WaPo: Redskins Target Broncos' Bly

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I started a new thread not because it stated what it seems we already knew, but because of another Broncos player that is mentioned in the trade rumors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html

Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

and this where what little credibility I gave JLC goes out the window. 3 picks and Wilson for the 6th? Whatever.

[SoCalBronco]

I really really really really hope we didnt make that offer.

I hope you are right Herc about this guy's credibility.

[theAPAOps5]

I really am getting uneasy with all this talk of Shopping Al Wilson. He is the heart of the defense and I am sure all this talk will not sit well with him.

[jebures]

I started a new thread not because it stated what it seems we already knew, but because of another Broncos player that is mentioned in the trade rumors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html



and this where what little credibility I gave JLC goes out the window. 3 picks and Wilson for the 6th? Whatever.


If that happened I would personally drive to dove valley and kick sundquist and shanny in the testicles

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I really really really really hope we didnt make that offer.

I hope you are right Herc about this guy's credibility.

He used to the be the Caps' beat writer. I wasn't too impressed with him as someone who didn't live there, I know the locals thought he was lazy and didn't really do ****.

[Rascal]

Heard on another board that NO offered us a fourth, but we said no. Apparently they are going to offer their second. If that is true, then see ya later Bly.

[ward63]

Heard on another board that NO offered us a fourth, but we said no. Apparently they are going to offer their second. If that is true, then see ya later Bly.

Rascal, if that's true about the 2nd round pick, I'm right there w/ya man.

[jebures]

Heard on another board that NO offered us a fourth, but we said no. Apparently they are going to offer their second. If that is true, then see ya later Bly.

what board was that rascal?

[SoCalBronco]

Heard on another board that NO offered us a fourth, but we said no. Apparently they are going to offer their second. If that is true, then see ya later Bly.

I just came.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Someone on FootballsFuture said they were going to offer a 2nd.

[jebures]

I just came.

me too, twice, is that physically possible? I pulled a Jim off of American Pie

[SoDak Bronco]

i think we are going to work out a deal to keep bly..denver wouldn't have traded two former starters for a guy they don't want to keep around. bly is going to be a bronco next year.

[Rascal]

LOL @ Socal.

I'm not opposed to dealing Bly for a good draft pick, and I'm not opposed to dealing Wilson either. While he is a fan favorite, the fact is that Wilson is getting old and his shoulders are shot. Plus the coaches were not happy with the LB play last year in particular WIlson and Gold. I doubt there is a market for Gold (damn it), but there is obviously one for Wilson. If we can get a good pick for Wilson I wouldn't mind moving him.

Plus, and Slap will love this, the Broncos are apparently enamoured with Patrick Willis, and I can easily see us moving around to get him and get a d-line as well (which will be really easy if we get a second for Bly and something else for Wilson).

[watermock]

Premature ejaculation...Wash doesn't even a 2n'd to my knowledge.

[Popps]

Pretty funny how quickly the luster is wearing off of Bly around here. Absolutely no surprise to me. He's always been a me-guy with an over-inflated sense of self worth. He can play a little... but isn't worth the trouble.

Here are a few pulls from a Lion's blog when I googled Bly's name...

Good riddance to Bly. He was a cancer in Detroit....ask JH. His attitude and mouth surpassed any remaining talent he had and it's best for both parties that he move on.

Dre wants to be traded, that's rich. If he could cover a reciever half as good as he runs his mouth he still would only be twenty five percent as good as he thinks he is. He's old, past his prime, and quickly losing not only his first but possibly his second step, give us a third round pick and some Excedrin migraine for the headache.

Now, it's only a couple of people... but when fans throw around words like "cancer" about their own players, there might be a little something to it.

Ship his ass out of Denver. **** 'em.

[theAPAOps5]

No I don't think he will be here. Especially with what Wabbit said about him popping off about not wanting to play here at all. Great Poetic justice would be to ship him off to New Orleans. He is just that much further away from his payday in Washington.

[Rascal]

Yeah the same board herc.

Mock it would be NO's second rounder, not Washingtons.

[footstepsfrom#27]

i think we are going to work out a deal to keep bly..denver wouldn't have traded two former starters for a guy they don't want to keep around. bly is going to be a bronco next year.
The key word being "former"...Georgina was going to get cut or dumped for a late round pick anyway, and Bell got replaced without giving up a pick. I wouldn't mind seeing Bly leveraged for a move to #6 at all but there's no way the same guy who orechestrated such a brilliant move up in last year's draft to get Cutler will give the Skins Wilson, and our top 3 picks, or even Bly and our top 3 picks to do it. IF a trade was discussed earlier it was probably with the idea of us getting AD in the process...a move I can't see now that Henry's here.

[Clockwork Orange]

As for the trade discussed in the initial post in this thread, does that Washington writer think that Dan Snyder runs the Broncos or something? Sorry, but they can keep the 6th overall pick if they think it's worth #21, a 2nd & 3rd and Al Wilson. That's just insane.

If New Orleans offers a 2nd rounder for Bly, take it and run.

[Requiem]

I just came.

Me too, seriously SoCal and I are talking draft on AIM right now and I'm pretty sure I've changed my pants 9 times right now.

I'll get on cam and do a Jets kid video with it too and talk about the possibilities.

I have my big Broncos flag behind me.


let's do this!

[epicSocialism4tw]

That's just an awful trade if I've ever seen one.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

So that would be Foster, Bell, and a 5th for a late 2nd, (no. 58) and an early 6th. Ehh.

[SoCalBronco]

Me too, seriously SoCal and I are talking draft on AIM right now and I'm pretty sure I've changed my pants 9 times right now.

I'll get on cam and do a Jets kid video with it too and talk about the possibilities.

I have my big Broncos flag behind me.


let's do this!

LOL

[Requiem]

No I'm serious. You don't even know how good it would be if we got a second-rounder, hell even 3rd rounder for Bly.

**** him. I wasn't ever big on him anyways.

#21
#56
#58 (for bly)
#70
#86

Keep the first four selection and trade #86 to San Francisco for a couple of their fourths and have a decent day two as well. Couldn't hurt.

Seriously, **** Dre Bly. You know what? Seriously.

The possibilities are endless.

[Requiem]

Dre Bly and the rights to Patrick Ewing for Sean Taylor and the Redskins 2008 first-rounder.

[Clockwork Orange]

So that would be Foster, Bell, and a 5th for a late 2nd, (no. 58) and an early 6th. Ehh.

Two guys who had fallen out of favor, one of whom (Foster) there was talk about being outright released, and a late 5th for a late 2nd & early 6th.

That works for me.

[Jens1893]

Any educated guesses on what Al Wilson would catch and what the cap ramifications would be?

[RunSilentRunDeep]

No I'm serious. You don't even know how good it would be if we got a second-rounder, hell even 3rd rounder for Bly.

**** him. I wasn't ever big on him anyways.

#21
#56
#58 (for bly)
#70
#86

Keep the first four selection and trade #86 to San Francisco for a couple of their fourths and have a decent day two as well. Couldn't hurt.

Seriously, **** Dre Bly. You know what? Seriously.

The possibilities are endless.

If they do it you'd think they would package picks and move up to get one or two guys. I just don't see that many roster spots open for a big draft class.

Anyone know what the cap hit would be from trading Wilson?

[NFLBRONCO]

Bates is the new guy with players he didn't pick isn't that reason enough to think one of our starters at LB could be part of a trade package I do.

[SoCalBronco]

Any educated guesses on what Al Wilson would catch and what the cap ramifications would be?

I think he recieved a 12 million bonus on a 7 year deal. He's three years into it, so the remaining unamortized bonus is around 7 million, thats alot to hit the cap, even if its spread over two years. Maybe he has restructured too I dunno that might change it.

Herc?

[broncolife]

Dre Bly and the rights to Patrick Ewing for Sean Taylor and the Redskins 2008 first-rounder.
You want Sean Taylor? He has rep of being a punter beater. OOOOOh I see, goodbye Ernster.:)

[Rascal]

What is reasonable for Wilson?

Wilson and Bly?

[Requiem]

If they do it you'd think they would package picks and move up to get one or two guys. I just don't see that many roster spots open for a big draft class.

Anyone know what the cap hit would be from trading Wilson?

If it were me or SoCal, keep all the picks, hell - I'd trade our late third to SF for two-fourths and have fun there so we have something to do on day two.

If it's the Broncos, they'll probably end up packaging picks, but if we get any decent value for Bly, take it.

Hard to imagine us getting another PLAYER in a trade with Henry and Graham getting $.

[Requiem]

Also on Bly. . .

I say we get rid of him because his first and last name are only six letters combined. Seriously, how lucky did he get filling out his SAT/ACT?

[Requiem]

Then again he has that mark over his E, so maybe it was tougher than I thought.

Holy****, I'm starting to post like Mock.

Is this what being not sober is like.

[SoCalBronco]

There's alot of smoke on Wilson, he is being mentioned too much in these papers. I wonder what is going on if that is legit, either they want DJ at MLB, or we really like Willis.

[Broncobiv]

Holy****, I'm starting to post like Mock.

Is this what being not sober is like.
Fun, isn't it?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think he recieved a 12 million bonus on a 7 year deal. He's three years into it, so the remaining unamortized bonus is around 7 million, thats alot to hit the cap, even if its spread over two years. Maybe he has restructured too I dunno that might change it.

Herc?

IIRC it was $11M, split up with $6M the first year and then $5M the 2nd year and signed in '04. Both bonuses would have been prorated at $1M per year. That would mean $5M has been amortized, and $6M remains. His cap number is at $7.2M this season, so it looks like we've reached a point where there are savings.

I need the USA Today link to look and try to be more accurate, but that's a general guess going off of my memory.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

IIRC it was $11M, split up with $6M the first year and then $5M the 2nd year and signed in '04. Both bonuses would have been prorated at $1M per year. That would mean $5M has been amortized, and $6M remains. His cap number is at $7.2M this season, so it looks like we've reached a point where there are savings.

I need the USA Today link to look and try to be more accurate, but that's a general guess going off of my memory.

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?team=9&year=2005

[-Slap-]

Plus the coaches were not happy with the LB play last year in particular WIlson and Gold. I doubt there is a market for Gold (damn it), but there is obviously one for Wilson. If we can get a good pick for Wilson I wouldn't mind moving him.

Plus, and Slap will love this, the Broncos are apparently enamoured with Patrick Willis, and I can easily see us moving around to get him and get a d-line as well (which will be really easy if we get a second for Bly and something else for Wilson).

Everyone would love him. He would become the third most popluar Bronco in about two years time.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?team=9&year=2005

Thank you.

It was $6.5M and then $5M. Doesn't really change the guestimate that much.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm with SoCalBronco on this one...Where there is smoke, there is fire. Wilson's value will probably never be higher than it is right now. He's an older guy, bad shoulders, even though he is the defensive captain. Not sure what they plan to do though if they trade him. I'm still not so quick to unload Bly though. First off, the media might be blowing his distaste out of proportion and second, he hasnt even been to dove valley yet. The idea of pairing him with Bailey is dangerous and would allow the defense to keep them both on islands. Finding good corners is arguably the hardest thing to do in personnel and you guys just want to throw that away for a late second rounder...i dunno, i wanna see him in a broncos uni.

[broncolife]

So what do you guys think is Al Wilson value? Even though I think hes overated, I see maybe a late first or a early second rnd pick.

[watermock]

He is worth a third rounder.

[Jens1893]

So what do you guys think is Al Wilson value? Even though I think hes overated, I see maybe a late first or a early second rnd pick.

Mid/late second is what I´d be hoping for. And I think that´s optmistic.

[maven]

So what do you guys think is Al Wilson value? Even though I think hes overated, I see maybe a late first or a early second rnd pick.

3rd round selection.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

wow, his value sure has dropped

[SoCalBronco]

I'm with SoCalBronco on this one...Where there is smoke, there is fire. Wilson's value will probably never be higher than it is right now. .

I don't want Al dealt. Sure he has miles on him and the tackling wasnt awesome this year but he is still a huge beast and a great leader. But it does seem that there is a little too much going in, in terms of his name being thrown around in rumors, so it is a bit interesting as to what the team's plan is.

[DomCasual]

He used to the be the Caps' beat writer. I wasn't too impressed with him as someone who didn't live there, I know the locals thought he was lazy and didn't really do ****.

Gosh, that sounds like a local beat writer in Denver.

[BroncoBuff]

I really am getting uneasy with all this talk of Shopping Al Wilson. He is the heart of the defense and I am sure all this talk will not sit well with him.
He is a very good player, yes. But recently I've been emboldened by the mood on the board to voice my overall displeasure with Al - something I wouldda never done before.

To wit: Al Wilson visibly and dramatically pointing out a teammate's mistake on the field while Marvin Harrison got up under his nose and ran in for a touchdown was the perhaps the worst thing I've ever seen any player do (before Haynesworth). Leon Lett was just an idiot ... but Al did it on purpose. And I've never liked him since.

[ZONA]

I believe that Washinton article said Denver's 1st, Al Wilson, Denver's 3rd................and POSSIBLY a 2nd. More then likely that's not the case. I could see that deal going through if the 2nd were not included. Matter of fact, I'd do it.

[Barry Ramey]

But why would the Saints want Bly if he wouldn't be any happier there since he supposedly wants to play with the Skins? Or would be happier with the Saints if they gave him an extension, basically making this talk of the Skins a bunch of BS and all about the money?

[Needa Pass Rush]

Redskins Target Broncos' Bly
Club Creates Cap Room by Restructuring Additional Contracts


By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; E04

The Washington Redskins, after netting linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Fred Smoot, their primary free agent targets, are poised to acquire cornerback Dre' Bly from the Denver Broncos.
The Redskins were $8.4 million under the cap yesterday before re-signing reserve cornerback Ade Jimoh, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
The Redskins completed another sweeping series of contract restructurings to create the cap room, according to sources -- only two new contracts have been announced by the team thus far -- and remain interested in Bly. Washington attempted to get him from Detroit before he was traded to the Broncos.
The Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension during trade talks, numerous NFL sources said, while Denver has been unwilling to compensate him beyond the $4.2 million base salary he has for 2007.
Bly has told numerous past and present teammates of his desire to play for Washington, and several NFL sources believe the Broncos are willing to part with him. Denver was scheduled to have free agent cornerback David Macklin visit yesterday.
The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).
Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.
The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month, the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.
Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.
Given Washington's cap standing, and the fact the team could create an addition $4 million in space by cutting injured place kicker John Hall and reserve defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn, absorbing Spring's cap charge would not be prohibitive.
The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend, the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.
Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.
Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.
Redskins Notes: Free agent offensive lineman Luke Petitgout, who visited Washington on Monday, agreed to a three-year deal with Tampa Bay yesterday.
The Redskins have been in contact with free agent guard Adam Timmerman, his agent said, and although some in the organization believe the 35-year-old may be beyond his productive stage, he remains a possibility to replace departed Derrick Dockery.
"We've had some discussions and we're waiting to hear back from them," said Timmerman's agent, Mark Bartelstein. The Redskins have also had limited discussions with free agent lineman Sean Mahan, his agent said, but no visits were planned and the player is traveling to other clubs. Veterans Ruben Brown and Cosey Coleman are other starting guards on the market . . .
Smoot's deal is actually worth a maximum of $21 million over five years and not $25 million, as previously reported, according to sources. Smoot received $7 million to sign and the deal is essentially worth $11.5 million over three years. . . . Safety Vernon Fox received a $300,000 signing bonus as part of the three-year deal he received over the weekend, sources said, and will earn the veteran minimum in base salary.
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[MechanicalBull]

I'd like it if Bly wanted to play here and signed an extension, but if he doesn't and they can get a 2nd for him then Sold, Thank You Come Again.

http://home.cinci.rr.com/daystuff/apu.jpg

[i4jelway7]

as I posted in the other Bly thread

f*** Bly... Shanny get a deal done w/ the skins.. you would think they would be getting tired of getting raped by us but oh well... give him what he wants send his sorry ass to Washington.. see how he really likes it... hey d*ckhead ask Champ what it was like playin for washington.. champ HATED it.. ask him how glad he was to come to DENVER... all this tells me is what I already knew about Dre' he is all about the dollars and he is simply playing for the money the best thing we can do for him is send him to Washington... see ya Mr. Dre' Fly--away.. send him synders way let him overpay... I'm comfortable w/ Nique playing opposite Champ..

Bly is a cancer, if he doesn't want to be here then send him on his gd way! Kick rocks Mcfly
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[Rascal]

Every indication we at the paper have received, including from Bailey, is that Bly, is ready to play for Denver. The Redskins are near his hometown so that would always be a player's first choice.

If he were that upset he would have informed his agent about his potential displeasure about going to Denver long before the trade was completed. Teams almost always keep players and their agents in the loop when trade talks are on, especially in the offseason.

Especially since it was Bly's agent who had pressed the Lions to allow him to seek trading partners in the first place. He didn't ask the Lions if he could simply ask the Redskins about a trade, he asked the Lions if he could secure any trading partner.

So Bly knew it was possible he could end up anywhere and would have known long before the trade with Denver he wasn't heading to Washington.

And as far as the Redskins reportedly now trying to trade Shawn Springs for Bly, it would seem if the Broncos really wanted Springs they would have simply made a trade with the Redskins themselves to do that. Especially since they've made three major trades with the Redskins over the past few years.

The Broncos wanted Bly and their intent right now is to have him play for them.

As far as a contract extension, the Broncos let Gerard Warren play out his contract year after they traded for him and Warren had his best all-around season in the NFL. At the moment I would think the Broncos want to see Bly play and practice for themselves before offering up an extension.

But their history shows they will step up with a competitive deal if they like what they see from the player.

[bloodsunday]

Looks like something is going to happen here if you ask me.

There is too much here to be all smoke and no fire. Denver is selling this deal hard if you ask me -- having Bates come out yesterday and say that Bly will "warm up to Denver". They are just trying to make the Redskins and Bly more desperate to make this deal. If Denver really wanted Bly, they would give him a contract extension. Denver is not exactly frugle when it comes to paying players. They acquired Bly as an asset in hopes to get the #6 pick in the draft.

[55CrushEm]

IIRC it was $11M, split up with $6M the first year and then $5M the 2nd year and signed in '04. Both bonuses would have been prorated at $1M per year. That would mean $5M has been amortized, and $6M remains. His cap number is at $7.2M this season, so it looks like we've reached a point where there are savings.

I need the USA Today link to look and try to be more accurate, but that's a general guess going off of my memory.

But oddly enough, Wilson's salary (and cap #) will go down next year....his remaining base salaries are as follows.....

2007 5,200,000
2008 3,650,000
2009 5,150,000
2010 6,800,000

In 2008 and 2009 his cap & salary will be less than this year.......for that reason alone, I say Wilson sticks around.....especially with the overall cap limint increasing each year......perhaps before the 2010 season he will go/restructure.

[OrangeShadow]

Isnt anyone a little skeptical that almost all the "reported rumours" are coming from the washington post?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Isnt anyone a little skeptical that almost all the "reported rumours" are coming from the washington post?

Yes, but at the same time the Post said last weekend that several teams had inquired about Wilson's availability.

[fontaine]

Hey we don't have to do anything with Bly.

He's under contract and the team can easily carry his $4.2million cap charge.

I think they're adopting the best approach which is wait and see.

[ND Bronco Fan]

Isnt anyone a little skeptical that almost all the "reported rumours" are coming from the washington post?

Not really cuz the Post has done nothing close to real investigative reporting for a while-all they do is write the articles after the fact.

[OrangeShadow]

just seems odd that all the ruomours are coming from the same paper. Maybe im making something out of nothing, who knows.

[maven]

"Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million."

One step closeer to making a deal for Dre' Bly.

[broncswin]

First off, I think Shanny had a plan all along with Bly and trading him for value. He got rid of a POS of a gaurd and an overrated fumbler. Now he has a guy, that one team who is known to overspend wants. I like where we are sitting with the Bly deal right now. As for Wilson, I love the guy, but his career started a slight decline this year and will only get steeper. This is a business, and I think it is time to say goodbye big fella. If we can get a second for him then I say do it. We got the best out of Wilson and now before his value goes to crap we better take the best #2 and run. I really believe Wilson is gone. DJ, strap it on because you just might be our new middle linebacker and that has me excited.

[RaiderH8r]

He is a very good player, yes. But recently I've been emboldened by the mood on the board to voice my overall displeasure with Al - something I wouldda never done before.

To wit: Al Wilson visibly and dramatically pointing out a teammate's mistake on the field while Marvin Harrison got up under his nose and ran in for a touchdown was the perhaps the worst thing I've ever seen any player do (before Haynesworth). Leon Lett was just an idiot ... but Al did it on purpose. And I've never liked him since.

And he's never done anything like that since. The guy plays lights out every game, he's the only one who consistantly plays like he gives a sh!t. He gives his all on every play and I'll take a guy like that any day over the "talent" of the Randy Mosses of the world. He plays three times his size and we've finally started surrounding him with guys of like character. Character and Class will win more games than talent alone. All these guys have talent, it's the character that separates the good from the great.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

When do the Redskins get busted for tampering?

[fontaine]

Al didn't play against the 49ers and Frank Gore rammed it straight through the middle.

If we had a capable replacemant then maybe. But our run defense, especially in the interior, would be soft as cheese without Al.

Who do you think will stop them? Dan Wilkinson? :giggle:

He's in offseason conditioning mode right now, aboard a cruise ship. Anyone who advocates that we trade Wilson better come up with real alternatives at MLB (and I'm not talking about DJ at MLB because then you would have another gaping hole at OLB) or hush up.

[Drek]

If we trade Al we better draft Patrick Willis or trade for Vilma, thats all I'm saying on that subject.

[Steve Sewell]

as I posted in the other Bly thread

**** Bly... Shanny get a deal done w/ the skins.. you would think they would be getting tired of getting raped by us but oh well... give him what he wants send his sorry ass to Washington.. see how he really likes it... hey d*ckhead ask Champ what it was like playin for washington.. champ HATED it.. ask him how glad he was to come to DENVER... all this tells me is what I already knew about Dre' he is all about the dollars and he is simply playing for the money the best thing we can do for him is send him to Washington... see ya Mr. Dre' Fly--away.. send him synders way let him overpay... I'm comfortable w/ Nique playing opposite Champ..

Bly is a cancer, if he doesn't want to be here then send him on his gd way! Kick rocks Mcfly
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EVERYONE is playing for the money. If you told me I was traded an would play for Denver for a one year commitment of $4.2 mil (and nothing beyond that), when I had a chance to go somewhere else where I'd be handed an $18 million check when I signed a 5 or 6 year commitment, I would be LIVID!

Get some perspective people! You'd all do the same exact thing as Bly in this situation.

[Broncoman13]

I don't like the idea of trading Al Wilson and not being in position to draft Patrick Willis. He won't last to 21 and 6 is way to high for him.

Perhaps we work out a deal where we send their 3rd, Wilson and Bly to the Skins for their #6. I know it sounds like a lot, but considering Bly is worth a high 2nd or low 3rd and Wilson about the same, I think the #'s work rather well. Then, with #6 we either get a shot at Calvin Johnson or trade down 5 or 10 spots so someone can move up for Quinn or even Russell. #6 to #11 would net us a 2nd round pick right in the middle of the 2nd round. #11 then would be used to select Patrick Willis (who will likely go a few picks later if the Broncos don't take him). Still having #21 we could go BADL. I personally don't think he'll fall this far, but there is talk of Okoye falling to the 20's. Moss, Johnson, Spencer could also be available at 21. But, we could just as easily go with Reggie Nelson at 21. Then with that mid 2nd round pick you could go after Crowder,Spencer,Johnson, Francis, or whoever falls to #43. Last but not least, you use our own 2nd round pick on Marcus Thomas. Risky, sure... but he's a top 15 talent and nobody will question that. Character issues aside, he's an outstanding football player at a bigtime need position.

So, potentially, we would part with Al Wilson and Dre Bly and be a 3rd round draft pick lighter.

We would gain #6 and keep #21 and 53.

We would then parlay #6 into #11 and #43. (could be 10 and 42, could be 12 and 44, you get the idea)

So, we have #11, #21, #43, and #53.

That then turns into Patrick Willis, Reggie Nelson, Tim Crowder, and Marcus Thomas.

Why this wouldn't work? Unlikely the Skins want Al Wilson at all, especially not that they have London. That would require us sending Al Wilson somewhere else. I don't think sending him to the Lions for their 2nd is out of the question though we may have to sweeten the pot.

This also wouldn't work b/c I don't think we could absorb Wilson's cap hit and have the ability to pay 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders!

But, it's nice to dream.

[baja]

I just hope Al doesn't lurk here