View Full Version : Trade AL.....What are you smokin ?
Jetmeck
03-09-2007, 11:01 PM
Who do we have that could even remotely fill his shoes ?
He calls the defense. He is not that old folks and your raggin him for injuries ? A thumb and shoulder injuries, how many games has he missed ? Not many.
Let's take one of our best assets on defense and toss it away. With a better front four our LBs are the best in the league , bar none. When our D-line is getting pushed around and letting O-lineman to the second level...like last year any LBs will struggle.
We don't have anyone in the wings to fill AL's shoes.
Don't even bring up Webster, he is another team's castoff.
The guy isn't bad but he isn't even in the same zip code as AL. This is insane to even consider.
Northman
03-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Al is good but not that good.
footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Linebackers with his kind of talent arrive on a regular basis. Playmakers like Calvin Johnson come along once a decade.
ro_50
03-09-2007, 11:07 PM
Who do we have that could even remotely fill his shoes ?
Terry Pierce. :notworthy
Jetmeck
03-09-2007, 11:56 PM
TP is long gone and the point is we will have a huge hole right in the middle of the defense. We don't even have a prospect to replace AL with. Now if we had a player sitting behind AL ready to go , hell yeah. But we don't.
Don't we have enough holes on defense already. Go ahead get this freak of nature WR and we'll score a lot but so will the opposition. Ridiculous
Jetmeck
03-09-2007, 11:57 PM
Anyone believing we can get to #2 without giving up the house is truly smoking something.
ro_50
03-10-2007, 12:02 AM
TP is long gone and the point is we will have a huge hole right in the middle of the defense. We don't even have a prospect to replace AL with. Now if we had a player sitting behind AL ready to go , hell yeah. But we don't.
Don't we have enough holes on defense already. Go ahead get this freak of nature WR and we'll score a lot but so will the opposition. Ridiculous
I was being sarcastic with the Pierce reference :>
I agree with you, I don't think Denver should trade him.
WoodMan
03-10-2007, 12:17 AM
I'm a real proponent of balance. Wilson has probably turned the corner and is just begainning the downside of his career. I think he is a top 5 linebacker still and wouldn't trade him. Denver needs to bring in some D-linemen, and linebacker and/or safety to groom for the future. Cameron just may be good enough to replace someone in another year but I don't think he can handle the middle. All this talk about moving up to #2 is just that, talk and speculation. I doubt that Shanahan will give up so much just to get to #2. Now if Ditka was head coach, the Calvin Johnson dreamers might have a chance. Some one on the other thread said it right. There is a law of diminishing returns when you get too much talent at one position, i.e. recievers, be they tight ends or wideouts.
The offense has the talent to win, we need some help on the defensive side of the ball and trading Wilson doesn't help at all.
Wes Mantooth
03-10-2007, 12:20 AM
What has Wilson done that states he is on the downturn? I don't get it. Trading a guy in his prime I get.
His injury this year was nasty. He came back from it.
Jetmeck
03-10-2007, 12:50 AM
Thumb injuries are real nasty, kinda like a blown out knee ?
The thought of trading Al Wilson any previous year would have never even been considered. This year for the first time the question becomes what would he bring I wonder?
-Slap-
03-10-2007, 12:54 AM
Its better to trade a guy a year too soon, rather than a year too late. We all love Al, but he's got a lot of hard miles on him.
NFLBRONCO
03-10-2007, 01:00 AM
Who do we have that could even remotely fill his shoes ?
He calls the defense. He is not that old folks and your raggin him for injuries ? A thumb and shoulder injuries, how many games has he missed ? Not many.
Let's take one of our best assets on defense and toss it away. With a better front four our LBs are the best in the league , bar none. When our D-line is getting pushed around and letting O-lineman to the second level...like last year any LBs will struggle.
We don't have anyone in the wings to fill AL's shoes.
Don't even bring up Webster, he is another team's castoff.
The guy isn't bad but he isn't even in the same zip code as AL. This is insane to even consider.
IMO if AL is untouchable like you say why would Denver offer him in a trade? They offered him because they see the decline in him. As much as I'd love him traded I don't think it will happen. AL is the luckiest Bronco ever he hardly ever makes plays or ever noticed in lots of games yet he is still this god like player in alot of fans eyes.
Ratboy
03-10-2007, 01:09 AM
They had DJ playing some mlb before, he could. I wish we would get rid of Ian Gold and move DJ back to weakside.
Jetmeck
03-10-2007, 01:14 AM
You better have a replacement of at least equal talent. What part of this is hard to understand ?
Crushaholic
03-10-2007, 01:59 AM
Nate Webster did a decent fill-in job when he had to do it. If some team wants Al Wilson, I'd like to see the compensation before I pass judgement...
NFLBRONCO
03-10-2007, 02:14 AM
What do you honestly think we could get for AL pick wise?
chrisp
03-10-2007, 02:32 AM
There have been a lot of rumours flying around, but i actually believe that what's been happening is that other teams have been proposing Al in a trade and we have been saying no - we haven't been pimping him out.
I think that if we had been offering him at all then a deal would have been done by now becuase teams value his leadership and intensity. However that's precisely why we won't let him go either. Teams have asked us for him and we've been saying 'have something else instead' and the deal has eventually floundered.
I don't see Al going anywhere - mind you if you'd told me a year ago we'd be going QB in round one I would have laughed at you there and then so what do I know.....:wiggle:
DBroncos4life
03-10-2007, 02:36 AM
you don't trade team leaders if you think you can win the Super Bowl that year.
StevetheBronco
03-10-2007, 02:36 AM
You damn right!!! You definately trade Al Wilson if you are going to get the #2 pick in this years draft.
STB
NFLBRONCO
03-10-2007, 02:53 AM
you don't trade team leaders if you think you can win the Super Bowl that year.
Do you think its SB or broke this year. If we don't do you see big names being gone next year?
cabronco
03-10-2007, 09:33 AM
He's a true Bronco faithful that I'd hate to lose. It would remind me of when Atwater left to the J-e-t-s. It would be gut wrenching, but I have seen big Al take on a number of injuries, we're not sure how serious the neck injury is but looks like he's alright. His shoulders to me seem suspect or at least not 100 %, unless they were ailing him too, and I saw many rarely missed tackles by him last year. Like Slap said its better to deal a guy a year too soon then a year too late. If there was an offer we couldnt refuse, I'd pull the trigger.
Hogan11
03-10-2007, 09:55 AM
They had DJ playing some mlb before, he could. I wish we would get rid of Ian Gold and move DJ back to weakside.
That would be nice since DJ does a disappearing act on the strong side.
Wes Mantooth
03-10-2007, 10:11 AM
Do you think its SB or broke this year. If we don't do you see big names being gone next year?
Nope. This team has had so much change, I think it is a 2-3 year goal, though they will take them when they come.
Willynowei
03-10-2007, 10:30 AM
Linebackers with his kind of talent arrive on a regular basis. Playmakers like Calvin Johnson come along once a decade.
To me, both linebackers and Wideouts are a dime a dozen.
You better have a replacement of at least equal talent. What part of this is hard to understand ?
it is very hard to replace pro-bowl talent, so if you're going to give that up you will be compensated well for it, but not necessarily at that position....i love al, but i think that he plays so hard that his body is slowly breaking down on him, and like others said its better to trade him a year before the complete breakdown than a year after....trade him while he still holds a lot of value.
In Bate's system, the MLB will typically make between 150-200+ tackles in a season...I dont see al's body allowing him that many hits and getting a new guy in there perhaps a Patrick Willis(who i love) would be much more suited for the job. Al's shoulders seem to me to be shot, whether or not its on the injury report, just look at how he is tackling now. he doesnt wrap up anymore he just lowers his shoulder and it was the cause of a lot of misses...
he's still good, but you have to consider the compensation you're recieving before you can make a decision one way or another.
To me, both linebackers and Wideouts are a dime a dozen.
wideouts in denver are definitely not a dime a dozen, we seem to have a lot of trouble finding good ones...and even at that, calvin johnson is just a once in a decade specimen and is not comparable to any receiver we have ever sniffed before...LB is a position i think the broncos are better at drafting (although there are the pierces) and we have built our LB corp. thru the draft very well. Al is more replaceable at this point in his career than a calvin johnson(even though i dont think a trade will happen that gets us up high enough to get him so the whole argument i just put together has very little relevance to reality....)
BroncoFiend
03-10-2007, 12:06 PM
wideouts in denver are definitely not a dime a dozen, we seem to have a lot of trouble finding good ones...and even at that, calvin johnson is just a once in a decade specimen and is not comparable to any receiver we have ever sniffed before...LB is a position i think the broncos are better at drafting (although there are the pierces) and we have built our LB corp. thru the draft very well. Al is more replaceable at this point in his career than a calvin johnson(even though i dont think a trade will happen that gets us up high enough to get him so the whole argument i just put together has very little relevance to reality....)
We would have to get up to 3 to even have a chance at him. No way, even with trading Al do we get that high. So the question is, is trading Al worth getting one of the top d-ends. I think not.
Jay6Cutler
03-10-2007, 12:57 PM
Ill tell you why you trade Al 1. al will be 30 by the start of the season which mean he on the decline 2. his shoulders are horrible he miss way to many tackles last year. al cant shed block anymore hint look at our run defence last year horrible. add to that he makes 5-6 mil hes not worth that anymore 3. i would expect bates to move dj to mike and hope he not a bust like he has been at sam which i dont think he will. sam LBs are a dime a dozen and you can find one. hell you could put webster at sam which i think he would be very good at. most importanted if you can help your team get better by trading wilson while he got value. shanny will do it. the defence has enough leaders make up for the loss of AL like champ john gold. if shanny can let atwater walk he can definatly let al walk
Gold was a Coyer guy so change may be in the wind.
Willynowei
03-10-2007, 04:16 PM
wideouts in denver are definitely not a dime a dozen, we seem to have a lot of trouble finding good ones...and even at that, calvin johnson is just a once in a decade specimen and is not comparable to any receiver we have ever sniffed before...LB is a position i think the broncos are better at drafting (although there are the pierces) and we have built our LB corp. thru the draft very well. Al is more replaceable at this point in his career than a calvin johnson(even though i dont think a trade will happen that gets us up high enough to get him so the whole argument i just put together has very little relevance to reality....)
didn't they say that about Fitzgerald? And WIlliams (can't count how many williams there been... mike, roy...) I mean sounds like every year they have a "decade" talent at wideout.
didn't they say that about Fitzgerald? And WIlliams (can't count how many williams there been... mike, roy...) I mean sounds like every year they have a "decade" talent at wideout.
i remember hearing fitz was good, but never like the hype around calvin. 6'5" 239 lbs. and 4.35 in someone else's shoes 'cause you aren't even fully healthy.....come on....he is an unbelievable specimen....no comparisons to either of those guys you mention, although they are good. very good.
NFLBRONCO
03-10-2007, 04:26 PM
Mike Williams was majorly hyped esp by Kiper
Mike Williams was majorly hyped esp by Kiper
well if you want to listen to mel...that is your own mistake i mean decision...ROFL! :yayaya:
RunSilentRunDeep
03-10-2007, 08:37 PM
People should give DJ a break. If he disappears from games that's because his on the bench. He was only 30% of the defensive plays last year because they were in the nickel and dime so much. Trade Al, he's at his peak value now. DJ can move to the middle and they can find someone in the draft to pick up the 30% DJ used to handle.
MechanicalBull
03-10-2007, 09:04 PM
Maybe Ice Box could replace Al Wilson
didn't they say that about Fitzgerald? And WIlliams (can't count how many williams there been... mike, roy...) I mean sounds like every year they have a "decade" talent at wideout.
No, I've been watching pretty much every draft since 1993, scouting it myself since 2000, there hasn't been a WR like Johnson in that time span at least. He's taller and stronger than pretty much every top WR in draft history yet he runs as fast as the fastest WRs in draft history.
I think Andre Johnson is the closest comparable, and he's lacking both size and speed when compared to Calvin Johnson. Kid's a freak, he's the WR equivalent of Vernon Davis. If we can move up and get him, when the team already has 70 or so guys on contract for '07, you do it and smile your ass to the bank.
That said, we can't trade Al Wilson to do it unless we put something else in motion to replace him, and we won't find that in FA or on the current roster. If we can somehow line up Patrick Willis I'm there though, but that'd surely take a deal moving Bly to the 'Skins and probably sending our entire first day along with our '08 first.
BroncoFiend
03-10-2007, 10:24 PM
No, I've been watching pretty much every draft since 1993, scouting it myself since 2000, there hasn't been a WR like Johnson in that time span at least. He's taller and stronger than pretty much every top WR in draft history yet he runs as fast as the fastest WRs in draft history.
I think Andre Johnson is the closest comparable, and he's lacking both size and speed when compared to Calvin Johnson. Kid's a freak, he's the WR equivalent of Vernon Davis. If we can move up and get him, when the team already has 70 or so guys on contract for '07, you do it and smile your ass to the bank.
That said, we can't trade Al Wilson to do it unless we put something else in motion to replace him, and we won't find that in FA or on the current roster. If we can somehow line up Patrick Willis I'm there though, but that'd surely take a deal moving Bly to the 'Skins and probably sending our entire first day along with our '08 first.
I have to say, the more I hear about Johnson, the more I think the Raiders are just going to take him with the first pick. Davis has always loved the physical specimens, and with the obvious push to trade Moss it just seems like he is prepping to pick Johnson.
Jetmeck
03-10-2007, 11:54 PM
We would have to get up to 3 to even have a chance at him. No way, even with trading Al do we get that high. So the question is, is trading Al worth getting one of the top d-ends. I think not.
Exactly and Nate Webster can not fill Al's shoes. Draft one this year or next then maybe.
No way in hell we ever see #2 or 3 in this draft.
I have to say, the more I hear about Johnson, the more I think the Raiders are just going to take him with the first pick. Davis has always loved the physical specimens, and with the obvious push to trade Moss it just seems like he is prepping to pick Johnson.
Johnson would be a tragic waste on the raiders, nobody to throw to him.
NFLBRONCO
03-11-2007, 12:00 AM
well if you want to listen to mel...that is your own mistake i mean decision...ROFL! :yayaya:
lol