World's Warmest Winter Recorded

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And the ten warmest years all time in the last 12 years.

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This was world's warmest recorded winter (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070316/ts_nm/winter_dc;_ylt=As1gAR3A4IzAikLcvnTUgc9g.3QA)
Fri Mar 16, 6:16 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - This has been the world's warmest winter since record-keeping began more than a century ago, the U.S. government agency that tracks weather reported on Thursday.


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People run during unseasonably warm weather in New York's Central Park, January 6, 2007. This has been the world's warmest winter since record-keeping began more than a century ago, the U.S. government agency that tracks weather reported on Thursday. (Brendan McDermid/Reuters)


The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said the combined global land and ocean surface temperature from December through February was at its highest since records began in 1880.

A record-warm January was responsible for pushing up the combined winter temperature, according to the agency's Web site, http://www.noaa.gov.

"Contributing factors were the long-term trend toward warmer temperatures as well as a moderate El Nino in the Pacific," Jay Lawrimore of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said in a telephone interview from Asheville, North Carolina.

The next-warmest winter on record was in 2004, and the third warmest winter was in 1998, Lawrimore said.

The ten warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

"We don't say this winter is evidence of the influence of greenhouse gases," Lawrimore said.

However, he noted that his center's work is part of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change process, which released a report on global warming last month that found climate change is occurring and that human activities quite likely play a role in the change.

"So we know as a part of that, the conclusions have been reached and the warming trend is due in part to rises in greenhouse gas emissions," Lawrimore said. "By looking at long-term trends and long-term changes, we are able to better understand natural and anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change."

The combined temperature for the December-February period was 1.3 degrees F (0.72 degree C) above the 20th century mean, the agency said. Lawrimore did not give an absolute temperature for the three-month period, and said the deviation from the mean was what was important. He did not provide the 20th century mean temperature.

Temperatures were above average for these months in Europe, Asia, western Africa, southeastern Brazil and the northeast half of the United States, with cooler-than-average conditions in parts of Saudi Arabia and the central United States.

Global temperature on land surface during the northern hemisphere winter was also the warmest on record, while the ocean-surface temperature tied for second warmest after the winter of 1997-98.

Over the past century, global surface temperatures have increased by about 0.11 degree F (0.06 degree C) per decade, but the rate of increase has been three times larger since 1976 -- around 0.32 degree F (0.18 degree C) per decade, with some of the biggest temperature rises in the high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere.

[Bronco Bob]

Yes but Sean Hannity says Global Warming is all just a plot by Al Gore and the
rest of those there left wing hippies to get us to wear hemp sandals.
And if Faux Noise says it, it is good enough for me, because they are right
about everything, and so I have no need to ever watch or read any of that
there Dan Rather liberal media that says otherwise.

[broncocalijohn]

It isnt as much as if there is global warming but if we can do anything about it to make a significant change. We had reports in the mid 70s of Global Cooling by some of the same reasons we have for global warming. To me, this is all natural and the Earth goes in cycles. Can we cool the temp down? Maybe less than 1/10th of a degree, but nothing to change what is happening naturally. Gore is an energy hypocrite.
Mars is losing ice caps on one of their moons (I believe Titan) and it's atmosphere is carbon dioxide. COuld this just be a solar system happening and not man made?

[Bronco Bob]

It isnt as much as if there is global warming but if we can do anything about it to make a significant change. We had reports in the mid 70s of Global Cooling by some of the same reasons we have for global warming.

In the 70's scientist became aware of aerosols having an influence on
climate. Aerosols make the earth cooler. They were also aware of the
influence on CO2, which makes the earth warmer. So the debate was
which would have the stronger influence, cooling aerosols or warming
CO2. Some felt aerosols, some felt CO2. But after studying the two
for over 30 years now, the majority of scientists now think it is the
influence of CO2. Actually aerosols do still make the earth cooler,
without them, the amount of CO2 in the air would make things even
warmer.


To me, this is all natural and the Earth goes in cycles. Can we cool the temp down? Maybe less than 1/10th of a degree, but nothing to change what is happening naturally. Not according to the research and scientific
evidence. This warming trend is highly unusual.

Gore is an energy hypocrite.

How so? Gore has a carbon footprint of zero, it other words his lifestyle
removes as much CO2 as he put into the air.


Mars is losing ice caps on one of their moons (I believe Titan) and it's atmosphere is carbon dioxide. COuld this just be a solar system happening and not man made?

Not to be rude, but you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
I hope to God you aren't getting your scientific info from Faux Noise
and other right wing sources. Here, read this about mars.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/

[cutthemdown]

The earth is getting warmer!!!!! We will have to deal with it and adapt!!!!! We can't stop it or reverse it. We are along for the ride. There are just too many people to expect that we will do better on the greenhouse gasses. India and China are growing to much for that. Anything we take away they will just add. We are going to have to watch very carefully to see how it effects the important things we need like agriculture and water. As far as the increased storms we will have to build stronger. Some areas eventually may get swallowed by a rising see so that also will have to be watched. I think though that humans will come through this ok. It wont be until some huge volcanoe blows up or we have a stellar impact that we get killed off.

[Garcia Bronco]

there isn't a large enough sample size to tell if this is natural or not...we just haven't been measuring long enough. However, since we will eventually run this planet out of resources we should so all that we can to conserve and have renewable sources of energy. and you can't defend Al Gore on this ****...he's a flaming hypocrite.

[Rigs11]

The right's take:


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[Bronco Bob]

there isn't a large enough sample size to tell if this is natural or not...we just haven't been measuring long enough. However, since we will eventually run this planet out of resources we should so all that we can to conserve and have renewable sources of energy. and you can't defend Al Gore on this ****...he's a flaming hypocrite.

We have measurements going back 600,000 years using Antarctic ice coring samples. How far back do we need to measure to detect a trend?
For the last 30 years or so, the amount of information we have about the planet has gone up by a couple of orders of magnitude - mainly due to satellite information on atmospheric (radiation, temperature, humidty, rainfall, cloudiness, composition etc.), ocean surface (temperature, ice cover, windiness) and land properties (land cover, albedo) etc. Below the surface, we are now measuring much more of the ocean changes in heat content and carbon. This data has transformed our view of the climate such that the scientists studying it can seriously discuss details of problems that twenty years ago were not even thought of as issues.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

there isn't a large enough sample size to tell if this is natural or not...we just haven't been measuring long enough. However, since we will eventually run this planet out of resources we should so all that we can to conserve and have renewable sources of energy. and you can't defend Al Gore on this ****...he's a flaming hypocrite.Explain why?

[Bronco Bob]

and you can't defend Al Gore on this ****...he's a flaming hypocrite.

Never say can't. Anything is possible if you work hard enough.

Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

Trumpeting the amount of energy Gore’s household consumes might look like red meat to hungry cons, but if that energy is largely solar-generated, and the rest generated from green sources, then that slab of right-wing-outrage calories doesn’t look like such a nutritious meal anymore, does it? More like a fistful of right-wing-outrage Doritos.

It’s the latest in a series of desperate attacks by Drudge to paint Gore as a hypocrite.

[cutthemdown]

Never say can't. Anything is possible if you work hard enough.

Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

Trumpeting the amount of energy Gore’s household consumes might look like red meat to hungry cons, but if that energy is largely solar-generated, and the rest generated from green sources, then that slab of right-wing-outrage calories doesn’t look like such a nutritious meal anymore, does it? More like a fistful of right-wing-outrage Doritos.

It’s the latest in a series of desperate attacks by Drudge to paint Gore as a hypocrite.


Well most people don't have the extra money to purchase energy credits or whatever it is they are doing. Besides with countries like India and China using more it won't matter anyways world will continue to warm. We need to look at how we will adapt to it. Hey can I reduce my carbon footprint if I convert my mini-nuke to heat my pool?

[Garcia Bronco]

We have measurements going back 600,000 years using Antarctic ice coring samples. How far back do we need to measure to detect a trend?
For the last 30 years or so, the amount of information we have about the planet has gone up by a couple of orders of magnitude - mainly due to satellite information on atmospheric (radiation, temperature, humidty, rainfall, cloudiness, composition etc.), ocean surface (temperature, ice cover, windiness) and land properties (land cover, albedo) etc. Below the surface, we are now measuring much more of the ocean changes in heat content and carbon. This data has transformed our view of the climate such that the scientists studying it can seriously discuss details of problems that twenty years ago were not even thought of as issues.

Were we here 600,000 taking the measurements? No. Those are all estimates and can be true or false. There is no way to actually prove it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Explain why?

Because he consumes more power than most of the people he's trying to deliver his message to.

[Bronco Bob]

Well most people don't have the extra money to purchase energy credits or whatever it is they are doing.
But things like compact fluorescent bulbs save you money. And you
can actually make money generating you own power from solar panels
because you are allowed to sell back the excess power they generate
to the utility company.



Besides with countries like India and China using more it won't matter anyways world will continue to warm. We need to look at how we will adapt to it.

Where is their incentive if the USA refuses to reduce its CO2 emissions?


Hey can I reduce my carbon footprint if I convert my mini-nuke to heat my pool?

Of course. And like I said, if you tie it to the grid you can even make money.
Fact is if everyone had a mini-nuke generating their own power we could
solve the problem of CO2 emissions overnight.

[Bronco Bob]

Were we here 600,000 taking the measurements? No. Those are all estimates and can be true or false. There is no way to actually prove it.

Who says we can't prove it? What do you define as proof?

[Garcia Bronco]

Who says we can't prove it? What do you define as proof?

Being there in real time to take the measurements.

[spdirty]

Im gonna go get a bumper sticker on my truck...Gonna make it say "I love my gas guzzling, global warming causing death machine."

I'll guarun-damn-tee you this though...This was the damn COLDEST winter Ive ever experienced in Colorado, and anyone who disagrees with that either doesn't live here or is a damn fool.

[Bronco Bob]

Im gonna go get a bumper sticker on my truck...Gonna make it say "I love my gas guzzling, global warming causing death machine."

I'll guarun-damn-tee you this though...This was the damn COLDEST winter Ive ever experienced in Colorado, and anyone who disagrees with that either doesn't live here or is a damn fool.

That may be well and good, but what was the winter like in Gambia?

[spdirty]

That may be well and good, but what was the winter like in Gambia?

good question...Ive been losing sleep wondering about that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Because he consumes more power than most of the people he's trying to deliver his message to.
So what? He has ZERO carbon footprint, so your assertion of him being a hypocrite is based on ignorance rather than fact.

[Bronco Bob]

Hell, even Dubya is jumping on the lets solve the global warming bandwagon.
I happened to catch a little of him on CSPAN, and he was prattling on about
putting batteries in cars used in urban areas so they could go 20 miles
before they had to use any gasoline, which would help the environment.
I got to wonder just what is the deniers agenda. Just being contrary?
Think they know more than everyone else. Misguided loyalty to the
right wing? I mean every denial argument they offer is easily debunked.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hell, even Dubya is jumping on the lets solve the global warming bandwagon.
I happened to catch a little of him on CSPAN, and he was prattling on about
putting batteries in cars used in urban areas so they could go 20 miles
before they had to use any gasoline, which would help the environment.
I got to wonder just what is the deniers agenda. Just being contrary?
Think they know more than everyone else. Misguided loyalty to the
right wing? I mean every denial argument they offer is easily debunked.
Oh hell no! Bush got busted trying to fabricate (rewrite) scientific reports on global warming and ever since, has become a fan of the environment. That and polls now show Americans are very aware of the number of scientists who are sounding the GL alarm now.

Political suicide to oppose global warming now for Republicans.

[TheDave]

We have measurements going back 600,000 years using Antarctic ice coring samples.


That's impossible... The earth is only 2,000 years old Ha!

[Bronco Bob]

That's impossible... The earth is only 2,000 years old Ha!

That must have come as one hell of a shock to Adam, Noah, Moses, Daniel, King David, Solomon, and all the rest the guys in the Old Testament. I guess they were all just sort of floating out in space until Jesus came along?

[TheDave]

That must have come as one hell of a shock to Adam, Noah, Moses, Daniel, King David, Solomon, and all the rest the guys in the Old Testament. I guess they were all just sort of floating out in space until Jesus came along?

Alright you got me...6000... good ???



(i can never remember what the "young earth" types claim)

[Bronco Bob]

(i can never remember what the "young earth" types claim)

You aren't the only one. Listening to some of them, I think they even have a hard time remembering. :~ohyah!:

[Spider]

there isn't a large enough sample size to tell if this is natural or not...we just haven't been measuring long enough. However, since we will eventually run this planet out of resources we should so all that we can to conserve and have renewable sources of energy. and you can't defend Al Gore on this ****...he's a flaming hypocrite.

where do you come up with this crap ?
Al Gore has defended himself well , doesnt need anyone to defend him ........
Just like the Nancy Pelosi and the plane ........ The truth is Nancy offered to fly commercial flights like the rest of us ............ What does the right come up with ? thats right a flat out lie ...........Let me ask you this Garcia , name 1 thing the right has said that has turned out to be truth

[broncocalijohn]

That's impossible... The earth is only 2,000 years old Ha!

Dave nice try on the bibical since but Jesus was born 2k ago not the earth. Jews have been around well before Jesus so try again.

[broncocalijohn]

The best thing about libs like Bob is that he comes to aid the hypocrite like Gore and I am sure Senator Feinstein. You and your liberal kind are the same people that blast companies for getting credit on pollution during our current administration but have no problem with Gore blowing more energy (20 times than the average electric bill) and CO2 into the atmosphere than just the average person and then purchasing some bogus credits carbon footprints from his own company that he owns with stocks. He needs to set examples not have others do his dirty work. Private jets put so much damn CO2 in the atmosphere on one round trip than we use in a year. The only earthy person i respect is Ed Begley Jr. He peddles his bike to watch tv. Now that is the extreme but who is more extreme in the media than AlGore? Dont get me wrong as I am for recycling big time and I drive a toyota corolla for the purpose of saving gas. I hate the 2 person family driving a SUV (but it is their American right to do so). Trying to do the "right" thing is one thing, but to bring down many sectors in our country for something like global warming that we probably cant do much help to is a waste. Bob, read up on what all is suggesting to lower the temps. It wont go down much. Plus, what will you do with countries like China?

[Bronco Bob]

The best thing about libs like Bob is that he comes to aid the hypocrite like Gore and I am sure Senator Feinstein. You and your liberal kind are the same people that blast companies for getting credit on pollution during our current administration but have no problem with Gore blowing more energy (20 times than the average electric bill) and CO2 into the atmosphere than just the average person and then purchasing some bogus credits carbon footprints from his own company that he owns with stocks. He needs to set examples not have others do his dirty work. Private jets put so much damn CO2 in the atmosphere on one round trip than we use in a year.

There have been a number of responses to this claim. TIME stated that the Tennessee Center for Policy Research claimed to have gotten "its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information." TIME further quoted Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for Gore, as saying that the source of the energy is green energy. WKRN-TV reported that the Gore family obtains their power from the Nashville Electric Service's "renewable energy initiative", The Green Power Switch program which depends upon "wind, solar, and methane gas." The Detroit Free Press further noted that "Gore purchased 108 blocks of 'green power' for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills. That’s a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.The green power Gore purchased is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES’s Web site." The figure of 108 blocks of green power per month corresponds to 16,200 kilowatt-hours of electricity per month, Al Gore's average monthly use for 2005.

Keith Olbermann at MSNBC reported that the Gore home includes offices for both Gore and his wife and 'special security measures' making it unrepresentative of what the average US home consumes. Additionally, the green power purchased by the Gores increased the cost of their electricity by "$5,893, more than 50 percent, in order to minimize carbon pollution."

Kreider suggested in TIME that the attacks on Gore's energy use were political in nature and stated:
“ Sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger. ”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1594368,00.html

http://www.nespower.com/green_power_switch.aspx

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS07/70227039

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703010008



Trying to do the "right" thing is one thing, but to bring down many sectors in our country for something like global warming that we probably cant do much help to is a waste. Bob, read up on what all is suggesting to lower the temps. It wont go down much.
So basically live for today and to hell with our children's children.
What did posterity ever do for me, right?

Plus, what will you do with countries like China?
China's attitude is why should they be doing anything when America isn't.
If we set the example, they will follow.

[broncocalijohn]

China will do something if we will? LOL! Come on we are talking about China here. They run their own ship. They pollute like we did in the 1800s. You still didnt answer the question of the temps go down by us cutting back emissions and such will it make enough to end global warming. I am sorry, but it wont. There are just things that we cannot do and is natural. We are in a cycle. Have the temps gone up because of more humans on the earth and using products that can relate to the warming? Sure. But I dont think it can make a big enough difference.

[Bronco Bob]

You still didnt answer the question of the temps go down by us cutting back emissions and such will it make enough to end global warming. I am sorry, but it wont. There are just things that we cannot do and is natural. We are in a cycle. Have the temps gone up because of more humans on the earth and using products that can relate to the warming? Sure. But I dont think it can make a big enough difference.

I disagree. What more can I say? I could throw up a hundred articles showing
that you are wrong, but your mind is already made up and anything I show
you, you wouldn't believe anyway, so what's the use?

[Spider]

China will do something if we will? LOL! Come on we are talking about China here. They run their own ship. They pollute like we did in the 1800s. You still didnt answer the question of the temps go down by us cutting back emissions and such will it make enough to end global warming. I am sorry, but it wont. There are just things that we cannot do and is natural. We are in a cycle. Have the temps gone up because of more humans on the earth and using products that can relate to the warming? Sure. But I dont think it can make a big enough difference.
pretty much received a`smack down on the gore thing ..........But I dont blame you on that , the right has a long history of producing stuff as facts , when in reality , they are far from truth , Nanci Pelosi pane was another one ........
The right goes off half cocked in hopes something will stick , with all the predictions of Bush and Cheney and Iraq proving to be false , the right wing really doesnt have much left in the tank to keep fighting .........

[cbs1177]

I am not totally sold on crazy weather. I mean the ancient Indian cultures suffered crazy drought mayans in general. I mean we have el nino and el nina and of course we track weather patterns bettter now then ever. just saying 100 years ago they didn't have exact measurement we have now. so most measurements go back at least 100 years. just saying. Oh and denver had great snow fall this year and yet warmest on record??

[Spider]

I am not totally sold on crazy weather. I mean the ancient Indian cultures suffered crazy drought mayans in general. I mean we have el nino and el nina and of course we track weather patterns bettter now then ever. just saying 100 years ago they didn't have exact measurement we have now. so most measurements go back at least 100 years. just saying. Oh and denver had great snow fall this year and yet warmest on record??

we didnt get much here in Wyoming

[TheDave]

Dave nice try on the bibical since but Jesus was born 2k ago not the earth. Jews have been around well before Jesus so try again.

Alright here are the range of ages young earth goofs seems to believe in.....

The defining characteristic of this belief is that the Earth is "young", on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism


So from now on when mocking "Young Earth" posters i will use 6,000 years... Everyone Happy Now?

Good :thumbs:

[bendog]

Alright here are the range of ages young earth goofs seems to believe in.....



So from now on when mocking "Young Earth" posters i will use 6,000 years... Everyone Happy Now?

Good :thumbs:

It'll do no good. The rapture is imminent, so worries about the environment and warming are merely distractions from the real issue .... will you be left behind?

[TheDave]

.... will you be left behind?


Probably 8')

[bendog]

I read somthing, maybe on this board, about a supervisor who cancelled a meeting for later in the week, because his church had determined rapture would occur before the meeting, so he would not be attending, and the meeting was unnecessary. I know the place I work is messed up, but damnnnn. What do you do with a nutjob like that?

[TailgateNut]

I read somthing, maybe on this board, about a supervisor who cancelled a meeting for later in the week, because his church had determined rapture would occur before the meeting, so he would not be attending, and the meeting was unnecessary. I know the place I work is messed up, but damnnnn. What do you do with a nutjob like that?


Get as far away as possible.