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bap454
03-07-2007, 01:51 PM
POSTED 9:03 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 10:29 a.m. EST, March 7, 2007
PLUMMER BLUFFING ABOUT RETIRING
A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that quarterback Jake Plummer does not intend to retire, and that he is (as suspected) trying to get to Houston, where he would be reunited with former Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak.
Plummer's desire to play for the Texans would help explain the failure of the team, in the wake of his supposed retirement, to hit the market and sign a veteran quarterback, since it's widely believed that David Carr is finished there.
Some league insiders believe that, in the end, Houston will acquire his rights, presumably via a trade with the Buccaneers.
As reported by http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
So what in the world would this do to our conditional pick???:confuzzle :
Sorry if this was posted already ... just havent seen it.
POSTED 9:03 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 10:29 a.m. EST, March 7, 2007
PLUMMER BLUFFING ABOUT RETIRING
A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that quarterback Jake Plummer does not intend to retire, and that he is (as suspected) trying to get to Houston, where he would be reunited with former Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak.
Plummer's desire to play for the Texans would help explain the failure of the team, in the wake of his supposed retirement, to hit the market and sign a veteran quarterback, since it's widely believed that David Carr is finished there.
Some league insiders believe that, in the end, Houston will acquire his rights, presumably via a trade with the Buccaneers.
As reported by http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
So what in the world would this do to our conditional pick???:confuzzle :
Sorry if this was posted already ... just havent seen it.
If he reports we get a 4th, otherwise a 7th.
listopencil
03-07-2007, 02:06 PM
Broncos | Dog Signed At Running Back
Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:48:36 -0800
Jeff Legwold (http://www.kffl.com/link/137), of the Rocky Mountain News (http://www.kffl.com/link/168), reports that the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) have signed "listopencil's dog" to a five year contract expected to be worth $1,256. Front Office personnel state that the amount is league minimum for a canine. The dog is expected to back up Travis Henry and Mike Bell but Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) Head Coach Mike Shannahan has stated that "...every position on the team is open to competition..." and that "...no one will be just handed a roster spot..." so listopencil's dog will get a long look this pre-season.
-Slap-
03-07-2007, 02:07 PM
Impossible. Jake's intentions are always completely noble in everything he does.
From his flipping off the fans, to his road rage incident, to his calling a gossip columnist at her house because she was mean to him, to his flat out quitting on the team when we drafted his replacement, good old Jake is the genuine article.
TheDave
03-07-2007, 02:24 PM
Impossible. Jake's intentions are always completely noble in everything he does.
From his flipping off the fans, to his road rage incident, to his calling a gossip columnist at her house because she was mean to him, to his flat out quitting on the team when we drafted his replacement, good old Jake is the genuine article.
Funny how this was sooooo obvious to some of us and so inconcievable to others. :wiggle:
Side note: Did Plummers mom actually think he was retiring or did jake pay her to think this?
55CrushEm
03-07-2007, 02:29 PM
If he reports we get a 4th, otherwise a 7th.
Sweet....we get a 4th if he plays in the NFL this year? Nice.
Garcia Bronco
03-07-2007, 02:32 PM
If he doesn't retire, I would sue him for all he's worth and take his money and ruin his life for as long as possible.
Ratboy
03-07-2007, 02:32 PM
Impossible. Jake's intentions are always completely noble in everything he does.
From his flipping off the fans, to his road rage incident, to his calling a gossip columnist at her house because she was mean to him, to his flat out quitting on the team when we drafted his replacement, good old Jake is the genuine article.
Bingo.
plummershelper
03-07-2007, 03:20 PM
I was listening to Dan Patrick on ESPN radio about an hour ago and he was talking with Rick Riley from SI. Apparently Riley spoke with Jake's mom and she said he's thinking about signing up for the Peace Corp. Take that for what you will.
cutthemdown
03-07-2007, 03:29 PM
the peace corps? LOL classic he can go build huts in ghazinliktistferrerr.
bloodsunday
03-07-2007, 03:30 PM
All Houston had to do was pony up a 4th and this would all be over.
Atlas
03-07-2007, 03:34 PM
the peace corps? LOL classic he can go build huts in ghazinliktistferrerr.
WOW that place is a real sh!thole..
plummershelper
03-07-2007, 03:37 PM
Try Butte, Montana. That makes any shtihole look like shangri la
SCREW 'IM!
http://videodetective.com/photos/129/000543_13.jpg
freak6
03-07-2007, 03:46 PM
Peace Corps?!?!?! Fk that. He's single, has a degree, and some atheticism.
We need Officers in the MARINE CORPS!!!!
Can you imagine?
lmao
TheDave
03-07-2007, 03:56 PM
Peace Corps?!?!?! Fk that. He's single, has a degree, and some atheticism.
We need Officers in the MARINE CORPS!!!!
Can you imagine?
lmao
With the frequency he threw to the wrong team team, not sure if giving him a gun is a good idea
bendog
03-07-2007, 04:03 PM
With the frequency he threw to the wrong team team, not sure if giving him a gun is a good idea
I was thinking of the damage he could do with wayward hand grenades, but maybe they don't use those anymore.
Circle Orange
03-07-2007, 04:29 PM
Fakery? Plastic usually melts when things get hot.
Steve Prefontaine
03-07-2007, 04:55 PM
That sucks. Happens to the best of us though.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
I got caught bluffing in a tournament in AC on Monday. I raised in late position with J/5 suited, just trying to buy. The BB called. I hit a Jack but the BB moved all-in with nothing. I called and my hand held up. I guess we both kind of got caught bluffing then.
Now that I think about it, that might have been Plummer. He was wearing sunglasses and he is retired.
Crushaholic
03-07-2007, 05:01 PM
If he doesn't retire, I would sue him for all he's worth and take his money and ruin his life for as long as possible.
It's actually better for us if Plummer DOES play somewhere else...
Odysseus
03-07-2007, 05:03 PM
That sucks. Happens to the best of us though.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
I got caught bluffing in a tournament in AC on Monday. I raised in late position with J/5 suited, just trying to buy. The BB called. I hit a Jack but the BB moved all-in with nothing. I called and my hand held up. I guess we both kind of got caught bluffing then.
Now that I think about it, that might have been Plummer. He was wearing sunglasses and he is retired.
:rofl:
Odysseus
03-07-2007, 05:07 PM
It's actually better for us if Plummer DOES play somewhere else...
That can't be true. That would mean everyone weeping bitter tears about Plummer are stupid! Maybe you use angry tough sounding words to make it sound like you really mean it.
Steve Prefontaine
03-07-2007, 05:30 PM
It's actually better for us if Plummer DOES play somewhere else...
But then Garcia doesn't get to sue Plummer and ruin his life!!!
Odysseus
03-07-2007, 05:51 PM
But then Garcia doesn't get to sue Plummer and ruin his life!!!
:giggle:
orinjkrush
03-07-2007, 06:10 PM
its just a business. its just a business.
no, its the love of the game. the love of the game.
no, its duty, honor, loyalty. going to war with your buddies.
no its just a job, just a job.
no, its for the fans, for the city, for the team
no, its...whatever....
Tredici
03-08-2007, 12:52 AM
Kubiak: Mike, I don't know. The fans in Houston are starting to call me Head Coach of the Houston Broncos.
Shanahan: Crap. How about if I call Gruden, deal him Plummer. He gets Plummer's rights and screws Al Davis. Then you get a former Buccaneer instead of a former Bronco?
Kubiak: Well, our fans aren't the brightest...
(Oh wait, that WAS Oakland). But it might work here, too.
Pontius Pirate
03-08-2007, 01:28 AM
Jake will remain one of my favorite players and I cheer him for getting out of being traded like a piece of meat to a team he didn't want to play for, a team that in all likelihood he would have trouble with. If this is seen as "screwing" the Broncos, then screw the Broncos.
Circle Orange
03-08-2007, 08:44 AM
Kubiak: Mike, I don't know. The fans in Houston are starting to call me Head Coach of the Houston Broncos.
Shanahan: Crap. How about if I call Gruden, deal him Plummer. He gets Plummer's rights and screws Al Davis. Then you get a former Buccaneer instead of a former Bronco?
Kubiak: Well, our fans aren't the brightest...
(Oh wait, that WAS Oakland). But it might work here, too.
LOl.
Greasy Al would be so confused he'll start wearing orange polyester...:~ohyah!:
Taco John
03-08-2007, 11:05 AM
Wow. A Jake Plummer thread that lasted for only two pages in a couple of days. The ole boy is losing his grip on this place...
fontaine
03-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Jake will remain one of my favorite players and I cheer him for getting out of being traded like a piece of meat to a team he didn't want to play for, a team that in all likelihood he would have trouble with. If this is seen as "screwing" the Broncos, then screw the Broncos.
How ironic. We got rid of Jake the Fake but are still stuck with his groupies!
ROFL!
Do us all a favor and piss off to http://jakeplummerfoundation.org/
Garcia Bronco
03-08-2007, 11:20 AM
It's actually better for us if Plummer DOES play somewhere else...
True...however he can wait to report after the draft and screw us on pick value. Again. I would have filed papers in court already. Either retire or don't, but make a decision right now.
Jake will remain one of my favorite players and I cheer him for getting out of being traded like a piece of meat to a team he didn't want to play for, a team that in all likelihood he would have trouble with. If this is seen as "screwing" the Broncos, then screw the Broncos.
How is Tampa a team Jake would have had trouble with? When the deal was first made it was Jake and Simms fighting for #1, no Garcia in sight. In that situation he's going to a west coast offense that is even more focused on the short passing game than ours, an ideal fit for Jake. He'd have a top RB in Cadillac Williams, likely will have either Joe Thomas at LT or Calvin Johnson at WR, and a historically solid D. Tampa was a playoff team in '05, one down year, largely due to Simms' poor play, doesn't make them a hell hole to go to.
Jake had his best chance for success by going to Tampa before they signed Garcia. He could have taken over that team and made a pretty solid run in the NFC. He bitched out though because it wasn't a starting job handed to him. Hell of a competitor there.
Steve Prefontaine
03-08-2007, 11:41 AM
Tampa was a playoff team in '05, one down year, largely due to Simms' poor play, doesn't make them a hell hole to go to.
Whoa. Easy there. Don’t try to blame last year on Simms. You trying playing QB with a ruptured spleen! He only played 3 games…and one of those while he should been in the hospital.
Taco John
03-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Jake will remain one of my favorite players and I cheer him for getting out of being traded like a piece of meat to a team he didn't want to play for, a team that in all likelihood he would have trouble with. If this is seen as "screwing" the Broncos, then screw the Broncos.
I can't understand this take. Mostly, because I've never traded meat before. I'm left to wonder who in the hell trades pieces of meat. Apparently someone does.
One thing is certain, Jake would definitely have trouble competing in Tampa Bay. He just doesn't have what it takes to beat out Garcia for a job... And apparently he knows it.
broncosteven
03-08-2007, 11:51 AM
Impossible. Jake's intentions are always completely noble in everything he does.
From his flipping off the fans, to his road rage incident, to his calling a gossip columnist at her house because she was mean to him, to his flat out quitting on the team when we drafted his replacement, good old Jake is the genuine article.
But Jake won so many games for us! We should wish him well. Even if he crapped his pants in ALL THE PLAYOFF games (even NE was ugly) & when faced with competition.
bendog
03-08-2007, 11:51 AM
How is Tampa a team Jake would have had trouble with? When the deal was first made it was Jake and Simms fighting for #1, no Garcia in sight. In that situation he's going to a west coast offense that is even more focused on the short passing game than ours, an ideal fit for Jake. He'd have a top RB in Cadillac Williams, likely will have either Joe Thomas at LT or Calvin Johnson at WR, and a historically solid D. Tampa was a playoff team in '05, one down year, largely due to Simms' poor play, doesn't make them a hell hole to go to.
Jake had his best chance for success by going to Tampa before they signed Garcia. He could have taken over that team and made a pretty solid run in the NFC. He b****ed out though because it wasn't a starting job handed to him. Hell of a competitor there.
Maybe Jake's just smart enough to know he isn't smart enough to make the reads and stay in the pocket on the five step, and Kubes gives him simplied reads and designed roll outs?
Whoa. Easy there. Don’t try to blame last year on Simms. You trying playing QB with a ruptured spleen! He only played 3 games…and one of those while he should been in the hospital.
Simms sucked those three games. The one he got hurt in was by far his best effort!
After killing them for two games and handicapping them in the 3rd he went out for the year, sure, and that just set the non-competitive fire sale in motion. They dumped their best DL, McFarland before the week six deadline, handicapping their D, and were forced to start a scrub like Gradkowski. It partially falls to Gruden for not getting a better backup, but Simms did a good job digging them a hole out of the gate too.
I'm not going to sugar coat a guy sucking ass to start the year just because he ruptured his spleen. He's a mediocre QB at best that Jake would have taken the starting job from in a weekend. Instead Jake went the pussy route.
fontaine
03-08-2007, 12:10 PM
I can't understand this take. Mostly, because I've never traded meat before. I'm left to wonder who in the hell trades pieces of meat. Apparently someone does.
Maybe Pirate is talking prison lingo from experience?
Steve Prefontaine
03-08-2007, 12:11 PM
Simms sucked those three games. The one he got hurt in was by far his best effort!
After killing them for two games and handicapping them in the 3rd he went out for the year, sure, and that just set the non-competitive fire sale in motion. They dumped their best DL, McFarland before the week six deadline, handicapping their D, and were forced to start a scrub like Gradkowski. It partially falls to Gruden for not getting a better backup, but Simms did a good job digging them a hole out of the gate too.
I'm not going to sugar coat a guy sucking ass to start the year just because he ruptured his spleen. He's a mediocre QB at best that Jake would have taken the starting job from in a weekend. Instead Jake went the p***Y route.
Let’s get this straight. I’m not saying Simms is a good quarterback. I’m just saying I think you are way off blaming the Bucs horrible season on Simms. Like I said, he only played 3 games. That’s less than 20% of the season. And in one game he had a ruptured ****ing spleen that he gutted out.
The Bucs offensive line was horrific last year. They couldn’t give the QBs any time or open a hole for Cadillac. Not only that, they were missing 2 starters on the o-line when Simms was playing.
There is plenty of blame to go around for the Bucs, but to place the blame on Simms is just a little off base.
BroncoFiend
03-08-2007, 12:54 PM
I can't understand this take. Mostly, because I've never traded meat before. I'm left to wonder who in the hell trades pieces of meat. Apparently someone does.
One thing is certain, Jake would definitely have trouble competing in Tampa Bay. He just doesn't have what it takes to beat out Garcia for a job... And apparently he knows it.
There is a chance Jake is just being honest with himself. Before training camp he sounded like a confident guy that was okay with having his replacement on the roster, but he just didn't respond well when the time came.
Maybe Jake just knows now that he isn't going to be his best looking over his shoulder.
KipCorrington25
03-08-2007, 12:59 PM
Jake will remain one of my favorite players and I cheer him for getting out of being traded like a piece of meat to a team he didn't want to play for, a team that in all likelihood he would have trouble with. If this is seen as "screwing" the Broncos, then screw the Broncos.
Crying my eyes out for professional athletes who get traded or drafted by teams they don't want to play for is really, really, low on my list of those in the world that have real problems.
Garcia Bronco
03-08-2007, 01:09 PM
**** Jake Plummer. I hope he gets HPV.
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 02:19 PM
How ironic. We got rid of Jake the Fake but are still stuck with his groupies!
ROFL!
Do us all a favor and piss off to http://jakeplummerfoundation.org/
yeah and were stuck with his supporters who flip/flopped and are now out to hang him despite all the games he helped us win. Way to be a classy fan.:D
Garcia Bronco
03-08-2007, 03:04 PM
For me Rigs...this was the straw that broke the Honda Element's back. It's now clear to me that he went into the tank this season in his own self pity and I gave him every benefit. This take my ball and go home, but not really garbage is bunch of crap. I don't have a problem with a man retiring and calling it a career, but that's not what was done here. He said it and hasn't done it.
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 03:15 PM
For me Rigs...this was the straw that broke the Honda Element's back. It's now clear to me that he went into the tank this season in his own self pity and I gave him every benefit. This take my ball and go home, but not really garbage is bunch of crap. I don't have a problem with a man retiring and calling it a career, but that's not what was done here. He said it and hasn't done it.
Can't really expect much from a guy that took you to the AFC championship game only to have your team draft a replacement for you. It's crap. people around here state that he should have handled the pressure but how many have seriously been in that situation?it's obvious that Plummer wants to play for kubes. Maybe he is going about it the wrong way. but the hate from the 'fans' around here acting as if he somehow owes us something is retarted.
-Slap-
03-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Are people out of their mother****ing minds?
I can't believe all this "how would you feel if someone drafted your replecement" bull****.
That's what sports are all about. Its a pure meritocracy. You either get the job done or you get cut or get benched. It happened to most of us when high school or college was over. Except none of us had the option of pulling some wussyass prima donna move like Jake did when he let everybody down last year and stole Bowlen's money.
Kaylore
03-08-2007, 04:20 PM
Can't really expect much from a guy that took you to the AFC championship game only to have your team draft a replacement for you. It's crap. people around here state that he should have handled the pressure but how many have seriously been in that situation?
I've had guys come in to "push" and possibly replace me at work all the time and I don't piss down my leg like a little girl. If you can't handle that kind of competition you don't belong because there's always someone who is trying to take your job.
bronco militia
03-08-2007, 04:29 PM
**** Jake Plummer. I hope he gets HPV.
holy crap!
bwhahahaha!
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 04:31 PM
It's different in this situation because Jake got the job done the previous year. He took us to the freaking AFC championship.Then Shanny instead of addressing the team's real needs goes out and gets another QB.it has nothing with Jake getting benched. It was drafting a qb before the season started. See the difference?
Kaylore
03-08-2007, 04:37 PM
It's different in this situation because Jake got the job done the previous year. He took us to the freaking AFC championship.Then Shanny instead of addressing the team's real needs goes out and gets another QB.it has nothing with Jake getting benched. It was drafting a qb before the season started. See the difference?
Nope. I don't. Cutler was the number 1 player on their board and he fell to them. They jumped on it. When you have a chance to take the best player you do it. And considering how crappy Jake played, even with better talent to throw to, it was a great choice.
Garcia Bronco
03-08-2007, 04:42 PM
I agree.
Taco John
03-08-2007, 05:05 PM
It's different in this situation because Jake got the job done the previous year. He took us to the freaking AFC championship.Then Shanny instead of addressing the team's real needs goes out and gets another QB.it has nothing with Jake getting benched. It was drafting a qb before the season started. See the difference?
Apparently Shanahan thought that the QB position WAS a real need. And based on Jake's play last year, apparently he was right.
Taco John
03-08-2007, 05:08 PM
Nope. I don't. Cutler was the number 1 player on their board and he fell to them. They jumped on it. When you have a chance to take the best player you do it. And considering how crappy Jake played, even with better talent to throw to, it was a great choice.
That's the thing... Cutler didn't fall to the Broncos. Shanahan traded up to make the pick. He wasn't going to risk losing the opportunity to draft a quarterback. It was a priority for Shanahan.
It's different in this situation because Jake got the job done the previous year. He took us to the freaking AFC championship.Then Shanny instead of addressing the team's real needs goes out and gets another QB.it has nothing with Jake getting benched. It was drafting a qb before the season started. See the difference?
So we were supposed to never consider drafting a QB until Jake's run was done because he might get testy?
Sorry, I don't buy that. Shanahan says every single season that he's looking to create strong competition at every position going into camp. Every other guy on the team handles it, but Jake folds like a house of cards as soon as someone better than 7th round pick Bradlee "I don't understand the forward pass" Van Pelt is brought in.
Rod Smith had a good '05, we then went out and traded for Javon Walker. Walker was a pro-bowl veteran but Smith didn't curl up in the fetal position and cry himself to sleep at night. You know who did? Ashley Lelie, Jake's kindred spirit from the '05 Broncos.
Good NFL players respond to challenge. Scrubs cave under it. Drew Brees became the player he is today because he rose to the challenge of holding off Phillip Rivers. We've turned out a host of NFL runners by letting them compete for the starting job. Its the nature of the game, if you want positions handed to you go play in the NBA or MLB where the contracts are guaranteed and a team is stuck with a guy after giving him big money.
Northman
03-08-2007, 05:21 PM
It's different in this situation because Jake got the job done the previous year. He took us to the freaking AFC championship.Then Shanny instead of addressing the team's real needs goes out and gets another QB.it has nothing with Jake getting benched. It was drafting a qb before the season started. See the difference?
And your full of ****. Jay was drafted for the future because we had the opportunity to nab him. And because of that you think its ok for Jake to just give up the whole season and pout because we got a Qb of the future? Thats wonderful. REAL players dont give up and pout because of whats going on off the field. And i dont give a crap if he wants to play for Kubes or not. The Denver Broncos are trying to do whats best for their interests and since that is the team i root for it holds any precedence over what a individual player wants. If you want to ride Jake's coattails into the sunset than be my guest but please take down that avatar because your not worthy enough to be a Broncos fan.
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 05:37 PM
And your full of ****. Jay was drafted for the future because we had the opportunity to nab him. And because of that you think its ok for Jake to just give up the whole season and pout because we got a Qb of the future? Thats wonderful. REAL players dont give up and pout because of whats going on off the field. And i dont give a crap if he wants to play for Kubes or not. The Denver Broncos are trying to do whats best for their interests and since that is the team i root for it holds any precedence over what a individual player wants. If you want to ride Jake's coattails into the sunset than be my guest but please take down that avatar because your not worthy enough to be a Broncos fan.
Easy killer. why must you be an a-hole every time someone doesn't agree with you? So based on your idiotic reasoning you aren't worthy of being a broncos fan because of your avatar?I'm glad we drafted jay. That is not the issue, the issue is you expecting Plummer to come out and play great after the broncos drafting jay a few months removed from the AFC championship.the issue is you expecting plummer to go right along with a trade that benefits the broncos after getting screwed.
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 05:41 PM
Apparently Shanahan thought that the QB position WAS a real need. And based on Jake's play last year, apparently he was right.
I disagree.I think his drafting of Jay and kube's departure affected Jake.But you know what it doesn't matter anymore. The thing that pisses me off is that you guys act like he somehow owes you something and he doesn't.he gave us some wins, let's give him some props and let him go on his way. To another team or retirement.
Tredici
03-08-2007, 05:46 PM
Easy killer. why must you be an a-hole every time someone doesn't agree with you? So based on your idiotic reasoning you aren't worthy of being a broncos fan because of your avatar?I'm glad we drafted jay. That is not the issue, the issue is you expecting Plummer to come out and play great after the broncos drafting jay a few months removed from the AFC championship.the issue is you expecting plummer to go right along with a trade that benefits the broncos after getting screwed.
Why shouldn't anyone expect Plummer to come out and play great after the Broncos drafted Jay a few months removed from the AFC Championship?
Ever think it was his performance in that AFC Championship that prompted getting a QB?
Or maybe losing that game is good enough for you and Jake.
Originally Posted by cutthemdown
the peace corps? classic he can go build huts in <b>ghazinliktistferrerr. </b>
WOW that place is a real sh!thole..
How dare you say that about my mother land.
I am now required by my ancestors homeland traditions to pull the dreaded rippendenuttinberry bush between your legs 7 times or until you recant (Usually happens half way through the first pull)
Northman
03-08-2007, 05:55 PM
Easy killer. why must you be an a-hole every time someone doesn't agree with you? So based on your idiotic reasoning you aren't worthy of being a broncos fan because of your avatar?I'm glad we drafted jay. That is not the issue, the issue is you expecting Plummer to come out and play great after the broncos drafting jay a few months removed from the AFC championship.the issue is you expecting plummer to go right along with a trade that benefits the broncos after getting screwed.
No. I dont have a issue that Jake doesnt go along with the trade. I have issue because he says he is going to retire yet has failed to do so. But, the Broncos have already handled that issue so it is a mute point now. And yes, Jake should have played better after us drafting a Qb for the Franchise's future. If he was a real competitor it should have been a non issue for him. Jake was our starter regardless of who we drafted so all he had to do was keep playing like he had the year before. But, he failed to do so and thus was benched based upon his performance, nothing else. As a franchise the Denver Broncos must do all they can to get the best possible players to play for them. Denver had a opportunity in the draft last year to get a player for the future. Many on here hoped Jay wouldnt have to start for at least 3 years. But some of us knew Jake would implode and now you guys are pissed because we were right. In the end, i want whats best for the Denver Broncos, not Jake Plummer so yes if it screws Jake in the process so be it. Im not a individual player fan, im a Denver Broncos fan and the team comes first no matter the cost.
The team is bigger than the individual. And i know, before you start with " what if that happened to John " defense it doesnt work here. John never quit because of who we drafted year in and year out. He never quit when people booed him in the stadium. Before this whole trade thing, before last year i thought Jake was a competitor, i thought he was a leader. But alas, he is not and when the chips were down he simply gave up. And just like Lelie i dont want those kind of players on the Denver Broncos. When Jake first came here i was hoping he would be the missing piece but i was afraid he would also be the inconsistent player he had been in Az. Well, we know what the final verdict was and its disappointing to say the least. But as with all NFL teams the Broncos need to move on with a new leader. And if down the road Cutler bombs like Jake than he too will be demoted or moved out of town. Personally, i dont see that happening but i also thought Griese would be a good Qb for us at one point also.
Northman
03-08-2007, 06:01 PM
I disagree.I think his drafting of Jay and kube's departure affected Jake.But you know what it doesn't matter anymore. The thing that pisses me off is that you guys act like he somehow owes you something and he doesn't.he gave us some wins, let's give him some props and let him go on his way. To another team or retirement.
We tried to put him on another team. With a Super Bowl winning coach no less. And what happened? He was afraid to compete for a job? And you call that a competitor? Jake wasnt in a position to choose where he wanted to go. You keep saying he doesnt owe the Broncos anything, but Denver doesnt owe him anything either. He was brought here and paid very well to do a job. And then when he half asses it after a good year you seem to think that is ok and make excuses for him? Give me a break. In the end football is a business, nobody owes anyone anything. If Kubes wanted Jake so bad than he would have worked out a trade with Denver. How do you feel about Carr Rigs? Do you think Carr got a raw deal knowing that Kubes was trying to trade him away and now is stuck keeping him because Jake fell through? Do you feel sorry for Carr? Carr gave everything to Houston to try and make it work and he had it worse off than Jake did in Denver.
Rigs11
03-08-2007, 06:33 PM
We tried to put him on another team. With a Super Bowl winning coach no less. And what happened? He was afraid to compete for a job? And you call that a competitor? Jake wasnt in a position to choose where he wanted to go. You keep saying he doesnt owe the Broncos anything, but Denver doesnt owe him anything either. He was brought here and paid very well to do a job. And then when he half asses it after a good year you seem to think that is ok and make excuses for him? Give me a break. In the end football is a business, nobody owes anyone anything. If Kubes wanted Jake so bad than he would have worked out a trade with Denver. How do you feel about Carr Rigs? Do you think Carr got a raw deal knowing that Kubes was trying to trade him away and now is stuck keeping him because Jake fell through? Do you feel sorry for Carr? Carr gave everything to Houston to try and make it work and he had it worse off than Jake did in Denver.Carr didn't help the texans to the AFC championship.Carr didn't paly for the broncos.Again i am not excusing plummer's play just giving some opinions as to why.I think the fans and plummer owe each other thanks, unfortunately all i hear on this board is bashing.
Northman
03-08-2007, 06:40 PM
Carr didn't help the texans to the AFC championship.Carr didn't paly for the broncos.Again i am not excusing plummer's play just giving some opinions as to why.I think the fans and plummer owe each other thanks, unfortunately all i hear on this board is bashing.
I understand your point but disagree with how your viewing it. I think people are more pissed how Jake is handling his retirement rather than just hating the guy. Most people would have bid him farewell without much to say but because Jake wants to play games people will get riled up. People are angry because they want whats best for their team. This isnt just Jake this reaction would happen with any player who messes with the best interests of Denver Broncos.
Taco John
03-08-2007, 08:39 PM
I disagree.I think his drafting of Jay and kube's departure affected Jake.But you know what it doesn't matter anymore. The thing that pisses me off is that you guys act like he somehow owes you something and he doesn't.he gave us some wins, let's give him some props and let him go on his way. To another team or retirement.
I don't act like he owes me anything... Hell, the only thing I want from Jake is to see a set of these:
http://www.ronusa.com/auctions/images/aries/ElementTail1.jpg
That said, he does owe the Broncos something, considering how much they paid him. There are rules and guidelines that are well established that determine exactly what it is that he owes the Broncos. Retiring isn't going to get him out of any obligations. It's just going to make the situation untenable and worse for him.
What he should be doing is thanking Shanahan for saving his career. He'd probably be out of hte league by now if he'd have taken the job with the Bears.
atomicbloke
03-08-2007, 08:52 PM
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What he should be doing is thanking Shanahan for saving his career.
Why do people always bring this point up?
AFAIK, Plummer had 6 rocky years with the Cards who were a terrible team. Shanny was in a bind because Griesball played his way out of town. He needed a half-decent QB who could run his team. Jake needed a team who would let him start. Hence, Shanny and Jake got married to satisfy a mutual need.
It's not that Shanny rescued Jake out of the goodness of his heart in an act of charitable magnanimity and hence Jake now owes one.
It just was the best options for both parties at that time. As better options opened up later for both sides, they moved on.
atomicbloke
03-09-2007, 02:53 AM
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/archives/2007/03/spring_training_sketchbook_200.html
Hilarious! :rofl:
fontaine
03-09-2007, 07:41 AM
yeah and were stuck with his supporters who flip/flopped and are now out to hang him despite all the games he helped us win. Way to be a classy fan.:D
What like Plummer flip/flopped?
:wiggle:
BroncoBuff
03-09-2007, 08:15 AM
So we were supposed to never consider drafting a QB until Jake's run was done because he might get testy?
Sorry, I don't buy that. Shanahan says every single season that he's looking to create strong competition at every position going into camp. Every other guy on the team handles it, but Jake folds like a house of cards as soon as someone better than 7th round pick Bradlee "I don't understand the forward pass" Van Pelt is brought in.
Rod Smith had a good '05, we then went out and traded for Javon Walker. Walker was a pro-bowl veteran but Smith didn't curl up in the fetal position and cry himself to sleep at night. You know who did? Ashley Lelie, Jake's kindred spirit from the '05 Broncos.
Good NFL players respond to challenge. Scrubs cave under it. Drew Brees became the player he is today because he rose to the challenge of holding off Phillip Rivers. We've turned out a host of NFL runners by letting them compete for the starting job. Its the nature of the game, if you want positions handed to you go play in the NBA or MLB where the contracts are guaranteed and a team is stuck with a guy after giving him big money.
Excelent post, sir :thumbsup:
Garcia Bronco
03-09-2007, 10:55 AM
Jake Plummer obviously has maturity issues. This is most evident by what he did in his ****ty Honda last April.
Rigs11
03-09-2007, 11:52 AM
Jake Plummer obviously has maturity issues. This is most evident by what he did in his ****ty Honda last April.
Talk about being mature. Bashing him for what he does off the field and even bashing his car? Hilarious! You've sunken to new lows....
broncosteven
03-09-2007, 12:11 PM
So we were supposed to never consider drafting a QB until Jake's run was done because he might get testy?
Sorry, I don't buy that. Shanahan says every single season that he's looking to create strong competition at every position going into camp. Every other guy on the team handles it, but Jake folds like a house of cards as soon as someone better than 7th round pick Bradlee "I don't understand the forward pass" Van Pelt is brought in.
Rod Smith had a good '05, we then went out and traded for Javon Walker. Walker was a pro-bowl veteran but Smith didn't curl up in the fetal position and cry himself to sleep at night. You know who did? Ashley Lelie, Jake's kindred spirit from the '05 Broncos.
Good NFL players respond to challenge. Scrubs cave under it. Drew Brees became the player he is today because he rose to the challenge of holding off Phillip Rivers. We've turned out a host of NFL runners by letting them compete for the starting job. Its the nature of the game, if you want positions handed to you go play in the NBA or MLB where the contracts are guaranteed and a team is stuck with a guy after giving him big money.
Poor Jake could not take the heat so he got out of the NFL kitchen.
Garcia Bronco
03-09-2007, 12:15 PM
Talk about being mature. Bashing him for what he does off the field and even bashing his car? Hilarious! You've sunken to new lows....
I don't think you understand what he did and when he did it. Which wouldn't be a surprise. And it is a ****ty vehicle.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-09-2007, 12:17 PM
You guys whining about Plummer sound like a 14 year old girl who has been dumped by her boyfriend. It's history - let it go.
Jake Plummer obviously has maturity issues. This is most evident by what he did in his ****ty Honda last April.
Wonder if he has ever tossed his lap top out the window? ;D
You guys whining about Plummer sound like a 14 year old girl who has been dumped by her boyfriend. It's history - let it go.
I let Plummer go after the second chefs game last season.
I'm just annoyed that his antics have cost us the 3rd pick in the 4th round.
Rigs11
03-09-2007, 12:59 PM
I don't think you understand what he did and when he did it. Which wouldn't be a surprise. And it is a ****ty vehicle.
I know what he did. Who gives a fVck?What do you drive?
bronco militia
03-09-2007, 01:11 PM
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