New nfldraftcountdown 3-round mock!!!

[ColoradoBuff]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Spencer
Marten
Piscitelli
Thomas

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Marten and Sabby, but not Spencer and Thomas.

[Jens1893]

I like Marten and Sabby, but not Spencer and Thomas.

Just the other way around for me. Although I´d rather have Meachem, Griffin or Bowe at 21.

[ColoradoBuff]

Just the other way around for me. Although I´d rather have Meachem, Griffin or Bowe at 21.

I agree. I really wish there was a way to get Meachem/Bowe and Griffin.

[Jens1893]

I agree. I really wish there was a way to get Meachem/Bowe and Griffin.

Especially Griffin has caught my eye recently ...

[Jens1893]

Hmmm, the last WR we drafted out of Knoxville didn´t exactly set the world alight here. Hmmm, hmmm ... WR in the first scares me a little.

[Barry Ramey]

I'm not too eager for a WR at #21 myself. They can still get a quality one in the 2nd round if want a WR. None of these WR's figuring to be around the Bronco pick are sure things.

[brncs_fan]

The Broncos have some pretty solid players at defensive end but lack a difference maker so after failing in their attempts to land John Abraham a year ago and Patrick Kerney this offseason a top pass rusher will likely be their main target on Draft Day. Somewhat of an underrated player, Spencer lacks the ideal size you look for but he is one of the premier pass rushers in this draft and will likely go a lot higher than most think after a senior campaign that saw him notch 26.5 tackles for a loss. After trading away George Foster offensive tackle is now a concern and it's probably time to bring in a top young safety to groom as well but defensive end is far and away their most glaring need and most would be shocked if they went in any other direction with this selection, although Mike Shanahan does have a tendency to surprise on Draft Day. Adam Carriker and Jarvis Moss would also be strong candidates if they were still available but with those two off the board the Broncos opt for the next best thing and grab the speedy and athletic Spencer.


Didn't we draft that skilled yet undersized DE last year?

[Paladin]

Spencer is a second round at best. Besides, when the trades all get done, these projections will smell bad.

[Barry Ramey]

Spencer is 6'3, 266lbs, not the 5'11, 250lbs like Dumervil. Plus Spencer had not only 10.5 sacks last year, but also had 26 tackles for loss, which is the most of any DE in this draft and had 5 forced fumbles, which I believe is also the most of any DE in the draft, so the guy has a nose for the ball, not to mention 4.7 type speed.

[Barry Ramey]

Heck, the article also mentions John Abraham and I remember quite a few Bronco fans clammering to get him at almost any price last year and he's listed at 6'4, 258lbs.

[Steve Prefontaine]

Spencer is 6'3, 266lbs, not the 5'11, 250lbs like Dumervil. Plus Spencer had not only 10.5 sacks last year, but also had 26 tackles for loss, which is the most of any DE in this draft and had 5 forced fumbles, which I believe is also the most of any DE in the draft, so the guy has a nose for the ball, not to mention 4.7 type speed.
I agree. People are getting too carried away with Dumervil comparisons. Some people tag any DE that is under 6’5” and 270 pounds as being a Dumervil clone.

I have actually warmed up to taking Spencer in the first. He is quick off the edge and works hard. At this point I think I prefer him over Jarvis Moss and Charles Johnson.

I also wouldn’t mind Griffin in the first if DE is addressed in the 2nd and/or 3rd.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

[-Slap-]

I like Marten but second round is way too high.

[azbroncfan]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

Florida Bronco claims Dumverville isn't a reliability against the run? What do you think?

[Steve Prefontaine]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

No, you don’t cut Dumervil. Dumervil is a situational pass rusher until he proves otherwise, not an every down DE.

[Rascal]

Dumerville can be subbed in for Ekuban on passing situations. If we can get a DE that can play run decently enough, while being a force on rushing the passer we have to get them. At 266 pounds Spencer is heavy enough, just not sure about the rest of him.

I think 21 is too high on him though. I'd like to trade down to mid-lower 20 if he is the best DE available.

Ideally I'd love to get him and Griffith, but that is a pipe dream.

[Houshyamama]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

:kiddingme

DLE Robert Mathis Height: 6-2 Weight: 245
DRE Dwight Freeney Height: 6-1 Weight: 268

[Barry Ramey]

Moss is the guy I would want, but character concerns worry me. Drafting Spencer would not effect Dumervil's status on the team at all and with Spencer's having the most tackles for loss for DE's in college, I don't go along with him being that big a liability against the run if at all.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Spencer will be a pass rusher period. Look at his body makeup. He has no ass and very skinny legs. He has built up his upper body to get the weight but will never be able to get any leverage with toothpick legs. If you have watched any Purdue games, you would see the only time he makes a play is when he is compltely untouched.

[Barry Ramey]

Quick name another DL on Purdue? I'm supposed to believe Spencer made all those plays because teams didn't make it a point to block him worrying about who else on that DL? Spencer, from the pictures I've seen, looks thick enough in the legs to me. Besides, they said Jason Taylor had skinny legs too and he has done just fine. Who would you pick instead? Plus, the Broncos are looking for pass rushers, so what's wrong with that? Reminds of Buddy Ryan saying "only thing Chris Carter does is score touchdowns."

[BroncoInferno]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

Why can't you have two pass rush specialists who play mainly on 3rd downs and nickle situations? Sounds like a good thing to me.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Who would I take instead that might be available at 21?

Reggie Nelson
Lawrence Timmons
Jon Beason
Ray McDonald
Robert Meacham
Justin Harrell
Joe Staley
Tim Crowder
Charles Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Michael Griffin

almost forgot - Purdue's other DE was a guy named Cavallo

[Broncoman13]

Couple notes... I like Spencer and think he'll be a very good end in the pass rush department. His TFL's also show that he can make plays vs the run, but I don't think he'll be the same player in the NFL. Levi Brown had some good things to say about him so I would be disappointed with the pick, but I'd much prefer to get Anderson, Carriker, or Crowder as they have the size we lack at DE.

Marcus Thomas will never last to the late 3rd. Not gonna happen. It will likely take our 2nd round pick if we're high on him and maybe, just maybe he lasts until #70.

I like Sabby but would rather have Wendling. Sabby rounds out the top 7-9 safties in this draft. Wendling is probably #6. I would take any of these guys before Sabby... Landry, Griffin, Nelson, Meriweather, Weddle, Wendling, Grattis, and it would be a toss up between Rouse and Sabby.

Like: Spencer and Sabby picks.
Hate: Marten pick
Never gonna happen: Marcus Thomas at the end of round 3, but if it happened I'd love it!

[Broncoman13]

Who would I take instead that might be available at 21?

Reggie Nelson I could live with that.
Lawrence Timmons I'd be pissed!
Jon Beason Not the end of the world...but close.
Ray McDonald @21??? No way! At 53...sure.
Robert Meacham Wouldn't mind one bit.
Justin Harrell Little early, but not bad.
Joe Staley Grrrr... it would be a reach for a "need".
Tim Crowder A bit early, but not a bad selection.
Charles Johnson What's the diff in he and Spencer?
Dwayne Bowe Would rather Meachem, but not bad.
Michael Griffin He or Reggie Nelson would be fine w/me!

almost forgot - Purdue's other DE was a guy named Cavallo

Nelson, Meachem, Griffin, Bowe, Harrell, Crowder, Johnson, McDonald, Staley, Beason, and Timmons in that order.

[Barry Ramey]

Who would I take instead that might be available at 21?

Reggie Nelson
Lawrence Timmons
Jon Beason
Ray McDonald
Robert Meacham
Justin Harrell
Joe Staley
Tim Crowder
Charles Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Michael Griffin

almost forgot - Purdue's other DE was a guy named Cavallo

Actually I meant which DE's would you rather take at #21? You say Johnson, yet after downgrading Spencer for beign too small, you'd rather have a guy who is shorter and weighs only about 10 more pounds than him? Makes no sense.

Crowder is bigger, but lacks speed, so not sure how effecive he'll be in this defense.

McDonald's knock is lack of speed. Again, Bates wants big DT's in the middle and fast guys on the outside. Sure, would be great to find a DE with size and great speed to get to the QB, but those guys get taken in the top 10 of the draft. At #21, if they can get a guy that can hold his own against the run, but can really get after the QB, isn't that what the Broncos could use?

[Paladin]

Why can't you have two pass rush specialists who play mainly on 3rd downs and nickle situations? Sounds like a good thing to me.

When do they get in against the No Huddle? And I think the Broncos will see a lot of that this year. (I hope the Broncos do it some, too.)

[nickademus]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

um I would have to dissagree with that one maybe they cut lange but Dummerville has shown promise as a rookie and will get a chance to get after it, not to mention he is cheap talent for the d-line. cutting lange would make more sense here, but I doubt that happens either.

[Broncoman13]

Actually I meant which DE's would you rather take at #21? You say Johnson, yet after downgrading Spencer for beign too small, you'd rather have a guy who is shorter and weighs only about 10 more pounds than him? Makes no sense.

Crowder is bigger, but lacks speed, so not sure how effecive he'll be in this defense.

McDonald's knock is lack of speed. Again, Bates wants big DT's in the middle and fast guys on the outside. Sure, would be great to find a DE with size and great speed to get to the QB, but those guys get taken in the top 10 of the draft. At #21, if they can get a guy that can hold his own against the run, but can really get after the QB, isn't that what the Broncos could use?


You do realize that Crowder and Spencer are almost identical speeds right? In fact, Crowder might be a little bit faster, but Spencer the more quick of the two.

[Barry Ramey]

You do realize that Crowder and Spencer are almost identical speeds right? In fact, Crowder might be a little bit faster, but Spencer the more quick of the two.

Maybe the speed is about the same running a straight line in a 40 yard run, but playing speed is quite different and I think Spencer is not only quicker, but faster in that regard going against an OT.

[wabbit]

I like the mock...I would be pretty happy with this bunch...especially Marten & Piscitelli, and more specifically Piscitelli.

I think there are some great sleepers in this years college crop &, unlike some years, there are some really great potential guys that stretch out into the later rounds...especially at WR, D-line & DBs.

Should be interesting...it will always be fun, and, at times over the last few years, my radio/television can be at serious risk.

[Durango]

I like the mock...I would be pretty happy with this bunch...especially Marten & Piscitelli, and more specifically Piscitelli.

I think there are some great sleepers in this years college crop &, unlike some years, there are some really great potential guys that stretch out into the later rounds...especially at WR, D-line & DBs.

Should be interesting...it will always be fun, and, at times over the last few years, my radio/television can be at serious risk.

No offense, but isn't Piscitelli a SS. I've been reading up some and isn't Josh Gattis of Wake Forest a better possibility. Gattis is a 4.5/40 guy and a FS. There's no telling what kind of comeback Ferguson can make from his injury, and frankly, he seems to be kind of a stop-gap kind of guy to start with.

[Barry Ramey]

People keep forgetting that Brandon is coming back and if healthy, which I'm assuming he will, I think he starts at FS. Piscitelli is seen as more a SS and the Broncos could very well draft someone to replace Lynch in a couple years or so and not someone to play FS. With Brandon, Cox, and Abdullah all showing promise and young, I just don't see this huge need at safety.

Gattis is probably more a FS, but probably could play SS if need be.

[mhgaffney]

Assuming we stay pat at #21 Shanny will pick the best available athlete -- whoever falls -- whether a DE, S, or DT -- and who knows? -- maybe even OL.

One man's opinion.

[Mediator12]

Hey big guy, which Purdue games did you watch this year? Spencer was a monster on a really underachieving defense. He made 17 first down saving tackles in the run game last year on third or fourth and short. That right there tells me he can play the run just fine.

Remember that the triangle numbers affect draft position, but not talent level people. Spencer has improved his technique versus the double teams, improved his ball awareness skills and almost never gets fooled on misdirection, and hits like Dwight Freeney forcing fumbles. Spencer would be an ideal RDE for Bates scheme. He also would fit in well with the increasing number of Cover two, one gap scheme defenses that both played in the superbowl.

[Rascal]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Brandon was more of a SS then a FS, and was probably the heir to SS when Lynch finally calls it good.

[Rascal]

I think I like Spencer more then Moss.

[Barry Ramey]

I'd be very happy with Spencer, who doesn't have character concerns that I know of either. Brandon has played all over the secondary and I think his best position would be at FS in place of Ferguson since he's the better in coverage.

[WABronco]

Piscitelli looks like Taylor but plays like a nickelback. With his build and athletic ability he should decimate in the box and be a force.

He still figures to be a nice player, but he's not the beast-type, run-everyone-over player he appears to be. I wouldn't say "soft" or anything, but you get the point.

[Mediator12]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Brandon was more of a SS then a FS, and was probably the heir to SS when Lynch finally calls it good.

It will be interesting to see how Bates plays John Lynch. Lynch was a SS until he came to Denver, but he played FS in Coyer's scheme. Bates plays a lot of double safety deep coverage because of his press man coverage scheme. Also, he like to play cover one on first down. Which safety plays centerfield in cover one?

FS is wide open right now and It will be interesting to see how Lynch is used.

[baja]

Med who do you think would be the best safety for Bates' scheme that we reasonably can expect to get?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Hey big guy, which Purdue games did you watch this year? Spencer was a monster on a really underachieving defense. He made 17 first down saving tackles in the run game last year on third or fourth and short. That right there tells me he can play the run just fine.

Remember that the triangle numbers affect draft position, but not talent level people. Spencer has improved his technique versus the double teams, improved his ball awareness skills and almost never gets fooled on misdirection, and hits like Dwight Freeney forcing fumbles. Spencer would be an ideal RDE for Bates scheme. He also would fit in well with the increasing number of Cover two, one gap scheme defenses that both played in the superbowl.

Med - I watched Purdue vs Indiana, MSU, ND and Wis plus the bowl game against Maryland. It looked to me that the entire DL scheme was to free Spencer by sliding to the right and stunting to keep the tackle off him by Averil and the other DT. My big problem with Spencer is that he is so skiinny in his lower body that his legs don't even cast a shadow. I don't think he will ever have any power moves and I can't see him holding up against the big guys in the NFL. He reminds me of James from Wisconsin a couple of years back who went to the Vikings and has had almost no impact.

[Mediator12]

Med who do you think would be the best safety for Bates' scheme that we reasonably can expect to get?

Josh Gattis (Wake Forrest) seems to be slipping on some boards for some unknown reason. Personally, I think he is the best bang for the buck Safety in the whole draft. He has made MORE plays than the other high ranked guys as a FS. Excellent ST's player as well.

Landry, Griffin, and Nelson are going to be expensive and outside that level of need. Other candidates are Tanard Jackson (Syracuse), CJ Gaddis (Clemson), and possibly Dashon Goldson (washington).

[Mediator12]

Med - I watched Purdue vs Indiana, MSU, ND and Wis plus the bowl game against Maryland. It looked to me that the entire DL scheme was to free Spencer by sliding to the right and stunting to keep the tackle off him by Averil and the other DT. My big problem with Spencer is that he is so skiinny in his lower body that his legs don't even cast a shadow. I don't think he will ever have any power moves and I can't see him holding up against the big guys in the NFL. He reminds me of James from Wisconsin a couple of years back who went to the Vikings and has had almost no impact.

James has been injured alot but has been much better than Udeze this last year ;D

I think Spencer benefitted from their scheme alot as well, but he continued to make plays when he was freed, unlike guys like Moses and Abiamiri. Spencer also was doubled more than I thought he would have been and still made plays in both aspects of the game. He was a sure tackler and striker and his edge speed and underneath moves were productive against good players.

Unfortunately, he played hurt versus Joe Thomas and Levi Brown. However, he made a few plays versus both of them in run and passing games. I thought he looked OK versus Maryland but not what I expected to see when he was healthy.

[BroncoInferno]

CJ Gaddis (Clemson)

Are they projecting CJ as a safety, Med? He played corner at Clemson. He was solid for us, with the highlight coming last season against Georgia Tech when he hold Calvin Johnson to 0 catches. You read that right...zero. He probably should have stayed another year, and I'm not sure he's physical enough to play safety.

[Mediator12]

From what I have heard, yes. Gaddis played everywhere for Clemson including LB. I have a friend on staff there and he says that Gaddis could play either Safety position in the pros, but has the ball skills to play FS and that is his best projected position right now. I am hoping to get some more game tape and that Clemson/GT game is one I want to see.

[cutthemdown]

If you draft Spencer, you probably cut Dummerville. Can't have a roster of DEs who are liabilities against the run.

I disagree. Bates system has always used smaller fast d ends, big d tackles. The linebacking sniffs out the run with speed to the sidelines.