Broncos-Redskins Trade Rumour Sirus Radio 2hr ago

[eddie mac]

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=87934&page=1&pp=15

The poster stated he heard it on Sirus radio and the deal was.

Denver sends Bly, 21 and 56 to Washington for 6 and Springs.

Make of it what you may but given Shanahan and the Skins deal-making history quite frankly anything's possible.

[Wes Mantooth]

Holy crap. All I can say is wow.

[DomCasual]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, Daniel Snyder must be involved.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Ehh. . ., not really enamoured with the 6th pick. If they could move down to around 10-12 and pick up a 2nd back up, I'd be all for that.

Okoye's not an option anymore with Bates' desire for big DTs. Branch appears to have dropped to where he's not worth a pick that high. Anderson or Adams would be cool, but I'd probably rather have Carriker, Johnson, or Moss and 2nd round S.

[Rascal]

I honestly don't know about this.

[RhymesayersDU]

Holy crap. All I can say is wow.

^

[ludo21]

i cant believe that till its for real.

that is just too much of a rape to be true

[clint7]

Then they'd draft a CB at #6.

[ro_50]

Well Washington does want more picks and no doubt wants Bly, but would this work money wise w/ Spring's contract? Sorry I am not a salary cap expert by any means.

[nickademus]

I dont know about Springs I mean doesnt that mean we are just expecting Foxworth to play 60% of the snaps next year? Seriously how much time has this guy missed? I like the #6 pick because we could use a great DE/DT but If we do this I think we need to find another 2nd out there because we have more than one hole to fill and this seams to defeat that purpose.

[vancejohnson82]

yeah, that would just be ridiculously in favor of us

but then again, it is Snyder.....and Shanahan could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves

"Ketchup popsicle, Richard?" ------ RIP Chris Farley

[SoonerBronco]

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=87934&page=1&pp=15

The poster stated he heard it on Sirus radio and the deal was.

Denver sends Bly, 21 and 56 to Washington for 6 and Springs.

Make of it what you may but given Shanahan and the Skins deal-making history quite frankly anything's possible.

The way Shanny praised Foxworth in his post season presser made me wonder if his intentions were getting Bly to trade in the first place...

If that went down, who are we targeting at six?? Branch???

[crowebomber]

I like that #6 but really don't see how Springs - a ten year vet with one int each of the past two years - helps us. Foxworth is better and although Springs is better than the nickel options we have, it's not by much. It wouldn't surprise me if Paymah beat him out for the nickel job.

I know there are some stud DEs that will go in top ten, but the draft is always a gamble. And is that gamble worth 21, 56 and Bly? I just don't think so.

It would be exciting to get into that 6th slot, but I think we would be better off staying at 21 and keeping our 2nd round choice and Bly.

[fontaine]

Well Washington does want more picks and no doubt wants Bly, but would this work money wise w/ Spring's contract? Sorry I am not a salary cap expert by any means.

Springs carries a $7.5 million cap charge in 2007 and he's due $5 to $6 million base the final two years of his contract. He would have to totally rework his contract if he's coming here. I doubt it happens.

[cutthemdown]

that would be ok i guess since bly seems to want to go there. If Springs stayed healthy it could work out well

[yerner]

I don't think this is unfair. Spring for bly is even assuming Springs is healthy. Plus he is a solid guy off the field. Then the picks enchanged are about even. I think i would rather still have the two picks and Bly.

[The MVPlaya]

I wouldn't draft a DT as a top 10 pick.

[Gcver2ver3]

Anyone that thinks this is a bad deal for the BRONCOS?? is insane....

if we swap 1st rounders to move all the way up to #6 overall for just Bly & our 2nd rounder and STILL get shawn springs out of the deal?!....the other 30 teams will petition the league to put an end to the seemingly yearly rape sessions the broncos do with the redskins....

does shanny and sundquist have naked pictures of snyder or something?

[HEAV]

#6 will cost some serious cash.

[NFLBRONCO]

If this was true why not trade down to 12-15 and get Moss or Carriker and land a few extra picks for DT S.

[yerner]

I dont think this heavily in favor of the broncos. the skins need more draft picks and get a 1st and 2nd round players would help them . Also, bly and springs is pretty even.

[Rascal]

I really don't know about Springs frankly. He is 32 years old, and his stats have decreased consistently. And now he can't stay healthy.

[CBF1]

Pass, Personall I am not a Springs fan and think that the Bly in washington rumor are just a bunch of crap.

Status quo would make me happy.

[yerner]

who is it that the 6th would get us. we could get d-line help in the first and 2nd round in this draft.

[Clockwork Orange]

Washington gets boned in that trade.

I guess it would be par for the course.

[KCbroncos]

I'd be happy with Springs, who wants to play in Denver, and using #6 on Gaines Adams.

[-Slap-]

I just can't see Danny Snyder passing up all the Draft Day coverage face time that goes along with the sixth overall pick.

[yerner]

2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 78 | Key (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/features/scouting#key)
Alert: D

Comment:
Springs has good size, athleticism and experience. He still flashes shutdown ability when his body is right. He is fluid and quick. He has smooth hips and can transition with little wasted motion. He still can flip his hips and run with speed receivers. He has excellent hands and ball skills, and he still tracks the deep ball well. He is effective in both press and off coverage. But Springs is starting to show his age and always has had durability problems. His plays dropped off significantly in 2005. He has lost some quick-twitch athleticism over time. He doesn't close as well on three-step drops or get his hands on as many balls in underneath coverage. He gives up the inside too easily and isn't a steady tackler. He has lost some reactionary quickness. He no longer explodes out of his pedal or plants and breaks quickly on the ball. His speed has dipped to the point that he has trouble running the 9-route with speed receivers when Washington blitzes. His performance in run support declined, and he too often failed to play with sound leverage

[Rascal]

What does it say about Bly yerner?

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Hell, if they move up to 6, might as well keep on going to 3 and take Calvin Jackson. Imagine at least three years of Cutler, Walker, Jackson, Marshall, Scheffler and Henry together! The scoreboard would resemble a pinball machine.

[Garcia Bronco]

If the redskins are hurting on the cap I could see this happen. We could dump more picks and move up even higher thus reducing our cap burden for the rookies.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

On paper i suppose that works in our favor, but i wonder who they would target at six...Jamaal Anderson?

[yerner]

Comment:
Bly is an outstanding athlete who has excellent body control and quickness. He doesn't waste much motion, has very fluid hips and can turn and run on a dime. He has a rare combination of quickness to cover the slot and top-end speed to play on the perimeter. He is as good as it gets when it comes to mirroring a receiver in coverage. He is very confident and loves to challenge bigger receivers. He is competitive and plays a little bigger than his size suggests. He is a playmaker who always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He has excellent recovery ability when he does make a mistake. But Bly is undersized and not very physical. He sometimes has trouble against size receivers who can push off to create separation. He isn't much help in run support. He struggles to shed blocks and seems a little indifferent. He is cocky and will take some unnecessary chances. He misses some open-field tackles. He tends to get banged up.

[SpringStein]

double post - see below.

[Rohirrim]

#6 puts the Broncos up in Landry, Peterson, Gaines Adams, etc. territory.

[SureShot]

Trade down and get Landry and a 2 round pick!Excuse me while I clean myself up.

[SpringStein]

Number 6 could be a great spot for someone who might want to trade up for one of the QB's - like Miami. At #7, the Vikings are a possibility to take, let's say, Quinn if he's available.

By the trade charts, if we would trade down 3 spots, we could get an early 3rd or 4 or more spots we are back into round #2. Maybe we could trade down with the Rams for their first and second rounder, which works out nicely on the trade cahrt. Then giving up 21 and 56, we would have 13 and 45. Lots of good options at those two spots.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

From La Confora's blog at the WaPo:

Also, not to get too ahead of oursevles, but if the Broncos sign CB David Macklin, look for them to shop Dre' Bly, who as I told y'all over the weekend, is dying to come to DC for the money The Snyder dangled in front of him. If Devner decides that Bly ain't worth the trouble and adds depth at CB, I would imagine they would appraoch the Skins ASAP, and the Broncos covet the sixth pick.

I could see something where the Skins get Devner's first and second or third round pick (maybe even the Duckett pick back), plus Bly for the 6th overall. Skins could draft the 19-year old D Lineman out of Louisville - I hear he has really opened some eyes at The Park - and address additional O or D line needs with the second Denver pick.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Still a lot of speculation, and Okoye won't last until the 21st pick in the 1st.

[bloodsunday]

One reason it makes a little sense from Washington's perspective is that they don't have any trades after #1 until the 5th round. This way they add a 2nd rounder.

[bloodsunday]

I just can't see Danny Snyder passing up all the Draft Day coverage face time that goes along with the sixth overall pick.

The best reason I have heard not to believe this trade.

[orinjkrush]

something just don't feel right about this. who in the heck does Shanny want at 6? Another RB? The DEs from he**? Are we saving money or spending more? Maybe we need to talk to Captain Bly a little more about Rocky Mt. highs.

[Gcver2ver3]

If we get the #6 pick....we must get Alan Branch....he's the guy...

big, atheletic, and can rush the passer even with his enormous size...that's what we need more than anything...

with branch & warren pushing the middle.....Ekuban, Dumervil, & Lang will have a field day on the quarterback...

[eddie mac]

Pass, Personall I am not a Springs fan and think that the Bly in washington rumor are just a bunch of crap.

Status quo would make me happy.

Is that right CBF1 so I suppose that explains the fact he doesn't want to give any interviews about coming here (like any other player in the history of the NFL when they join a new team) nor will he deny the fact of what these so-called rumoured reports are clearly expressing. FACTS.

[Ratboy]

Make it Carlos Rogers instead of Springs and i'd do it in a heart beat, either way we'd fleece them again.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I am not buying this rumor.

The Skins have Carlos Rogers and Fred Smoot, they don't need Dre' Bly anymore.

[crowebomber]

Springs doesn't help us much. He rode the bench a good part of last year with nagging injuries. If they throw at him alot (and they will with Champ on the other side) he's not going to last. I want our second rounder. There are some studs in that top ten, but it's not worth getting rid of Bly and our second round pick IMO.

[eddie mac]

something just don't feel right about this. who in the heck does Shanny want at 6? Another RB? The DEs from he**? Are we saving money or spending more? Maybe we need to talk to Captain Bly a little more about Rocky Mt. highs.

We shouldn't have to sell **** to him. He should be honoured leaving a dog-**** franchise to come here.

[-Slap-]

One reason I would love to get the sixth spot is there exists a slim possibility Calvin Johnson could drop that far.

1 - Oakland - The Fat Kid

2 - Detroit - Joe Thomas

3 - Cleveland - Adrian Peterson

4 - Tampa Bay - Alright, its incredibly unlikely Gruden passes on Johnson, but his team has holes everywhere and their once proud front four is a joke. With Adams, Anderson and Branch on the board, along with Levi Brown, its not totally impossible one of those guys might just blow the Bucs' minds in a personal workout.

5 - Arizona - No way Whisenhunt uses the fifth pick on the deepest position on the team.

6 - Denver through Washington - Calvin Johnson, the best player in the draft.

I put the chances of this happening at less than 10%, but could you imagine what a coup it would be to give Cutler those kinds of weapons?

[Rascal]

I agree, if it were for Carlos Rogers I'd bite. But no for Springs. But like SSJ said I dont see the point of Washington doing that.

[Ratboy]

Landry? I would never take a Safety in the top 10. Give me Gaines Adams or Amobi-Wan Okoye.

[Drek]

6th wouldn't be a bad spot at all. I think Branch is a great pick there, Jamaal Anderson would be too. Who knows, maybe even make a play for Calvin Johnson, that would be awesome.

[broncswin]

@ this point I just throw my hands in the air grab a cold one sit in the recliner pull an Al Bundy and wait for the next move, I am officially confused!!

[Atlas]

Ehh. . ., not really enamoured with the 6th pick. If they could move down to around 10-12 and pick up a 2nd back up, I'd be all for that.

Okoye's not an option anymore with Bates' desire for big DTs. Branch appears to have dropped to where he's not worth a pick that high. Anderson or Adams would be cool, but I'd probably rather have Carriker, Johnson, or Moss and 2nd round S.


It's amazing to me that posters here think Okoye is undersized. HE is huge. HE is almost the same size as Michael Myers and he is only 19 years old. Sh!t guys he hasn't even matured yet. He could easily add another 30 lbs. The guy is going to be a beast by the time he starts shaving.

[NFLBRONCO]

This is bogus rumor I bet

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Tatum Bell, George Foster, Dre Bly, 5th round pick, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

For

Shawn Springs and the #6?

Is that right?

Sounds retarded. Don't do the stupid Redskins any favors.

[BigPlayShay]

Whose to say that the Broncos aren't targeting Springs to play Nickle and Foxworth to start? And, if they get Macklin, perhaps he and Springs will be battling for the Nickle spot.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yep Atlas...his nuts have even dropped yet

[Clockwork Orange]

The 6th spot is prime trade down territory because of Brady Quinn. The teams picking 7th, 8th & 9th could all be looking to take Quinn, which means that there could be some interesting trade possibilities for the Broncos if they're sitting at #6.

I doubt this will happen, though, but it's fun to speculate.

[Requiem]

Redskins already offered Springs for Bly, but wanted cap relief too. Not gonna happen.

[yerner]

Tatum Bell, George Foster, Dre Bly, 5th round pick, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

For

Shawn Springs and the #6?

Is that right?

Sounds retarded. Don't do the stupid Redskins any favors.

That's Perspective. Doesn't look to good like this.

[DomCasual]

My thing would be getting the pick, then trading down again. Those picks command a premium as the draft approaches.

I wouldn't ever want to spend a pick that high on a WR - despite the fact that Calvin Johnson looks like he's going to be a freak. They just seem historically to be too hit and miss.

I guess it depends on Bly's attitude. I would be fine with keeping him, unless he's going to be a cancer. Not that he's anywhere near, but remember the Dale Carter fiasco? Different problems, I know. But if Bly is going to be a pain in the ass, I'd just as soon get something for him now - addition by subtraction, and all of that.

[elsid13]

Gaines Adams or Jamall Anderson would solve the pass rush impact player on the line for long time.

[Atlas]

Yep Atlas...his nuts have even dropped yet


Hell, he just got off Momma's nipple a little while ago.

[Antilles]

Tatum Bell, George Foster, Dre Bly, 5th round pick, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

For

Shawn Springs and the #6?

Is that right?

Sounds retarded. Don't do the stupid Redskins any favors.

Including Bly and the other guys in the trade (at the same time) is a little misleading since Foster, Bell and the 5th essentially became Bly and the 6th. I think the point you are driving at is:

Bell, Foster, 5th round pick, 1st round pick (21), 3rd round pick

for

Springs, 1st round pick (6) and 6th round pick.

[Jens1893]

One reason I would love to get the sixth spot is there exists a slim possibility Calvin Johnson could drop that far.

1 - Oakland - The Fat Kid

2 - Detroit - Joe Thomas

3 - Cleveland - Adrian Peterson

4 - Tampa Bay - Alright, its incredibly unlikely Gruden passes on Johnson, but his team has holes everywhere and their once proud front four is a joke. With Adams, Anderson and Branch on the board, along with Levi Brown, its not totally impossible one of those guys might just blow the Bucs' minds in a personal workout.

5 - Arizona - No way Whisenhunt uses the fifth pick on the deepest position on the team.

6 - Denver through Washington - Calvin Johnson, the best player in the draft.

I put the chances of this happening at less than 10%, but could you imagine what a coup it would be to give Cutler those kinds of weapons?

Shut your mouth RIGHT NOW. This is getting me excited.

[-Slap-]

Tatum Bell, George Foster, Dre Bly, 5th round pick, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

For

Shawn Springs and the #6?

Is that right?

Sounds retarded. Don't do the stupid Redskins any favors.

You're shorting us Detroit's sixth rounder.

[BroncoInferno]

They already peddled Springs to us, but they needed cap help to part with him, which we of course were not willing to provide, thus the deal fell through. I doubt that situation has changed much. Still, I could see something in the works involving Bly and the 6th pick. I'd be quite the happy camper if Gaines Adams became a Bronco.

[cabronco]

I can see us doing the deal and taking the sixth, and then trading down with someone in the teens who may be targeting a player, and getting an earlier 2nd round pick too.

[Garcia Bronco]

Springs would have to redo his contract before we even discussed it. 7.5 millions for the oft injured CB

[RkyMtnThunder]

This rumor is popping up all over the place.....can it be true? Really?!?

Ya think the Skins FO would have learned their lesson by now?!? Dont deal with us! Really - its not in your best interest! LOL

(wiping tear from corner of eye)



LOL


Someone pinch me, this cant be happening - Broncos move all the way up to #11 to grab Cutler last year and now look poised to break into the top 10?!? and get....well, whoever they get will have the luxury of not being rushed into service - so any of these top 10 prospects should be great for us!

If we get (and keep - I say keep!!) #6 overall, thats the highest we have picked in ....how long? I cant even remember!

All you trade down advocates - we can draft for depth next year - lets go for broke and add a potential superstar!




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/05/AR2007030501454.html

"Redskins Notes: Denver cornerback Dre Bly, who the Redskins attempted to acquire last week and who has told several people he wants to play for Washington, could become available again. The Broncos, who already have three quality cornerbacks, have a free agent visit set up with corner David Macklin, according to reports, and should they sign him it could be a precursor to a Bly trade. The Redskins are seeking additional picks in this draft and are interested in trading down from the sixth overall pick, while the Broncos could entertain moving up. . . ."

[elsid13]

Forget about Springs, let ask for Sean Taylor and the 6th pick. I would be willing to throw in conditional pick next year ;D

[Merlin]

Now this is what a homer post looks like:

-------------------
From La Confora's blog at the WaPo:

Quote:
AI could see something where the Skins get Devner's first and second or third round pick (maybe even the Duckett pick back), plus Bly for the 6th overall.
_________________

If Denver falls for this Idiocy, then the Skins finally made up in one trade for all their previous retarded trades. There is no way Denver trades its 1st, 2nd or third PLUS Bly for the 6th overall.

NOTE: Bly only has a 1 yr contract, so Denver is in essence renting him, but I would not like a trade for Springs without a contract re-work because he is far too expensive, plus he should no longer be starting. He should now be considered a nickel back, and who wants to pay >$5M/yr for a nickel back?

That being said, the original trade mentioned on this thread is a major ripoff by Denver, and they don't need to use that 6th choice, they can then move down and get many other decent choices.

[RkyMtnThunder]

I dont think Springs may be involved

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

"So now the Broncos bringing in depth corner David Macklin for a look and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal....

.......And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first round pick, and second and/or third round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick."



Personally, I dont see Denver giving up their #1, #3, +conditional, AND Bly for #6 overall. 4 for 1? Skins will have to sweeten that a little, going to need to add a player cause they dont have enough picks.

We know its not going to be Springs. And its not going to be S.Taylor, skins are dumb but I dont think they are that dumb. Plus the kid is a headache.


I wouldnt mind:

Broncos give: #21, 3rd round + conditional + CB Bly

Skins give: #6 and Portis

Having Portis/Henry backfield + a top DE prospect and I would say this was one of the best off seasons ever

[SonOfLe-loLang]

You guys aren't looking at the bigger picture..you have to look at that draft pick value guide. The sixth pick is worth much more than our first and second together..so if they wanted to trade down a few spots, they can essentially move up in both rounds by acquiring an additional second rounder and moving from 6 to say...12. And as far the people saying we're giving up bell, foster, bly and blah blah, we had no for foster and little use for bell anyway, they were spare parts

[Sassy]

Are we screwing the skins again? ;D

[ro_50]

I wouldnt mind:

Broncos give: #21, 3rd round + conditional + CB Bly

Skins give: #6 and Portis

Having Portis/Henry backfield + a top DE prospect and I would say this was one of the best off seasons ever



You must be playing too much Madden by coming up with an un-fathomable trade idea like that.

Why would Denver want Clinton Portis back?

[Barry Ramey]

Why would the Broncos want Portis after just signing Henry and have one of them around complaining not getting enough carries? No thanks. The #6 is worth pursuing, but I doubt the Broncos want anything to do with Portis and Springs is just a waste. He's 32 and coming off multiple injuries. He wouldn't beat out Paymah.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I like how all of this crap is coming from the Washington Post. Who's the little rat that keeps dreaming up these scenarios from Washington's side? Almost feels like the team has a puppet in the media that keeps fishing for something on this deal.

I'd tell the Redskins to shove it.

[atomicbloke]

One reason I would love to get the sixth spot is there exists a slim possibility Calvin Johnson could drop that far.

1 - Oakland - The Fat Kid

2 - Detroit - Joe Thomas

3 - Cleveland - Adrian Peterson

4 - Tampa Bay - Alright, its incredibly unlikely Gruden passes on Johnson, but his team has holes everywhere and their once proud front four is a joke. With Adams, Anderson and Branch on the board, along with Levi Brown, its not totally impossible one of those guys might just blow the Bucs' minds in a personal workout.

5 - Arizona - No way Whisenhunt uses the fifth pick on the deepest position on the team.

6 - Denver through Washington - Calvin Johnson, the best player in the draft.

I put the chances of this happening at less than 10%, but could you imagine what a coup it would be to give Cutler those kinds of weapons?

Great! That would mean a second straight year without DL help.

Instead of watching the team lose 10-19 with Plummer, we'll watch them lose 45-55 with Cutler.

[cabronco]

You guys aren't looking at the bigger picture..you have to look at that draft pick value guide. The sixth pick is worth much more than our first and second together..so if they wanted to trade down a few spots, they can essentially move up in both rounds by acquiring an additional second rounder and moving from 6 to say...12. And as far the people saying we're giving up bell, foster, bly and blah blah, we had no for foster and little use for bell anyway, they were spare parts

I think the draft pick value guide, is just that ...a guide. And when it comes to the skins well its like a positon guide, in which position do the skins want to get F-d in. :~ohyah!:

[RkyMtnThunder]

You must be playing too much Madden by coming up with an un-fathomable trade idea like that.

Why would Denver want Clinton Portis back?



Because Henry is nothing more than a stop gap RB until Denver finds their true feature back. I cant believe how so many folks all the sudden view Henry as some kind of stud RB now he signed with us. He was a 'best available' option, nothing more or less.

And I dont see why folks think bridges are burned between Portis and Denver. So he whined about outplaying his contract at the pro-bowl (and he did outperform the contract he signed)

a week later we shipped him out. Its not like it was some big ugly drawn out thing. I think Broncos wanted Bailey all along and blew Portis gripe out of proportion just to put him on the block.

Not that I mind...



Further - Springs wont be involved and I cant think of a player on that team who could provide immediate impact outside of Portis who obviously knows and thrives in our system. Originally selected in round 2....and Skins had debated putting Portis on the block after Betts emerged. Also, Portis recently restructured his contract so he is alot more cap friendly as of today. Finally, Portis knows damn well that Betts will bite into his carries where in Denver he would be #1, Henry #2 end of story.

I think Portis could get over his 2 week gripe and being traded now he has his $$. I think being slapped and shipped to Washington and playing on a bad team for a couple years - coupled with the realization that Denver cant just plug anyone into the backfield and get 1500 yards....humble pie eaten on both sides. Reconciliation isnt impossible.

And you got some guy on this thread who suggested Skins package #6 + S.Taylor who was selected in the top 10 himself (far more unlikely than my proposition)

and you say I am playing too much Madden? Get over yourself!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

With $12.5M guaranteed, Henry is not a stop-gap until they find their "true" feature back. Henry is the guy for at least three years unless they pull another TD out of their hat in the late rounds.

[elsid13]

With $12.5M guaranteed, Henry is not a stop-gap until they find their "true" feature back. Henry is the guy for at least three years unless they pull another TD out of their hat in the late rounds.

Actually I kinda of look at it this way , he's the guy that has the first opportunity to be successful. IF he get out performed by Mike Bell or some rookie, he's the guy making a lot of money sitting on the bench and someone we get to make fun of on the mane.. See IHOP or Dale Carter or A Miller as examples.

[MechanicalBull]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789996


Broncos want Bly to play corner opposite Bailey

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The team, though, wants to give him some time to warm up to the deal. It's only been a few days since the 29-year-old Bly was acquired from Detroit -- along with a sixth-round pick -- for running back Tatum Bell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6800), offensive lineman George Foster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6356) and a fifth-round pick.
"Hopefully he'll see the light," said Jim Bates, assistant head coach in charge of defense, at a Tuesday get-together for the Broncos' new coaches. "He'll see the opportunity in Denver of being part of a great football team, great organization and being opposite the side of Champ Bailey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4655). Hopefully he'll come around and say, 'Hey, this is where I want to be.'"
Bates hasn't spoken to Bly personally, but said others, including coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Ted Sundquist, have contacted him.
Bly's agent, Kennard McGuire, didn't return a call or an e-mail to The Associated Press.

"I don't know what Dre's thinking," Bates said. "Hopefully, over the next couple weeks, he'll come our direction and be positive. We want a positive player once we get in here."

The Washington Post, citing people it did not name, reported Bly would rather play for the Redskins because they're closer to his home in Chesapeake, Va.
However, Denver doesn't have any plans to deal their newly acquired defensive back just yet.

"We expect him to be playing corner for us," said Bates, who was out of football last season, but spent the 2005 season as Green Bay's defensive coordinator. "We'd love for him to be all fired up and get ready to roll. Sometimes, especially in today's game, you have to have a little patience and it takes a little time."

The thought of Bly and Bailey holding down the corners for the Broncos brings a big smile to the face of Bates. The Broncos can apply more pressure because they don't have to worry about either Pro Bowl player needing extra help.

Bates has already studied film of Bailey from last season and was amazed at the footage. Bailey tied for the league lead in interceptions with 10 and finished second in the Associated Press Defensive Player of the Year voting.
"I've been fortunate to be around some great corners," Bates said. "I don't think anyone has been more complete from what I've seen on tape than Champ. A lot of these guys were great cover guys, maybe a little inconsistent in the tackling area. Champ does it all, and does it all at a high level."

Denver's Domonique Foxworth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7273) was penciled in as the starting right corner until the Bly deal. Foxworth will likely fill the nickel role.
The Broncos are still trying to recover from the loss of cornerback Darrent Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7232), who was killed in a drive-by shooting on New Year's Day. The case remains unsolved.
"We lost a great person," Shanahan said last month at a wrap-up press conference for the season.

Bly, like Bailey, is a playmaker. He has 33 career interceptions, the fourth-most in the league since 1999. He's returned five interceptions for touchdowns in his career.

Now if the Broncos could only get him to warm up to the deal.
"We've heard some of his remarks since the trade's been made, but hopefully he'll see the light as far as playing opposite Champ Bailey," Bates said. "I think it would be a great opportunity for him."
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[SonOfLe-loLang]

A. Miller did make a pro-bowl with us

[TheDave]

This sounds way too one sided to be true... On the other hand trading tatum (bust), Foster (bust), Bly (one year rental) and #21 for #6... depending on who #6 turns out to be could be well worth it.


now watch Shanny draft Brady Quinn... :rofl:

[BroncoFiend]

Actually I kinda of look at it this way , he's the guy that has the first opportunity to be successful. IF he get out performed by Mike Bell or some rookie, he's the guy making a lot of money sitting on the bench and someone we get to make fun of on the mane.. See IHOP or Dale Carter or A Miller as examples.

That will always be true on the Broncos, but teh safe money is on Henry being a VERY productive back for at least the next three years. His style really fits.

[RkyMtnThunder]

With $12.5M guaranteed, Henry is not a stop-gap until they find their "true" feature back. Henry is the guy for at least three years unless they pull another TD out of their hat in the late rounds.

Henry has been replaced/expendable for both teams he has played for. He is a stop gap, thats his M.O. and he has been trying to fight against that his whole career.

Broncos overpaid for him IMO out of desperation for a decent experienced RB. And thats all he is...decent serviceable veteran. Better than other vet RBs we have brought in in the recent past (Hearst, Dayne) but this signing was similar mentality - bring in a vet for competition. Henry is 2nd tier RB who has the #1 job by default cause our RB corps is virtually non-existant. (Similar to how Dayne was last off season #1 guy)

Last season, how many of you guys would have considered Henry a top 5 RB? How about top 10? No fibbing now! I can think of a whole list of RBs I would rather have, and so could you.

Now all the sudden Henry is some kind of elite RB just cause he signed with our team?

He can be a Mike Anderson type RB for us which is great. But even when we had Anderson, we still wanted a RB to emerge with more speed and upside.

I highly doubt Denver is just going to sit content with Henry for the next few seasons unless some miracle happens. We never sit on 2nd tier RBs that long.

Shanny wants his 1500-1800yd machine, and Henry isnt it.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It doesn't matter that you think they overpaid, they thought he was worth it. It also doesn't matter if he's been replaced before, you don't hand out that much money to a stop-gap.

You obviously don't like the Henry signing, but it still doesn't change the fact that he's going to be the starter here for the foreseeable future.

[theAPAOps5]

Isn't Ladell bets better as a change of pace type back. Until Portis got hurt that is how it was. Henry and Betts would provide a nice 1,2 punch. I still think this is smokescreen.

[DomCasual]

Henry has been replaced/expendable for both teams he has played for. He is a stop gap, thats his M.O. and he has been trying to fight against that his whole career.

Broncos overpaid for him IMO out of desperation for a decent experienced RB. And thats all he is...decent serviceable veteran. Better than other vet RBs we have brought in in the recent past (Hearst, Dayne) but this signing was similar mentality - bring in a vet for competition. Henry is 2nd tier RB who has the #1 job by default cause our RB corps is virtually non-existant. (Similar to how Dayne was last off season #1 guy)

Last season, how many of you guys would have considered Henry a top 5 RB? How about top 10? No fibbing now! I can think of a whole list of RBs I would rather have, and so could you.

Now all the sudden Henry is some kind of elite RB just cause he signed with our team?

He can be a Mike Anderson type RB for us which is great. But even when we had Anderson, we still wanted a RB to emerge with more speed and upside.

I highly doubt Denver is just going to sit content with Henry for the next few seasons unless some miracle happens. We never sit on 2nd tier RBs that long.

Shanny wants his 1500-1800yd machine, and Henry isnt it.

He rushed for almost 100 yards a game last year in the games he played. Plus, he had a 4.5 yard average. All this for a team with virtually no passing threat. You see a problem with that?

[eddie mac]

Henry has been replaced/expendable for both teams he has played for. He is a stop gap, thats his M.O. and he has been trying to fight against that his whole career.

Broncos overpaid for him IMO out of desperation for a decent experienced RB. And thats all he is...decent serviceable veteran. Better than other vet RBs we have brought in in the recent past (Hearst, Dayne) but this signing was similar mentality - bring in a vet for competition. Henry is 2nd tier RB who has the #1 job by default cause our RB corps is virtually non-existant. (Similar to how Dayne was last off season #1 guy)

Last season, how many of you guys would have considered Henry a top 5 RB? How about top 10? No fibbing now! I can think of a whole list of RBs I would rather have, and so could you.

Now all the sudden Henry is some kind of elite RB just cause he signed with our team?

He can be a Mike Anderson type RB for us which is great. But even when we had Anderson, we still wanted a RB to emerge with more speed and upside.

I highly doubt Denver is just going to sit content with Henry for the next few seasons unless some miracle happens. We never sit on 2nd tier RBs that long.

Shanny wants his 1500-1800yd machine, and Henry isnt it.

So you're a running back coach then I presume???

[Gfunk]

here's the latest here in DC...

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.
And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.
In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

here's the latest here in DC...

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.
And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.
In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.



You're not going to see a 4-1 or even 5-1 swap like JLC suggests.

[Sassy]

So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

That's way too much!

[broncos love]

If bly doesn't want in Denver for some odd reason then trade his ass. If they could somehow get Jammal Anderson or Chris Houston in the draft, they would be very happy with their selection.

[MechanicalBull]

There is no way that Okoye makes it to the 21st pick.

[gunns]

If we were to keep the 6th I'm not understanding the talk of getting Branch or Anderson. Both of their stocks have dropped. Nor the Johnson talk. Although I think Tampa will take Adams I'd love to get him or Landry. Hell yes I'd take a safety that high if Denver will finally take one.

[wabbit]

Because Henry is nothing more than a stop gap RB until Denver finds their true feature back. I cant believe how so many folks all the sudden view Henry as some kind of stud RB now he signed with us. He was a 'best available' option, nothing more or less.

And I dont see why folks think bridges are burned between Portis and Denver. So he whined about outplaying his contract at the pro-bowl (and he did outperform the contract he signed)

a week later we shipped him out. Its not like it was some big ugly drawn out thing. I think Broncos wanted Bailey all along and blew Portis gripe out of proportion just to put him on the block.

Not that I mind...



Further - Springs wont be involved and I cant think of a player on that team who could provide immediate impact outside of Portis who obviously knows and thrives in our system. Originally selected in round 2....and Skins had debated putting Portis on the block after Betts emerged. Also, Portis recently restructured his contract so he is alot more cap friendly as of today. Finally, Portis knows damn well that Betts will bite into his carries where in Denver he would be #1, Henry #2 end of story.

I think Portis could get over his 2 week gripe and being traded now he has his $$. I think being slapped and shipped to Washington and playing on a bad team for a couple years - coupled with the realization that Denver cant just plug anyone into the backfield and get 1500 yards....humble pie eaten on both sides. Reconciliation isnt impossible.

And you got some guy on this thread who suggested Skins package #6 + S.Taylor who was selected in the top 10 himself (far more unlikely than my proposition)

and you say I am playing too much Madden? Get over yourself!


Well, so the bed-wetting, bet-welching Bobo takes on another cover ('munkey' was among the first (appropriately enough)...probably were more)...just die Bobo & take your dumb-assed antics with you.

I mean, anyone really surprised this loser can't stay away...damn, boy, you need to get a life.

On the subject matter at hand...Springs is, and has been in the Bronco gunsights for several years...honestly.

Don't ask me why, given his marginal production & injury history, but the staff here will take a hard look at any trade offers that may include him...and allow for re-negotiation of that ridiculous contract.

Bly is flapping his lips in Detroit about all this among the local sports media there...despite warnings from his agent. Why it isn't reported here is something of a mystery.

According to a couple writers up Deeborn way, Bly is telling anyone who will listen that there's 'no way' he signs any long term agreement with Denver and he's still 'praying' he gets traded away before long.

Lets lose this guy...quickly.

[Mooby]

I like how all of this crap is coming from the Washington Post. Who's the little rat that keeps dreaming up these scenarios from Washington's side? Almost feels like the team has a puppet in the media that keeps fishing for something on this deal.

I'd tell the Redskins to shove it.

You do know that the Washington Post and the Redskins don't like each other. Dan Snyder got pissed at them over all the negative articles they'd write, so he revoked all their tickets to the redskins home games, and that's why he has his hand is so much media nowadays.

And I don't see how you guys think you are getting a steal when all you'd be getting is the sixth pick. Springs had 4 different injuries last season that limited him to like 7 games. And even in the games he played he wasn't that spectacular, our pass defense was still horrible. In his first season with us he was pretty close to being a shutdown cornerback, but the next two seasons his play trailed off and he got injured wayyy too much, just like in Seattle.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Hell, if they move up to 6, might as well keep on going to 3 and take Calvin Jackson. Imagine at least three years of Cutler, Walker, Jackson, Marshall, Scheffler and Henry together! The scoreboard would resemble a pinball machine.
You read my mind.

[Carmelo15]

great idea, but its Johnson, not Jackson. Calvin Johnson, wow that would be awesome!

[BroncoInferno]

Lets lose this guy...quickly.

Nah, no hurry. Hold out for the best deal, and if nothing satisfactory is offered make him play out the deal and let him walk. The two players we traded for him both were in the last year of their deals anyway, so it's not like we would have lost any long term value by renting him for a season.

[SureShot]

Agreed. He will have to play in a contract year. If he blows up tag him.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

great idea, but its Johnson, not Jackson. Calvin Johnson, wow that would be awesome!

Sorry. Mark, Vance, Clint, Steve, Butch, there's been too many "sons" in my life to keep them all straight.;)

[bap454]

Let the trade happen!! If Bly wants out of Denver now, there is no way he signs a contract extension later. At best he sticks around a year and gone the next. We will be back in the same situation next year.

[Drek]

If you take the pick value chart into consideration on this one we could ship our 1st, 2nd, and the skins 3rd back to them along with Bly, getting only the 6th in return, and that'd equate Bly's value to 220 points, i.e. the 74th overall pick.

I'd say thats pretty awesome return for Bell, Foster, and sliding a few spots in the middle second day.

If we're returning any worthwhile player or sending just the 2nd or skin's 3rd we're making out like bandits.

I also don't get the talk of Branch or Jamaal Anderson dropping. Branch is sliding just because Kiper's skitzophrenic big board has him down to 21 now? Wasn't too long ago Ikaika-Alama Francis was on there and while I love the guy's upside he's no better than a late second or early 3rd rounder. Branch is hands down the best all around DT prospect in several years, if we can get him we'd be fools not to.

Anderson is also still just as elite as ever. Sure Gaines Adams looked solid at the combine but he's lacking about 20 pounds on Anderson who's likely to run just as fast at his pro day. Don't forget Anderson was considered a top 50 recruit coming out of high school, as a WR! He's a freakish talent, the closest to Julius Peppers in a long time.

If we could get either of those two for effectively Tatum, Foster, 21, and one other first day pick, still holding two first day picks mind you, we'd be making out like bandits. There would also always be the possibility of a deal with Cleveland to jump up to 3rd and take Calvin Johnson. I doubt they'd ask for more than another first day pick as Adrian Peterson would surely slide, Tampa Bay has Cadillac on a top 5 contract and AZ has Edge on a monster deal.

How sweet would that be? Calvin Johnson and another first day pick without looting the '08 draft where we already have a 4th from Washington locked up and a 7th (potentially a 4th) coming from Tampa Bay. Thats if Tampa Bay doesn't decide to go defense instead at #4, then Johnson slides into our laps.

[Broncoman13]

Johnson will never slide into our laps. There isn't a great value pick for the Cardinals at #5 but you can bet a number of teams will offer plenty to move up for Johnson. That's the only thing I see wrong with Slap's projection... a week ago I would have said tha was a likely scenario b/c I thought the Bucs would really consider Quinn at #4. But, with the signing of Garcia and trade for Plummer they won't look at Quinn now. Still, I think there is a fairly good chance they go after Gaines Adams... but Gruden will want offense and will likely get his way.

I'd do the Bly trade in a heartbeat... But, not for what people are talking about. No way would I go 4 for 1. I'd give up #1, #3, and Bly for #6 overall. We do need to get rid of Bly though! He's too much of a pussy to play oppo Champ Bailey and he knows it. He'd get picked on and exposed. He knows that by coming to Denver and playing oppo Champ Bailey he'll never get that big money contract b/c he'll be an ordinary CB again. PU$$Y!

I'd be open to a deal that sent our #1, #2, and the Skins #3 plus Bly for #6 overall, Brunell, and their 2nd in next year's draft. That would work for me b/c we need a savvy vet to work with Cutler and their #2 next year will likely be a top 40 pick.

Now, on to #6 again. So much depends on the Faiders @ the top. If they go as planned and take Russell the pieces will fall together nicely. Thomas, Peterson, Johnson and Adams probably go in the next 5. That leaves us with a great dilemma! Alan Branch, Jamaal Anderson, or Landry (who two weeks ago I would have laughed at if you considered him at #6... 4.35 speed for a safety changes a lot of things doesn't it). I like Alan Branch. He'd be a great plug in the middle of our line, but if a penetrating, Trevor Pryce like DT that will sack the QB is what you're looking for then you have Alan Branch confused. Okoye is probably the best DT in terms of collapsing and getting after the QB. Laron Landry would be a very nice addition. Excellent speed and good in coverage to boot. Safety is a need position but I'll always have reservations about drafting a safety this early. As good as Sean Taylor or Michael Huff are, can you say that they are truly difference makers on their teams? So that leads to Jamaal Anderson and 288 lb DE that has been described as "Skinny" at that weight. I don't think he'll run much faster than a 4.80 but if he does he may not make it to #6. I look at Jamaal Anderson as a more phyically gifted Adam Carriker. And, he fits the mold for a Bates type DE. Long and "Skinny" though at 288 lbs he will really be able to anchor at the POA.

[-Slap-]

Great! That would mean a second straight year without DL help.

Instead of watching the team lose 10-19 with Plummer, we'll watch them lose 45-55 with Cutler.

Getting a bit hysterical, aren't you?

You would be amazed how much it helps a defense when they're not repeatedly trudging onto the field after multiple three and outs by the offense.

Add Calvin Johnson and Travis Henry to all the sophomore studs on that offense and we're going to beat people badly. There's not a defense in this planet who could matchup against Johnson, Walker, Marshall, Scheffler, Henry and Cutler. Factor in the return of Lepsis and maturation of some young linemen and we're talking a top three offense as soon as next season.

[-Slap-]

Johnson will never slide into our laps. There isn't a great value pick for the Cardinals at #5 but you can bet a number of teams will offer plenty to move up for Johnson. That's the only thing I see wrong with Slap's projection... a week ago I would have said tha was a likely scenario b/c I thought the Bucs would really consider Quinn at #4. But, with the signing of Garcia and trade for Plummer they won't look at Quinn now. Still, I think there is a fairly good chance they go after Gaines Adams... but Gruden will want offense and will likely get his way.


You never know. Maybe somebody offers Arizona a fortune to trade and then they take Quinn, or one of the defensive linemen, or Levi Brown?

I could see a team like Houston, Miami or Carolina deciding Quinn @ five is a good idea.

[Rascal]

Since we just signed Graham, there is pretty much no reason to go after Calvin Johnson if that is who we were interested.

[-Slap-]

Since we just signed Graham, there is pretty much no reason to go after Calvin Johnson if that is who we were interested.

Is that why the site slowed down again?

Hell, yeah!

^5

I know Herc is happy.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6544/p1grahamfj7.jpg

:strong:

[Drek]

Since we just signed Graham, there is pretty much no reason to go after Calvin Johnson if that is who we were interested.

Why not? imagine that no back set. :)

Also, its not like Brandon Marshall is a lock to be a stud, same for Scheffler, and Walker isn't a spring chicken. Calvin Johnson is an all decade talent, if we can add him we should. Also, guys need to sit plays to catch their breath.

Still, I wouldn't exactly be heart broken if we got Jamaal Anderson or Alan Branch.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Is that

I know Herc is happy.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6544/p1grahamfj7.jpg

:strong:

I did do a dance

[Clockwork Orange]

I did do a dance

You weren't the only one. !Booya! :~ohyah!:

[Broncoman13]

You know, the more I think about it the less interested I am in that #6 overall. Sure it would be nice to get a guy like Branch, Anderson, or Landry... but we could land BOTH Moss and Weddle if we just keep what we've got. Hell, there is a possibility of sending Bly and our 2nd to the Skins for their 2nd and drafting Moss AND Revis or better yet, bring in Macklin and draft Moss and Griffin/Meriweather with the Skins high 2nd rounder. We're going to get some value at 21 and I don't think the value at #6 is so much better that we should give up a number of first day picks.

[Clockwork Orange]

You know, the more I think about it the less interested I am in that #6 overall. Sure it would be nice to get a guy like Branch, Anderson, or Landry... but we could land BOTH Moss and Weddle if we just keep what we've got. Hell, there is a possibility of sending Bly and our 2nd to the Skins for their 2nd and drafting Moss AND Revis or better yet, bring in Macklin and draft Moss and Griffin/Meriweather with the Skins high 2nd rounder. We're going to get some value at 21 and I don't think the value at #6 is so much better that we should give up a number of first day picks.

Washington doesn't have a 2nd rounder. That pick now belongs to the Bears via the Jets.

They don't have a 3rd (Broncos have that one, Lelie trade) or a 4th (Brandon Lloyd trade) either. The 6th pick is pretty much all they have to offer.