame was outted by the NY Times in June of 2003. The Vanity Fair article appeared in 2004 - and that's treason?

The Bush cabal lied us into a war. To protect those lies, they outted a covert CIA agent. That's treason.

Keep deflecting and apologizing all you want.

[TheDave]

Bill never pull moves like this, What about China staying at the white house, don't forget the staffer that killed himself, by the way before she was outed, she was on the cover for VanitFair, seems as though she really lived the spy lifestyle.

How is that possible?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703160015


Novak's July 14, 2003, column disclosed her identity,

Plame and Wilson appeared in the January 2004 issue of Vanity Fair, and the pictures in which she and Wilson appeared "in a convertible Jaguar" were taken on November 18, 2003 -- a full four months after Robert Novak revealed Plame's identity in his column.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bill never pull moves like this, What about China staying at the white house, don't forget the staffer that killed himself, by the way before she was outed, she was on the cover for VanitFair, seems as though she really lived the spy lifestyle.More Bushbot, Fox News BS! You and Ramey are quite the pair throwing sh*t @ walls and hoping it sticks. That might work in your right wing group therapy sessions but it won't in the real world where people are privy to more than grade school educations.

[Spider]

How is that possible?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703160015

I clicked that link , I busted up laughing at the Prosecuter doesnt go after a he said , she said , perjury case ............. if it is so odd , explain Clintons impeachment trial Hilarious! , The right wing is a freaking train wreck right now

[Dudeskey]

in****ingcredible... People are still digesting what the rightie echo chamber is feeding them on this? LOL c'mon, now...

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, April 1999

(speaking @ CIA HQ no less)

[Rohirrim]

in****ingcredible... People are still digesting what the rightie echo chamber is feeding them on this? LOL c'mon, now...

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, April 1999

(speaking @ CIA HQ no less)

Excerpt from the Vanity Fair article (link posted above):

Wilson says, "The longer it appears there's no obvious progress, the less credible it becomes, and the more it plays into the hands of those who believe an independent counsel will be necessary to get to the bottom of this. It's appalling to me that somebody who, for their own political reasons, would see fit to compromise national security could, close to six months after that date, still be in a position of trust in the U.S. government.... What strikes me is that so few Republicans are prepared to speak up on an issue of national-security concern."

One of the people who corresponded with Wilson is George H. W. Bush, the only president to have been head of the C.I.A.-he still receives regular briefings from Langley. Wilson will not divulge Bush's thoughts on the matter, but the day before giving his speech at the National Press Club, Wilson said, "it (gives) me great pain" to criticize the son of a man he'd so admired and felt some bond with.

But at the press club, Wilson attacked not only the advisers but also, on the issue of the leak, the president himself. "I, for one, am frankly appalled," he said, "appalled at the apparent nonchalance shown by the president of the United States on this."

[bendog]

It's like giving bad news to a three year old ... when they put their hands over their ears and stomp feet "I'm not listening."