Court Cites Constitution in Rejecting Handgun Ban

[W*GS]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7819820

The days of the disarmament of DC citizens are numbered...

[Dudeskey]

Good. People should be able to protect themselves... Especially in DC

[Spider]

good ruling , Handguns I dont have a problem with

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yep, that's what we need is more handguns...

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Big-city murders jumped by 10 percent (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_re_us/crime_cities_11)

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 9

WASHINGTON - The murder rate jumped by more than 10 percent among dozens of large U.S. cities since 2004, a study shows in the latest sign of the end of a national lull in violent crime.

Robberies also spiked, as did felony assaults and attacks with guns, according to the report to be released Friday by the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based law enforcement think tank.

FBI data similarly has shown a rise in violent crime — if not as dramatic — since 2004. The Justice Department says crime was historically low that year. FBI data similarly has shown a rise in violent crime — if not as dramatic — since 2004. The Justice Department says crime was historically low that year.

"Two years worth of double-digit increases in violent crime demonstrates an unmistakable change in the extent and the nature of crime in America," said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the nonprofit think tank that is funded in part by the Justice Department, as well as corporations and private foundations.

"There are those that say this is a statistical blip, an aberration," Wexler said. "After two years, this is no aberration."

The report surveyed crime rates in 56 large U.S. metropolitan areas including Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas and Washington. It did not include violent crime rates in New York, the nation's largest city, which did not participate in the voluntary survey. An advance copy of the report, titled "Violent Crime in America: 24 Months of Alarming Trends," was obtained by The Associated Press.

The report compared crime statistics from 2004, 2005 and 2006 and tracked how much they had changed over the 24 months beginning Jan. 1, 2005.

Justice spokesman Dean Boyd called the department "concerned about the increase in violent crime in some cities and towns" as was reported in FBI data released last fall. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has asked Congress to spend $200 million next year to help cities and regions combat gangs, illicit drugs and gun offenses.

"The ;The Department of Justice is committed to ensuring the safety of every American city and town, Boyd said. Department of Justice] is committed to ensuring the safety of every American city and town,"Boyd said.

The forum's study found:

_Forty of the 56 surveyed police departments, or 71 percent, saw homicide rates increase since 2004. That translated into an overall 10.2 percent jump in murders. Between 2005 and 2006, the increase in murders was much lower: 2.8 percent.

_Robberies rose among the cities by 6 percent since 2005 and 12 percent since 2004. Between 75 and 80 percent of the departments surveyed saw a spike in robberies.
_Felony assaults dipped slightly, by 2 percent, between 2005 and 2006, but rose slightly, by 3 percent, since 2004.

_Gun assaults saw a 1 percent boost from 2005 but spiked by nearly 10 percent during the 24-month period.

The Justice Department has been keeping a close eye on crime rates after seeing a 2.2 percent rise nationwide in rapes, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and other violence in 2005 — the first increase since 2001.

Last fall, mayors and police chiefs reported seeing recent spikes in violent crime, calling for greater support from federal law enforcement agencies that have been distracted by counterterror missions since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

[W*GS]

I've challenged you before on this, Spider, and you've always run off and hid...

Tell me how to keep guns away from criminals, and then we'll talk about guns.

Until then, you're just another hoplophobe.

[Spider]

Yep, that's what we need is more handguns...

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Big-city murders jumped by 10 percent (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_re_us/crime_cities_11)


By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 9


WASHINGTON - The murder rate jumped by more than 10 percent among dozens of large U.S. cities since 2004, a study shows in the latest sign of the end of a national lull in violent crime.

Robberies also spiked, as did felony assaults and attacks with guns, according to the report to be released Friday by the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based law enforcement think tank.
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"There are those that say this is a statistical blip, an aberration," Wexler said. "After two years, this is no aberration."


The report surveyed crime rates in 56 large U.S. metropolitan areas including Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas and Washington. It did not include violent crime rates in New York, the nation's largest city, which did not participate in the voluntary survey. An advance copy of the report, titled "Violent Crime in America: 24 Months of Alarming Trends," was obtained by The Associated Press.
The report compared crime statistics from 2004, 2005 and 2006 and tracked how much they had changed over the 24 months beginning Jan. 1, 2005.


Justice spokesman Dean Boyd called the department "concerned about the increase in violent crime in some cities and towns" as was reported in FBI data released last fall. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has asked Congress to spend $200 million next year to help cities and regions combat gangs, illicit drugs and gun offenses.

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_Robberies rose among the cities by 6 percent since 2005 and 12 percent since 2004. Between 75 and 80 percent of the departments surveyed saw a spike in robberies.
_Felony assaults dipped slightly, by 2 percent, between 2005 and 2006, but rose slightly, by 3 percent, since 2004.


_Gun assaults saw a 1 percent boost from 2005 but spiked by nearly 10 percent during the 24-month period.


The Justice Department has been keeping a close eye on crime rates after seeing a 2.2 percent rise nationwide in rapes, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and other violence in 2005 — the first increase since 2001.


Last fall, mayors and police chiefs reported seeing recent spikes in violent crime, calling for greater support from federal law enforcement agencies that have been distracted by counterterror missions since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

I just dont think Guns are the problem in this , Banning handguns wont solve it .......People will find other ways to commit crime , one good place t ostart is stop locking up People using or selling pot , and start using the cell space for these hard core assholes ............

[Bronco Bob]

I just dont think Guns are the problem in this , Banning handguns wont solve it .......People will find other ways to commit crime , one good place t ostart is stop locking up People using or selling pot , and start using the cell space for these hard core a-holes ............

Definitely. I have heard half the people in prison are in for non violent drug
related crimes. You get less time for murder or rape than you do for
possession.

[colosilverado]

I just dont think Guns are the problem in this , Banning handguns wont solve it .......People will find other ways to commit crime , one good place t ostart is stop locking up People using or selling pot , and start using the cell space for these hard core a-holes ............

Amen to this one. I don't think that banning guns will ever be the answer and you will not get them out of most people's hands unless you try to do it reallllly slowly. Too many people are watching for that though, and I'm glad. Clinton already tried it. Any bans just keep the ordinary citizen from protecting his/herself. Criminals will get their guns. I'm for more concealed carry myself.

[Bronco Bob]

Amen to this one. I don't think that banning guns will ever be the answer and you will not get them out of most people's hands unless you try to do it reallllly slowly. Too many people are watching for that though, and I'm glad. Clinton already tried it. Any bans just keep the ordinary citizen from protecting his/herself. Criminals will get their guns. I'm for more concealed carry myself.

So did Rudy Giuliani when he was mayor of New York City. As in interesting
exercise, compare the murder rate in New York City as compared to cities
like Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, and Chicago

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html

[Spider]

I've challenged you before on this, Spider, and you've always run off and hid...

Tell me how to keep guns away from criminals, and then we'll talk about guns.

Until then, you're just another hoplophobe.

more of a wet dream from WAGS , Ididnt see this post , but you idiot , I never ever ducked you , I told you several times what guns I am against , and that I support Back ground checks ....... 1 last time for the mentally handicapped .Back ground checks , you provide ID , the gun Seller turns the info over to NCIC, a complete background check comes out . not perfect but it beats your lets arm everyone with any kind of weapon they want ...........

[W*GS]

Back ground checks , you provide ID , the gun Seller turns the info over to NCIC, a complete background check comes out .

And when Joe Gangbanger buys a gun from a guy in an alley, who does the background check and does Joe present an ID?

Whoops. A little problem for your scheme...

[W*GS]

So did Rudy Giuliani when he was mayor of New York City.

Giuliani didn't go after guns as much as you might think. NYC was (and still is) very anti-gun, from long before Giuliani took office.

Interesting, though, isn't it, that DC's murder rate is astronomical. We've been assured by the anti-gun crowd that very strict gun control would make us safe. Clearly, that's a lie, with DC as a shining example.

[Spider]

And when Joe Gangbanger buys a gun from a guy in an alley, who does the background check and does Joe present an ID?

Whoops. A little problem for your scheme...

you Idiot , I never said it was`perfect , but then on the same hand you would sell a fully automatic weapon to Joe Gangbanger and tell him to send his friends your way ........ you dont think anyone should be checked , even if ,I Bin Pharting #1 terrorist wanted to buy a gun ...... talk about a`problem in a plan ........

[W*GS]

you Idiot , I never said it was`perfect

That's charitable - your plan, as far as dealing with criminals getting guns, is fatally flawed.

but then on the same hand you would sell a fully automatic weapon to Joe Gangbanger and tell him to send his friends your way ........

Personally, I wouldn't sell a gun to Joe Gangbanger. Ol' Joe wouldn't go to a licensed dealer anyway.

you dont think anyone should be checked , even if ,I Bin Pharting #1 terrorist wanted to buy a gun ...... talk about a`problem in a plan ........

Background checks have an infinitesimal effect on illegal purchases, for reasons so obvious that despite repeating them several times, you've not learned them.

[Spider]

Personally, I wouldn't sell a gun to Joe Gangbanger. Ol' Joe wouldn't go to a licensed dealer anyway.
Gun control supporting Bastard , you deem he isnt worthy ? what about his rights ? Ted Nugent isnt very happy with you .....



Background checks have an infinitesimal effect on illegal purchases, for reasons so obvious that despite repeating them several times, you've not learned them.

so we are right back to arm everyone ............ ever wonder why you are not in Charge WAGS ?

[Spider]

Hilarious! Ole wags SUPPORTS GUN CONTROL ....... too funny , he deems someone isnt worthy , shouldnt have a gun , the entire message behind gun control he fights........ I guess it has a lot to do with the Libertarian one week , Republican the next week ..........

[Spider]

From dictionary .com
con·fu·sion /kənˈfyuʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-fyoo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Poster at the orangemane.com by the handle of W*GS ...
2. Anyone that believes the Bullshít w*gs posts
3. The Idiot tried to compare his auto insurance , to that of a Semi Rig ...

[W*GS]

Gun control supporting Bastard , you deem he isnt worthy ? what about his rights ? Ted Nugent isnt very happy with you .....

You're reaching, ya silly old man...

I guess when the NAACP newsletter doesn't publish a column by a KKK member, that's censorship, eh?

so we are right back to arm everyone ............ ever wonder why you are not in Charge WAGS ?

Can you see any ground between "background checks" (which are completely ineffective in dealing with criminals getting guns) and "arm everyone"?

Apparently not.

PS - One of your problems (the list is endless) is that you want someone "in Charge [sic]". Why?

[W*GS]

Isn't it about time for you to start a new thread talking about me, Spider, now that I've gotten you into a tizzy and your knickers in a twist?

Prove me wrong.

[Spider]

You're reaching, ya silly old man...

I guess when the NAACP newsletter doesn't publish a column by a KKK member, that's censorship, eh? well yeah it is ....... Hate speech is still hate speech , Just like Ann coulter , she is no different then a KKK hate speech , I dont want her shut down ..........



Can you see any ground between "background checks" (which are completely ineffective in dealing with criminals getting guns) and "arm everyone"?

Apparently not.

PS - One of your problems (the list is endless) is that you want someone "in Charge [sic]". Why?
Gun control supporting Bastard , time to turn in your ted nugent poster ......

[Spider]

Isn't it about time for you to start a new thread talking about me, Spider, now that I've gotten you into a tizzy and your knickers in a twist?

Prove me wrong.
LOL , naw , just felt it was time to remind you how stupid you are , you was getting cocky posting .........

[Spider]

PS - One of your problems (the list is endless) is that you want someone "in Charge [sic]". Why?

somebody in Charge ? thats easy we need several in charge to keep idiots like you in check ........L

[W*GS]

Spider figures that by becoming more Gomer than usual, he somehow makes a point.

Interesting tactic, but doomed to fail.

So now we're back to where we were, despite all of Spider's ramblings - he cannot show that background checks keep criminals from getting guns, and since that's his sole solution to the problem, we've gotten nowhere. Pity. But expected.

[Spider]

Spider figures that by becoming more Gomer than usual, he somehow makes a point.

Interesting tactic, but doomed to fail.

So now we're back to where we were, despite all of Spider's ramblings - he cannot show that background checks keep criminals from getting guns, and since that's his sole solution to the problem, we've gotten nowhere. Pity. But expected.
Sure it does it worked on you , you went from arming everyone , to some form of Gun control from you , major steps .... you are coming along .........

[Spider]

you admitted you wouldnt sell to Joe Gangbanger , thats a form of gun control W*GS......... when we first started this , you was pissing and moaning like a 5 year old over a 72 hour waiting period ............. Huge steps W*GS

[W*GS]

Yep, Spider is spinning his rhetorical wheels... If he was in his rig, he'd (probably) know what to do, but here, he's helpless...

Typical.

[Spider]

Yep, Spider is spinning his rhetorical wheels... If he was in his rig, he'd (probably) know what to do, but here, he's helpless...

Typical.

LOL never easy looking back and seeing how big of an Idiot you are is it W*GS ?
I take alot of pride in getting over to the Gun Control side , Perhaps you dont see your progress , cause you are not ready to accept that gun control is a need , but you will ... in time and with my help

[W*GS]

Keep going Spider... It's funny to see you attempting to be clever...

Oh, and for your information - I don't buy alcohol. Doesn't mean I support Prohibition.

Wrap your addled brain around that one.

[Spider]

Keep going Spider... It's funny to see you attempting to be clever...

Oh, and for your information - I don't buy alcohol. Doesn't mean I support Prohibition.

Wrap your addled brain around that one.

that isnt hard , W*GS , you dont take a stand on anything , only gun control ........and slowly but surely , you are coming around to my way of thinking , so your staunch anti Gun Control is slipping .........

[Bronco Bob]

Giuliani didn't go after guns as much as you might think. NYC was (and still is) very anti-gun, from long before Giuliani took office.

Interesting, though, isn't it, that DC's murder rate is astronomical. We've been assured by the anti-gun crowd that very strict gun control would make us safe. Clearly, that's a lie, with DC as a shining example.

Difference is Giuliani actively enforced the gun control laws and saw
a dramatic reduction in crime in New York City. Where-as DC isn't.
Just because a city passes a bunch of gun control measures, if
they don't enforce them, they are so many words on paper.
Otherwise how do you explain New York City's overall low crime rate?
Are the people of New York just that much nicer and more civilized
toward one another the people in Dallas or Atlanta? I find that hard
to believe.

[W*GS]

Spider, Spider, Spider...

I didn't believe it possible, but with every post, you're getting more hilarious. Or desperate.

Either way, it's funny.

[W*GS]

Difference is Giuliani actively enforced the gun control laws and saw a dramatic reduction in crime in New York City. Where-as DC isn't.

You need to show that the difference between NYC and DC was just the enforcement of the relevant gun control laws, and that in NYC's case, no other factor influenced its crime rate, to make the above statement accurate.

You've got your work cut out for you.

[Spider]

Spider, Spider, Spider...

I didn't believe it possible, but with every post, you're getting more hilarious. Or desperate.

Either way, it's funny.
LOL , yep , you know you are coming around ........ soon you will start saying , thank you Spider for helping to me to the light .....and for showing me how stupid my way of thinking was ..

[W*GS]

Dream on, Spider...

It's a bit early in the day to be drinking so heavily, isn't it?

[Spider]

Dream on, Spider...

It's a bit early in the day to be drinking so heavily, isn't it?

you sure have a funny way of thanking someone ...........

[Bronco Bob]

You need to show that the difference between NYC and DC was just the enforcement of the relevant gun control laws, and that in NYC's case, no other factor influenced its crime rate, to make the above statement accurate.

You've got your work cut out for you.

The burden of proof is on you. You are the one making the claim it
wasn't gun control that resulted in the drastic reduction of murder
in New York City. I contend it was gun control. It's up to you
to provide the proof it wasn't gun control. You show where the
crack-down on illegal guns wasn't the main factor. What would
you attribute the reduction in the crime rate to, since you are so
convinced it wasn't gun control? If you know of other factors,
perhaps you could change my mind. All I know is the crime and
murder rate in New York City is even lower than in Denver, and
that guns are easier to get in Denver.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Keep going Spider... It's funny to see you attempting to be clever...
Oh, and for your information - I don't buy alcohol. Doesn't mean I support Prohibition.
Wrap your addled brain around that one.
I'd never trust a man who doesn't drink.

[W*GS]

The burden of proof is on you.

You've got that exactly backwards.

You are the one making the claim it wasn't gun control that resulted in the drastic reduction of murder in New York City. I contend it was gun control. It's up to you to provide the proof it wasn't gun control.

How can I prove a negative ("it wasn't gun control")?

What would you attribute the reduction in the crime rate to, since you are so convinced it wasn't gun control?

Changing demographics (i.e., fewer young men, read "Freakonomics" for an interesting take) and a better economy, plus Giuliani's more-aggressive approach to policing, are much stronger factors in NYC's drop in crime than just gun control.

All I know is the crime and murder rate in New York City is even lower than in Denver, and that guns are easier to get in Denver.

Whereas crime in DC is much higher, and guns are virtually illegal in DC.

[W*GS]

I'd never trust a man who doesn't drink.

What makes a drinker more trustworthy?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What makes a drinker more trustworthy?Enjoying a good drink now and then is part of what life's about. I'm suspicious of any man who doesn't indulge in this pleasure.



"Today's decision (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_re_us/dc_gun_ban_8) flies in the face of gun laws that have helped decrease gun violence in the District of Columbia," Mayor Adrian Fenty said. The city will likely appeal for a hearing of the full appeals court before any appeal to the Supreme Court, he said.

[W*GS]

I find the effects of alcohol to be mostly unpleasant.

And Fenty is full of crap.

[Bronco Bob]

Enjoying a good drink now and then is part of what life's about. I'm suspicious of any man who doesn't indulge in this pleasure.

Plus drinking in moderation, a glass of wine or a bottle of beer a day, is good for your heart. Research indicates that moderate drinkers are less likely to suffer heart attacks than are abstainers.

I. Alcohol improves blood lipid profile. A. It increases HDL ("good") cholesterol. B. It decreases LDL ("bad") cholesterol.

II. Alcohol decreases thrombosis (blood clotting). A. It reduces platelet aggregation. B. It reduces fibrinogen (a blood clotter). C. It increases fibrinolysis (the process by which clots dissolve).

III. Alcohol acts through additional ways. A. It reduces coronary artery spasm in response to stress. B. It increases coronary blood flow.
C. It reduces blood pressure. D. It reduces blood insulin level. E. It increases estrogen levels

The American Heart Association has reported that "More than a dozen prospective studies have demonstrated a consistent, strong, dose-response relation between increasing alcohol consumption and decreasing incidence of CHD (coronary heart disease). The data are similar in men and women in a number of different geographic and ethnic groups. Consumption of one or two drinks per day is associated with a reduction in risk of approximately 30% to 50%"

[W*GS]

I'm not against alcohol, certainly - I just choose not to indulge.

[Bronco Bob]

I'm not against alcohol, certainly - I just choose not to indulge.

No problem with that. It's your right. To be honest, I don't drink much
either, just mostly at parties and other social gatherings. But my
cholesterol and other heart factors are already good, so I don't need
to drink much either. In fact my doctor said my only risk factor for
having a heart attack was my age, and as I can't make myself younger,
there is nothing I can do about that.

[alkemical]

Just explain to me how banning a gun is going to keep a criminal from obtaining one....

[Spider]

Just explain to me how banning a gun is going to keep a criminal from obtaining one....

I will just as soon as you explain ot me that , allowing anyone to buy any kind of weapons they want helps ........

[alkemical]

I will just as soon as you explain ot me that , allowing anyone to buy any kind of weapons they want helps ........

That's a cop out. Because i actually love shooting target archery. I also enjoy skeet shooting as well. I don't like handguns, my preference.

So your turn to tell me how making something illegal will keep a criminal from obtaining it spider...

[Spider]

That's a cop out. Because i actually love shooting target archery. I also enjoy skeet shooting as well. I don't like handguns, my preference.

So your turn to tell me how making something illegal will keep a criminal from obtaining it spider...

when did I say make them ilegal ? talk about a cop out , I have never said Ban guns , only fully automatic assault rifles Should be banned .......... In other words , I dont give a damn if you have a gun , as long as you are not a felon ......... so now back to you , tell me how does letting anyone buy any weapon they want make crime better ?

[alkemical]

when did I say make them ilegal ? talk about a cop out , I have never said Ban guns , only fully automatic assault rifles Should be banned .......... In other words , I dont give a damn if you have a gun , as long as you are not a felon ......... so now back to you , tell me how does letting anyone buy any weapon they want make crime better ?

Then your reading comprehension is really bad tonight, look at the last few posts and see how we got here:

Just explain to me how banning a gun is going to keep a criminal from obtaining one....

I will just as soon as you explain ot me that , allowing anyone to buy any kind of weapons they want helps ........


So either answer or continue to deflect on how making something illegal will keep a criminal from obtaining "said" object?

[Spider]

Then your reading comprehension is really bad tonight, look at the last few posts and see how we got here:
But I am for banning fully automatic assault rifles , That doesnt mean banning all guns , you wasnt pacific , on what guns to ban , so now where does that leave us ?






So either answer or continue to deflect on how making something illegal will keep a criminal from obtaining "said" object?
Deflecting ? once again tell me how does allowing anyone to get any weapon they want help ? then once you answer that , you will understand my position .............

[alkemical]

Have a good night spider.

[Spider]

Have a good night spider.

you too .....I should already be in Bed ..........4:00 am comes awful early

[mhgaffney]

I agree with Harry Belafonte, who called Condy Rice a "house slave."

Check out the new thread.