For Ted Ginn Jr., would you

[UboBronco]

Sit and wait at 21? I have looked a several mock drafts lately, and he seems to be the one falling, because of his injury from the national championship game and not running at the combine. He seems to be the typical Shanahan pick. Would you take him over a defensive lineman? ... I think I would hate for him to end up in KC or San Diego.. Any thoughts?

[Ratboy]

If we're staying at 21 and he is there, we better take him.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nope...because I believe WR is typically a wasted pick in the 1st round...definately in the top ten.

[CBF1]

Pass. We need Dline help. Ginn is overated in my opinion.

[OrangeShadow]

not unless he beefs up to 280 and becomes a spectacular pass rusher

[Jens1893]

nope, i want football players and no track stars ... if you truly want a wr, get a football player like steve smith or anthony gonzalez

[bpc]

If our guys feel he is worth taking at #21 (his speed and impact on the return game should be huge factors for our team) I'm totally fine with this. We have added an impact runner and another TE for Jay to throw to... why stop building an offense around a guy who could be a franchise player? If we can develop a INDY style offense, I say do it.

Bates has already started putting together a defense that has huge run stuffers at DT... those are not hard to find in the draft. DE's will be at a premium but we still could find a very good one in round 2. Safety is the same situation. Besides that I think we are good besides depth at LB and we could find that late in this draft.

It will be interesting to see where our front office goes with this draft. I think it will go a long in determining the mentality of this team moving forward.

[SureShot]

Ginn does not impress me. Pass.

[Crushaholic]

This draft is loaded with linebackers who can be elite players at the next level. If we get Ginn with #21, I might just do a Garcia...:garcia:

[TheDave]

Pass, To me Ted Ginn is Ashley v.2, and we all know how well that worked out... now if Dwayne Bowe is there @ 21... Well, that's another story.

[SpringStein]

If our guys feel he is worth taking at #21 (his speed and impact on the return game should be huge factors for our team) I'm totally fine with this. We have added an impact runner and another TE for Jay to throw to... why stop building an offense around a guy who could be a franchise player? If we can develop a INDY style offense, I say do it.

Bates has already started putting together a defense that has huge run stuffers at DT... those are not hard to find in the draft. DE's will be at a premium but we still could find a very good one in round 2. Safety is the same situation. Besides that I think we are good besides depth at LB and we could find that late in this draft.

It will be interesting to see where our front office goes with this draft. I think it will go a long in determining the mentality of this team moving forward.

Listen to the man - he knows whereof he speaks! ;)

[NFLBRONCO]

I'd take Ginn at 21 no problem he could majorly upgrade our ST's. I'd prefer giving DE a whirl once. Bowe I would have no problem with him at 21 but, he will be gone.

WR DE S are most likely first round target.

[rugbythug]

Ginn would make a super returner. He could be our Devin Hester. What a difference he made in Chicago.

[c_lazy_r]

not unless he beefs up to 280 and becomes a spectacular pass rusher

Hilarious!

[Odysseus]

The fact that a guy can run 50 yards out and we have a QB that can throw 50 yards out doesn't mean he can get open, doesn't mean he's going to help us win any playoffs for a couple years, doesn't mean he block for our running backs and even the best of the lot is going to be a third string WR no matter how good he is.

Think about it.

Any DL player we bring in is a rotational player and has more immediate impact, better long term return on investment and ultimately is going to be there after all out one year solution DT guys have retired or moved on.

Throwing out 50 yards isn't that big of a deal if you have an OL that can keep your guy from getting knocked into a coma. ANYBODY can get out 50 yards but if he can't block, get open, run under coverage routes or come back to the QB when it's needed what are we really doing?

If the Broncos don't get a DT or DE or something we can use to win NOW with I will consider the draft a disappointment.

[ludo21]

Depends who is on the board on the DL....

I dont mind adding a dynamic playmaker at all.

[Odysseus]

Ginn would make a super returner. He could be our Devin Hester. What a difference he made in Chicago.

They don't make a lot of Devin Hester types. I think SLAP was one of the only posters who saw that kid's potential early.

Morgan and Hixon are the returners. I don't think he's a good player but he might not be high on the Broncos board but things change.

[dbfan21]

No thanks. Ginn is not the answer to our most immediate need.

[Inkana7]

Denver has a Hurdles team now? I didn't know that. If we did, then yeah, I'd take him in a heartbeat, he's an amazing hurdler.

Other than that, I wouldn't touch the guy with a ten foot pole. I live in OSU country, and I guess he had problems just learning the Ohio State playbook, nonetheless a NFL playbook.

[watermock]

No way...he's got a busted up ankle and is only 185. Round 2, early. If he finally runs and puts up a poor time, it won't matter if it will heal...I am not into buying damaged goods except in closeout prices. He's too small.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think there are better options at the WR position, but I wouldn't whine too much. Meacham is a great speed guy and Bowe is a great blocker. The guys I like best for the money though will go in the second and third rounds - Gonazalez, Steve Smith, Jason Hill, Craig Davis, Andre Allison, Higgins.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

If we are saying that he is too small. Steve Smith is 5' 9" 185. Ginn is 6'1" 185 and runs a 4.3. We really don't have a deep threat and ginn could help stretch the field and give our TE's chances to make some plays. He provides alot of mismatches.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If we are saying that he is too small. Steve Smith is 5' 9" 185. Ginn is 6'1" 185 and runs a 4.3. We really don't have a deep threat and ginn could help stretch the field and give our TE's chances to make some plays. He provides alot of mismatches.

Steve Smith
WR | (5'11", 195

And has great hands and runs perfect routes

[bpc]

You can teach better route running, you can't teach Ginn's speed. The guy is as football on the football field as he is on the track. NOT many DB's or WR's can boast that.

I think Ginn would be a huge advantage here. He can learn route running from Rod, would immediately uprgrade our return game and can run against nickel and dime DB's who I think he would smoke. Some players will succeed based on the system they get into... could you imagine Ginn running a streak off of our play action with Henry running the ball? It is going to put a lot of pressure on the CB and the defense and Jay will be able to hurl the $hit out of the ball. Ginn will have the speed to catch up to it.

I just don't see how you could be mad if draft Ginn. My only contention is that this is a deep draft for WR's... however Ginn could have a completely different skillset than most... and he does have Steve Smith type speed.

After the first two DE's on the board, Anderson and Adams, I think 3-8 are about the same. Spencer has had a nice senior season but his size turns me off. He is about the same size as Dumervil. An inch taller maybe. Bazuin and Spencer are about the same to me and some are predicting Dan to go as late as round 3.

I say go BPA and we shouldn't go wrong.

[-Slap-]

For a guy with his tools, he should make people miss in the open field a lot more often. I would rather have Bowe @ 21.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

Steve Smith
WR | (5'11", 195

And has great hands and runs perfect routes

I got my info from NFL.com on Smith's size. I'm strictly talking size and speed. Smith had to work to get were he is at right now. I think that having good coaches around ginn could make him a really good WR. Even the panthers website has him listed as 5'9" 185

[U GOT JACKED UP]

You can teach better route running, you can't teach Ginn's speed. The guy is as football on the football field as he is on the track. NOT many DB's or WR's can boast that.

I think Ginn would be a huge advantage here. He can learn route running from Rod, would immediately uprgrade our return game and can run against nickel and dime DB's who I think he would smoke. Some players will succeed based on the system they get into... could you imagine Ginn running a streak off of our play action with Henry running the ball? It is going to put a lot of pressure on the CB and the defense and Jay will be able to hurl the $hit out of the ball. Ginn will have the speed to catch up to it.

I just don't see how you could be mad if draft Ginn. My only contention is that this is a deep draft for WR's... however Ginn could have a completely different skillset than most... and he does have Steve Smith type speed.

After the first two DE's on the board, Anderson and Adams, I think 3-8 are about the same. Spencer has had a nice senior season but his size turns me off. He is about the same size as Dumervil. An inch taller maybe. Bazuin and Spencer are about the same to me and some are predicting Dan to go as late as round 3.

I say go BPA and we shouldn't go wrong.

I totally agree with your take on Ginn.

[Odysseus]

For a guy with his tools, he should make people miss in the open field a lot more often. I would rather have Bowe @ 21.

:thumbsup:

[anthonypacino]

I am on the fence about this as well. GONZO is the better pure WR. Ginn is the better athlete. GONZO has some time at the return spots but Ginn is by far the better of the two in terms of special teams play. Ginn is not as sure handed as GONZO but has better hands than Lelie ever did. It reminds me of the Reggie Bush drama of last year, it's pretty much agreed that Reggie isn't a "everydown" back but his intangibles are hard to ignore, his big play ability, a chance to score everytime he touches the ball whether it's on a kick-off, punt return, pass, reverse. With GONZO you get a WR who can run great routes with speed and comes up with some clutch catches. If you are a team that already has those type of WR's but you don't have that Bush/Ginn type threat of a player and he's there...I don't know. I don't think outside of Adams from Clemson there isn't a DE worth moving up for I think the rest of the talent is pretty even all the way into the second.

[anthonypacino]

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[bpc]

I just don't think you can coach Ginn's athleticism. The the similarity that he shares with Smith is that he hits his gear faster than other WR's. Guys can time well in the 40 but can they do it on the football field. Ginn can, and has done it against the best speed guys on the field in college. Not many guys faster than players from Florida, Notre Dame, Michigan and Texas. Reggie Nelson is a fast dude and I watched Ginn easily pull away from him on the kick return to start the national championship game. The speed is not even comparable. He has had huge games against all of those teams. Bring this guy in with a secondary role, no pressure on him, and watch him turn on the afterjets and exceed expectations. Pairing him up with our running game and a strong armed QB like Jay will go a long way for both players careers.

I agree with the Bush comparisons. I think both are rare athletes that sport abilities that cannot be replicated. Bush will never be a 1500yd rusher in my mind... but his dual ability in the passing game means that he almost always needs to be on the field. The same can be said for Ginn... he may never be a 1500 yd WR but he'll be a deep threat that makes other players on his team a lot better and also can impact the return game and also the running game. Anybody else remember Walker streaking down the field against Pittsburgh? Can you imagine Ginn hitting a crease like Walker had? GONE.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I got my info from NFL.com on Smith's size. I'm strictly talking size and speed. Smith had to work to get were he is at right now. I think that having good coaches around ginn could make him a really good WR. Even the panthers website has him listed as 5'9" 185

Link? Every website I have found lists Smith between 5"11" and 6'0" and between 193 and 198. Not saying Ginn is bad - he just runs poor routes at this time.

[anthonypacino]

I think if Ginn is there (but I really doubt that, Calvin Johnson is going to the Raiders and I also think they can get Russell as well if they can trade Moss to GB) we could take him, another weapon like that for Cutler, and also remember folks Ginn wants to play some DB he was recruited to OSU to play CB, that is working pretty well for Chris Gamble in North Carolina.

[DelBronco]

I guess I don't share the love for Ginn either. If you compare this year's stats to Bowe, Meachem, Rice, Jarrett, and Smith he's not even close. That's despite playing with the Heisman Trophy winner as well as Gonzalez and Pittman who will also be day 1 picks. And after all of the talk about Ginn being a big play threat, he averaged over 5 yards per catch less than Meachem did this past season. I don't think we should spend a 1st on a kick returner that might develop into a WR.

[RocBronc]

Ginn = Peter Warrick = Desmond Howard = No thanks @21...

If we trade down a few spots than maybe....

[mattob14]

I got my info from NFL.com on Smith's size. I'm strictly talking size and speed. Smith had to work to get were he is at right now. I think that having good coaches around ginn could make him a really good WR. Even the panthers website has him listed as 5'9" 185

You're talking about a different Steve Smith, check out USC's roster this year, Steve Smith is a WR there who should go in the 2nd-3rd round.

[footstepsfrom#27]

We have a speed receiver on this roster we have yet to see, and he's a superior athlete in the return game as well. Hixon ran a 4.34 on a foot that was not 100%. We need other things worse than receiver unless that guy is Calvin Johnson.

[watermock]

Don't we allready have a speed returner with a bad wheel?

[mattob14]

If we're choosing between Johnson, Moss, Spencer, and Ginn at #21, I'd take Ginn. He would be the BPA and would immediately impact our ST's and his speed would bring a whole new dimension to the offense. Pick up Alama-Francis or Abriami in round 2, James Marten at 3a, and Wendling or Gattis at 3b and I'd be happy, especially if we could find a way to move up on Day 2 and pick up Paul Soliai.

[baja]

I too am anxious to see what Hixon can do.