Denver never quite accepted Plummer according to Gochiefs

[Pezman]

Flame away! ;D

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/a...cepted_pl.html

Jake Plummer's unceremonious and sudden retirement from the NFL this week shocked some people, but anyone who closely followed his career probably saw it coming.

While 32-year-old quarterbacks a year removed from Pro Bowl invitations don't often retire, Plummer was a different breed, a rebel who marched (or scrambled) to the beat of his own drum -- regardless of the consequences.

When the Denver Broncos plucked him from the free-agent market following the 2002 season, it was thought that Mike Shanahan, long considered an offensive genius, could inject some modicum of control into the turnover-prone scrambler. Denver fans accepted his gritty and determined brand of play with open arms at the time -- after all, they were rebounding from a never-quite-was relationship with Brian Griese, who has all the inspirational qualities of a grapefruit.

But despite that, and despite a glittering .722 winning percentage that bested the franchise mark (.643) of the legendary John Elway, the Mile High City never really accepted Plummer. There was always something surfacing the nagging doubts that Plummer could never escape from.

For starters, his first game in orange and blue didn't exactly inspire much confidence. The Broncos won handily, 30-10, but Plummer tossed three interceptions and threw for only 115 yards. He would rebound to post a career best 91.2 quarterback rating by the end of that 2003 season, but it was the exciting talents of Clinton Portis that drove Denver's offense, not Plummer.

And then there was the first of two embarrassing playoff losses to the Indianapolis Colts . A 41-10 thrashing in Indianapolis, in which Plummer, for all his freewheeling abilities and comeback-laden history, did little to give Denver a chance to win. He was little more than a bystander as Denver self-destructed, turning the ball over three times.

And then came 2004, otherwise known as the "Year of the Quarterback" in recent NFL history. Strictly enforced rules on what defenders could and could not do to receivers led to a record-setting year for many QBs, even Plummer, who tossed a career-high 27 touchdowns and threw for more than 4,000 yards -- both the highest totals in Bronco history.

But ever the enigma, Plummer left Bronco fans with a bitter taste in their mouths. Twenty interceptions in the regular season (Plummer's fifth season of 20 or more) kept alive those nagging doubts. Denver's worst fears were realized when, needing him at his best, the Broncos got Plummer at his worst -- in a game that virtually decided the division title.

Twenty-six incompletions and four more dreadful interceptions were the order of the day for Plummer in a rainy, 20-17 loss to the San Diego Chargers . The season would be blown to hell and back in another embarrassing playoff loss to the Colts -- and once again, there was little relief from Plummer as Peyton Manning guided his team to a 35-3 halftime lead en route to a 49-24 win.

Plummer and the Broncos were at a crossroads. In the end, it may have been two plays that sealed his fate and eventual exodus from Denver.

In that season-changing loss in San Diego, a fourth-quarter interception at the goal line denied Denver the lead. Not only was Plummer's errant pass a horribly thrown ball, but he had unwisely audibled into the situation.

And then, in 2005, after a wonderfully efficient regular season in which he threw a career-low seven interceptions, disaster once again struck in the playoffs.

Playing in his first-ever conference championship game, Plummer found himself trailing Pittsburgh 17-3 just before halftime. There was still time to mount one of his furious trademark comebacks -- but instead, he effectively ended the game early with another interception, giving the Steelers a 24-3 lead.

Was it at that precise moment Shanahan decided to make a run at Plummer's replacement in the next NFL draft? We'll never know, but the pressure of playing with Jay Cutler on the bench got to Plummer last season. The writing was on the wall, and now he's used up his time.

But no one can say Plummer's life as an NFL quarterback wasn't, at the very least, entertaining. In 10 seasons there were head-scratching turnovers, left-handed touchdown passes (to both teams), thrilling come-from-behind victories, a couch-inflicted foot injury, a scraggly beard and, yes, one middle finger extended defiantly to the fans of Denver.

He's off running for his life, one more time, bootlegging away from the rush of NFL life. "The Snake" has slithered away for good -- and wouldn't you know it, he actually pulled off one more comeback:

After averaging 19 interceptions per season over the first six years of his career, he pulled even at the finish line -- 161 touchdowns, 161 interceptions. A kid from Idaho could do a lot worse in this league.

[Clockwork Orange]

*yawn*

Have another doughnut, meatpeeker.

[TheDave]

that's actually a pretty good article... then again, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Bronx33]

Maybe a great writeup about this new longsnapper they got is next?

[Pezman]

And in other news, water is wet, the sun is hot and the chiefs havent won a meaningful playoff game in years.

[Kaylore]

He's the Chiefs writer and he's doing a Bronco piece? He's just jealous of Cutler and the offseason moves we've made and is trying to find something to criticize. Considering all the crap he's ripped Plummer for, this just makes him more of hypocrite and a twit.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Two things we need less of on this board; Plummer talk and the odd fascination with anything said by Bob.

[Garcia Bronco]

And in other news, water is wet, the sun is hot and the chiefs havent won a meaningful playoff game in years.

You ..."spanning decades"

[Garcia Bronco]

And in other news, water is wet, the sun is hot and the chiefs havent won a meaningful playoff game in years.

You mean..."spanning decades"

[Garcia Bronco]

And in other news, water is wet, the sun is hot and the chiefs havent won a meaningful playoff game in years.

You mean..."spanning decades"

[fontaine]

For starters, his first game in orange and blue didn't exactly inspire much confidence. The Broncos won handily, 30-10, but Plummer tossed three interceptions and threw for only 115 yards.

you've got to hand it Jake. He ended his career in Denver like he started it!

;D

[watermock]

Denver didn't abandon Plummer till he tanked. The board was nearly unanamous that he would play the full 06 season while Jay groomed and flossed the playbook.

I didn't turn on Jake till after the KC game, I predicted he was going to be benched...and he was. We had seen enough. Jake left with a QB rating piss poor for even a rookie and more picks than TD's. We didn't chase him out of town, as much as he played the good soldier, he just plain sucked and when you can't even get listed on NFL.com passing leaders it's time to go to Bubby Brister yet alone a QBOTF.

Shouldn't KC be more worried about their own QB and old WR's and decaying OL along with diaper boy and a terrible coach?

I said three years ago that by the time they fixed the D their offense would be impotent. Meanwhile, Denver has retooled. The notion that we chased Plummer out of Denver is absolutely moronic. He quit, as evidenced when he could of been the hero in the season finale and sucked salty chocholate balls.

It's rapidly approaching 30 years since KC has even BEEN in a championship game, yet alone a SB.

[DenverBrit]

A well written, original piece. :clown: Hilarious!

[bpc]

I say that article is pretty damn accurate. I was perplexed when the pressure of matching points with Indy seemingly put us in a blackhole on offense in which we could not get out of. I think I slightly broke out of a Plummer induced coma when he did throw that INT at the end of the SD game. That was the sickest feeling I've had after a loss in a long time. We should have won that game and the division that year. It was one of the worst attempts at a fade pattern that I have ever seen. Some people gave Shanahan crap for the play call on first down but the throw was terrible. Rod if I do recall correctly, had a chance to make a play.

I agree completely with this article though. The lame duck throw against the Steelers was a dagger that we could not recover from and Jake went back to his hole when he got down big again, just like he did against Indy. The common denominator in all of our playoff losses during the Plummer era, was Plummer. He simply couldn't step up to the plate or hold serve against good teams in pressure situations.

I appreciate the effort we got from Plummer but we would never win a super bowl with a guy with that fragile mindstate. I just wonder what happened to the Jake that almost lifted ASU to a national championship. That player was dead by the time he got to Denver.

[bronco militia]

the best thing about Jake Plummer was that he wasn't Brian Griese..

see ya Jake

FEAR CUTLER!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Two things we need less of on this board; Plummer talk and the odd fascination with anything said by Bob.

Amen - Both are old history

[Taco John]

It's not that Denver fans didn't want to embrace Plummer. It's just that his beard was scratchy...

[watermock]

Since Baby Zee has experience in these affairs, what is his opinion?

[Taco John]

He's no fan of scratchy beards either...

[Ratboy]

That was actually a good write up. However Jake Plummer isn't retiring, He'll get his wish and start in Houston. I hope Plummer does well there, we'll certainly enjoy our 4th in 2008.

[watermock]

I should be a setup man.

We don't care about Plummer...we have Jay and Ramsey and Mr. Handsome. We just want our compensation without his acting like welll...a baby.

[Steve Sewell]

If we all didn't know the person behind the article, and his true opinion of Plummer, it wouldn't be bad. Meatpeeker is actually not that bad as a writer.

[KipCorrington25]

I can't be arsed to read that whole thing but if his premise is that Denver never fully embraced him then he is absolutely correct.

I know I for one didn't.

[Crushaholic]

This is Bob we're discussing here. Send this thread to the Butt. That's his happy place...

[Kaylore]

the best thing about Jake Plummer was that he wasn't Brian Griese..


I know you're kind of being facetious, but that was a big deal for me.

[RkyMtnThunder]

I think there is a lot of truth to this article.

Unfortunately, Broncos have their share of fair weather fans and I think they showed themselves with the whole Plummer era in Denver

I for one was mixed when he originally signed, knowing his history for mistakes in Arizona. I was also optimistic knowing his history of making something from nothing in Arizona.

But when training camp came around, Plummer was our starting QB so I supported and rooted for him through thick and thin. And I was a little surprised to see how many Bronco fan Jake bandwagon hoppers were out there. Week to week they would jump on and off his bandwagon and that was lame.

I dont blame the AFCC outcome on Jake - he didnt play defense and thats what let us down in that game. Sure he made mistakes, but they were mainly made when he was gambling trying to get us back in the game. What I remember most clearly was Foxworth getting ripped apart and our total failure to stop Pitt on 3rd down in the 1st half.

I do think Broncos could have won a Super Bowl with Jake. I also think we can win with Cutler. But I would have liked to see Shanny win rings with multiple QBs.

Oh well, not going to happen.

All I can say is 'Thanks Jake' cause he definately did more for our team than Griese ever did. Enjoy your retirement buddy! You got millions of dollars, your health and youth, and no ball and chain. The world is his oyster unlike for most others, and I am envious of the life that is ahead for Jake.

[SureShot]

I want to know, who out all these new posters, is the famous boob. Watch this thread. You know he is going to post on it.

Is it RkyMtnThunder?

[broncosteven]

"after all, they were rebounding from a never-quite-was relationship with Brian Griese, who has all the inspirational qualities of a grapefruit."

He could have replaced Grapefruit with STEVE BONO.

[broncosteven]

I know you're kind of being facetious, but that was a big deal for me.

Me too, I gave Jake a shot. It is appro that Jake ended his career with a INT/TD ratio that is even. The guy was inconsistent. I am glad Cutler was there & we were able to move up. I am also glad that we did not get Stubble boyII Lienhart. I prefer Jay's arm & strength over Matt's Tom Brady like Stubble.

[baja]

that's actually a pretty good article... then again, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I thought so too.

[azbroncfan]

I didn't turn on Jake till after the KC game, I predicted he was going to be benched...and he was. We had seen enough.

It's rapidly approaching 30 years since KC has even BEEN in a championship game, yet alone a SB.

Mock you sure like tooting your own horn even though everyone knew Cutler was starting against Seattle.

I'm surprised a KC troll hasn't jumped on your 30 claim yet.

[baja]

I say that article is pretty damn accurate. I was perplexed when the pressure of matching points with Indy seemingly put us in a blackhole on offense in which we could not get out of. I think I slightly broke out of a Plummer induced coma when he did throw that INT at the end of the SD game. That was the sickest feeling I've had after a loss in a long time. We should have won that game and the division that year. It was one of the worst attempts at a fade pattern that I have ever seen. Some people gave Shanahan crap for the play call on first down but the throw was terrible. Rod if I do recall correctly, had a chance to make a play.

I agree completely with this article though. The lame duck throw against the Steelers was a dagger that we could not recover from and Jake went back to his hole when he got down big again, just like he did against Indy. The common denominator in all of our playoff losses during the Plummer era, was Plummer. He simply couldn't step up to the plate or hold serve against good teams in pressure situations.

I appreciate the effort we got from Plummer but we would never win a super bowl with a guy with that fragile mindstate. I just wonder what happened to the Jake that almost lifted ASU to a national championship. <b> That player was dead by the time he got to Denver.</b>

No, as much as I love Shanahan it was he that killed "the snake"

And that is why he is retiring, Shanny sucked the fun out of the game for Jake...

It will come out someday

[watermock]

Mock you sure like tooting your own horn even though everyone knew Cutler was starting against Seattle.

I'm surprised a KC troll hasn't jumped on your 30 claim yet.

That's completely wrong. I called for a change not knowing if any would be made. Your FOS. I called for a change days before it was announced at all. STFU.

[Northman]

Actually, he did a good job with it.

[-Slap-]

I say that article is pretty damn accurate. I was perplexed when the pressure of matching points with Indy seemingly put us in a blackhole on offense in which we could not get out of. I think I slightly broke out of a Plummer induced coma when he did throw that INT at the end of the SD game. That was the sickest feeling I've had after a loss in a long time. We should have won that game and the division that year. It was one of the worst attempts at a fade pattern that I have ever seen. Some people gave Shanahan crap for the play call on first down but the throw was terrible. Rod if I do recall correctly, had a chance to make a play.


Rod had zero chance to make a play and ****head audibled to that stupid call on first and goal inside the five. Fade patterns are thrown to the back, side or corner of the end zone, so only the receiver can make a play on the ball. Numbnuts threw his to the goalline, where two defenders could make a play on the ball.

[watermock]

That isn't a fade, it's a corner...so why did he float it like a fade? Why was Rod in the deep corner not the pylon? Might be the most pathetic excuse of all time. A fade to the short pylon...uhh...right Jake...

[Clockwork Orange]

It's hilarious that so many people are buying into a "poor Jake" article written by a lard assed cretin who did nothing but trash Plummer for years.

[baja]

That's completely wrong. I called for a change not knowing if any would be made. Your FOS. I called for a change days before it was announced at all. STFU.

You also said a certain running back in oakland would lead the league in rushing...

[baja]

It's hilarious that so many people are buying into a "poor Jake" article written by a lard assed cretin who did nothing but trash Plummer for years.

You actually see that as a "Poor Jake" article? You might want to read it again

[-Slap-]

I enjoy the way Knob begins the majority of his sentences with "and" or "but". The grade school grammatical structure wasn't enough to distract me from the fact that most of the content of the piece was cribbed from superior football writers on this site.

[-Slap-]

Hear me, fat man?

[Clockwork Orange]

You actually see that as a "Poor Jake" article? You might want to read it again

I've read enough of round yon virgin's drivel on this site over the years, I'm not gonna waste my time reading his ramblings from elsewhere.

Don't let me put a damper on the Jake Plummer Sympathy Tour 2007. By all means, carry on.

[Florida_Bronco]

I enjoy the way Knob begins the majority of his sentences with "and" or "but". The grade school grammatical structure wasn't enough to distract me from the fact that most of the content of the piece was cribbed from superior football writers on this site.

It's not surprising. Bob doesn't know enough about football to put together anything of substance.

[-Slap-]

I knew that would burn his fat ass.

Check out the PM I just got from Fatchkins.

Private Message: Ignorance

Today, 08:24 PM
Bob's your Information Minister
KC 19, Donks 10. SUCK IT



Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 16,860

Adopt-a-Bronco:
J. Cutler's ass
Ignorance

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How is six sentences a majority?


One is too many, you semi-literate oaf. Does that little webpage have an editor?

[KipCorrington25]

I don't think you're a fair weather fan if you are critical of a player's performance. These are profesionals if they can't get the job done they are replaced. Sort of how life is actually, funny how that works.

[-Slap-]

Another PM from Knob telling me some polack sportswriter from Kansas City utilizes poor grammar when talking down to the yokel populace, so that makes it acceptable.

ROFL!

I need a rule clarification here Taco.

Isn't Knob banned from the site entirely, including PMs?

I think his one year ban should be reinstated from today's date.

[watermock]

You also said a certain running back in oakland would lead the league in rushing...

No I didn't you dumbass. I never said Fargas would lead the league in rushing.

[azbroncfan]

That's completely wrong. I called for a change not knowing if any would be made. Your FOS. I called for a change days before it was announced at all. STFU.

You also pounded your pud soooo hard over vernon davis it is barely heeling enough for you to put it through the same punishment for Cutler.

[-Slap-]

That is some gruesome imagery.

[watermock]

You also pounded your pud soooo hard over vernon davis it is barely heeling enough for you to put it through the same punishment for Cutler.

Now that I called your lie, you bring out more BS. I talked about Vernon Davis before he ever got into the to 10, yet alone the top 6. STFU. You don't know WTF your talking about.

[azbroncfan]

Now that I called your lie, you bring out more BS. I talked about Vernon Davis before he ever got into the to 10, yet alone the top 6. STFU. You don't know WTF your talking about.

You had no clue about VD until someone posted a link with some video of him here.

[watermock]

You had no clue about VD until someone posted a link with some video of him here.

That's another line of crap. I talked about him when he was a pick aourd the mid teens. STFU. That's when I wanted to move up for him. Jee wiz...a player I targeted moved up...poor me, I'm so stupid.

Laugh at my first 4 draft choices and where they go smartass.

[-Slap-]

Mock actually was on the VD bandwagon before most people.

[azbroncfan]

Mock actually was on the VD bandwagon before most people.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=37237&highlight=Vernon+Davis

When he found the video clip in the thread here. He had never seen him play before that.

[DenverBrit]

I enjoy the way Knob begins the majority of his sentences with "and" or "but". The grade school grammatical structure wasn't enough to distract me from the fact that most of the content of the piece was cribbed from superior football writers on this site.

If there is a point or thought about Plummer, in that article, that HASN'T been covered many times before, then I missed it.

Donut Boy just Googled Plummer in between snacks.

[-Slap-]

You know what tickles me? The little bastard trolled this board night and day for years and now he thinks we're not going to screw with him?

Please.

[Northman]

Another PM from Knob telling me some polack sportswriter from Kansas City utilizes poor grammar when talking down to the yokel populace, so that makes it acceptable.

ROFL!

I need a rule clarification here Taco.

Isn't Knob banned from the site entirely, including PMs?

I think his one year ban should be reinstated from today's date.


:rofl: how funny would that be.

[broncosteven]

Not everything is perfect in Cheef land either:

Team Report: Inside Slant

Inside Slant | Notes and Quotes | Strategy and Personnel
The Damon Huard-Trent Green saga took another strange turn as the Chiefs and Green released joint statements declaring that the club wanted to restructure Green's contract and that Green was actively entertaining offers from other teams.

The message seems clear: The Chiefs no longer have reserved a spot for Green in the starting lineup. Green is due $7.2 million in base salary next season, and his cap number exceeds $9 million. The Chiefs don't want to pay him that much, particularly now that Huard, who they resigned for $2.5 million per year, can be their starting quarterback.
Green is signed through 2009, meaning the Chiefs would probably have to restructure his deal just to deal him. But they are unlikely to get much in return for a 36-year-old quarterback coming off a major head injury and one of the worst seasons of his career with only seven touchdowns and nine interceptions in eight games.

It's just a bad spot for everyone involved. Green, of course, had been remarkably durable during his six-year Chiefs career, and remarkably prolific. He made two Pro Bowls and was a model citizen. He's been a tremendous asset in Kansas City.

On the other hand, he doesn't quite fit the offense Herm Edwards wants to run. He takes too many risks and, too often last season, paid for them with interceptions. His best days are clearly behind him.

The likelihood of the Chiefs trading Green is low, and so is the likelihood he'll retire. Green insists he is fine physically and mentally and intends to play out his contract. For the Chiefs, that all means they're about to have $9.7 million next year tied up in two quarterbacks in their mid-30s.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67049&type=InsideSlant

[Bronx33]

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