Broncos | Team still working on deal with Washington

[HEAV]

Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:41:49 -0800

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins and Denver Broncos are actively trying to work out a deal, with the Broncos seeking the No. 6 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft and the Redskins looking to acquire CB Dre' Bly. The Broncos tried to offer LB Al Wilson and a package of draft picks for the Redskins' high draft pick, but the deal fell through when the Redskins opted to sign LB London Fletcher-Baker instead of trading for Wilson. Also, the Redskins have offered CB Shawn Springs in a deal for Bly, but the Broncos are not willing to give the Redskins cap relief for the $7.5 million charge they would receive by trading Springs. With both teams still coveting their targets, and with Bly still reportedly looking to play in Washington, it is still possible for some kind of swap involving Bly and the Redskins' first-round pick to happen before the draft.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53868

[Inkana7]

WTF? Wilson? Say it ain't so!

[Cito Pelon]

Sure, make Wash sweat. They seem to get antsy and cave in. I'd still like to see Bly here. I haven't followed this Bly saga too closely, but apparently Denver is not going to offer him a nice 5-yr conract, but Wash will? Is that what's irritating Bly? If that is the case, I guess I don't understand why Denver doesn't offer him a nice extension. Just have to wait to see how it comes out, I guess.

[doof]

Is this guy the only one with any sort of information on this supposed trade? I haven't read anything from anywhere else regarding swapping picks and every other article regarding the Bly scenerio refer back to the washington post. Things seem to be awfully quiet on this side of the fence, as usual.

[Ratboy]

Wilson is good, but he's getting older and is not the best Linebacker on our team (He wears #55). We'll get the #6 pick, but people aren't going to like what we give up for it.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Looks like the Post is just cutting and pasting old reports and calling them 'new'.

F the Redskins. If they want Bly that badly, then they need to be prepared to be taken to the cleaners over this.

It's gotten to be pretty funny that the only news on any of this is coming from what the Post is disseminating. I'm thinking there's someone behind these beat guys that's pushing them to keep this story and the rumors alive.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

[Odysseus]

I hope the Broncos draft a serious linebacker regardless.

[Steve Sewell]

Sure, make Wash sweat. They seem to get antsy and cave in. I'd still like to see Bly here. I haven't followed this Bly saga too closely, but apparently Denver is not going to offer him a nice 5-yr conract, but Wash will? Is that what's irritating Bly? If that is the case, I guess I don't understand why Denver doesn't offer him a nice extension. Just have to wait to see how it comes out, I guess.

1) He would be a number 1 corner on most teams in the league.

2) Because of this, he wants #1 corner money and I don't blame him...this is his last opportunity at a big payday.

3) The Broncos already have a #1 corner who they are paying #1 corner money to. They can't afford to pay the other corner #1 corner money.

[sirhcyennek81]

Unless Denver knew getting bly would give them leverage in getting the 6th overall selection. Sometimes to be a fly on the wall in the War room would be interesting.


:Broncos:

[Ratboy]

Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

Holy ****.. Could we end up with the #2 pick?

[HEAV]

I'll miss AW. But age is an issue, along with injury (thumb) the past few years.

[orinjkrush]

i may be wrong here, but aren't we in the driver's seat on this one?

[sirhcyennek81]

So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...


:Broncos:

[55CrushEm]

Wonder how Al Wilson feels about this ? Hope he isn't too pissed off at management for trying to trade him, if he winds up staying here.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Totally in the driver's seat.

Bly was a Bronco for life. He'll be missed if traded.

[FloridaResident]

could we afford to pick up Briggs if Al wilson is gone?

[Rohirrim]

I don't get all the picks being thrown around in this discussion. As I figure it, the #6 pick is worth 1600 points. Dre Bly was drafted at 41, which is worth approx. 500 points. He's been a top DB in the NFL and went to the pro bowl in 2004, so that kicks his worth up into the low first round, say 700 points. That makes Bly plus the Broncos first round pick worth approx. 1500 point. Why the hell would they be discussing throwing in second round picks, third round picks and picks next year? Seems to me they are not much more than 100 points apart. That's less than the Broncos' second third rounder.

[Ratboy]

Imagine..

Broncos send Bly, 1st (21), and 3rd (70) for #6 and Springs.

Broncos then trade Springs, #6 and our other 3rd for #2.






Jets would be knocking on our door for the #2 pick and we could take away Vilma from them :)

[NFLBRONCO]

Stop it guys your getting me too excited the thought of moving Wilson too. Make it happen Wilson is getting old.

[footstepsfrom#27]

That trade scenario makes no sense at all. Wilson may have lost a step but he's a pro bowl MLB and they don't grow on trees. If we are this anxious to get to the #6 or higher pick, it obviously would mean there is a specific player they want. Who could that be? It doesn't seem likely it's Joe Thomas because Shanny would rather dumpster dive for those guys. Peterson? No...we just signed our every down running back and gave him millions. Calvin Johnson? Barring some miracle he won't be there at #6 and even if we were able to trade all the way to #2, aren't we pretty set at receiver with Walker and Marshall? Whose left? Our draft history says we wouldn't move that high for a defensive tackle so it's not Branch...could it be Gaines or Jamal Anderson? Again...we almost never draft D-linemen in the first round and have never moved up for one. There are no linebackers or D-backs worthy of a move all the way to #6 which includes sacrificing a pro bowl LB, another pro bowl playe in Bly and the #21 pick.

No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else.

But what is it?

[eddie mac]

So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...


:Broncos:

The 6th pick for 21, Wilson and Bly. No f***** way. Plus you're valuing Springs far higher than Bly in that trade (no chance). Al is worth at least a high 2nd rd pick, whilst we probably value Bly as high as a late 2nd/early 3rd.

[FloridaResident]

vilma and DJ playing together?? OH MAN!!!

[The MVPlaya]

Al Wilson is only 30, relax. We don't need a new LB corp this year, but if Shanahan/Bates have some sort of strategy involoving a dynamic LB in the rotation, than maybe we could draft a LB...but if we move up to #2 or #6 there is NO LB at that point worth taking.

This is a dline draft.

Can someone link it up with the chart that shows what each draft pick is worth? (points)

[footstepsfrom#27]

That trade scenario makes no sense at all. Wilson may have lost a step but he's a pro bowl MLB and they don't grow on trees. If we are this anxious to get to the #6 or higher pick, it obviously would mean there is a specific player they want. Who could that be? It doesn't seem likely it's Joe Thomas because Shanny would rather dumpster dive for those guys. Peterson? No...we just signed our every down running back and gave him millions. Calvin Johnson? Barring some miracle he won't be there at #6 and even if we were able to trade all the way to #2, aren't we pretty set at receiver with Walker and Marshall? Whose left? Our draft history says we wouldn't move that high for a defensive tackle so it's not Branch...could it be Gaines or Jamal Anderson? Again...we almost never draft D-linemen in the first round and have never moved up for one. There are no linebackers or D-backs worthy of a move all the way to #6 which includes sacrificing a pro bowl LB, another pro bowl player in Bly and the #21 pick.

No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else.

But what is it?

[DomCasual]

Did anyone see this (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10043397) from Adam Schefter?

Another issue that could be addressed is the future of Bly, whom Denver acquired in a trade last week. Bly would prefer to play at Washington, but the Broncos are unwilling to part with him for anything less than what they deem fair value.

Already, the Redskins have offered the Broncos cornerback Shawn Springs; Denver has asked for Washington's backup running back, Ladell Betts, whom the Broncos still would like even though they already have signed free-agent running back Travis Henry.

New Orleans has offered Denver a fourth-round pick for Bly; Denver quickly rejected the Saints offer as not enough. The Broncos continue to insist that, unless they get what they want in return, they will not trade Bly, who has one year remaining on his existing contract.

A 4th round pick? Gee, thanks for that generous offer!

[FloridaResident]

any LB in the top 10 draft this year?

[That One Guy]

No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else.

But what is it?

That's the most important thing to remember. You'll never know what is going to happen until someone sees it on the Bottomline and reports back to the Mane. You'll never know...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yes, it was talked about last night that New Orleans only offered a 4th.

Michael Smith on ESPN said the Saints, Skins, and Giants are all still interested in Bly.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

DomCasual - the database error villain at work :)

[atomicbloke]

If they trade Al Wilson I'll be fri**** mad.

I paid good money for a #56 authentic jersey and I don't want to see it going waste :)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else.

But what is it?

I don't think they're moving to #2, I could see a move to #6 if they got a deal that was in their favor (think the Atlanta trade last season for #15). People are getting way too far out in front if they think there's a player targeted at this point.

[spdirty]

we arent gonna trade Al Wilson.

[DomCasual]

DomCasual - the database error villain at work :)

:oyvey: I deleted two of the three - it only took me two and a half hours.

[Victor]

They have the trade all figured out over on the extremeskins board:

Washington trades the #6 pick to Denver for:

Denver's #21, 2nd round pick, two 3rd rounders and Dre' Bly.

What a super duper deal that would be!!!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yes, it was talked about last night that New Orleans only offered a 4th.

Michael Smith on ESPN said the Saints, Skins, and Giants are all still interested in Bly.

Somewhere I read that Denver countered NO by asking for their number 2. A 2 from either NO or NYG would be nice.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

They have the trade all figured out over on the extremeskins board:

Washington trades the #6 pick to Denver for:

Denver's #21, 2nd round pick, two 3rd rounders and Dre' Bly.

What a super duper deal that would be!!!

That is a great deal. Those guys are still angry from the previous ass-reamings Shanny gave their "brain-trust," and think it's their turn to put one over on the Broncos. Of course these are also the guys that think that even though Portis has less TDs (in 10 more games) and has a ypc of 4 in DC (5.5 in Denver), that he's somehow more valuable now than he was when Denver traded him. They'll say they don't want to trade with Denver anymore, but then if there's another thread that just happens to mention the trades individually, the only one that Denver won was the Duckett trade.

If there is a deal for the 6th pick, I've got a hunch that they are going to be sorely disappointed at the return.

[i4jelway7]

Skins cut Hall:
Possibly in an effort to create enough cap room to sign cornerback Dre' Bly to a long-term deal, the Redskins have cut kicker John Hall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790937), creating $1.5 million in 2007 cap space.

[Ratboy]

They have the trade all figured out over on the extremeskins board:

Washington trades the #6 pick to Denver for:

Denver's #21, 2nd round pick, two 3rd rounders and Dre' Bly.

What a super duper deal that would be!!!

:spit:

[spdirty]

They have the trade all figured out over on the extremeskins board:

Washington trades the #6 pick to Denver for:

Denver's #21, 2nd round pick, two 3rd rounders and Dre' Bly.

What a super duper deal that would be!!!

we wouldnt make that deal just to prevent Socal from committing suicide.

[DomCasual]

Next to San Diego, Washington has to have the biggest homer fans in the NFL.

[-Slap-]

The only linebacker in football nearly as overrated as Vilma is Fletcher.

[Garcia Bronco]

Wilson is good, but he's getting older and is not the best Linebacker on our team (He wears #55). We'll get the #6 pick, but people aren't going to like what we give up for it.

Bull****...55 could get lost in a phone booth

[freak6]

Our 1st, 2nd, Bly, and our 4th for the 6th overall...

Still not worth it. At 6th I assume the pick would be Gaines Adams.

But with the depth in this draft at DE and DT, we should be able to get a very talented one at #21.

We should throw in our 1st rounder from next year because the 32nd pick ain't worth spit anyway!

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL@ freak

4 picks and a mid to top tier CB is not worth the 6th overall pick. It would be for the second pick, but not the sixth.

[TheChamp24]

Our 1st, Bly and a 3rd for the Skins #6 overall
Maybe a 4th next year, thats as far as I'll go.

[BroncoInferno]

The Wilson trade talk would make sense if we had a replacement lined up, but we don't as far as I can see. There is pretty much nobody available in FA, and even if there are potential draftees they like, it would be foolish to move Wilson before officially securing someone.

[cabronco]

I just assume not trade any of our draft picks away. Only during draft time in an effort to move up and snag a targeted player. The Broncos can set themselves up well with all the 1st day picks and the depth available. Dont like giving up so much for one pick at #6.

[Victor]

Our 1st, 2nd, Dre' Bly and Al Wilson, the rights to Jumpy Gaithers, Thunder the white stallion, and Annabelle Bowlen

[ChampBailey24]

:spit: nate webster for '07 mlb!:spit:

[Popps]

Wonder why we want that 6 pick so badly.

Branch?

[mattob14]

Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

That's the best news I've heard all day. Nothing but good things can come from dealing with Dan Snyder AND Matt Millen.

[elsid13]

According to local Sport Radio the Skins are clearing cap for something - Hall was cut, Moss and Portis redid deals give move cap relief today. As one of local announcer pointed out, that once Skins FO make up their mind they want a player they cut of thier nose in spite of thier face.

So Bly and 21 for the 6 plus something isn't out of the question

[BroncoInferno]

Wonder why we want that 6 pick so badly.

Branch?

They missed out on a DE when Kerney signed with Seattle, so my guess is Anderson or Adams. Like Herc said, though, there may not be a specific target yet. They may just be exploring a good opportunity to move up for less than it would normally take. My guess is Bly, #21 and the 2nd rounder is as high as they'd go to get to #6. I hope that's the case, anyway; Bly plus three day one picks would definately be overstepping it.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

According to local Sport Radio the Skins are clearing cap for something - Hall was cut, Moss and Portis redid deals give move cap relief today. As one of local announcer pointed out, that once Skins FO make up their mind they want a player they cut of thier nose in spite of thier face.

So Bly and 21 for the 6 plus something isn't out of the question

The way they're clearing cap room, it almost looks like they're preparing to take the hit from trading Springs as well as taking on Bly. Springs is only due about $600k more than Bly, so Denver can take on his base salary.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

They missed out on a DE when Kerney signed with Seattle, so my guess is Anderson or Adams. Like Herc said, though, there may not be a specific target yet. They may just be exploring a good opportunity to move up for less than it would normally take. My guess is Bly, #21 and the 2nd rounder is as high as they'd go to get to #6. I hope that's the case, anyway; Bly plus three day one picks would definately be overstepping it.

My guess is Bly, #21, and either Denver's 2nd or the Skins get their 2 picks back from the Duckett trade.

Like I said, I think some Skins' fans are getting their hopes way up because of what Denver's done to them in the past.

[Ratboy]

I think it's safe to say by tomorrow we'll have the #6 pick!

[ayjackson]

It seems to me that an Al Wilson trade and a Dre Bly trade will be separate, now that the skins have Fletcher, if they were to happen at all.

But while we're throwing ideas around, how about Al Wilson and our 3rd for Lance Briggs and Chicago's 5th next year?

[Ratboy]

!Booya!

Bye Bye Bly!

[elsid13]

The way they're clearing cap room, it almost looks like they're preparing to take the hit from trading Springs as well as taking on Bly. Springs is only due about $600k more than Bly, so Denver can take on his base salary.

Springs is gone no matter what, accord to media in DC he hacked of Gibbs when he refused to take a pay cut. But instead of Springs don't forget their is highly paid safety that also sitting the bench in DC. Wonder if 3 way deal is in the works....

[chaz]

Al Wilson is only 30, relax. We don't need a new LB corp this year, but if Shanahan/Bates have some sort of strategy involoving a dynamic LB in the rotation, than maybe we could draft a LB...but if we move up to #2 or #6 there is NO LB at that point worth taking.

This is a dline draft.

Can someone link it up with the chart that shows what each draft pick is worth? (points)

al wilson will only get worse and worse as far as injuries are concerned...his shoulders are shot and his thumb seems to be too. I know he has a lot of heart and passion not to metion talent, but his body is breaking down and it wont be too long before he has no value to us or anyone else...i'd take the deal while we still can. i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire in a couple years with the pounding he takes.

[chaz]

any LB in the top 10 draft this year?

no. willis would be a huge reach.

[baja]

Wonder why we want that 6 pick so badly.

Branch?

I think someone is playing games in Washington. None of this makes any sense at all.

[chaz]

I just assume not trade any of our draft picks away. Only during draft time in an effort to move up and snag a targeted player. The Broncos can set themselves up well with all the 1st day picks and the depth available. Dont like giving up so much for one pick at #6.

yes but if you wait until draft day and then decide to move up, teams already know you'll do whatever it takes and you end up getting raped. its not a good idea to move up on draft day IMO, especially for us since we have so many options with where to draft.

[chaz]

It seems to me that an Al Wilson trade and a Dre Bly trade will be separate, now that the skins have Fletcher, if they were to happen at all.

But while we're throwing ideas around, how about Al Wilson and our 3rd for Lance Briggs and Chicago's 5th next year?

last time i checked chicago had a pretty damn good MLB....oh yea, his name is URLACHER!

[Atlas]

Shanny really likes Nate Webster it's not out of the relm of possibility that He would trade up for a DT or DE and go into the season with Webster as the starter.

[ayjackson]

pure speculation:


Denver gets: #6

Skins get: Dre Bly, Denver's 2nd rounder, Detroit's 3rd and 4th rounder

Lions get: Al Wilson


we end up with #6 for Bly, Wilson and our 2nd. We keep #21 and draft Patrick Willis. At #6 we trade back to #9 for another day one pick. We take either Carriker, Okoye or Landry at #9.

[Lestat]

only 3 people Denver could want that early, Landry,Adams or Anderson


but maybe they don't have a target & just want to get as high as possible

[Steve Sewell]

They missed out on a DE when Kerney signed with Seattle, so my guess is Anderson or Adams. Like Herc said, though, there may not be a specific target yet. They may just be exploring a good opportunity to move up for less than it would normally take. My guess is Bly, #21 and the 2nd rounder is as high as they'd go to get to #6. I hope that's the case, anyway; Bly plus three day one picks would definately be overstepping it.

Yeah I agree with the "no target" thinking. Shanahan just knows he has leverage and is using it to try and create more value for the team than what he has now in Bly. He got Bly for a reasonable price, and if he trades him you know for damn sure he's going to get his money's worth with all the other teams creaming their shorts over Bly. Looking at all the press releases and what not, it appears that the Skins are positively OBSESSED with getting Dre Bly.

Shanahan is reminding me more of an equity trader right now than a football guy. He could garner some serious value if he's able to get the #6 pick, and could turn that thing into pure gold on draft day and get a serious haul out of it.

[chaz]

if a deal goes down, which i am somewhat skeptical of...this is what i think it will look like (three way with detroit, shanahan wont be able to help himself raping the two worst GMs in the NFL):

Denver gives up:
#21
Bly
Wilson
#70
Denver Gets:
#2
Detroit Gives:
#2
Detroit Gets:
Wilson
#6
Wash gives:
#6
Wash gets:
#21
Bly
#70

probably would be other picks in there to balance it out, but i think it could look something like that. if wilson isnt traded then the deal will just be between washington and denver, probably 21 bly and 84 for #6...dont know that we want springs, archeluta interests me but who knows....anything can happen. this has been one hell of an offseason!!

[baja]

Shanny really likes Nate Webster it's not out of the relm of possibility that He would trade up for a DT or DE and go into the season with Webster as the starter.

This is a real possibility

[Vegas_Bronco]

Why isn't this all part public information....then we could help them resolve all this confusion - Look at all the good advice in this thread, dedicated time and strong efforts all going to waste!?

[12th man]

They have the trade all figured out over on the extremeskins board:

Washington trades the #6 pick to Denver for:

Denver's #21, 2nd round pick, two 3rd rounders and Dre' Bly.

What a super duper deal that would be!!!

I would like that deal. Just as long as we keep Al Wilson here!

[Victor]

pure speculation:


Denver gets: #6

Skins get: Dre Bly, Denver's 2nd rounder, Detroit's 3rd and 4th rounder

Lions get: Al Wilson


we end up with #6 for Bly, Wilson and our 2nd. We keep #21 and draft Patrick Willis. At #6 we trade back to #9 for another day one pick. We take either Carriker, Okoye or Landry at #9.

I like your thinking, and I think everyone is happy with this except Washington...no way they go into the draft without a #1.

What are the chances that Boss Bailey makes his way to Denver in some exchange with Detroit to be reunited with his brother, and help replace Al Wilson?

[Steve Sewell]

yes but if you wait until draft day and then decide to move up, teams already know you'll do whatever it takes and you end up getting raped. its not a good idea to move up on draft day IMO, especially for us since we have so many options with where to draft.

Yep, if we get the 6th pick, my guess is that we'll trade it on draft day to some desperate rube GM for an incredible profit.

[Steve Sewell]

Why isn't this all part public information....then we could help them resolve all this confusion - Look at all the good advice in this thread, dedicated time and strong efforts all going to waste!?

Dude...Pat Bowlen posts here all the time. I'm sure he's emailing Shanahan with these links.

[baja]

Question?

Is the board moving slow for you guys?

I am in Guadalajara at the Fesita Americana where I just paid 25 dollars for a 24 hour wifi access and this board is slow as heck. I can't believe the prices they charge in Mexico for phone services. I recently stayed in one of the best hotels in SF and only paid $9.95 and I thought that was a rip.

[MechanicalBull]

Forget about Washington. Carolina needs a MLB since Chris Draft is a FA and Dan Morgan has a series of concussions. So trade Al Wilson + a draft pick for Julius Peppers. We end the FA period with Henry, Graham, and Peppers. I bet it can be done that easily in Madden Hilarious!

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I wouldn't want Shawn Springs for free. I think Shanny wants the value of the 6th pick. It doesn't make sense to spend that much to trade up for Adams or Anderson when they could pay a lot less to move up and secure Okoye, Carriker or Moss. Unless they have a secret plan to land Calvin Johnson, trade Bly for a second-rounder and if Moss doesn't fall to 21, trade down to and feast on the guys that slip (Spencer, Tank, etc.)

[Symons26]

Bly not down on Denver
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 03/07/2007 01:40:01 PM MST


Dre' Bly of the Detroit Lions takes to the air after getting tangled with Mike Leach of the Denver Broncos on September 28, 2003 at Invesco Field at Mile High. (Getty / Brian Bahr)In his first comment about the speculation that Dre Bly wants out of Denver, his agent Kennard McGuire made a statement in an attempt to douse the rumor.

"I have had nothing but positive dialogue with Mike Shanahan and Ted Sundquist about Dre. Dre understands that it is a compliment to be wanted. Neither Dre nor myself have said publicly that he is disenchanted. I understand why certain teams only allow the head coach to speak publicly. If Dre is so miserable or unhappy it hasn't been publicly said by Dre or myself. "

The Washington Post reported Sunday that Bly was unhappy that he was traded from Detroit to Denver last week and that Bly, who is from Virginia, wants to be in Washington. The newspaper also reported that Bly had a long-term contract worked out with the Redskins prior to the deal.

Tuesday, new Denver assistant head coach in charge of defense Jim Bates, at a press gathering to introduce the new coaches, commented that he hoped Bly would want to play for the Broncos.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I still think Carriker makes the most sense in Denver. We need to take back the line of scrimmage, I'd rather have a big end with his quickness than a boom or bust smaller guy that is faster. Carriker is a 3 down guy.

[ward63]

I just assume not trade any of our draft picks away. Only during draft time in an effort to move up and snag a targeted player. The Broncos can set themselves up well with all the 1st day picks and the depth available. Dont like giving up so much for one pick at #6.

I totally agree w/you on this! You guys want the #6 pick way too much. I don't want to give up for a make or break on one guy(likely a DL). I think if Washington want's Bly bad enough, then him + #21 pick for the #6 sounds good.

[Atlas]

If Bly wants to play in Denver I say extend him 3 years and then go into the draft as is.

Denver would have the best CB tandum in the NFL and they could still get a DE in the first round or even move up a little if they wanted.

If Bly wants to be in Denver I say keep him, I really don't want Foxworth starting opposite Champ.

[bap454]

Also to consider the #6 pick is an ideal spot to be in with someone desperately wanting to move up for Brady Quinn. We would get premium price for the #6 pick. Move down 5 - 10 picks and get Laundry, Okoye, or Lynch.

[Atlas]

Also to consider the #6 pick is an ideal spot to be in with someone desperately wanting to move up for Brady Quinn. We would get premium price for the #6 pick. Move down 5 - 10 picks and get Laundry, Okoye, or Lynch.

It's also a great spot to be when someone slips. Adams, AP could both be there.

If Cleveland doesn't select AP than he could slip to number 6.

If he slipd to 6 Denver's phone will ring off the hook from teams wanting to trade up.

[Kaylore]

That's the best news I've heard all day. Nothing but good things can come from dealing with Dan Snyder AND Matt Millen.

LOL Rep.

Snyder hates the idea of not getting what he wants and he'll overpay for anything. Millen is an idiot. I suspect that if we don't trade within the next few days we'll likely keep Bly for the rest of the year but I have a feeling something big is going down.

[Gcver2ver3]

I still think Carriker makes the most sense in Denver. We need to take back the line of scrimmage, I'd rather have a big end with his quickness than a boom or bust smaller guy that is faster. Carriker is a 3 down guy.



same here....that's why at #6 i'd want alan branch (324 lbs) or jamaal anderson (290 lbs).....

[That One Guy]

My biggest reason for wanting to trade Bly is that if he's wanting a Clements style contract, he wont get the extension and he wont get it from us next year either. So essentially we traded Tater, Foster, and a pick for a one year rental. If we could get him on a decent contract, that'd be a different deal but we're not going to sign him to the numbers he wants. It wont even matter that $27M of Clements deal is in the last two years that he'll never see, folks are still gonna want those type numbers. I say trade him if he doesn't plan on staying.

Bly for 1 year becomes a stop gap and we don't know that we have a gap to fill. Either try to make him a part of the D or get him out before anyone gets used to him and get whoever WILL be there next year valuable playing time .

[Gcver2ver3]

Now i just heard on ESPNNews that the Broncos are in talks with 3 teams for trading Bly to....

The Skins, Saints, and the GIANTS....

1st i'm hearing of the giants trying to get him.....anyone have any idea what the Giants are offering?

[Kaylore]

Now i just heard on ESPNNews that the Broncos are in talks with 3 teams for trading Bly to....

The Skins, Saints, and the GIANTS....

1st i'm hearing of the giants trying to get him.....anyone have any idea what the Giants are offering?

Good. The more teams that are interested the better and a division rival will only make Snyder crazier. With any luck he'll give us the sixth overall just for Bly the way Snyder can get! :giggle:

[Popps]

It baffles me that anyone would want Bly THAT badly. But, they ARE the Redskins, after all.

Hope this happens. Can't wait to be rid of that guy and he hasn't played a down for us.

[Gcver2ver3]

Good. The more teams that are interested the better and a division rival will only make Snyder crazier. With any luck he'll give us the sixth overall just for Bly the way Snyder can get! :giggle:

yeah i was thinking the same think....a bidding war is just what the doctor ordered...

i am curious on what the giants are offering though....i'm guessing a 2nd or 3rd rounder.....

[SureShot]

What a wild offseason. It doesn't make sense, but I think we will get the 6th pick for Bly and change. If we end up with the sixth pick and keep 2 of our first day picks, it will make the move for Cutler pale in comparison.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Now i just heard on ESPNNews that the Broncos are in talks with 3 teams for trading Bly to....

The Skins, Saints, and the GIANTS....

1st i'm hearing of the giants trying to get him.....anyone have any idea what the Giants are offering?

Those were the 3 teams (and Denver) who were trying to originally trying to trade for Bly, that's why the Giants are interested in him.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Just don't compound a bad trade to acquire Bly, by making a bad trade to get rid of him. I'd rather see them use him as a one-year guy rather than make a deal for the sake of dealing him.

[elsid13]

IF Denver pulls a 2nd rounder or higher for Bye that would be amazing

[Steve Sewell]

Good. The more teams that are interested the better and a division rival will only make Snyder crazier. With any luck he'll give us the sixth overall just for Bly the way Snyder can get! :giggle:

Yeah...I bet Shanny called the Giants and said "wanna help me hold the Skins over a fire?"...that's the only reason the Giants are involved in the deal IMO.

[spdirty]

Yeah...I bet Shanny called the Giants and said "wanna help me hold the Skins over a fire?"...that's the only reason the Giants are involved in the deal IMO.
LOL

[BroncoFiend]

IF Denver pulls a 2nd rounder or higher for Bye that would be amazing

That would mean that we would have sent Bell and Foster for one second round pick. I don't know but that doesn't sound too good to me. I mean, Bly is a known commodity that WILL help us THIS year, a second rounder is an total unknown.

I would do everything I can to keep Bly here, it's a pretty special situation to have two repeat Pro-Bowlers playing the same position on a team.

Oh, and please stop hating on this guy people, he saw a big payday in his hometown and BEHIND THE SCENES said he wasn't happy about losing out on that. That DOES NOT make this guy the devil, or worst yet Lelie :)

[Ratboy]

Yeah...I bet Shanny called the Giants and said "wanna help me hold the Skins over a fire?"...that's the only reason the Giants are involved in the deal IMO.

First thing i thought too. :thumbsup:

[Sgt Sauce]

I wouldn't want Shawn Springs for free. I think Shanny wants the value of the 6th pick. It doesn't make sense to spend that much to trade up for Adams or Anderson when they could pay a lot less to move up and secure Okoye, Carriker or Moss. Unless they have a secret plan to land Calvin Johnson, trade Bly for a second-rounder and if Moss doesn't fall to 21, trade down to and feast on the guys that slip (Spencer, Tank, etc.)


Jay to Javon, Calvin & Brandon.. wow!! However, we still need serious D-line help, a safety that can contribute, and someone who could get us out of the leagues cellar for kickoff returns..


My mouth is watering thinking about dealing w/Snyder and Millen at the same time!!

[SportinOne]

We ARE in the driver seat here. And if past encounters with Washington (encounters where we were on a supposed level playing field) are any indication of what could happen, then this could make for one of the greatest months (transaction-wise) in Bronco history.

[cutthemdown]

Good. The more teams that are interested the better and a division rival will only make Snyder crazier. With any luck he'll give us the sixth overall just for Bly the way Snyder can get! :giggle:

I think if they want him we say bly and their 3rd round pick back for the number 6 pick. It's lopsided but if they don't like it screw em. I say we rape or we don't trade at all.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

It's also a great spot to be when someone slips. Adams, AP could both be there.

If Cleveland doesn't select AP than he could slip to number 6.

If he slipd to 6 Denver's phone will ring off the hook from teams wanting to trade up.

Atlas, it is very, very difficult to hear what you are saying over your sig -- that is simply a killer!!!

[broncswin]

Snyder is about to blow a gasket right now thinking about the Lions getting involved, get ready folks this is gonna be another monster deal between the skins and the broncs and I can garuntee that if, when it happens we are going to come out smelling like the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Vegas_Bronco]

At this rate the regular season will be a snore!

And in other news, I just read that the Pitt Penguins might be coming to Vegas? March Madness does nothing for me at this point!

[Sgt Sauce]

According to ESPN insider:

"Bly's replacement?
<Mar. 7> The Broncos were scheduled to meet with David Macklin (CB Arizona) on Tuesday, fueling speculation that the team is willing to depart with recently acquired CB Dre' Bly, reports The Washington Post."


Can you say b.s.? We better do better than that if we do ship Bly out of town.. Macklin is 28 yrs old and is a 7 yr pro out of Penn St. Career: 14 INTs, 3 FF, 1 Sack, and 1 TD.

[Gcver2ver3]

According to ESPN insider:

"Bly's replacement?
<Mar. 7> The Broncos were scheduled to meet with David Macklin (CB Arizona) on Tuesday, fueling speculation that the team is willing to depart with recently acquired CB Dre' Bly, reports The Washington Post."


Can you say b.s.? We better do better than that if we do ship Bly out of town.. Macklin is 28 yrs old and is a 7 yr pro out of Penn St. Career: 14 INTs, 3 FF, 1 Sack, and 1 TD.

foxworth would be the starter....macklin would just play the role of either nickle or dime back

[TexanBob]

Now i just heard on ESPNNews that the Broncos are in talks with 3 teams for trading Bly to....

The Skins, Saints, and the GIANTS....

1st i'm hearing of the giants trying to get him.....anyone have any idea what the Giants are offering?

The Giants are offering to help the Skins go into panic mode so they can be our bitch again (like usual). The Giants, in return, will get to keep the Redskins in salary cap hell and get assurances from Shanny that the G-Men will beat the Broncos the next time they meet (like usual). :~ohyah!:

[DomCasual]

Good. The more teams that are interested the better and a division rival will only make Snyder crazier. With any luck he'll give us the sixth overall just for Bly the way Snyder can get! :giggle:

No kidding. You could almost add it to that post of the conversation between Gibbs, Bly, and Shanahan. Now Shanahan could add, "I don't know, Joe. I think I might just give Tom a call in New York." To which Gibbs would say, "NO! Listen, I didn't mean to come across as brash. How 'bout if I throw in our 2009 and 2010 1st rounders, as a sign of good faith. You're not mad at me, are you, Mike?"

[-Slap-]

Just don't compound a bad trade to acquire Bly, by making a bad trade to get rid of him. I'd rather see them use him as a one-year guy rather than make a deal for the sake of dealing him.

I'm surprised you think it was a bad trade. Especially in light of the increased interest in Bly. Either we're going to have a #2 CB who's been to a couple Pro Bowls or we'll have another valuable commodity with the draft upcoming. We hold all the leverage in this situation, not just over Bly, but over the draft pick poor Redskins.

You know, too many people here are viewing this as a negative. I view it as an opportunity and I think Shanny and Sundquist feel the same way. In case people haven't noticed, its been a long time since Shanahan let any player get the better of him. He learned his lesson with Trevor Pryce after the first holdout and everybody else who's tried to cross him since then - Portis, Lelie, Plummer - has been dealt with, to the advancement of the organization as a whole.

[DivineLegion]

If the Skins are clearing cap space I see the broncos getting Springs for Bly and a pick next year

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm surprised you think it was a bad trade. Especially in light of the increased interest in Bly. Either we're going to have a #2 CB who's been to a couple Pro Bowls or we'll have another valuable commodity with the draft upcoming. We hold all the leverage in this situation, not just over Bly, but over the draft pick poor Redskins.

You know, too many people here are viewing this as a negative. I view it as an opportunity and I think Shanny and Sundquist feel the same way. In case people haven't noticed, its been a long time since Shanahan let any player get the better of him. He learned his lesson with Trevor Pryce after the first holdout and everybody else who's tried to cross him since then - Portis, Lelie, Plummer - has been dealt with, to the advancement of the organization as a whole.

I should probably have written a little more in that post, and not have written just two sentences. I don't think it's a bad trade, and I'd actually like to see him extended unless they get something too good to pass up.

However, if it is true that he does not want to be here, then it is a bad trade regardless of what Denver gave up to get him because they don't get to keep him long-term. I don't want to see them turn around and take a bad deal just because they feel they need to get some value out of him through a trade. That was my point.

[-Slap-]

I'm confident they won't flip him unless it makes sense to them. They're not going to let him force their hands. If nothing else, we'll rent the guy for a year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think the same, they'll bite the bullet and use him as rental before they'll take a questionable deal. They don't move to #6 (if that's a true rumor), unless they think they have something heavily in their favor.

[NFLBRONCO]

As cool as the thought is of having Bly and Champ I hope we move him in this deal. I just hope this gets done before the draft so we can explore more options.

[Atlas]

As cool as the thought is of having Bly and Champ I hope we move him in this deal. I just hope this gets done before the draft so we can explore more options.

I hope Denver keeps him and signs him to a 3 year extension. Denver would be dominate at the CBs. That would be an awesome feeling. Then all they have to do is concentrat on DT abd DE in the draft.

[NFLBRONCO]

I hope Denver keeps him and signs him to a 3 year extension. Denver would be dominate at the CBs. That would be an awesome feeling. Then all they have to do is concentrat on DT abd DE in the draft.

It would be great having two good corners but, this trade stuff is too strong with teams that have a great trade history together. I expect a deal to get done at some point.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Either way, I wish people (outside of the Bronco community) would realize that it's retarded to trade away 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks with a Pro Bowl CB to get a hack in Springs and a possible crap shoot at the #6.

It's being made out to sound like Denver is just salivating over some guy at the 6. Unless they're seeing something that has can't-miss all over it, they'd do best to hang with the picks they have and draft in volume.

But either way, I'd like this crap to be over sooner than later.

[DivineLegion]

Bly our first and third for Sean Taylor? ...eh eh...

[NFLBRONCO]

If this trade would happen do you think it happens in

10 days

20 days

week before draft

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Bly is not going to agree to a short extension, he wants a monster deal. If we don't trade him, we can still tagged his ass next year. With another big bump in the cap coming, some team will pony up something worthwhile for him. The Saints and their crappy 4th-round offer smacked of a team mistakingly thinking the FO was panicking. Denver is obviously holding the chips cause Bly knows if he doesn't and hard and well this season, he's costing himself millions.

[maven]

Bly is not going to agree to a short extension, he wants a monster deal. If we don't trade him, we can still tagged his ass next year.


Corners are VERY expensive to tag.

[maven]

If this trade would happen do you think it happens in

10 days

20 days

week before draft

Sooner the better. It is obvious he doesn't want to be here. Hopefully he's moved sooner rather than later.

[SureShot]

Corners are VERY expensive to tag.

7.79 mil this year

[SoCalBronco]

Please dont move up to 6.

[maven]

Please dont move up to 6.

Please do.

[wabbit]

Either way, I wish people (outside of the Bronco community) would realize that it's retarded to trade away 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks with a Pro Bowl CB to get a hack in Springs and a possible crap shoot at the #6.

It's being made out to sound like Denver is just salivating over some guy at the 6. Unless they're seeing something that has can't-miss all over it, they'd do best to hang with the picks they have and draft in volume.

But either way, I'd like this crap to be over sooner than later.

Good points...whatever the Broncos do, I'm confident the end result will be a DE, DT or OT...nothing else...at #6, #21 or whatever # the ball lands on the draft roulette.

Is there a super duper, can't miss, blocks-the-sun kind of OT that should be there at #6 (that WON'T be there after...say...15.)??

Joe Thomas will be gone by then...who else??

[Atlas]

Either way, I wish people (outside of the Bronco community) would realize that it's retarded to trade away 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks with a Pro Bowl CB to get a hack in Springs and a possible crap shoot at the #6.

It's being made out to sound like Denver is just salivating over some guy at the 6. Unless they're seeing something that has can't-miss all over it, they'd do best to hang with the picks they have and draft in volume.

But either way, I'd like this crap to be over sooner than later.

Gerard Warren and Courtney Brown were once considered can't miss.

[chaz]

Good points...whatever the Broncos do, I'm confident the end result will be a DE, DT or OT...nothing else...at #6, #21 or whatever # the ball lands on the draft roulette.

Is there a super duper, can't miss, blocks-the-sun kind of OT that should be there at #6 (that WON'T be there after...say...15.)??

Joe Thomas will be gone by then...who else??

levi brown is the only other OT i think that will be drafted in the first, and i think he is projected to go around 10-15 maybe slightly lower but it would probably be a reach if it was.

[Rascal]

Levi Brown who would fit in at RT, but it seems like he should fall outside the top 10.

[SureShot]

Why does it have to be an OT Wabbit?

[NFLBRONCO]

Good points...whatever the Broncos do, I'm confident the end result will be a DE, DT or OT...nothing else...at #6, #21 or whatever # the ball lands on the draft roulette.

Is there a super duper, can't miss, blocks-the-sun kind of OT that should be there at #6 (that WON'T be there after...say...15.)??

Joe Thomas will be gone by then...who else??


I hope we land 6 then move down to 11 or 12 and get higher pick in round 2.

[cabronco]

Stay put & keep our picks !!!! So we can address DE, DT,S, Rb/DT,OT

[wabbit]

Because it's painfully obvious that the Broncos staff seemed to go out of their way to avoid any interviews with the top candidates at DT & OT at the combine.

...kind of a reverse logic.

Last year, the Combine scouts pretended to have absolutely no interest in Cutler...none.

[NFLBRONCO]

Because it's painfully obvious that the Broncos staff seemed to go out of their way to avoid any interviews with the top candidates at DT & OT at the combine.

...kind of a reverse logic.

Last year, the Combine scouts pretended to have absolutely no interest in Cutler...none.


I would think Denver likes Branch Okoye and Levi. If teams did their own pre draft mocks you'd think they'd assume DL is a huge weakness for Denver.

[SoCalBronco]

Wabbit, what do you make of all this talk about Wilson getting moved? It seems to come up over and over.

If he were to go, what would be the team's plan at MLB?

[wabbit]

I would think Denver likes Branch Okoye and Levi.


I not really altogether up to speed on the position elite.

Obviously, I seen them discussed here at various times.

Would any one of those three be a reach at 6??

I just can't imagine Shanahan dealing down to 6 and then not using it.

I see folks speculating that Denver might then deal the 6 for more picks, move down to 12 or 15, and still land a Carriker or Okoye...

...just seems like more work than the staff will want to do...but then again, Shanahan seems to have really developed a taste for the big trade game.

[SureShot]

Any scenarios in which Joe Thomas falls to #6?

[wabbit]

Wabbit, what do you make of all this talk about Wilson getting moved? It seems to come up over and over.

If he were to go, what would be the team's plan at MLB?

I've talked to some local folks about all the buzz around Wilson, and all I can tell you is that Wilsons name has come up in trade discussions, but, contrary to stuff I'm reading here, Denver isn't...or, at least wasn't initially...actively marketing the guy.

Apparently, Detroit & Washington have inquired about what it might take to include him in a deal...and so on.

The one position they did seem to interview with some concentration at the combine is LB...take that for what it's worth.

[Clockwork Orange]

Any scenarios in which Joe Thomas falls to #6?

No way he falls past Arizona at #5.

[NFLBRONCO]

I've talked to some local folks about all the buzz around Wilson, and all I can tell you is that Wilsons name has come up in trade discussions, but, contrary to stuff I'm reading here, Denver isn't...or, at least wasn't initially...actively marketing the guy.

Apparently, Detroit & Washington have inquired about what it might take to include him in a deal...and so on.

The one position they did seem to interview with some concentration at the combine is LB...take that for what it's worth.

I still think one starter LB will be moved this offseason.

[maven]

I would think Denver likes Branch Okoye and Levi.

Heck no. If the Broncos move up to the 6 it better be Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams, or my dream pick Calvin Johnson.

[Clockwork Orange]

I still think one starter LB will be moved this offseason.

Hopefully it's someone whose name rhymes with peein' mold.

[NFLBRONCO]

Heck no. If the Broncos move up to the 6 it better be Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams, or my dream pick Calvin Johnson.


Good point I forgot to add those DE's

[NFLBRONCO]

Hopefully it's someone whose name rhymes with peein' mold.

Kind of shocked DJ's name hasn't been mentioned in these wild rumors.

[Atlas]

Hopefully it's someone whose name rhymes with peein' mold.

Why DJ Williams has done sh1t.

[Jens1893]

Hopefully it's someone whose name rhymes with peein' mold.

I doubt we´re in a position to eat his cap hit.

[Kaylore]

Because it's painfully obvious that the Broncos staff seemed to go out of their way to avoid any interviews with the top candidates at DT & OT at the combine.

...kind of a reverse logic.

Last year, the Combine scouts pretended to have absolutely no interest in Cutler...none.
You're catching on, Wabbit. I always take the leaked info as disinformation. Shanahan in all his doings is like a magician in that you need to look at what he is completely ignoring to get a feel for what's about to happen.

[SoCalBronco]

I doubt we´re in a position to eat his cap hit.

Yeah, I don't think there is much room left for anything outside of the rookie pool money, although from the recent article on Rod I think it said he has not yet restructured his cap figure from the 8.5 mill or whatever it was, so there might be some room there, who knows.

[Jens1893]

I not really altogether up to speed on the position elite.

Obviously, I seen them discussed here at various times.

Would any one of those three be a reach at 6??

I just can't imagine Shanahan dealing down to 6 and then not using it.

I see folks speculating that Denver might then deal the 6 for more picks, move down to 12 or 15, and still land a Carriker or Okoye...

...just seems like more work than the staff will want to do...but then again, Shanahan seems to have really developed a taste for the big trade game.

Levi Brown would probably be a reach there, Okoye might be considered a slight reach ...

[Jens1893]

Yeah, I don't think there is much room left for anything outside of the rookie pool money, although from the recent article on Rod I think it said he has not yet restructured his cap figure from the 8.5 mill or whatever it was, so there might be some room there, who knows.

Think it was 5.5m ... and that number is too high.

[Clockwork Orange]

Levi Brown would probably be a reach there, Okoye might be considered a slight reach ...

The highest I've heard of Levi Brown going is possibly #8 to Houston. I wouldn't want to take him that high, especially not with the top end DE talent still on the board.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't think Shanny would even consider Brown without seeing what Pears will do at the easier RT position this year. Also, despite his age, Lepsis just got a large deal, I think they'll try to milk out as much as they can from him in the next 2-3 years before thinking of making a significant investment at the position unless he really hasnt recovered well and/or Pears is sucking at RT as well.

[Jens1893]

The highest I've heard of Levi Brown going is possibly #8 to Houston. I wouldn't want to take him that high, especially not with the top end DE talent still on the board.

Didn´t Levi Brown totally blow at the combine and is now considered a RT by most scouts? I´d only spend such a high pick on a guy that was DEFINITELY going to be a LT at the next level.

I think I know what I want us to do on the first day now, btw. We have 3 big needs where we definitely need to pick someone .... DE, DT and S ... the 4th first day pick is a bit of a luxury choice and I was thinking about spending it on a WR or OT, but the more I think about it, the more I think we need some depth at OT.

[NFLBRONCO]

At 6 here is my fab 5 in order

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Yo Adrian
3. Gaines Adams
4, Alan Branch
5. Anderson

[Taco John]

At 6 here is my fab 5 in order

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Yo Adrian
3. Gaines Adams
4, Alan Branch
5. Anderson


Adam Gaines worries me. 260 is awfully light for a DE.

[azbroncfan]

Didn´t Levi Brown totally blow at the combine and is now considered a RT by most scouts? I´d only spend such a high pick on a guy that was DEFINITELY going to be a LT at the next level.



What about if your QB is left handed?

[Jens1893]

What about if your QB is left handed?

That´s the exception, but Cutler isn´t left handed. :)

[Taco John]

If we were to get the Redskins #6 pick here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. By some stroke of luck, Calvin Johnson falls to us.
2. We draft Alan Branch
3. We trade down a few spots and pick LARON LANDRY

[NFLBRONCO]

If we were to get the Redskins #6 pick here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. By some stroke of luck, Calvin Johnson falls to us.
2. We draft Alan Branch
3. We trade down a few spots and pick LARON LANDRY

Not bad TJ I'd prefer DL over S but, the other 2 wow me likey.

[wabbit]

If we were to get the Redskins #6 pick here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. By some stroke of luck, Calvin Johnson falls to us.
2. We draft Alan Branch
3. We trade down a few spots and pick LARON LANDRY

I honestly think they're determined to draft an elite college D-lineman or an OT.

I'm just not as fluent in draft-speak as most of the fans here, so I'm not certain who all are the sizzling hot prospects...I've heard of Okoye, Branch & Thomas, everybody has, but IF the Broncos trade down to 6, it's for a specific guy...I just don't know who.

Calvin Johnson would be a wet dream, but is there really any doubt at all that Gruden is going to grab him at...what...pick #3??

[NFLBRONCO]

Adam Gaines worries me. 260 is awfully light for a DE.

Look at the Irony though last #1 DL for Denver was TP Clemson

Gaines Adams Clemson

Would be freaky huh

[Taco John]

Not bad TJ I'd prefer DL over S but, the other 2 wow me likey.


I am not personally overly impressed with the current crop of DL that high in the draft. Adam Gaines absolutely terrifies me... 6-5, 260lbs? The guy is a beanpole by NFL standards. Consider that Elvis is 5-11, 250. Gaines seems like he could be a serious liability against the run. That said, he could make some team happy as a one dimensional speed rusher.

I do like Jamaal Anderson. He doesn't have the speed that Gaines has, but he seems to have a much bigger tool kit. I should have put him on the same line as Branch. Branch and Anderson are the only two DL that I could be confident drafting this high. If neither of them are available, THEN I'd like to see us move down and take Laron Landry and make up for the Ed Reed mistake so many years ago...

[Taco John]

Calvin Johnson would be a wet dream, but is there really any doubt at all that Gruden is going to grab him at...what...pick #3??


If you want my opinion on that, if Shanahan has the #6 under his thumb, I wouldn't be suprised at all to see him deal it along with Al Wilson (and whatever else it would take) to Detroit in order to nab either Joe Thomas and/or Calvin Johnson.

[Jens1893]

It´s Gaines Adams, TJ. ;)

[CBF1]

I honestly think they're determined to draft an elite college D-lineman or an OT.

I'm just not as fluent in draft-speak as most of the fans here, so I'm not certain who all are the sizzling hot prospects...I've heard of Okoye, Branch & Thomas, everybody has, but IF the Broncos trade down to 6, it's for a specific guy...I just don't know who.

Calvin Johnson would be a wet dream, but is there really any doubt at all that Gruden is going to grab him at...what...pick #3??

Tampa Bay drafts at #4, Cleveland has #3 and since they signed Jamal Lewis yesterday, I think they will pick Calvin Johnson at 3 leaving Peterson falling to 6.

[Clockwork Orange]

I am not personally overly impressed with the current crop of DL that high in the draft. Adam Gaines absolutely terrifies me... 6-5, 260lbs? The guy is a beanpole by NFL standards.

That kind of size is not all that uncommon in todays NFL.

http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img9288103.jpg
Aaron Schobel
6'4 262 lbs.
14 sacks in 2006

http://www.nflhs.com/images/PI/dl19_JasonTaylor2006-200.jpg
Jason Taylor
6'6 255 lbs.
13.5 sacks in 2006

http://www.chicagobears.com/UserFiles/Image/story_photos/Anderson_inside091506.jpg
Mark Anderson
6'4 258 lbs.
12 sacks in 2006 as a rookie

[wabbit]

If you want my opinion on that, if Shanahan has the #6 under his thumb, I wouldn't be suprised at all to see him deal it along with Al Wilson (and whatever else it would take) to Detroit in order to nab either Joe Thomas and/or Calvin Johnson.

Five years ago, I would've argued that just couldn't happen, given Shanahan's 'stay-put', conservative draft philosophy that worked...cough... so well for him (Nash, Middlebrooks, Toviessi, O'Neil, Pierce...damn how can you argue that bloodline, eh??).

...but, if dealin' Mike does trade down for that #2 pick, I'll wager the selection will be Thomas, not Johnson.

[bpc]

Tough decision on selections. If we get up that high, #2, I'm okay with either Johnson or Thomas. It is real hard to find difference maker's at LT. Lepsis is injured right now and its tough to say what he will be like when he comes back. Its not always for sure that a player will be the same.

Johnson is a freak. As much as we need to invest in the OL, you know Shanahan is looking at Henry who he just picked up... Cutler, Walker, Marshall, Graham and Scheff. Johnson would give him another physical route runner with speed and hops to climb up and get the ball. I wouldn't put it past Shanahan to go out and do that.

Either way, Thomas and Johnson are can't miss prospects.

If we land at #6 I'll be happy with Gaines Adams. He is a hyper active defensive end who has really long arms. He'll be tough to block in the pro's and he is a guy that we can immediately pencil in at RDE for us. Ekuban can man the LDE spot on run downs and we put Elvis in on rush downs.

Alan Branch to me is a guy that is huge but has a warning sign all over him. HE had a solid career at Michigan but disappears in spurts. Then again, I'm sure Bates would be all for getting a big body like this guy especially if Wilkinson retires.

Finally, I would have no qualms if we ended up taking Landry at 6. I think the Texans are going to look hard at drafting him with their spot unless they move up. He is another Leroy Butler, Troy Polumalu. If you can get that safety who can change the way teams pass and run the ball, you do it and don't look back.

My wish list if we move up:

1. Johnson
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Landry
5. Branch

[Clockwork Orange]

Tough decision on selections. If we get up that high, #2, I'm okay with either Johnson or Thomas. It is real hard to find difference maker's at LT. Lepsis is injured right now and its tough to say what he will be like when he comes back. Its not always for sure that a player will be the same.

Johnson is a freak. As much as we need to invest in the OL, you know Shanahan is looking at Henry who he just picked up... Cutler, Walker, Marshall, Graham and Scheff. Johnson would give him another physical route runner with speed and hops to climb up and get the ball. I wouldn't put it past Shanahan to go out and do that.

Either way, Thomas and Johnson are can't miss prospects.

If we land at #6 I'll be happy with Gaines Adams. He is a hyper active defensive end who has really long arms. He'll be tough to block in the pro's and he is a guy that we can immediately pencil in at RDE for us. Ekuban can man the LDE spot on run downs and we put Elvis in on rush downs.

Alan Branch to me is a guy that is huge but has a warning sign all over him. HE had a solid career at Michigan but disappears in spurts. Then again, I'm sure Bates would be all for getting a big body like this guy especially if Wilkinson retires.

Finally, I would have no qualms if we ended up taking Landry at 6. I think the Texans are going to look hard at drafting him with their spot unless they move up. He is another Leroy Butler, Troy Polumalu. If you can get that safety who can change the way teams pass and run the ball, you do it and don't look back.

My wish list if we move up:

1. Johnson
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Landry
5. Branch

If the Broncos somehow end up with the #2 pick, it has to be Calvin Johnson. Joe Thomas is nice, but Calvin Johnson is being talked about as the best WR prospect to come down the pipe in a decade.

6'5 239 lbs, runs a 4.37 40 and has hands to die for. I can't see Shanahan passing up the opportunity to add a monster like that to the offense, nor would I want him to.

Jesus, the thought of an offense with Cutler at the helm, Travis Henry carrying the rock, Calvin Johnson & Javon Walker at WR (for anyone who thinks that's overkill, take a look at Boldin & Fitzgerald in Arizona, it can work just fine) and Daniel Graham at TE is just sick.

If we're picking 6th, give me whoever's left of Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. I'd be happy with either one.

[Taco John]

That kind of size is not all that uncommon in todays NFL.

http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img9288103.jpg
Aaron Schobel
6'4 262 lbs.
14 sacks in 2006

http://www.nflhs.com/images/PI/dl19_JasonTaylor2006-200.jpg
Jason Taylor
6'6 255 lbs.
13.5 sacks in 2006

http://www.chicagobears.com/UserFiles/Image/story_photos/Anderson_inside091506.jpg
Mark Anderson
6'4 258 lbs.
12 sacks in 2006 as a rookie



You make a compelling case... I still think I'd rather see us target Jamaal Anderson or Branch.

[Clockwork Orange]

You make a compelling case... I still think I'd rather see us target Jamaal Anderson or Branch.

I'd be happy with either one of those two, or even Laron Landry.

[Taco John]

I'd be happy with either one of those two, or even Laron Landry.



All right then! We got this thing figured out. All we need now is... uh, I guess we need a television so we can watch it happen live. Is there anything else we're missing?

[Clockwork Orange]

All right then! We got this thing figured out. All we need now is... uh, I guess we need a television so we can watch it happen live. Is there anything else we're missing?

No, I think we've pretty much got it all......oh wait! We've got to actually get the 6th pick!

I knew we were missing something. :)

[Vegas_Bronco]

Are we seriously ready for something like this??? If it were to go down, bronco nation would be divided and as always as skeptical as your mommas opinion of your wife. Let's really think about trading away too much here just for what I would consider a mediocre draft class. I'm just not sold that trading too much to get to #6 or #2 is where the Broncos need to be - we have some glaring needs, but our strengths could become great weaknesses if we give up too much - I'd like to see what Bates could do with the talent we have now and 2 or 3 rookie DL from the draft - the rest we can use on OL - but I'm not so sure we need a #2 or #6 to 'get what we need'.

[fontaine]

I don't really care what they do with the Bly pick as long as we get a decent return and not just give the guy away for the fourth like NO was offering.

I do think Shanahan is in control here because the Giants/Saints/Skins are all reported to have interest in Bly with the Skins making moves to get room under the cap. All it takes a a couple of teams to play off each other and I could see us getting at least a 3rd for Bly all the way to a 2nd in next year's draft.

A one year rental doesn't really appeal to me as it would come down to choosing between Fox/Bly next offseason.

Speaking of which I hope they try and work out and extension for Fox before he hits FA next year.

[Clockwork Orange]

Are we seriously ready for something like this??? If it were to go down, bronco nation would be divided and as always as skeptical as your mommas opinion of your wife. Let's really think about trading away too much here just for what I would consider a mediocre draft class. I'm just not sold that trading too much to get to #6 or #2 is where the Broncos need to be - we have some glaring needs, but our strengths could become great weaknesses if we give up too much - I'd like to see what Bates could do with the talent we have now and 2 or 3 rookie DL from the draft - the rest we can use on OL - but I'm not so sure we need a #2 or #6 to 'get what we need'.

Nothing, and I mean nuh-huthing, could possibly be as divisive as the Brian Griese & Jake Plummer eras at QB. We're all battle hardened from those days, this would be a walk in the park by comparison.

I'm good either way. Move up, stay put, doesn't matter. I think we're in pretty good shape.

[Mile High 81]

Yeah, I don't think there is much room left for anything outside of the rookie pool money, although from the recent article on Rod I think it said he has not yet restructured his cap figure from the 8.5 mill or whatever it was, so there might be some room there, who knows.

But could we take Wilson’s Hit? If we can take Gold´s we should not be able to take Al´s. ???
And I hope we will not. It would really suck ,to see al play for another team

[fontaine]

But could we take Wilson’s Hit? If we can take Gold´s we should not be able to take Al´s. ???
And I hope we will not. It would really suck ,to see al play for another team

If we are speculating then yes we could take Al's hit. His contract is getting towards the back end of the years so that his cap charge for 2007 is high enough to balance out the cap hit we would take from the remaining prorated signing bonus.

In other words it would be similar to Plummer's where cutting him or keeping him was only be a differece of $100K against the cap.

Probably why teams like Detroit etc enquired about him.

I don't think we should trade Al unless we had a viable alternative and not Nate Webster is not it. He had enough missed tackles and assignments to partly lose the niners game for us on D.

Wilson does a ton of stuff for us in terms of dropping back into coverage etc so we would need an every down LB to replace him comfortabley.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I honestly think they're determined to draft an elite college D-lineman or an OT.

I'm just not as fluent in draft-speak as most of the fans here, so I'm not certain who all are the sizzling hot prospects...I've heard of Okoye, Branch & Thomas, everybody has, but IF the Broncos trade down to 6, it's for a specific guy...I just don't know who.

Calvin Johnson would be a wet dream, but is there really any doubt at all that Gruden is going to grab him at...what...pick #3??
You've just put your finger on the key point to this discussion. Nobody at #6 makes sense...to expensive a move without a specific target in mind that satisfies an actual need and reflects value at the position. I can't believe we move up for a D-line guy because we NEVER do that...only 1 defensive lineman in the first round by Shanny, plus the depth of this draft at DE makes it unlikely...and Levi Brown can be had around 10-15 in all probability. The big 3 that would interest Shanny in a move up...Peterson, Johnson and Thomas...will all be gone before #6. Of those three...Peterson is probably not a target now that we have Henry and we always dumpster dive for O-line guys...my pet peeve...so I don't think we move up for Thomas either. Since these guys are all gone by #6 I don't think we move up to there...I think we move up to #2 instead. Just a few hours ago I didn't think so but now I do. The more I think about it, I think this is Shanny's thinking:

Al Wilson is an excellent player...but he's also 30 and in 3 years when Jay's ready to win a Superbowl, Al Wilson won't be part of the long term future here. He's got a capable backup in Webster who started for Cincy before hurting his knee in 2004, so it's worth moving Wilson for a shot at the best player in the draft...a physical freak in Johnson. Here's how each team would benefit:

1) Detroit needs a QB in the worst way because John Kitna will be 35 this year and he's not the answer, and there's never going to be a better time for a coach to risk a high pick on a QB than when he's a rookie HC with a team that's desperate for a franchise QB. Rod Marinelli doesn't have to bear the stigma of drafting Joey Harrington, so he can afford to take Brady Quinn this year because he's perceived as rebuilding anyway so they might as well, but he won't take him #2...especially when he's going to still be there at #6. Marinelli wants Wilson and Springs...so say multiple sources from Detroit. If he can get them, he'll move down to the #6 spot. This makes much more sene than a trade with the Jets where they'd have to drop all the way to #25 and they'd lose any chance at Quinn.

2) Washington wants Dre Bly...and they want to dump Springs and his salary. They also needs picks because they have so few, and this gives them more flexibility with additional high round picks.

3) Denver won't move to #6 unless they can parlay that pick into a pick that will get them Johnson, and #2 is the place they need to be, othewise Gruden will grab him at #4.

Here's the trade:

1) Denver trades the #21 pick, plus Al Wilson and Dre Bly, and EITHER our 2nd or 3rd round choice this year (hopefully the 3rd) to the Skins. Danny Snyder has a picture of Shanahan on his bedstand that says "Daddy" on it, so the Skins will not demand the house for this pick, especially since they'll be moving Springs salary.

2) Washington trades Wilson and Springs to the Lions plus their pick at #6 for a move up to #2. They then trade the #2 pick back to Denver in exchange for #21, Bly, and the 2nd OR 3rd (not both).

The Skins get the corner they want and another 2nd or 3rd, giving them a presense in the draft beyond the first round, plus a first rounder at #21 where they can probably add a solid defensive lineman. That's 3 good players plus they jettison Springs salary. Denver gets to draft the best player in the draft in Johnson, and Detroit gets their franchise QB of the future, plus an all pro linebacker and a solid corner. Wilson will look great next to Boss Bailey and Ernie Simms, and the Lions defense will be improved enough over the next 3 years while Quinn learns the ropes that they can tolerate some young QB mistakes for a while.

Think about it like this: Shanahan knows he can win Superbowls with great offenses even when he doesn't have great defensive units, and despite the lip service to the defense, his actions over the last two off seasons show he's interested primarily in upgrading the offense. We have as many as 8 new starters on OFFENSE from the team that got blown out against Pittsburgh in the 2005 playoffs. Last year when defense was the primary need he elected to take all offense except Dumervil in the draft, and this year in FA we're now at 5 new offensive players and 2 on defense...probably soon to be 1...maybe none if Big Fatty packs it in. I think the lure of a guy like Calvin Johnson...who is a bigger version of Randy Moss...will be to much for Shanny to resist.

This is an awesome deal for us if you look at what we actually started with and how we'd wind up:

We traded Tatum and Foster for Bly...basically we get Bly for free because we've already replaced Bell with a better runner, so that can't be counted as a loss, and Foster was going to be cut anyway. So we gave up NOTHING in terms of practical impact for Bly. Adding a 2nd rounder plus NOTHING (what we sacrificed for Bly) and Wilson to move up from #21 to #2 and get Johnson would be mind blowing. I'd even give them the 4th we have coming from Atlanta in 2008 as well if we needed to. That would make the trade: Calvin Johnson for Wilson, the #21 pick and a 2nd and a 4th in 2008. Johnson is 6'5", 238 pounds and a 4.37 guy...and he doesn't have the baggage Moss does either.

Close your eyes and imagine this lineup:

QB- Jay Cutler
WR- Javon Walker
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Brandon Marshall
TE- Daniel Graham
TE- Tony Scheffler
RB- Travis Henry

We'd have an offense that resembled the Moss/Culpepper unit in Minnesotta in '98 that was putting up 40 point games with regularity. We could probably find a pretty good defensive end in the 3rd round of this draft or maybe a linebacker to groom for Wilson's spot, and in 2008 we go all defense. An offense with this kind of firepower...and almost all of it young...could win multiple Lombardis.

[thumpc]

Wow Footsteps, who killed JFK?

[Mile High 81]

If we are speculating then yes we could take Al's hit. His contract is getting towards the back end of the years so that his cap charge for 2007 is high enough to balance out the cap hit we would take from the remaining prorated signing bonus.

In other words it would be similar to Plummer's where cutting him or keeping him was only be a differece of $100K against the cap.

Probably why teams like Detroit etc enquired about him.

I don't think we should trade Al unless we had a viable alternative and not Nate Webster is not it. He had enough missed tackles and assignments to partly lose the niners game for us on D.

Wilson does a ton of stuff for us in terms of dropping back into coverage etc so we would need an every down LB to replace him comfortabley.

Thanks. But I think the difference is that we have a replacement for Plummer on the roster (Cutler) and we have no replacement for Wilson. (Like you siad) So if we trade Al we have about 12 Million Dead Cap and a huge hole at the MLB spot…
The only option on the Market is maybe Vilma . I think he fits not well in the 3-4 Schema.. But this would be a monster Deal between 3 Teams…

[atomicbloke]

Sounds good but there are a few holes.

I think this is Shanny's thinking:

Al Wilson is an excellent player...but he's also 30 and in 3 years when Jay's ready to win a Superbowl, Al Wilson won't be part of the long term future here. He's got a capable backup in Webster who started for Cincy before hurting his knee in 2004

The same can be true for Tom Nalen, Matt Lepsis, Nick Ferguson, Rod Smith, Adam Meadows. Hell, even Champ, Gold, Travis Henry, Dan Graham and Warren are only a year younger than Wilson.

And I don't think the plan is to win the SB in 3 years. I think we are making a push this year. Or next. Why would we break the bank for Graham and Henry otherwise?

LB was the most settled unit in our defense. Why screw with it during a SB run.



2) Washington trades Wilson and Springs to the Lions plus their pick at #6 for a move up to #2. They then trade the #2 pick back to Denver in exchange for #21, Bly, and the 2nd OR 3rd (not both).

While I would love this, I think there is no way Snyder is going to fall for this again. It will probably take both the 2nd and 3rd to pull it off. And we know what happened to Mike Ditka when he put all his eggs in one hash-kit.


Close your eyes and imagine this lineup:

QB- Jay Cutler
WR- Javon Walker
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Brandon Marshall
TE- Daniel Graham
TE- Tony Scheffler
RB- Travis Henry


I closed my eyes. All I can imagine is losing high-scoring shootouts. Cutler and co put put 45 on the board. And the opposition passes at will on our D and puts up 55.


We'd have an offense that resembled the Moss/Culpepper unit in Minnesotta in '98 that was putting up 40 point games with regularity. We could probably find a pretty good defensive end in the 3rd round of this draft or maybe a linebacker to groom for Wilson's spot, and in 2008 we go all defense. An offense with this kind of firepower...and almost all of it young...could win multiple Lombardis.

Actually, I think Shanny wants to make our offense more like the Pats offense during their SB years. I think Cutler is going to spread the ball on offense. His accuracy and decision making skills will make that possible. We have options now to run 2-TE splits, 3-wide, even 5-wide if Davis Kirkus hangs around.

I do feel having Calvin Johnson is overkill in a spread offense.

Also, Javon may not take kindly to a reduction of carries. Having 2 #1 receivers on your team, when you are looking to spread the ball does seem overkill to me.

I would feel best if we can shore up the pass rush instead. And keep Bly or trade him for a 2nd which we can invest on a safety.

Thats as close as we can come to a complete team in the salary cap era. Such a team that can pass, run, stop the run and defend the pass equally well will be a very scary team.

[BroncoInferno]

footsteps, there are several players who makes sense at #6: Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, and Alan Branch are all players projected in that area of the draft who fit a big need. Now, if you're saying they won't draft DL just because they haven't done it recently, I think that's a little silly. Making a big push for Kerney definately indicates they are serious about upgrading the position, and since they missed out on him it's almost a certainity they are giving a hard look at their draft options.

[Dedhed]

I think Calvin Johnson may be the guy we're after. If Detroit is involved in the discussion the Broncos are looking to get the #2 overall pick, and take the #1 overall player. CJ is the most dominant player in this draft, and would add an absurd weapon for Cutler.

With that said, I think that once CJ was drafted the FO might move to trade him. It would give them tremendous flexibility to sit back and see who's available at each pick. Say the Browns passed on Adrian Peterson and he falls out of the top 5. The Broncos start fielding offers. You can write a prescription for any player the Broncos might be targeting. Okoye, Jamaal Anderson, Gaines Adams, Laron Landry, Patrick Willis.

I think CJ is the consensus best player in the draft, and if we secured his rights then we could shop him at any point during the draft; or keep him if nothing sounds good and run to the bank.

[Barry Ramey]

Thre's no doubt the Broncos are not done addressing the DL. They tried for Kerney and even if they end up with Wilkinson, they still need more depth on the DL.

[OrangeShadow]

That kind of size is not all that uncommon in todays NFL.

http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img9288103.jpg
Aaron Schobel
6'4 262 lbs.
14 sacks in 2006

http://www.nflhs.com/images/PI/dl19_JasonTaylor2006-200.jpg
Jason Taylor
6'6 255 lbs.
13.5 sacks in 2006

http://www.chicagobears.com/UserFiles/Image/story_photos/Anderson_inside091506.jpg
Mark Anderson
6'4 258 lbs.
12 sacks in 2006 as a rookie

that a good point, i think bates could use adams very well.

[gunns]

If we were to get the Redskins #6 pick here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. By some stroke of luck, Calvin Johnson falls to us.
2. We draft Alan Branch
3. We trade down a few spots and pick LARON LANDRY

God Bless you TJ with that #3.

I'm just totally confused with the want for Johnson. I know he's a freak at WR but WR's are a dime a dozen and the last WR taken in the 1st round that was a game changer was Marvin Harrison 11 years ago.

Now I know a lot of those WR's taken in the 1st round went to bad teams. But few have been a game changer for any team when traded to them. Hell we have one of them that could potentially do that already in Walker. Our D line which has been our achilles heal for several years now is still sitting in the same predictament it's been in, are we going to continue to say if we fix everything else we'll be all right? If we take Johnson and our D line continues to drag the team down, how great will that be to have a freak trophy and we're still saying "well next year when we improve our D line Johnson will take us to the SB"? When was the last time a WR took their team to a SB? NE went to SB's with less than stellar WR's.

I've never been a proponent of taking the best player available in the draft unless it was a dire need. And I've never been a proponent of taking a WR in the first round except when it was a dire need and we could have had Carl Pickens. Right now as I see it our biggest needs are DL, S, and OL.

[broncogary]

We'd have an offense that resembled the Moss/Culpepper unit in Minnesotta in '98 that was putting up 40 point games with regularity.

Except Culpepper was still in college in 98. Randall Cunningham had a good year though.

[SouthStndJunkie]

If we were to get the Redskins #6 pick here's what I'd like to see happen:

1. By some stroke of luck, Calvin Johnson falls to us.
2. We draft Alan Branch
3. We trade down a few spots and pick LARON LANDRY

I am down with the Alan Branch scenario (I see DT as a bigger need than DE and Branch is the best) and the LaRon Landry scenario (I think he is going to be a pro bowl stud).

[OrangeShadow]

And I don't think the plan is to win the SB in 3 years. I think we are making a push this year. Or next. Why would we break the bank for Graham and Henry otherwise?


ding ding ding we have a winner!

this front office isnt playing for 3 years down the road,probably not even 2. They want to win NEXT year.

[MechanicalBull]

If this rumor is true then like others have said I think if this trade happens that they at least have a couple of guys targeted with the 6th pick, but if guys start to fall or if they have already been drafted then they can move back to around 12 or so and get a 2nd rounder as well since teams will probably be calling and making offers if Peterson and/or Quinn are still on the board.

On to the Calvin Johnson topic. It's not a a real need but I won't complain one bit if they somehow draft him. But what would become of Rod? As of right now Smith is probably the #3 wr unless Marshall has a set back in training camp. So if we took Johnson then that bumps Smith down to #4 wr but like the 5th or 6th option when you factor in Scheffler and Graham. Do you cut him? ask him to be a player/coach? or what?

[-Slap-]

We need to move up to six and then somehow back down to 10 and 13 so we can draft Landry and Willis.

[-Slap-]

I also want a pony for Christmas.

[eddie mac]

If the Broncos trade up with Washington for an offensive player whilst in the process dumping Wilson/Bly and 21 and another pick our defense will be worse this year than last and we all witnessed how pathetic they were down the stretch.

Lang
Wilkinson
Warren
Ekuban
Gold
Webster
Williams
Bailey
Lynch
Ferguson
Foxworth

[vancejohnson82]

As sad as I would be to see Wilson go the prospect of that high first rounder has me a bit excited

could you imagine Calvin Johnson alongside Javon with Cutler and Henry????

[Broncoman13]

Well now that Willis has gone and turned a bunch of heads by working out so well, there's no way he'll slide past the middle of round 1. Funny how many idiots were saying he would last into the 2nd round.

I still think there is a way to get to #6 without giving up pick #21. It would probably involve trading Wilson to Detroit for their #34 and then parlaying that pick with our own 2nd, 3rd, the skins 3rd, and Bly. Perhaps then we would have 6 and 21.

Here's the problem though. @ #6 Branch will be available but he's not an impact player. Landry a little more so but not game changing impact. Calvin Johnson is by far the best talent in the draft but we only have 1 ball to go around. Gaines Adams makes the most sense.

Personally, if we end up at #6 I would hope we would trade down a bit and then draft either Willis or Carriker.


Bottom line though. We could easily draft Carriker/Moss/Spencer at 21.
Wendling/Weddle/Rouse at 53.
Thomas/Tyler/Soliai at 70.
best available OL at 85.

In other words we could get impact players at DE, S, and DT if we just stay where we're at. And, we don't have to worry about replacing Wilson or Bly either.

[Rohirrim]

1. Do the Broncos have enough money to pay for a #2 pick?
2. Do they have the money to pay for a #6 pick?
3. Branch is the only player in the top ten that Mayock described as a possible boom/bust. Has any other position had as many 1st round busts as DT?
4. With Javon and Marshall on the team, why trade up for a #1 WR, no matter how highly rated?
5. I agree with Wabbit. If the Broncos go up to #2, the target is Thomas. I've never seen a tackle that big move like that.
6. The joy of being at #2 would be watching Al Davis squirm at #1.
7. The DP reports this AM that restructuring talks are not going too well with Rod Smith and there's the possibility he will be released. What would that do to the cap? If they cut him, doesn't all his (past restructered) money come due?
8. Why are CBs who have never played a down in the NFL so sought after in the draft, and yet when you shop around a proven, top-grade, pro-bowl CB in his prime, people are offering you fourth rounders?

[watermock]

And where exactly are we going to come up with the money for a top 10 pick and new MLB?

[Rock Chalk]

Forget about Washington. Carolina needs a MLB since Chris Draft is a FA and Dan Morgan has a series of concussions. So trade Al Wilson + a draft pick for Julius Peppers. We end the FA period with Henry, Graham, and Peppers. I bet it can be done that easily in Madden Hilarious!

If we trade Al Wilson, the ONLY person Id be happy with in exchange is Peppers.

**** a draft pick. Draft picks are crap shoots. People here drool at the possibility of the #6, hell even the #2 pick. Well, all I have to say is the odds are extremely good we throw that pick away on some pile of dung. Last year's draft was the exception, not the rule. Denver in no way gives me confidence to draft well...ever. The odds of them doing it well two years in a row are probably greatr than Earth being struck by a catastrophic asteroid.

Now, if somehow or another we could get Peppers, I will be OK with trading Al Wilson.

I Keep hearing how we might as well get value for him now. Does no one show any loyalty anymore? Are you people that concerned with a draft pick that you would give up the heart and soul of the defense since he got here? Would you have given up Elway or Tomy Jackson or Rulon Jones or Meck or Gradishar once they hit 30 to get some drft picks? Look, Al Wilson is at LEAST in teh group with Tommy Jackson and Rulon Jones and likely up there with Mecklenberg as well. Id say Gradishar but the old timers will call blasphemy and to be fair I never saw him play so cant compare. Yeah, he had a broken thumb last year. Thats not shot, thats bad luck and he fought through that. This is a guy that was a first string pro-bowler last year and you want to give him up for a chance at some guy and - here's the best part - no one knows who, nor has anyone offered up any kind of reasonable replacement for Al.

If Al goes, our defense just got a whole lot worse. #55, are you ****ing kidding me Ratboy? Are you retarded?

[fontaine]

Thanks. But I think the difference is that we have a replacement for Plummer on the roster (Cutler) and we have no replacement for Wilson. (Like you siad) So if we trade Al we have about 12 Million Dead Cap and a huge hole at the MLB spot…
The only option on the Market is maybe Vilma . I think he fits not well in the 3-4 Schema.. But this would be a monster Deal between 3 Teams…

No probs MH. I'm not sure if we trade Al it'll be a 12 million hit. I think his base + plus rough incentives and bonus is around $6 or so million. So if we traded him the cap hit would be about that from the remaining prorated SB.

The real problem comes when we have to bring in another player from the outside in and absord his cap charge as well. You mentioned Vilma and he had a very similar toolset to Al in coverage abilities/instincts/leadership etc so he could be an exciting replacemant but would add another couple million to our cap.

It sounds way to complicated to happen though.

[broncswin]

There is no way Webster is ready to fill the MLB role footsteps, I do like a lot of things that you said in that post, but that one jumped out and tried kicking me in the nutts. NO WAY TO WEBSTER IN THE MIDDLE!!

[MileHighMania]

I'm not a fan of trading Wilson at all..

[fontaine]

If we trade Al Wilson, the ONLY person Id be happy with in exchange is Peppers.

**** a draft pick. Draft picks are crap shoots. People here drool at the possibility of the #6, hell even the #2 pick. Well, all I have to say is the odds are extremely good we throw that pick away on some pile of dung. Last year's draft was the exception, not the rule. Denver in no way gives me confidence to draft well...ever. The odds of them doing it well two years in a row are probably greatr than Earth being struck by a catastrophic asteroid.


While I DON'T want to trade Al Wilson, there's no way we are winning the superbowl if we don't draft well.

We've had Wilson and brought in a whole load of Defensive vets via free agency/trades and every year our defense is still a problem.

The way to the Super Bowl is to keep important vets and leaders like Wilson AND draft well.

We have the Champ Baileys, Wilsons, Nalens etc. What we need is to continue drafting well.

Good drafting (Addai/Bob Sanders/LBers) pushed the Colts from perennial chokers to SuperBowl Champs.

[Triplelefthook]

If we trade Al Wilson, the ONLY person Id be happy with in exchange is Peppers.

**** a draft pick. Draft picks are crap shoots. People here drool at the possibility of the #6, hell even the #2 pick. Well, all I have to say is the odds are extremely good we throw that pick away on some pile of dung. Last year's draft was the exception, not the rule. Denver in no way gives me confidence to draft well...ever. The odds of them doing it well two years in a row are probably greatr than Earth being struck by a catastrophic asteroid.

Now, if somehow or another we could get Peppers, I will be OK with trading Al Wilson.

I Keep hearing how we might as well get value for him now. Does no one show any loyalty anymore? Are you people that concerned with a draft pick that you would give up the heart and soul of the defense since he got here? Would you have given up Elway or Tomy Jackson or Rulon Jones or Meck or Gradishar once they hit 30 to get some drft picks? Look, Al Wilson is at LEAST in teh group with Tommy Jackson and Rulon Jones and likely up there with Mecklenberg as well. Id say Gradishar but the old timers will call blasphemy and to be fair I never saw him play so cant compare. Yeah, he had a broken thumb last year. Thats not shot, thats bad luck and he fought through that. This is a guy that was a first string pro-bowler last year and you want to give him up for a chance at some guy and - here's the best part - no one knows who, nor has anyone offered up any kind of reasonable replacement for Al.

If Al goes, our defense just got a whole lot worse. #55, are you ****ing kidding me Ratboy? Are you retarded?

Beautifully illustrated.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

IMO, don't even try to move up to 6. Anderson and Gaines are not as good as Mario Williams and Branch is a big risk. If Bly doesn't want to be here trade him for a second round choice. The strength of this draft is not in the stars but in the solid but unspectacular players in rounds 2-4.

[Needa Pass Rush]

So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...


:Broncos:

That just doesn't add up. Bly and 2 for Springs and 6? ......... and we are throwing in 2 #1 type talents on top of our 21st? Fuzzy math at the Det/Wash level, for sure.

[Drek]

If we trade Al Wilson, the ONLY person Id be happy with in exchange is Peppers.

**** a draft pick. Draft picks are crap shoots. People here drool at the possibility of the #6, hell even the #2 pick. Well, all I have to say is the odds are extremely good we throw that pick away on some pile of dung. Last year's draft was the exception, not the rule. Denver in no way gives me confidence to draft well...ever. The odds of them doing it well two years in a row are probably greatr than Earth being struck by a catastrophic asteroid.

Really? Damn, I wish Regan's Star Wars defense was in place then, because those asteroids must be coming soon.

Our '05 draft saw us take three CBs, who then went on to take over spots 2-4 on the CB depth chart in their rookie year as well as last year. It also saw us add a OG/C in the 6th who was our 2nd stinger at both spots last year in Chris Myers, and a 7th round pick that was our starting punter this past season. Clarett was a bust but thats still a pretty damn impressive draft for not having any 1st, 4th, or 5th round picks.

The big difference between the '05 and '06 drafts compared to the previous ones is that now Sundquist plays a more active role and we actually play the positioning game like we should instead of Shanahan basically taking his personal favorites straight off with the top few picks.

I don't think thats going to change and as a result I don't think this run of draft success is luck or about to end.

That said, trading Wilson to move up in this draft is a bad move. There isn't an MLB free agent who can replace him, and only one in this draft, Patrick Willis. The only way we should be considering this kind of move is if we can land Willis while still keeping the top pick.

However, I don't think Wilson is the heart of this defense anymore. Lynch and Champ have taken that role from him. The linebackers played lackluster football all year and it wasn't just injuries slowing them down, it was a lack of effort and toughness. He's a veteran leader but he isn't the necessary piece for the D to work, especially since we're changing defensive schemes as it is.

[fontaine]

However, I don't think Wilson is the heart of this defense anymore. Lynch and Champ have taken that role from him. The linebackers played lackluster football all year and it wasn't just injuries slowing them down, it was a lack of effort and toughness. He's a veteran leader but he isn't the necessary piece for the D to work, especially since we're changing defensive schemes as it is.

All I know is that in a game against the niners, yes the freakin' 49ers with the playoffs on the line this defense laid down to Frank Gore without Al Wilson like a bunch of submissive dogs.

Frank Gore compiled 153 yards rushing against our D that game. More than any other back this D faced all season.

We played Larry Johnson/Tomlinson twice each and Gore outrushed those cats against an Al Wilson less defense.

Lynch is a great guy, no doubt. But in our system he's protected because Wilson/Gold probably have just as many, if not more, coverage responsibilities than him.

As far as D schemes go, Bates has already said his scheme makes all three LBers put in the tackling work while the DTs hold up blockers in which case Al's leadership/toughness and tackling ability is all important.

[Drek]

All I know is that in a game against the niners, yes the freakin' 49ers with the playoffs on the line this defense laid down to Frank Gore without Al Wilson like a bunch of submissive dogs.

Frank Gore compiled 153 yards rushing against our D that game. More than any other back this D faced all season.

We played Larry Johnson/Tomlinson twice each and Gore outrushed those cats against an Al Wilson less defense.

Lynch is a great guy, no doubt. But in our system he's protected because Wilson/Gold probably have just as many, if not more, coverage responsibilities than him.

As far as D schemes go, Bates has already said his scheme makes all three LBers put in the tackling work while the DTs hold up blockers in which case Al's leadership/toughness and tackling ability is all important.

You act like Frank Gore is some scrub. He was the 3rd leading rusher with a higher YPC than either Tomlinson or Johnson. It was his 6th game in the last 8 where he broke 130+ yards. His yards per carry against us was 4.9, thats actually lower than his season average.

Our offense gave that game up by handing the ball over and letting the 49ers just grind it out with Gore. Tatum laid it on the field, the OL (namely Foster) got Cutler crushed and let Jake get another chance to shoot us in the foot for old time's sake, and then Cutler came back still reeling from a cuncusion to get us into OT.

I'm not saying Wilson isn't a big part of our D, but he isn't the heart of the team. Name the last time he came up with a big play. Champ makes one every other week. Lynch makes as many critical stops as Wilson and he's helped Champ get our young DBs up to a quality level.

Champ has taken over this defense, its a fine thing to admit. Wilson is a very good player but he's just not that level of difference maker.

I think Wilson will make a great fit for Bates' system, hell, he's a better player than Zach Thomas who's built a big time career off Bates' scheme. What I was saying though is that since we're changing schemes anyways it'd be easier to replace Wilson now than at any other point.

Again, I don't want to move Wilson, he's the second best player on our D after Champ, but I'm just being realistic. He's not making the impact he used to, he's getting older, and his leadership role is largely filled by Champ and Lynch.

If a situation arose where we could have a top 10 pick and still a middle 1st to take Patrick Willis with I'd be willing to make that move, thats just too much value to add to our future not to take it. Its like someone offering you two scratch off tickets every month for the next year in exchange for $5 now. Chances are you at least recoup your money, but you could also make a lot more.

[NFLBRONCO]

Any pick can bomb its a risk but, you've got to take risks. Thomas is a stud OT this year I guess. I'm sure everyone thought Gallery Mandrich Davis were studs too and look now.

[fontaine]

You act like Frank Gore is some scrub. He was the 3rd leading rusher with a higher YPC than either Tomlinson or Johnson. It was his 6th game in the last 8 where he broke 130+ yards. His yards per carry against us was 4.9, thats actually lower than his season average.

Our offense gave that game up by handing the ball over and letting the 49ers just grind it out with Gore. Tatum laid it on the field, the OL (namely Foster) got Cutler crushed and let Jake get another chance to shoot us in the foot for old time's sake, and then Cutler came back still reeling from a cuncusion to get us into OT.

I'm not saying Wilson isn't a big part of our D, but he isn't the heart of the team. Name the last time he came up with a big play. Champ makes one every other week. Lynch makes as many critical stops as Wilson and he's helped Champ get our young DBs up to a quality level.

Champ has taken over this defense, its a fine thing to admit. Wilson is a very good player but he's just not that level of difference maker.

I think Wilson will make a great fit for Bates' system, hell, he's a better player than Zach Thomas who's built a big time career off Bates' scheme. What I was saying though is that since we're changing schemes anyways it'd be easier to replace Wilson now than at any other point.

Again, I don't want to move Wilson, he's the second best player on our D after Champ, but I'm just being realistic. He's not making the impact he used to, he's getting older, and his leadership role is largely filled by Champ and Lynch.

Our offense had been lying down all season long and giving the ball over to the other team so what our offense did against the 49ers doesn't matter.

Champ is a great player and the best defensive player we have, but what's Champ going to do when Gore runs up the gut 31 times successfully because the niners targetted our weak run D? Lynch really filled in Al's role there!
ROFL!

Like I said Champ/Lynch are great players but why would anyone pass the ball when they could run for 150 yards every game with Wilson out?

[chaz]

God Bless you TJ with that #3.

I'm just totally confused with the want for Johnson. I know he's a freak at WR but WR's are a dime a dozen and the last WR taken in the 1st round that was a game changer was Marvin Harrison 11 years ago.


i hope you're kidding....?!?! randy moss, javon walker, andre johnson, roy williams, larry fitzgerald is well on his way....i understand your point that first round wr's have a high bust rate, but there have been some great one's too.

[TheDave]

IMO, don't even try to move up to 6. Anderson and Gaines are not as good as Mario Williams and Branch is a big risk. If Bly doesn't want to be here trade him for a second round choice. The strength of this draft is not in the stars but in the solid but unspectacular players in rounds 2-4.


Bingo!

This draft is all about quantity over quality... Sure there are stars at the top but the depth and quality of players throughout the 1st day is what makes this draft.

[RocBronc]

Didn't the skins sign a MLB in London Fletcher??? Why would they have a need for Wilson??

[sirhcyennek81]

Didn't the skins sign a MLB in London Fletcher??? Why would they have a need for Wilson??


Thats why you include Detroit, they have a hole at MLB...


:Broncos:

[telluride]

Are we even sure that Al would pass another team's physical? 'Cause that neck injury from last season surely caused some lingering damage.

[watermock]

What was his injury that kept him on the bench against the Niners? His neck?

[Natedogg]

This rumor ****ing sucks. I will be raging if smoke dog leaves. He is my favorite bronco and plays lights out every play. It was no coincidence we got assraped by the 9ers when he was out. Definately agree with you alex. It would be a bad move to trade wilson.

[Drek]

Our offense had been lying down all season long and giving the ball over to the other team so what our offense did against the 49ers doesn't matter.

Champ is a great player and the best defensive player we have, but what's Champ going to do when Gore runs up the gut 31 times successfully because the niners targetted our weak run D? Lynch really filled in Al's role there!
ROFL!

Like I said Champ/Lynch are great players but why would anyone pass the ball when they could run for 150 yards every game with Wilson out?

The reason the 49ers ran for 150 yards is that we kept putting them on short fields with turnovers.

Gore averaged 4.9 ypc against us, the season average as 4.1. Do you really think Gore, the #3 rusher last year with a 5.4 ypc is only .8 ypc better than the average runner?

Our run defense was pretty **** all year. It got worse without Wilson, but it wasn't some huge drop off resulting only from not having Wilson. The fact that we faced an elite rusher and kept giving them the ball, wearing our D out, played a big role.

Would Al have helped in that game? I'm sure he would have, but thats as much a statement as to how much Webster sucks as it is Wilson's skill. Al is a very good player but he hasn't played like a great player in several years.

[Bladerunner]

Moving Wilson would be a horrible move. He's All-Pro. Nobody unloads All-Pro's. 'cept Wahington. With Denver moving to Bate's scheme, a monster at MLB is even more important. Zach Thomas is a heck of a player, his tackle totals are huge, but Al Wilson is better. I expect him to have a banner year this season. Trading Al would be pure stupidity.

[NFLBRONCO]

Moving Wilson would be a horrible move. He's All-Pro. Nobody unloads All-Pro's. 'cept Wahington. With Denver moving to Bate's scheme, a monster at MLB is even more important. Zach Thomas is a heck of a player, his tackle totals are huge, but Al Wilson is better. I expect him to have a banner year this season. Trading Al would be pure stupidity.


Jack Thomas is noticeable in alot of games. I never notice Wilson much at all All Pro or not. If we keep Wilson fine but, we'll see how much of an impact he has this season with Bates. Wilson is a leader and that is important but, I don't understand the hard ons alot of fans have for him he isn't that much of a playmaker if you ask me.

[Barry Ramey]

I would like to see Wilson in Bates' defense before determining if he needs to go. Other than Champ and sometimes Lynch, nobody on the defense really seemed to stand out with Coyer's defense.

[Natedogg]

Jack Thomas is noticeable in alot of games. I never notice Wilson much at all All Pro or not. If we keep Wilson fine but, we'll see how much of an impact he has this season with Bates. Wilson is a leader and that is important but, I don't understand the hard ons alot of fans have for him he isn't that much of a playmaker if you ask me.

:spit:

So you must not count his 3rd and 1 stuffs as plays. What a post.

[Taco John]

We need to move up to six and then somehow back down to 10 and 13 so we can draft Landry and Willis.



You had me at "hello."

[broncolife]

Jack Thomas is noticeable in alot of games. I never notice Wilson much at all All Pro or not. If we keep Wilson fine but, we'll see how much of an impact he has this season with Bates. Wilson is a leader and that is important but, I don't understand the hard ons alot of fans have for him he isn't that much of a playmaker if you ask me.

People are still feeding off his contract year. He gave me alot of wood that year when he was laying the wood to alot of people. That is the year I thought Al was the heart of our Defense and we couldnt afford to lose him. I expected him to improve more but to me he has declined from that year. And I dont think he has the leadership role anymore, since I see Lynch always firing up the troops before the game and Champ leading by example.

[BroncoMan4ever]

If Wilson is traded that will be a travesty in denver.

[thumpc]

IMO, don't even try to move up to 6. Anderson and Gaines are not as good as Mario Williams and Branch is a big risk. If Bly doesn't want to be here trade him for a second round choice. The strength of this draft is not in the stars but in the solid but unspectacular players in rounds 2-4.

If you look at the vaue chart, we can trade #21 for a high 2nd and a high 3rd with a Tampa or Houston.

[Paladin]

Problem is, they gotta wanna trade.....

[cutthemdown]

If you look at the vaue chart, we can trade #21 for a high 2nd and a high 3rd with a Tampa or Houston.

screw that we need impact players not a bunch of 3rd round picks. I say trade up for a stud or stay where we are.

[sirhcyennek81]

screw that we need impact players not a bunch of 3rd round picks. I say trade up for a stud or stay where we are.

Impact players are everywhere in the NFL draft, not just exclusively in the top 10 of the first round.


:Broncos:

[ZONA]

If Wilson is traded that will be a travesty in denver.


Speak for yourself. I personally think he's missed alot of plays over the past few years that has cost the team. He's on the decline if you ask me and I would not be one bit upset if we traded him. I like him, yes. I just don't think he's a top 10 LB anymore. I'd keep him if he took a pay cut, but that's the only way.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

screw that we need impact players not a bunch of 3rd round picks. I say trade up for a stud or stay where we are.

The only two impact players in this draft are CJ and Thomas. Every other player would have been late first at best in last year's draft.

[chaz]

The only two impact players in this draft are CJ and Thomas. Every other player would have been late first at best in last year's draft.

you have got to be kidding me....

[BroncoInferno]

The only two impact players in this draft are CJ and Thomas. Every other player would have been late first at best in last year's draft.

Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson are impact players, no question. Period. There is simply no reasonable argument to the contrary.

[U4EA]

Yeah, dumb statement.

Brady Quinn is at least the equal of Matt Leinart. Anderson. Branch, and Adams would be early firsts any year. LaRon Landry is at least as good as Mike Huff. And I just pulled those names out of my a**.

[Atlas]

screw that we need impact players not a bunch of 3rd round picks. I say trade up for a stud or stay where we are.
I agree but I think now that Denver needs to stay where they are at.

[chaz]

Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson are impact players, no question. Period. There is simply no reasonable argument to the contrary.

adrian peterson...laron landry...there are quite a few guys ready to make an impact in their rookie years dont be ridiculous big guy Ha!

[Atlas]

Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson are impact players, no question. Period. There is simply no reasonable argument to the contrary.


Sure there is an arguement.

Warren and Courtney Brown were impact players no question. Period. ALSO.

[NFLBRONCO]

Broncos GM said on CBS 4 Bly will be a Bronco the unhappy part is untrue. I still think we will move him.

[BroncoInferno]

Sure there is an arguement.

Warren and Courtney Brown were impact players no question. Period. ALSO.

I'll eat my hat if Gaines Adams is not an impact player in the NFL. I've had the pleasure of watching that young man for every game of his career; he is a slam dunk, no question about it.

[BroncoInferno]

Broncos GM said, Bly will be a Bronco the unhappy part is untrue.

Source?

[NFLBRONCO]

Source?

News 4 tonight at 10 they talked to Ted

[wabbit]

Just watched a clip on KCNC Channel 4 here in Denver, where Ted Sundquist categorically denied there was any problems with Dre' Bly.

Sundquist said he has been in touch with Bly & his agent several times this week and says there is absolutely no problem with the trade or the player involved.

Now, it is wise to remember this is the same guy who told the press Ashley Lelie 'isn't going anywhere' at the same time the team was in negotiations...or, at the least, trade discussions, so you can't completely count out deliberate deception, but he (Sundquist) seemed fairly emphatic.

That isn't to say there can't be on-going talks with Washington...after all...judging from our past dealing... we may have some beads and there is still land in Manhatten, but, assuming Sundquist isn't being purposefully deceptive, talks do NOT include Dre' Bly.

[BroncoInferno]

Just watched a clip on KCNC Channel 4 here in Denver, where Ted Sundquist categorically denied there was any problems with Dre' Bly.

Sundquist said he has been in touch with Bly & his agent several times this week and says there is absolutely no problem with the trade or the player involved.

Now, it is wise to remember this is the same guy who told the press Ashley Lelie 'isn't going anywhere' at the same time the team was in negotiations...or, at the least, trade discussions, so you can't completely count out deliberate deception, but he (Sundquist) seemed fairly emphatic.

That isn't to say there can't be on-going talks with Washington...after all...judging from our past dealing... we may have some beads and there is still land in Manhatten, but, assuming Sundquist isn't being purposefully deceptive, talks do NOT include Dre' Bly.

What makes me skeptical is the talk of bringing Malkin in for a visit. What it is the point of bringing in Malkin if Bly is on board for '07? Unless Bates doesn't like what he he sees from Foxworth and/or Paymah in the nickle/dime.

[NFLBRONCO]

Just watched a clip on KCNC Channel 4 here in Denver, where Ted Sundquist categorically denied there was any problems with Dre' Bly.

Sundquist said he has been in touch with Bly & his agent several times this week and says there is absolutely no problem with the trade or the player involved.

Now, it is wise to remember this is the same guy who told the press Ashley Lelie 'isn't going anywhere' at the same time the team was in negotiations...or, at the least, trade discussions, so you can't completely count out deliberate deception, but he (Sundquist) seemed fairly emphatic.

That isn't to say there can't be on-going talks with Washington...after all...judging from our past dealing... we may have some beads and there is still land in Manhatten, but, assuming Sundquist isn't being purposefully deceptive, talks do NOT include Dre' Bly.


They have to act this way saying Bly will be a bronco it keeps Bly's value up for trade talks. I still think he'll be moved week before draft.

[wabbit]

I didn't see your post on the same item NFLBRONCO.

My apologies.

[SoCalBronco]

What makes me skeptical is the talk of bringing Malkin in for a visit. What it is the point of bringing in Malkin if Bly is on board for '07? Unless Bates doesn't like what he he sees from Foxworth and/or Paymah in the nickle/dime.


You really think we are gonna bring in Geno? That would be cool for him to be playing for two of my teams simultaneously.

:thumbsup:

;D