War action alert!

[mhgaffney]

**Iraq & Iran Action Alert**

Please Distribute Widely!

Urge House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (202-225-0100) & Your Reps (888.851.1879) to VOTE NO on another 100-billion for the Iraq Occupation. Reject the Iraq supplemental appropriations bill scheduled for debate tomorrow.

** Urge Pelosi (202-225-0100) & Your Reps (888.851.1879) to Force Bush to get congressional authorization for any attack on Iran. Tell them the LA County Democratic Party Central Committee voted last night to encourage members of the California Democratic Party to ONLY ENDORSE CANDIDATES WHO OPPOSE A US OR PROXY ATTACK ON IRAN and to require Bush to get congressional authorization for war.

More information & Contact Numbers Below (also Iran resolution)

Call Pelosi's office in DC 202-225-0100 ask for Mike Sheehy, or call (415)-556-4862 for her San Francisco office and ask for Dan Bernal. Tell them the Speaker should cut off all funds for the war. Don't allow Bush to attack Iran! Don't forget to also call your own Representative to tell him or her to Vote NO on the supplemental appropriations. The Congressional switchboard can be reached at 888.851.1879.

[yavoon]

what in the name of steaming donkey **** is an action alert? isnt that what they use on subs?

[Garcia Bronco]

I just called and told them to cote for it...abd to hit Iran for you mini nuke

[ant1999e]

Woohoo! Keep the war machine going. Iran, here we come.

[cbs1177]

Dear Taco John I know you are humble but some poster are slowing down the mane. i know I haven't contributed to the main forum much but at least I don't clog up the site with Sh*t. Not telling you how to run the place but with some people there is no hope. Don't feel any thing for mhgaffery or however it is spelled he has posted several reply that he is known in the printed world so if you cut him out he still has his loyal following so no worries on your part.

[Bronco Bob]

Does Taco John venture into this minefield? I can't recall seeing him here.

[cutthemdown]

I just called and ordered the new jbu-730 self contained thermonuclear backpack mini-nuke. It's really cool and even recharges my Ipod.

[Spider]

I just called and ordered the new jbu-730 self contained thermonuclear backpack mini-nuke. It's really cool and even recharges my Ipod.

hey , my wife could use 2 more arms , maybe we could work out a deal with Radiation and all ;D

[ak1971]

I just called and ordered the new jbu-730 self contained thermonuclear backpack mini-nuke. It's really cool and even recharges my Ipod.

does it have Red Mercury?

[cutthemdown]

does it have Red Mercury?

No I couldn't afford that one, plus it only comes in black and that doesn't match my new mini nuke conversion delivery system. It converts any mini-nuke into a warhead that can be launched on any number of Estes Model rocket kits.

[spdirty]

No I couldn't afford that one, plus it only comes in black and that doesn't match my new mini nuke conversion delivery system. It converts any mini-nuke into a warhead that can be launched on any number of Estes Model rocket kits.

I hear only Wal Mart sells it...is that correct?

[mhgaffney]

I just called and told them to cote for it...abd to hit Iran for you mini nuke

So you called him and told him to 'cote" for it?

That's par for the course on this board.

[mhgaffney]

I know the woman who wrote this article. Alison Weir is a remarkable person. She's motivated not by hate but by a burning heartfelt need to talk truth to power.

This disgraceful policy of strip searching woman has been routine for many years at Israel checkpoints -- and I have yet to see any mention of it in the mainstream US media.

MHG

March 15, 2007

Humiliation and Child Abuse at Israeli Checkpoints

Strip-Searching Children
http://www.counterpunch.org/karkar03152007.html

By ALISON WEIR

Israeli officials have been regularly strip-searching children for decades, some of them American citizens.

While organizations that focus on Israel-Palestine have long been aware that Israeli border officials regularly strip search men and women, If Americans Knew appears to be the first organization that has specifically investigated the policy of strip searching women. In the course of its investigation, If Americans Knew was astonished to learn that Israeli officials have also been strip searching young girls as young as seven and below.

According to interviews with women in the United States, Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, Israeli border officials periodically force Christian and Muslim females of all ages to remove their clothing and submit to searches. In some cases the children are then "felt" by Israeli officials.

Sometimes mothers and children are strip-searched together, at other times little girls are taken from their parents and strip-searched alone. Women are required to remove sanitary napkins, sometimes with small daughters at their side. Sometimes women are strip searched in the presence of their young sons.

All report deep feelings of humiliation. Many describe weeping at the degradation they felt.

"I remember crying and pleading with my mother," Gaza journalist Laila El-Haddad recalls of an experience when she was 12-years-old, hoping that her mother could convince the Israeli official to allow her to keep her undershirt on. But parents are unable to shield their children, El-Haddad and others report.

"They had machine guns," El-Haddad explains. "We just had to submit." El-Haddad, who holds a Masters degree in Public Policy from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, believes that the intention of the strip searches is to humiliate Palestinians so that they won't return to Palestine.

Oregon attorney Hala Gores remembers being strip-searched at the age of 10. Her family, Palestinian Christians from Nazareth, were leaving Israel because of Israeli discrimination against Christians. Gores has never returned to her family's ancestral home in Nazareth, she says, in part because she does not want to repeat the experience of having no control over what is done to her.

The Israeli policy appears to target only Christian and Muslim children, and is equally applied to those with Israeli citizenship and citizenship in other countries, including native-born Americans. There are no reports of Jewish children being strip-searched.

New Jersey stand-up comedian Maysoon Zayid describes being strip-searched at Ben Gurion Airport when she was "seven, eight, nine years old" on family trips to visit her parents' original home in Palestine. On her most recent trip in July 2006, Maysoon, an American citizen, had her sanitary pad taken by officials in Ben Gurion Airport. When the search was completed, she says, the Israeli official in charge, Inbal Sharon, then refused to return her pad or allow her to get another.

Zayid, who has cerebral palsy and was sitting in a wheelchair, was then forced to bleed publicly for hours while she waited for her flight.

Zayid, a former class president and yearbook editor at New Jersey's Cliffside Park High School known for her irreverent comedy routines and strong personality, describes sobbing uncontrollably. "No one spoke up," she remembers. "There were several women, including the woman who was pushing my wheelchair, none of whom said a word."

When she boarded her flight, Zayid recalls, "The flight attendants looked at me in disgust." She told them what had happened, and the attendants then gave her some of their own clothing to use.

In addition to taking her sanitary napkin, Israeli officials also confiscated medication that Zayid is required to take when flying. As a result, she vomited repeatedly throughout the 12-hour flight.

Zayid, who founded a program for newly disabled Palestinian youths many of them permanently disabled from attacks by Israeli forces was so depressed by her treatment that she determined never to return. "But that's what they want," she says, "They want us to get to the point where we don't go back." She says that she is already planning to return to her volunteer work in the West Bank.

Israeli practices vary and seem to be applied randomly, from elderly women to small children. In some instances women are taken into a room alone and are left sitting naked for hours. At other times they are strip-searched in groups, their clothes thrown in a pile. When they are finally allowed to get dressed, they describe having to rummage through the heap of clothing, naked and barefoot, to find their own garments.


Jewish Holocaust Survivor

While these policies largely target Palestinian and Palestinian-American women and children, some non-Palestinian Americans also report being subjected to strip searches by Israeli officials.

St. Louis resident Hedy Epstein, whose parents and extended family perished in Nazi camps, and whose story is featured in the Academy Award winning documentary "Into the Arms of Strangers: Stories of the Kindertransport," reports being strip searched three years ago following her participation in nonviolent protests in the West Bank. Epstein, who was 79 at the time, describes being forced to bend over for an Israeli official to search her internally.

The strip searches appear to be illegal under numerous statutes. The Geneva Conventions, to which Israel is a signatory, prohibit: "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" and specifically emphasize: "Women shall be especially protected against any attack on their honour"

Article 2 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child states: "No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy"

In the US, such policies would appear to violate child abuse statutes. The state of Utah, for example, defines Child Abuse as: "Any form of cruelty to a child's physical, moral or mental well-being." The Encarta Encyclopedia defines child abuse as "Intentional acts that result in physical or emotional harm to children."

While the If Americans Knew investigation focused on practices concerning women, many interviewees reported frequent random strip-searching of males as well; including American citizens, children, and the elderly.

While the practice is widely applied, many people find it too humiliating to speak of. One 68-year-old Christian businessman, who had been stripped naked at Ben Gurion airport in 2006 before being allowed to board his flight to return home, had never revealed his experience to his family until he learned of the If Americans Knew investigation. He then explained to his daughter why he had previously told her that he might never return to his original home, now in the state of Israel.

Christians, a thriving community that made up approximately 15 percent of Palestine's population before Zionist immigration and the creation of Israel (Muslims were 80 percent and Jews 5 percent), have now dwindled under Israeli occupation to approximately two percent of the total population.

Israeli spokespeople and sympathizers have bristled in recent months at the title of a book by former President Jimmy Carter, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid." In reply, Carter has emphasized that the Israeli "apartheid" he is describing is limited to the West Bank and Gaza. Many analysts have disagreed with Carter, providing evidence of pervasive discrimination within Israel itself. The If Americans Knew finding that Israel has been routinely strip-searching non-Jewish citizens of Israel would also indicate a wider policy of Israeli discrimination.

Since American taxpayers give Israel over $8 million per day, the Council for the National Interest, a Washington DC-based lobbying organization, is organizing a campaign to call on Congress to demand that Israel end these policies.

"We are extremely upset to learn that Israel is using American tax money in ways that degrade and humiliate women and children," says CNI President Eugene Bird. "We call on all Americans to help us on this campaign."

The organization urges people to begin contacting their Congressional representatives immediately, and to disseminate the video report by If Americans Knew as widely as possible.

Alison Weir is executive director of If Americans Knew. She can be reached at: alisonweir@yahoo.com

[55CrushEm]

This disgraceful policy of strip searching woman has been routine for many years at Israel checkpoints -- and I have yet to see any mention of it in the mainstream US media.

Perhaps because the Palestinians who are blowing up innocent Israelis is more newsworthy.

[ak1971]

I know the woman who wrote this article. Alison Weir is a remarkable person. She's motivated not by hate but by a burning heartfelt need to talk truth to power.

This disgraceful policy of strip searching woman has been routine for many years at Israel checkpoints -- and I have yet to see any mention of it in the mainstream US media.

MHG

March 15, 2007

Humiliation and Child Abuse at Israeli Checkpoints

Strip-Searching Children
http://www.counterpunch.org/karkar03152007.html

By ALISON WEIR

Israeli officials have been regularly strip-searching children for decades, some of them American citizens.

While organizations that focus on Israel-Palestine have long been aware that Israeli border officials regularly strip search men and women, If Americans Knew appears to be the first organization that has specifically investigated the policy of strip searching women. In the course of its investigation, If Americans Knew was astonished to learn that Israeli officials have also been strip searching young girls as young as seven and below.

According to interviews with women in the United States, Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, Israeli border officials periodically force Christian and Muslim females of all ages to remove their clothing and submit to searches. In some cases the children are then "felt" by Israeli officials.

Sometimes mothers and children are strip-searched together, at other times little girls are taken from their parents and strip-searched alone. Women are required to remove sanitary napkins, sometimes with small daughters at their side. Sometimes women are strip searched in the presence of their young sons.

All report deep feelings of humiliation. Many describe weeping at the degradation they felt.

"I remember crying and pleading with my mother," Gaza journalist Laila El-Haddad recalls of an experience when she was 12-years-old, hoping that her mother could convince the Israeli official to allow her to keep her undershirt on. But parents are unable to shield their children, El-Haddad and others report.

"They had machine guns," El-Haddad explains. "We just had to submit." El-Haddad, who holds a Masters degree in Public Policy from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, believes that the intention of the strip searches is to humiliate Palestinians so that they won't return to Palestine.

Oregon attorney Hala Gores remembers being strip-searched at the age of 10. Her family, Palestinian Christians from Nazareth, were leaving Israel because of Israeli discrimination against Christians. Gores has never returned to her family's ancestral home in Nazareth, she says, in part because she does not want to repeat the experience of having no control over what is done to her.

The Israeli policy appears to target only Christian and Muslim children, and is equally applied to those with Israeli citizenship and citizenship in other countries, including native-born Americans. There are no reports of Jewish children being strip-searched.

New Jersey stand-up comedian Maysoon Zayid describes being strip-searched at Ben Gurion Airport when she was "seven, eight, nine years old" on family trips to visit her parents' original home in Palestine. On her most recent trip in July 2006, Maysoon, an American citizen, had her sanitary pad taken by officials in Ben Gurion Airport. When the search was completed, she says, the Israeli official in charge, Inbal Sharon, then refused to return her pad or allow her to get another.

Zayid, who has cerebral palsy and was sitting in a wheelchair, was then forced to bleed publicly for hours while she waited for her flight.

Zayid, a former class president and yearbook editor at New Jersey's Cliffside Park High School known for her irreverent comedy routines and strong personality, describes sobbing uncontrollably. "No one spoke up," she remembers. "There were several women, including the woman who was pushing my wheelchair, none of whom said a word."

When she boarded her flight, Zayid recalls, "The flight attendants looked at me in disgust." She told them what had happened, and the attendants then gave her some of their own clothing to use.

In addition to taking her sanitary napkin, Israeli officials also confiscated medication that Zayid is required to take when flying. As a result, she vomited repeatedly throughout the 12-hour flight.

Zayid, who founded a program for newly disabled Palestinian youths many of them permanently disabled from attacks by Israeli forces was so depressed by her treatment that she determined never to return. "But that's what they want," she says, "They want us to get to the point where we don't go back." She says that she is already planning to return to her volunteer work in the West Bank.

Israeli practices vary and seem to be applied randomly, from elderly women to small children. In some instances women are taken into a room alone and are left sitting naked for hours. At other times they are strip-searched in groups, their clothes thrown in a pile. When they are finally allowed to get dressed, they describe having to rummage through the heap of clothing, naked and barefoot, to find their own garments.


Jewish Holocaust Survivor

While these policies largely target Palestinian and Palestinian-American women and children, some non-Palestinian Americans also report being subjected to strip searches by Israeli officials.

St. Louis resident Hedy Epstein, whose parents and extended family perished in Nazi camps, and whose story is featured in the Academy Award winning documentary "Into the Arms of Strangers: Stories of the Kindertransport," reports being strip searched three years ago following her participation in nonviolent protests in the West Bank. Epstein, who was 79 at the time, describes being forced to bend over for an Israeli official to search her internally.

The strip searches appear to be illegal under numerous statutes. The Geneva Conventions, to which Israel is a signatory, prohibit: "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" and specifically emphasize: "Women shall be especially protected against any attack on their honour"

Article 2 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child states: "No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy"

In the US, such policies would appear to violate child abuse statutes. The state of Utah, for example, defines Child Abuse as: "Any form of cruelty to a child's physical, moral or mental well-being." The Encarta Encyclopedia defines child abuse as "Intentional acts that result in physical or emotional harm to children."

While the If Americans Knew investigation focused on practices concerning women, many interviewees reported frequent random strip-searching of males as well; including American citizens, children, and the elderly.

While the practice is widely applied, many people find it too humiliating to speak of. One 68-year-old Christian businessman, who had been stripped naked at Ben Gurion airport in 2006 before being allowed to board his flight to return home, had never revealed his experience to his family until he learned of the If Americans Knew investigation. He then explained to his daughter why he had previously told her that he might never return to his original home, now in the state of Israel.

Christians, a thriving community that made up approximately 15 percent of Palestine's population before Zionist immigration and the creation of Israel (Muslims were 80 percent and Jews 5 percent), have now dwindled under Israeli occupation to approximately two percent of the total population.

Israeli spokespeople and sympathizers have bristled in recent months at the title of a book by former President Jimmy Carter, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid." In reply, Carter has emphasized that the Israeli "apartheid" he is describing is limited to the West Bank and Gaza. Many analysts have disagreed with Carter, providing evidence of pervasive discrimination within Israel itself. The If Americans Knew finding that Israel has been routinely strip-searching non-Jewish citizens of Israel would also indicate a wider policy of Israeli discrimination.

Since American taxpayers give Israel over $8 million per day, the Council for the National Interest, a Washington DC-based lobbying organization, is organizing a campaign to call on Congress to demand that Israel end these policies.

"We are extremely upset to learn that Israel is using American tax money in ways that degrade and humiliate women and children," says CNI President Eugene Bird. "We call on all Americans to help us on this campaign."

The organization urges people to begin contacting their Congressional representatives immediately, and to disseminate the video report by If Americans Knew as widely as possible.

Alison Weir is executive director of If Americans Knew. She can be reached at: alisonweir@yahoo.com

sieg heil?

[yavoon]

sieg heil?

look there's nothing wrong w/ trying to destroy the most liberal democracy in the middle east while simultaneously supporting the most racist, violent, and mysoginistic society in the world.

so u just hush.

[alkemical]

Equivalent exchange.

An explosion in a town square done by missle or by a "suicidebomber/jihadist" is equivalent. Same damn thing. But to some people lives are valued different according to race, creed, etc.

[Garcia Bronco]

So you called him and told him to 'cote" for it?

That's par for the course on this board.

I apologize....it should have read vote.

I told them that when we are done with Iran we need to move on to Syria.

[Bronco Bob]

I apologize....it should have read vote.

I told them that when we are done with Iran we need to move on to Syria.

Great idea. For the Jihadist. Because by then the US military and economy
will have been so destroyed as to make the USA easy pickings for any
terror attack they want to launch inside the USA.

[Garcia Bronco]

Great idea. For the Jihadist. Because by then the US military and economy
will have been so destroyed as to make the USA easy pickings for any
terror attack they want to launch inside the USA.

You'd be wrong about that.

[elsid13]

So you called him and told him to 'cote" for it?

That's par for the course on this board.

You always have options of not coming to this board if you don't like us. Last time I looked the internet is a pretty big place......

[yavoon]

Equivalent exchange.

An explosion in a town square done by missle or by a "suicidebomber/jihadist" is equivalent. Same damn thing. But to some people lives are valued different according to race, creed, etc.

oh goodie, moral equivalence, u even used the word equivalence so ur decrepit moral relativism isn't even subconcious.

yes of course anti terrorist actions are exactly equivalent to terrorist actions. just like drug raids are exactly equivalent to gangland violence.

its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit.

[alkemical]

oh goodie, moral equivalence, u even used the word equivalence so ur decrepit moral relativism isn't even subconcious.

yes of course anti terrorist actions are exactly equivalent to terrorist actions. just like drug raids are exactly equivalent to gangland violence.

its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit.


The end result is the same is it not? It's not moral equivalence - it the equivalent result of said actions.

but then again - you result to nothing but personal attacks because you don't have a leg to stand on. Keep trying. Maybe after you get past phonics, we can get to multiplication tables!

[Dudeskey]

http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif

[yavoon]

The end result is the same is it not? It's not moral equivalence - it the equivalent result of said actions.

but then again - you result to nothing but personal attacks because you don't have a leg to stand on. Keep trying. Maybe after you get past phonics, we can get to multiplication tables!

nothing but personal attacks? obviously now u can't read:

"oh goodie, moral equivalence, u even used the word equivalence so ur decrepit moral relativism isn't even subconcious.

yes of course anti terrorist actions are exactly equivalent to terrorist actions. just like drug raids are exactly equivalent to gangland violence.

its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit."

but I like this, this "the results are the same so the action is the same." do u actually believe this holds even an ounce of intellectual validity? I want u to think this one out, if the result is the same then the morality is always equivalent.

do some actual intellectual work here, it might lead to personal growth.

[cutthemdown]

Great idea. For the Jihadist. Because by then the US military and economy
will have been so destroyed as to make the USA easy pickings for any
terror attack they want to launch inside the USA.

come now. I will listen to any argument that war is wrong, war is bad, war makes things worst in the long run. I think all of those are valid points and have a lot of truth to them in many situations. One thing I will not however buy into is that Iran and Syria could ever match up. If we did attack we could have both of those countries armed forces completely destroyed in about 6-8 months. We have just too much ability when it comes to bombing targets and destroying large troop concentrations. Things like sam missle sites, all naval yards and harbors, all airports, all major bridges, most planes they dont hide, all tanks, all trucks etc etc destroyed in a matter of months. It's controlling the people afterwards that is the hard part. It would not however make us easy pickings inside the USA.

[alkemical]

nothing but personal attacks? obviously now u can't read:

"oh goodie, moral equivalence, u even used the word equivalence so ur decrepit moral relativism isn't even subconcious.

yes of course anti terrorist actions are exactly equivalent to terrorist actions. just like drug raids are exactly equivalent to gangland violence.

its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit."

but I like this, this "the results are the same so the action is the same." do u actually believe this holds even an ounce of intellectual validity? I want u to think this one out, if the result is the same then the morality is always equivalent.

do some actual intellectual work here, it might lead to personal growth.

Obviously you can't remember the **** that comes out of your brain:

"its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit." - noovayavoon

So now that we moved past the fact you are a liar and are dishonest - lets move on to the next step in "Fallacies of Yavoon".

Yes, i used the word equivalent. now having moved past the point in our discussions that you actually don't understand what words mean - it is really beyond trying to explain to you what the word actually means how something called "context" also goes into explaining the meaning of a word. I wasn't justifying any actions by any parties - just showing the end result of an explosion kills people - and that's the real travesty.

The whole crux of the problem is you are a relativist and don't wish to admit it. Which is why you attack people whom you claim are "relativists". (LABF, NO Bronco come to mind the most).

So next time you try to insult someone's intellect or intelligence: A)make sure you know what words actually mean, and B) learn how to speak the language. The only explanation you can honestly give yourself is you emigrated from "stupid".

So i'm done with you, you offer nothing to any discussion other than your own xenophobic fears and retread analysis of subjects you have no real knowledge on. You do nothing but regurgitate information and try to claim superiority. Of course when this fails - you just revert back to personal attacks.

Have a good day, and try to read something beyond the picture menu at McDonald's while at work.

Thanks,

Mgmt

[yavoon]

Obviously you can't remember the **** that comes out of your brain:

"its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit." - noovayavoon

So now that we moved past the fact you are a liar and are dishonest - lets move on to the next step in "Fallacies of Yavoon".

Mgmt

what u said:
"you result to nothing but personal attacks"

this is just another lie as is made obvious by the fact that u quoted but one sentence of my post. see, reading comprehension is nice. now please apologize for being a lying piece of crap.

[yavoon]

Obviously you can't remember the **** that comes out of your brain:

"its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit." - noovayavoon

So now that we moved past the fact you are a liar and are dishonest - lets move on to the next step in "Fallacies of Yavoon".

Yes, i used the word equivalent. now having moved past the point in our discussions that you actually don't understand what words mean - it is really beyond trying to explain to you what the word actually means how something called "context" also goes into explaining the meaning of a word. I wasn't justifying any actions by any parties - just showing the end result of an explosion kills people - and that's the real travesty.

The whole crux of the problem is you are a relativist and don't wish to admit it. Which is why you attack people whom you claim are "relativists". (LABF, NO Bronco come to mind the most).

So next time you try to insult someone's intellect or intelligence: A)make sure you know what words actually mean, and B) learn how to speak the language. The only explanation you can honestly give yourself is you emigrated from "stupid".

So i'm done with you, you offer nothing to any discussion other than your own xenophobic fears and retread analysis of subjects you have no real knowledge on. You do nothing but regurgitate information and try to claim superiority. Of course when this fails - you just revert back to personal attacks.

Have a good day, and try to read something beyond the picture menu at McDonald's while at work.

Thanks,

Mgmt

now onto dredging into more of ur insane stupidity. the whole cruz is that I'm a relativist and I dont want to admit it? what kind of bizare pseudo argument is this? is this some throw **** against a wall tactic?

I'm fine if ur done w/ me. u've proven that u have almost no capability to logically examine problems. I remember one of the first stupid relativist things u said was about how "all religions think they are the only religion." I quoted two separate statements clearly showing religious beliefs that are very inclusive. from then on u've offered very little in the way of capable intellect.

when u say something stupid, I will say ur stupid. this is kinda just how it is. if u think me calling u stupid in one sentence of a post makes me "resorting" to anything then thats fine too. always good to leave ppl who are incapable an easy way out.

so lets recap, u try to show dumb relativist equivalence, then try to directly lie about what I posted, then tried to cry about how I post. yah I'd say ur doing great so far.

[Spider]

Obviously you can't remember the **** that comes out of your brain:

"its all the same when u have absolutely no intellectual capacity at all. which is about where u sit." - noovayavoon

So now that we moved past the fact you are a liar and are dishonest - lets move on to the next step in "Fallacies of Yavoon".

Yes, i used the word equivalent. now having moved past the point in our discussions that you actually don't understand what words mean - it is really beyond trying to explain to you what the word actually means how something called "context" also goes into explaining the meaning of a word. I wasn't justifying any actions by any parties - just showing the end result of an explosion kills people - and that's the real travesty.

The whole crux of the problem is you are a relativist and don't wish to admit it. Which is why you attack people whom you claim are "relativists". (LABF, NO Bronco come to mind the most).

So next time you try to insult someone's intellect or intelligence: A)make sure you know what words actually mean, and B) learn how to speak the language. The only explanation you can honestly give yourself is you emigrated from "stupid".

So i'm done with you, you offer nothing to any discussion other than your own xenophobic fears and retread analysis of subjects you have no real knowledge on. You do nothing but regurgitate information and try to claim superiority. Of course when this fails - you just revert back to personal attacks.

Have a good day, and try to read something beyond the picture menu at McDonald's while at work.

Thanks,

Mgmt

if I took a broomstick and shoved it up Yavoons ass ...we would have stupid on a stick

[Bronco Bob]

if I took a broomstick and shoved it up Yavoons ass ...we would have stupid on a stick

That's one corndog I would stay far away from. :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[yavoon]

That's one corndog I would stay far away from. :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yav, attacking intellectually vapid relativism to keep the world safe from stupidity.

=D

[Spider]

That's one corndog I would stay far away from. :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yavoon is my bestest online buddy ever ;D