My Son is being deployed

[gunns]

It's one of those secret deployments, a "World emergency", where he can't say where he is going, cannot contact anyone here while gone, and we or he knows how long he will be gone. What I've gotten out of his wife is that it is not Iraq but it is somewhere where there are terrorist camps associated with Al Queda. They have changed his takeoff time 3 times moving it up each time. He's not supposed to tell me even that but I threatened him. Mom's do still hold some power.

Remarkably I'm taking this much better than I thought I would. Maybe because I associate the worst place with being Iraq, maybe because he hasn't left yet. I love the fact he's in the military and his view on what he does but I hate the mess Bush has created around the world for our troops. I have a feeling this brave face I'm putting on is going to melt away once he leaves. Sorry, just had to share, mods can move this anywhere they want.

[youcandoit1687]

Best of luck and be strong!(to both of you)

[SoCalBronco]

Our prayers are with your son, gunns. I really hope he stays safe and comes back ASAP.

[bpc]

The smoke bellowing from the mid-east is the crisis that is about to unfold in Iran.

[smalltowngrll]

Gunns, I'm sorry that you are having to go through that as a mother. Thank you for your sons service to our country!

Please know that your son and family will be in my thoughts and prayers during this time while he is away serving our country!

[bpc]

Our prayers are with your son, gunns. I really hope he stays safe and comes back ASAP.

Yup, couldn't agree more.

[Crushaholic]

I sincerely thank your son for his service, Gunns.

[Sassy]

Best of luck to both of you and thoughts and prayers to keep him safe along the way...

[Needa Pass Rush]

God bless your son and your family, Gunns.

[SureShot]

God bless your son and your family, Gunns.

Exactly and thankyou as well.

[watermock]

I don't blame you for fretting. ...what is his name so I can pray more specific? I just need the first name...

I ran into an old friend of mine at the store...He's on oxygen and I can't find anyone anymore from ww2. He's my buddy.

War is a dirty business on the ground.

[freak6]

Props to you and your son Gunns. He'll be fine, his teammates will ensure of that.

[DomCasual]

Prayers to him and your family. That's scary stuff.

[ludo21]

what everyone else said ;D

Il pray for him and the fam Gunns. I love this country and am glad we have men like him serving

[Blueflame]

I'll be sure to remember him in my prayers... for his safe return and for strength for your family in his absence.

[Tredici]

God speed Gunns. God speed.

[Los Broncos]

Much respect and come back alive.

[Florida_Bronco]

I'll make sure to send a prayer his way. From what you described, it sounds like Afghanistan is where he is going.

Do you know what unit your son is in?

[BMF Bronco]

Gunns, fret not ma'am, your son will be safe, he has his other "family" to take care of him. He and your family will be in my family's thoughts and prayers and I promise to include him in our prayer group. Please PM me and give me his name.

[Odysseus]

I completely agree with your position as a mother. It's very hard being associated with anyone with the military. It is not possible to pay them enough money for what they do.

Right now his family are those other guys on the plane with him.

Civilians don't understand military and many of the bad things that happen to the military is from that. I call it losing mission focus.

He has to keep things to himself oftentimes common information that in the normal world isn't that big of a deal. You have to respect that. I can probably guess from what I know exactly where he is going. You don't want to put that information out there.

God bless your son and your family, Gunns.

[ro_50]

God bless you and your son. Pray that he makes it back safe and sound. He's a HERO, just like all the troops are.

[Taco John]

:pray:

[mhgaffney]

Secret deployments? World emergency? I hate to say it -- but this sounds like a build up for Bush's next round -- a war against Iran.

I've been warning about this since 2003.

Time to get on our knees and pray for peace.

Maybe it isn't too late.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's one of those secret deployments, a "World emergency", where he can't say where he is going, cannot contact anyone here while gone, and we or he knows how long he will be gone. What I've gotten out of his wife is that it is not Iraq but it is somewhere where there are terrorist camps associated with Al Queda. They have changed his takeoff time 3 times moving it up each time. He's not supposed to tell me even that but I threatened him. Mom's do still hold some power.

Remarkably I'm taking this much better than I thought I would. Maybe because I associate the worst place with being Iraq, maybe because he hasn't left yet. I love the fact he's in the military and his view on what he does but I hate the mess Bush has created around the world for our troops. I have a feeling this brave face I'm putting on is going to melt away once he leaves. Sorry, just had to share, mods can move this anywhere they want.

Best of wishes to you and your family, gunns.

You might want to think about keeping the deployment info on the down low. For the sake of our fellows and your son.

[Requiem]

Just sent up some prayers to the big man upstairs to look after your son.

I pray for my cousin every day, being special forces, he never tells me everything exactly, but tells me more than I should know.

Pray every night for the people fighting in our service to get back safe and never have to be put through this bull**** anymore.

Tell him thank you from me and all of us on the Mane the next time around.

[watermock]

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[epicSocialism4tw]

CIA Rushing Resources to Bin Laden Hunt

March 05, 2007 3:47 PM
Brian Ross Reports:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/images/pakistan3_cia_map_nr.jpg (http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/pakistan3_cia_map_nr.jpg) Armed with fresh intelligence, the CIA is moving additional man power and equipment into Pakistan in the effort to find Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al Zawahri, U.S. officials tell ABC News.
"Reports that the trail has gone stone cold are not correct," said one U.S. official. "We are very much increasing our efforts there," the official said.
People familiar with the CIA operation say undercover officers with paramilitary training have been ordered into Pakistan and the area across the border with Afghanistan as part of the ramp-up.
THE BLOTTER RECOMMENDS


Blotter Afghanistan: U.S. Forces Arrack Suspected al Qaeda Hideout (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/afghanistan_us_.html)
Blotter CIA: Bin Laden in Pakistan Establishing New Camps (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/cia_bin_laden_i.html)
Click Here to Check Out the Latest Brian Ross Slideshows (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/)
Although never publicly acknowledged, Pakistan has permitted CIA teams to secretly operate inside Pakistan.
Pakistan officials say they are aware that CIA teams have increased their presence in northern Waziristan since last September when Pakistan withdrew its troops from the area under a much-criticized "peace deal" with tribal leaders.
Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/)
Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell testified last week that current intelligence "to the best of our knowledge" puts both bin Laden and al Zawahri in Pakistan. It was the first time a high-ranking U.S. official publicly identified Pakistan as bin Laden's hiding place.
Past intelligence has indicated that bin Laden often changed locations in March, traveling to hiding places in the mountains once the snow cover begins to melt.

[watermock]

Jeepers...I'm about to grab my kid and wife by back of their necks to Canada. I only have one son...

Personally I think we are chasing a ghost, but who knows...I'm not in the circle. I started wringing my hands without knowing it. My son is just happy go lucky with a brilliant smile in the midwest...ugg...If he gets drafted I will go insane.I'm a mess worrying bout kitty cat.

[mhgaffney]

CIA Rushing Resources to Bin Laden Hunt

March 05, 2007 3:47 PM
Brian Ross Reports:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/images/pakistan3_cia_map_nr.jpg (http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/pakistan3_cia_map_nr.jpg) Armed with fresh intelligence, the CIA is moving additional man power and equipment into Pakistan in the effort to find Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al Zawahri, U.S. officials tell ABC News.
"Reports that the trail has gone stone cold are not correct," said one U.S. official. "We are very much increasing our efforts there," the official said.
People familiar with the CIA operation say undercover officers with paramilitary training have been ordered into Pakistan and the area across the border with Afghanistan as part of the ramp-up.
THE BLOTTER RECOMMENDS


Blotter Afghanistan: U.S. Forces Arrack Suspected al Qaeda Hideout (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/afghanistan_us_.html)
Blotter CIA: Bin Laden in Pakistan Establishing New Camps (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/cia_bin_laden_i.html)
Click Here to Check Out the Latest Brian Ross Slideshows (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/)
Although never publicly acknowledged, Pakistan has permitted CIA teams to secretly operate inside Pakistan.
Pakistan officials say they are aware that CIA teams have increased their presence in northern Waziristan since last September when Pakistan withdrew its troops from the area under a much-criticized "peace deal" with tribal leaders.
Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/)
Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell testified last week that current intelligence "to the best of our knowledge" puts both bin Laden and al Zawahri in Pakistan. It was the first time a high-ranking U.S. official publicly identified Pakistan as bin Laden's hiding place.
Past intelligence has indicated that bin Laden often changed locations in March, traveling to hiding places in the mountains once the snow cover begins to melt.


bin Laden in Pakistan is no secret. The Pakistan government has never controlled the border region with Afghanistan. It's a wild west zone of local militias, smuggling, and the heroin trade. The population is disaffected from and even hostile to Musharrif's government. The fact that Bush is making a push now to get bin Laden shows how desperate the White House is for some kind of victory. Anything to help Bush in the polls.

The Iraq situation is a disaster -- we are smack in the middle of a civil war that we ourselves started. Bush's latest moves of arming Sunnis and blaming Iran for our troubles is madness. We are now completely bereft of leadership. Instead of a government we have a criminal mafia.

I feel for any young man being sent into this debacle to become cannon fodder so the Bush family and their friends can pursue their insane dreams of a global imperium. My heart goes out to the parents.

As for Afghanistan, the real reason we are there is to control the heroin trade -- to insure that the vast profiits are laundered through the big New York banks. Several years ago -- Senator Leahy's judiciary committee discovered that the amount of laundered drug money is staggering -- between $500 billion and a trillion a year. Our nation has become dependent on this drug money -- it's probably the only thing keeping the dollar afloat.

Every time a US soldier dies the Bush family profits. They Bushes are heavily invested in the Carlyle Group -- a consortium of war related industries. This is a national disgrace -- yet the media don't seem to care. They certainly don't report it.

As a nation we have descended into a swamp of corruption and evil -- unlike anything in our history. If Bush attacks Iran it will be a war crime 100 times worse than what we've done to Iraq. God will have no mercy on us.

The only sane move is to pull our troops out -- but this would mean giving up all of that Iraqi oil -- and the profits from the heroin trade. Which is something the neo cons can't bring themselves to do. In fact, we continue building more military bases -- and airstrips --

The world is poised on the brink of an abyss.

[cambrad8085]

I'm about to grab my kid and wife by back of their necks to Canada.

Have fun.. :peace:

[Florida_Bronco]

Secret deployments? World emergency? I hate to say it -- but this sounds like a build up for Bush's next round -- a war against Iran.

I've been warning about this since 2003.

Time to get on our knees and pray for peace.

Maybe it isn't too late.

Don't come in here and start spreading your retarded agenda around here. This lady's son is going to battle it seems, I'm sure the last thing she wants to listen to is your conspiracy theories like mini-nukes being used on 9-11.

Also, if we start sending people into Iran at this early stage of the game, it will be highly secretive units (SEAL team Six, Delta Force...etc) and none of us will know about it until after the fact.

[SoCalBronco]

Come on guys, this is about gunns son, lets not turn it into a political thing, you guys know where that forum is and you can talk about it all day there.

[mhgaffney]

Don't come in here and start spreading your retarded agenda around here.

Also, if we start sending people into Iran at this early stage of the game, it will be highly secretive units (SEAL team Six, Delta Force...etc) and none of us will know about it until after the fact.

For as long as freedom lives I will speak what I know to he the truth. Parents deserve the facts -- not empty talk.

The fact is we are already at war with Iran and have been for many weeks. A war of covert operations and low level conflct. We've been violating Iran's sovereignty for months - overflying their borders. We have used our proxies to terrorize Iran's eastern provinces -- with bombings. And we have been kidnapping Iranian diplomats inside Iraq.

All of these are acts of war -- in violation of international law. We are the aggressor here. In the modern era Iran has never attacked or invaded any of its neighbors.

[Florida_Bronco]

For as long as freedom lives I will speak what I know to he the truth. Parents deserve the facts -- not empty talk.

The fact is we are already at war with Iran and have been for many weeks. A war of covert operations and low level conflct. We've been violating Iran's sovereignty for months - overflying their borders. We have used our proxies to terrorize Iran's eastern provinces -- with bombings. And we have been kidnapping Iranian diplomats inside Iraq.

All of these are acts of war -- in violation of international law. We are the aggressor here. In the modern era Iran has never attacked or invaded any of its neighbors.

I, as well as the mods here, are certainly not going to stand around and let you force this type of poison down Gunns throat in a thread dedicated to her son and his safety.

If you want to post your typical garbage, that's fine, keep it the WRP where the rules of the forum say it belongs.

[Willynowei]

Don't come in here and start spreading your retarded agenda around here. This lady's son is going to battle it seems, I'm sure the last thing she wants to listen to is your conspiracy theories like mini-nukes being used on 9-11.

Agreed. Its like one of those crazy hobos on the street screaming the world's going to end found a computer and learned to type.

[Willynowei]

For as long as freedom lives I will speak what I know to he the truth. Parents deserve the facts -- not empty talk.

The fact is we are already at war with Iran and have been for many weeks. A war of covert operations and low level conflct. We've been violating Iran's sovereignty for months - overflying their borders. We have used our proxies to terrorize Iran's eastern provinces -- with bombings. And we have been kidnapping Iranian diplomats inside Iraq.

All of these are acts of war -- in violation of international law. We are the aggressor here. In the modern era Iran has never attacked or invaded any of its neighbors.

Empty statements without proof or backing are cute, very much like you, just stick to the war and politics forum, thanks.

[gunns]

Thank you to everyone, and I'm counting on those prayers. He has a 6 month old son, a wife, sisters and brothers and a mother who would lose it if something happens to him. That's what mothers do. But I have awe in his confidence, his abilities and his attitude and that's what gives me hope. I'm from a military family, but it doesn't get easier and it's 10 times worse when it's your child.

I can't reveal much about his deployment as I don't even know when he actually is leaving and I wouldn't if I did. I'm a mother though and I guess I just needed someone to talk to about it at this hour. Again, thank you everyone.

[ro_50]

Thank you to everyone, and I'm counting on those prayers. He has a 6 month old son, a wife, sisters and brothers and a mother who would lose it if something happens to him. That's what mothers do. But I have awe in his confidence, his abilities and his attitude and that's what gives me hope. I'm from a military family, but it doesn't get easier and it's 10 times worse when it's your child.

I can't reveal much about his deployment as I don't even know when he actually is leaving and I wouldn't if I did. I'm a mother though and I guess I just needed someone to talk to about it at this hour. Again, thank you everyone.


The ultimate MILE HIGH SALUTE to your son and the rest of the men and women serving our COUNTRY.

[Odysseus]

Thank you for including us in your family.

Please remember the most important thing to anyone away from home is getting back to home. If he is quiet there is a good reason. Access to Internet and phones is not easy for everyone so be patient.

Remind him to send his wife flowers. You can help him with the timing and making sure that you get pictures to send him. He will thank you later.

[Atlas]

It's one of those secret deployments, a "World emergency", where he can't say where he is going, cannot contact anyone here while gone, and we or he knows how long he will be gone. What I've gotten out of his wife is that it is not Iraq but it is somewhere where there are terrorist camps associated with Al Queda. They have changed his takeoff time 3 times moving it up each time. He's not supposed to tell me even that but I threatened him. Mom's do still hold some power.

Remarkably I'm taking this much better than I thought I would. Maybe because I associate the worst place with being Iraq, maybe because he hasn't left yet. I love the fact he's in the military and his view on what he does but I hate the mess Bush has created around the world for our troops. I have a feeling this brave face I'm putting on is going to melt away once he leaves. Sorry, just had to share, mods can move this anywhere they want.
Gunns I love ya Sweetie, your a great woman and I'm sure your son is just awesome. I wish him the best of luck, but if I was you I would vote democrat next year and in the years to come. The war we're in now is unwinable and the only people to blame are the people in power.

[cutthemdown]

The only people to be worried for are the terrorists. Your son is going to kick ass, make you proud, and come home a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CoBear23]

Gunns, my family and I will pray for the safe return for your son and all the U.S. Servicemen and Women.

[Ray Finkle]

I will keep your son in my thoughts....

[Liebs]

For as long as freedom lives I will speak what I know to he the truth. Parents deserve the facts -- not empty talk.

The fact is we are already at war with Iran and have been for many weeks. A war of covert operations and low level conflct. We've been violating Iran's sovereignty for months - overflying their borders. We have used our proxies to terrorize Iran's eastern provinces -- with bombings. And we have been kidnapping Iranian diplomats inside Iraq.

All of these are acts of war -- in violation of international law. We are the aggressor here. In the modern era Iran has never attacked or invaded any of its neighbors.

yes, and Iran's regime is the pilar of morality....

and they definetly haven't been supplying terrorists and insurgents with military grade explosives, amoung other things....

oh yea and the holocaust never happened either

safe journey to your son

[heydensmom]

Gunns, my thoughts and prayers are with your family. If you need anything please DO NOT hesitate to ask. I am the Family Support Group leader for our company. I have resources, although they are limited at my disposal.

One thing I do want to remind everyone is about OPSEC, please pratice this for the sake and safety of our men and women serving. We have many many friends, family members, fellow broncos fans currently deployed. Think of them before you post ANY thing. The internet is a strong tool for gather information, so we must do our part wither you support the war or not. The point is safety, and the hopes that each and everyone of our men and women serving come home. Thanks!

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[Spider]

Thank you to everyone, and I'm counting on those prayers. He has a 6 month old son, a wife, sisters and brothers and a mother who would lose it if something happens to him. That's what mothers do. But I have awe in his confidence, his abilities and his attitude and that's what gives me hope. I'm from a military family, but it doesn't get easier and it's 10 times worse when it's your child.

I can't reveal much about his deployment as I don't even know when he actually is leaving and I wouldn't if I did. I'm a mother though and I guess I just needed someone to talk to about it at this hour. Again, thank you everyone.

I hope your son returns home safe .................
as a father I wouldnt be doing any better right now ............

[Spider]

Empty statements without proof or backing are cute, very much like you, just stick to the war and politics forum, thanks.

Telling people where to post now ...........

[cbs1177]

Hey gunns can't imagine what you are going thru but I will keep you in my nightly prayers. First to keep the kiddo safe and for you and your family along with your son's family. I know it must be harder not being able to send care packages or what not. Any how let me know if you need anything but just remember your gang on the OM is thinking of you and your family in their prayers.

[defenseman]

Secret deployments? World emergency? I hate to say it -- but this sounds like a build up for Bush's next round -- a war against Iran.

I've been warning about this since 2003.

Time to get on our knees and pray for peace.

Maybe it isn't too late.

Ghaff, why are you scaring the crap out of gunns with this conjecture? Gunns, what unit is your son with? .......dman

[heydensmom]

Ghaff, why are you scaring the crap out of gunns with this conjecture? Gunns, what unit is your son with? .......dman

The identity of units planned for deployments is confidential until an
official announcement of the deployment is made.

[Ratboy]

Hope he has fun!

[Odysseus]

The identity of units planned for deployments is confidential until an official announcement of the deployment is made.

Why isn't this common knowledge?

[colosilverado]

It's one of those secret deployments, a "World emergency", where he can't say where he is going, cannot contact anyone here while gone, and we or he knows how long he will be gone. What I've gotten out of his wife is that it is not Iraq but it is somewhere where there are terrorist camps associated with Al Queda. They have changed his takeoff time 3 times moving it up each time. He's not supposed to tell me even that but I threatened him. Mom's do still hold some power.

Remarkably I'm taking this much better than I thought I would. Maybe because I associate the worst place with being Iraq, maybe because he hasn't left yet. I love the fact he's in the military and his view on what he does but I hate the mess Bush has created around the world for our troops. I have a feeling this brave face I'm putting on is going to melt away once he leaves. Sorry, just had to share, mods can move this anywhere they want.

Best wishes to you, your family and your son. Let your son know that we all appreciate what he is doing and we wish him a safe return.
God bless all of those that stand in harm's way, be it here or abroad. This country was founded on the backs of giants and your son is no different.
I can't imagine how I'd feel sending one of my children into harm's way. Selfishly, I hope I never do. I'm sure you feel some pride and your son is obviously someone you can be proud of. In a way, we're all proud.
I'll just come out and say THANK YOU to him and all of our boys and gals who serve. 99.99% will never read this post or know how many of us are truly thankful for what they do. We don't know all of the sacrifices they make for us.....even the little things.

God's speed!

[defenseman]

Why isn't this common knowledge?

Not in all cases, however, let me rephrase the question. Gunns what service is your son with and what is his specialty?...dman

[broncoblue]

all the best ,i dont pray no more but hes in my thoughts

[colosilverado]

For as long as freedom lives I will speak what I know to he the truth. Parents deserve the facts -- not empty talk.

The fact is we are already at war with Iran and have been for many weeks. A war of covert operations and low level conflct. We've been violating Iran's sovereignty for months - overflying their borders. We have used our proxies to terrorize Iran's eastern provinces -- with bombings. And we have been kidnapping Iranian diplomats inside Iraq.

All of these are acts of war -- in violation of international law. We are the aggressor here. In the modern era Iran has never attacked or invaded any of its neighbors.


...and how do you know your rhetoric is the truth? What you perceive to be the truth is based on what? Frankly, I don't give one hoot what we do to secure a better future for my family and my kids. I will never forget 9/11 (I am sure you'll yap to me about what you think happened) and I do not care what we do to nip it in the bud.....where ever terrorism is seeding itself. You can yap about the legality of the events going on all you want. Fact is, this kind of stuff has been happening for generations and will continue to. I've got news for you, we aren't the only ones. Go get on your high horse and yap about other places it happens. Clinton had our military serve under the UN....which is unconstitutional as hell. Where were you then? It is okay for certain people to take actions that are illegal or unconsitutional, but not others? Right......
I'm sure you'll go out and find a bunch of 'evidence' to support your position and to degrade mine. Go ahead. It won't mean a thing to me. Nobody knows the truth behind this nation's dealings. There is merely speculation and politcal posturing to advance agendas.
We've been at war with Iran and other states/nations for freakin' ever. You conveniently draw the line for your own agenda and say it is just starting, but I guaranfrickintee you it has been going on with Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, even Saudi for a looong time. I am glad that it happens. You care about the rights of others more than you do your fellow Americans.

[bendog]

Prayers for your family.

[HEAV]

I hope returns safe & healthy and stay where he belongs in the U.S.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Prayers and wishes for the safety of your son and all others who serve to protect us. Please tell him thank you for us all.

[Atlas]

all the best ,i dont pray no more but hes in my thoughts

Come on Blue, you trying to tell me Brett Farve is facing a 4th and 6 from the Broncos 35 yard line and with the Super Bowl on the line you didn't drop a quick prayer in??

[rbackfactory80]

Keep you head up Gunns and stay positive. It has to be a tough situation for a parent and I wish him and your family the best.

[bronco610]

May God keep and protect and watch over your son and bring him back safely to you.

[Old Dude]

Ditto. We'll all keep him in our thoughts.

[Dudeskey]

All the best to your son. I have a good friend who's been in the Marines for about 5 months... he's currently doing some sort of counter-insurgency training & I'm pretty sure he'll be out there within the next 6 months or so.

[C130Herkload]

Best of Luck to him downrange. I wish him and his unit all the best.
Ill be leaving for that area in about a month until September or so. Ive been three times (five mos a pop) in the past 2 1/2 yrs and its a real treat I assure you. Please give those of us serving a thought once in a while and know that we are still on duty serving as required. Have a great summer and avoid the heat (I know i will...)


and Go Broncos! Ill be back just in time for the season to start....

[bloodsunday]

Tell your son thank you for supporting our country.

My thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family.

[mhgaffney]

Ghaff, why are you scaring the crap out of gunns with this conjecture? Gunns, what unit is your son with? .......dman

Why? Because it's the truth -- not conjecture.

Here is the piece I posted in 2003 -- as Bush was invading a nation that never attacked us and posed no danger. That is the definition of an illegal war -- a war crime.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3288.htm

BTW I am not anti military. I come from a military family myself. My father was a full bird Col in the USAF. And my brother went to the USAF Academy and before his retirement rose to be a full Col.

[sirhcyennek81]

Why isn't this common knowledge?


So our enemies dont know where they are going until they get there. Also, prayers for your son, Gunns. I have had a dad, brother and now brother #2 head for the Marines, and eventually Iraq.


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Why? Because it's the truth -- not conjecture.

Here is the piece I posted in 2003 -- as Bush was invading a nation that never attacked us and posed no danger. That is the definition of an illegal war -- a war crime.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3288.htm

BTW I am not anti military. I come from a military family myself. My father was a full bird Col in the USAF. And my brother went to the USAF Academy and before his retirement rose to be a full Col.


All wars are illegal, saying so doesnt make it more true.


:Broncos:

[orangeatheist]

I'm not a praying man, gunns, but without a doubt I hope your son is going to be ok. Rest assured that his training has prepared him for what he is about to face.

All of our men and women in the military are our heroes. I salute each and everyone of them.

[Sean]

I'm looking forward to reading the "My son has returned and I'm giving him a big fat bear-hug!" thread. That will be a joyous day.

[Bronx33]

He will be fine gunns hes with the finest crew in the world, my family went through 3 deployments of one family member with the 1/7, you know the routine. (Iam sooo proud of your boy it hurts)

[Broncojef]

It's one of those secret deployments, a "World emergency", where he can't say where he is going, cannot contact anyone here while gone, and we or he knows how long he will be gone. What I've gotten out of his wife is that it is not Iraq but it is somewhere where there are terrorist camps associated with Al Queda. They have changed his takeoff time 3 times moving it up each time. He's not supposed to tell me even that but I threatened him. Mom's do still hold some power.

Remarkably I'm taking this much better than I thought I would. Maybe because I associate the worst place with being Iraq, maybe because he hasn't left yet. I love the fact he's in the military and his view on what he does but I hate the mess Bush has created around the world for our troops. I have a feeling this brave face I'm putting on is going to melt away once he leaves. Sorry, just had to share, mods can move this anywhere they want.

I've gone through this many times myself and can tell you the military is its own family and rest assured he'll be with the best people in the world. Continue to write and send packages!!! Some days after seeing the world fall apart a simple letter from home gives you the strength to carry-on. If there is anything we in Bronco Country can help with let us know. I believe everyone should serve the US military to be a citizen here, your son will be in my prayers.

[fido]

heydensmom.....absolutely right

gunns......props to your son and trust in his training

[TailgateNut]

I believe everyone should serve the US military to be a citizen here, your son will be in my prayers.


Now there's a motion I'll second.

Gunns, a salute to your son, may he come home safe!

[watermock]

It's the complete cowardice of the Iraqi's that is perplexing us.

[TailgateNut]

It's the complete cowardice that is perplexing us.

...and this is in response to ???...or are you just belching words this AM?

[Odysseus]

So our enemies dont know where they are going until they get there. Also, prayers for your son, Gunns. I have had a dad, brother and now brother #2 head for the Marines, and eventually Iraq.


:Broncos:

I actually get it. My amazement is how many times I have to re explain it.

I love the "just got back from Iraq" threads. Those are celebrations. You come back to things you've spent a lot of time thinking about and the coffee in your own kitchen cannot taste any better than it does.

[Odysseus]

...and this is in response to ???...or are you just belching words this AM?

Mock has never understood the book "Art of war". The Cleary version spells it out plainly. I think that sould be mandatory reading for any war fighter as well the book "The Art of Peace". (Moriehi Ueshiba) I think it's more important than "The Five Rings." One of the things anyone travelling should do is carry a good book. It helps to calm the mind.

[broncoblue]

Come on Blue, you trying to tell me Brett Farve is facing a 4th and 6 from the Broncos 35 yard line and with the Super Bowl on the line you didn't drop a quick prayer in??

no...just chugged my beer and shut my eyes and my dad did the praying and then my ex prayed me to shut the hell up at 4am hahaah

[milehimike]

Best of luck to your son, and to you,stay calm and be strong for him. Heros are every mothers son. I am proud there are men with honor among us all. And your son is one of them. He has my thanks and support. Being a jarhead and doing my time in Nam, I will always stand behind our military. Be safe, dude.:thumbs:

[Willynowei]

Telling people where to post now ...........

If i see someone pissing on a water fountain, i'd tell him to take that to the bathroom... If you know Mcgaffney's post history you'd know his agendas, which is certainly not healthy for a thread about wishing someone's son well.

[telluride]

Be safe.

[Natedog24]

Best of luck to you Gunns, and your son, may he be home unscathed soon.

[Hogan11]

Best of luck to you Gunns, and your son, may he be home unscathed soon.

Absolutely....he's hoping his time deployed goes quickly, and safely.

[sirhcyennek81]

Now there's a motion I'll second.

Gunns, a salute to your son, may he come home safe!



Que Starship Troopers music...


:Broncos:

[mhgaffney]

If i see someone pissing on a water fountain, i'd tell him to take that to the bathroom... If you know Mcgaffney's post history you'd know his agendas, which is certainly not healthy for a thread about wishing someone's son well.

I've stated my views often. Anyone can go look at my web site.
http://www.gnosticsecrets.com/

I'm an unrepentant peace activist.

Guys like you can't handle peace. You have to blame foreign enemies -- instead of facing the painful truths about our own nation.

The very idea of peace is threatening to you. The fact you have to attack the messenger only shows how bankrupt your values are.

[sirhcyennek81]

I've stated my views often. Anyone can go look at my web site.
http://www.gnosticsecrets.com/

I'm an unrepentant peace activist.

Guys like you can't handle peace. You have to blame foreign enemies -- instead of facing the painful truths about our own nation.

The very idea of peace is threatening to you. The fact you have to attack the messenger only shows how bankrupt your values are.


So you go by the maxim living on your knees is better then dying on your feet?


:Broncos:

[lazarus4444]

I hope your son stays safe and kicks some serious ass!

[Spider]

If i see someone pissing on a water fountain, i'd tell him to take that to the bathroom... If you know Mcgaffney's post history you'd know his agendas, which is certainly not healthy for a thread about wishing someone's son well.
I see so you are the one that decides what is or isnt good in a thread ...... I didnt get the memo .........

[Florida_Bronco]

I see so you are the one that decides what is or isnt good in a thread ...... I didnt get the memo .........

I think it's common courtesy that when someone creates a thread like this, you don't come in and start spewing conspiracy theories and anything that could worry Gunns anymore that she already is. Judging by the comment Gunns left me, she agrees.

[Spider]

I think it's common courtesy that when someone creates a thread like this, you don't come in and start spewing conspiracy theories and anything that could worry Gunns anymore that she already is. Judging by the comment Gunns left me, she agrees.

of course , I am not saying what Ghaff did was right , I am just taking up the fact that willy told Ghaff to stay in the WRP forum .......... not once have I said Ghaff was right , but who am I to piss on a good rant.......I really dont want ot hijack this thread , we could take this up somewhere else

[Willynowei]

I see so you are the one that decides what is or isnt good in a thread ...... I didnt get the memo .........

LOL. The thread is about someone sending off their son to war, and a poster comes in here with conspiracy theories that would inevitably hijack the original topic.

I tell him to take it to the war and politics forum which is designed for this stuff, and you've got a problem with that...

If thats not ironic I don't know what is.

[Rock Chalk]

So you go by the maxim living on your knees is better then dying on your feet?


:Broncos:

Isnt that the gay maxim too?

[sirhcyennek81]

Isnt that the gay maxim too?



No...the gay maxim involves laying on your back and fluffy handcuffs...Hilarious!


:Broncos:

[Rock Chalk]

No...the gay maxim involves laying on your back and fluffy handcuffs...Hilarious!


:Broncos:

That's disturbing.

[sirhcyennek81]

That's disturbing.


Well, you asked.


:Broncos:

[Rock Chalk]

Rhetorically.

[sirhcyennek81]

Rhetorically.


Ahh.

:Broncos:

[mhgaffney]

LOL. The thread is about someone sending off their son to war, and a poster comes in here with conspiracy theories that would inevitably hijack the original topic.

I tell him to take it to the war and politics forum which is designed for this stuff, and you've got a problem with that...

If thats not ironic I don't know what is.

Since when is it a conspiracy theory to speak the truth about US foreign policy?

The thousands of Americans who have already died in Iraq were not defending freedom. They died in a war of unprovoked aggression so that Bush and his cronies (the New York bankers and oil magnates) can continue to control the world's oil supply. What does that have to do with protecting freedom? Nothing.

And that's the answer. Those brave soldiers died for nothing. It's hard to face but it's the truth. And it's just plain foolishness to try and pretend otherwise.

[cutthemdown]

geeze she just wanted some well wishes for her son. Why turn it into if you agree with the war or not? Or if govt is evil etc etc. Besides we all know the people on this board that are totally agianst the war. Not like there was anything new on that.

[Odysseus]

This type of behaviour should not be tolerated especially over something as simple as a mother's concern over her child. Don't dump the thread. Dump the poster. There is no such thing as an aggressive peace advocate. That makes this person a scam and lier.

[colosilverado]

Since when is it a conspiracy theory to speak the truth about US foreign policy?

The thousands of Americans who have already died in Iraq were not defending freedom. They died in a war of unprovoked aggression so that Bush and his cronies (the New York bankers and oil magnates) can continue to control the world's oil supply. What does that have to do with protecting freedom? Nothing.

And that's the answer. Those brave soldiers died for nothing. It's hard to face but it's the truth. And it's just plain foolishness to try and pretend otherwise.

Those brave soliders have died fighting for what they believe in, THIS EFFING COUNTRY, you moron. If you listen to most of the soldiers that have been wounded, they'd do it all over again.
They have died killing people who would love to kill us. That makes them ACES in my books and most everyone else's. You go into the military knowing that you might have to fight. You go into a fight knowing you might die. I do not care why they are really over there. Of course, I don't like to see our guys get hurt or die. They signed up for it though. You don't go into the Marines, the infantry or most forces expecting to play paddycake.
I hope that her son brings back mannnny Tango scalps. I don't give a crap what the politics are behind it. As long as we have guys who want to whack these people, let them hunt and have fun. Hell, I'd say give them a reward for each scalp they bring back. Ahhhh, I sense a ban coming on for me.

[sirhcyennek81]

Since when is it a conspiracy theory to speak the truth about US foreign policy?

The thousands of Americans who have already died in Iraq were not defending freedom. They died in a war of unprovoked aggression so that Bush and his cronies (the New York bankers and oil magnates) can continue to control the world's oil supply. What does that have to do with protecting freedom? Nothing.

And that's the answer. Those brave soldiers died for nothing. It's hard to face but it's the truth. And it's just plain foolishness to try and pretend otherwise.


You must be a sad little man. This is also the wrong forum to state your obvious views on the Iraq war.


:Broncos:

[Mtbrncofn]

My prayers are with your son for his safe return back to you and his family, Gunns.

[freak6]

The Taliban doesn't know what they are getting into in Afghanistan if they ramp up as they have claimed they are.

[Willynowei]

Since when is it a conspiracy theory to speak the truth about US foreign policy?

The thousands of Americans who have already died in Iraq were not defending freedom. They died in a war of unprovoked aggression so that Bush and his cronies (the New York bankers and oil magnates) can continue to control the world's oil supply. What does that have to do with protecting freedom? Nothing.

And that's the answer. Those brave soldiers died for nothing. It's hard to face but it's the truth. And it's just plain foolishness to try and pretend otherwise.

If you really believe that then you are a fool and I don't argue with fools, I ignore them. You'll have to do better than that do drag me into your crap.

[Vegas_Bronco]

This type of behaviour should not be tolerated especially over something as simple as a mother's concern over her child. Don't dump the thread. Dump the poster. There is no such thing as an aggressive peace advocate. That makes this person a scam and lier.

AGREED - If you don't understand the scope of the topic/thread, don't even open it - just keep to yourself, ingest more self-hate and the contempt for people around you!

[colosilverado]

Gunns, again, I wish your son a safe journey and I hope that you and yours get the support you need and deserve here at home. I hope you get to at least take some pride in that you have a kid that you can be proud of. Not that if he wasn't in the military, you couldn't be proud. It is just that he has more guts than most of us in this world have. That says something about him right there. Soldiers, police officers, firemen/women. These people don't get the thanks that they deserve. I don't care how much we heap upon them...it isn't enough thanks. If there is anything any of us can do for you, let us know. PM. Whatever. All we can really do is offer a shoulder or maybe some help with care packages. Does he need anything or can you even get stuff to him? If you need to vent or just talk about him with us, do so. Sometimes if you tell stories about the person you care about or are worried about, it helps you feel better.
Just some thoughts! Take them for what they're worth! Take care!!!:thumbs:

[Spider]

Bump ...........

[Spider]

This thread should be a sticky in my opinion .........