Kerney to Seattle

[ChampBailey24]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789120
Now lets get graham

[2KBack]

probably overpayed, and DT is a bigger need anyway. Are there DT's we could throw that money at?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Well poop

[SureShot]

Charles Johnson at 21 then.

I'm glad we didn't overpay.

[theAPAOps5]

Kearney confirmed it to Foxsports.com and Shefter is reporting it. Damn his contract was huge from what is being reported. Too much in my opinion. GET DAN GRAHAM NOW

[ChampBailey24]

its ok all we need to do now is get DG and draft some DT's DE's and safetys maybe a WR

[theAPAOps5]

The deal includes a whopping $19.5 million in guaranteed money. The average value is $6.58 million per year.


That is what PFT is reporting damn that is too much I think.

[BroncoMatt]

I'd rather have DG in his prime than PK in the twilight

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That's it? That's right around Kelsay's per year average. I would have thought his per year average would have been up around $8M per year considering he's actually done something in the NFL and Kelsay hasn't.

[SpringStein]

Agree on signing Graham, OR lock up Bly long term.

[ChampBailey24]

I'd rather have DG in his prime than PK in the twilight

amen

[BroncoInferno]

Nearly $20 million in guarneteed money for a 30 year old DE with 11 sacks the last two seasons. No thanks. Step the offer up to Graham, then go help the DL in the draft.

[theAPAOps5]

That's it? That's right around Kelsay's per year average. I would have thought his per year average would have been up around $8M per year considering he's actually done something in the NFL and Kelsay hasn't.


I read it as the average is 6.58 and his is higher. Will have to do some math but still that much guranteed money for someone who has peaked is a little much.

EDIT: NEVER MIND I AM RETARDED IT IS 6.58 per/yr

[Broncos24]

I would rather have Graham than Kerney in Free Agency. Get Graham then draft DE/DT/S.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I like Kerney but this is a blessing in disguise. Too many guys in the locker room would have been thinking, "He makes how much? He ain't that fricking good."

[youcandoit1687]

I knew he would be overpriced. I'm afraid Graham will be too but hopefully we throw nearly all of our remaining cap room at him. $4 million per still seems somewhat reasonable but I would be ok with a little more. What did Shiancoe get...5-18?

[Garcia Bronco]

20 mill up front???? LMAO..totally out of our league. He's not worth that much IMO. Wish we could gave gotten him.

[SoDak Bronco]

ahwell, it was a good run we gave him. Denver knew we couldn't get both Graham and Kerney, hopefully we can get dg.

[footstepsfrom#27]

probably overpayed, and DT is a bigger need anyway. Are there DT's we could throw that money at?
Great idea!

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper410/stills/684e24fu.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

John Clayton wrote that Kerney told Seattle and Denver that he would make his decision on the flight from Seattle to Atlanta. When he landed he informed Seattle he was signing with them. Know what he was flying on, Paul Allens private jet. Bowlen still charters planes for himself. FFS Bowlen buy a jet!

Still he was overpriced.

[(Jae)]

There's a report they also agreed to terms with Graham already.............announcement Tuesday morning.

If that happens we're the Seahawks b*tches............

[cabronco]

Nearly $20 million in guarneteed money for a 30 year old DE with 11 sacks the last two seasons. No thanks. Step the offer up to Graham, then go help the DL in the draft.

Exactly. Lets get Graham and I will be a happy camper. Then focus the 1st day draft on D-line !

[Rascal]

Where did you hear that (JAE)?

[BroncoInferno]

There's a report they also agreed to terms with Graham already.............announcement Tuesday morning.

Son of a bitch. Source? Hell, we probably should not have even wasted our time given how tight against the cap we were. On to the draft, I guess.

[theAPAOps5]

There's a report they also agreed to terms with Graham already.............announcement Tuesday morning.

If that happens we're the Seahawks b*tches............

Link it because the same John Clayton article that reports the Kerney signing reports that the Broncos and Seattle will resume negotiations Tuesday. If they signed him they would have announced it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789120

The winner was Seattle, but now another battle brews. The Seahawks and Broncos enter into negotiations Tuesday with New England Patriots tight end Daniel Graham.

[-Slap-]

There's a report they also agreed to terms with Graham already.............announcement Tuesday morning.

If that happens we're the Seahawks b*tches............

Not really. There will be some veterans who will be released in the coming weeks, like Travis Henry was, and we'll have money to acquire a couple.

[theAPAOps5]

There is no report that they signed Graham with an announcement on Tuesday. If they signed him they would have announced it.

[Ratboy]

What the hell is our FO doing?

Here are the events which have taken place:

1. We trade for a Pro Bowl Corner who doesn't want to play for us.
2. Denver says they won't let Graham or Kerney leave without a contract signed, they leave.
3. We let the Texans have Green and we give 12 million to a drug addict.
4. Kerney and Graham sign with Seattle.

We're looking like a bunch of retards.

Welcome back Bronco Billy.

[theAPAOps5]

Graham hasn't signed and Travis Henry was a great signing. Thank God they didn't waste a draft pick on over rated McGahee. And Bly is only speculation.

[maven]

John Clayton wrote that Kerney told Seattle and Denver that he would make his decision on the flight from Seattle to Atlanta. When he landed he informed Seattle he was signing with them. Know what he was flying on, Paul Allens private jet. Bowlen still charters planes for himself. FFS Bowlen buy a jet!

Still he was overpriced.

Paul Allen was co-founder of Microsoft. The Broncos are a first class organization, but nowhere near Allen's money.

[BroncoBen]

Good... good for Kerney and good for the Broncos. The Seahawks overpaid Kerney and the Broncos dodged a bullet of disappointment.

Now if Graham can get so lucky... hopefully the Seahawks overpay him as well, and the Broncos can develope the talent they have at TE.

I was disappointed to see the Cowboys sign Brad Johnson instead of the Broncos, I did think he could have taught Cutler a thing or two.

I love the Dre Bly move, I don't think he is as unhappy as the Redskins fans want to make us belive. I also think signing Travis Henry is going to prove to be a huge move for the Broncos.

[Rascal]

LOL @ Ratboy.

[SureShot]

What the hell is our FO doing?

Here are the events which have taken place:

1. We trade for a Pro Bowl Corner who doesn't want to play for us.
2. Denver says they won't let Graham or Kerney leave without a contract signed, they leave.
3. We let the Texans have Green and we give 12 million to a drug addict.
4. Kerney and Graham sign with Seattle.

We're looking like a bunch of retards.

Welcome back Bronco Billy.


Drug addict?

Don't be so dramatic. We know you wanted McGahee, but we couldn't fit all his bastards on the plane.

Enjoy the signing, Henry will be very productive.

[theAPAOps5]

Paul Allen was co-founder of Microsoft. The Broncos are a first class organization, but nowhere near Allen's money.

I know who Paul Allen is. He is the guy who really invented Microsoft. Bowlen's money comes from Oil. His family has tons of wells up in Canada. He has plenty of money he just doesn't want the hassle of a flight department.

[DomCasual]

I hope the Seahawks go 4-12 next year, and it never stops raining there. And I hope the Space Needle gets rusty.

[chaz]

There's a report they also agreed to terms with Graham already.............announcement Tuesday morning.

If that happens we're the Seahawks b*tches............

say it aint so...

[BroncoInferno]

We know you wanted McGahee, but we couldn't fit all his bastards on the plane.

LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious!

[broncswin]

I hope the Seahawks go 4-12 next year, and it never stops raining there. And I hope the Space Needle gets rusty.

LOL .....................Hilarious! You hope the space needle gets rusty, that is good stuff right there ^5

[bpc]

wow, some guys are being dramatic on here.

Who cares about Kerney. Are we really that broke up about a guy that struggled to get about 10 sacks in two seasons? He is going to get paid over six million a year technically in base (theory of the contract although it will work out differently) and about 19 million in a signing bonus.

I know we need help but more than anything else, we need to devote our time during this offseason to scouting quality line prospects on both sides and building through the draft.

I can think of a bunch of guys in the draft that can be as good or better than Kerney. This guy was hard core reach that we wanted for the pure stat of signing somebody. I'm almost overjoyed that we missed the boat.

Where is Grant Wistrom from a few years ago? Seattle signed him to a bloated contract and his high stature has notched him 11.5 sacks over three years with Seattle. I expect Kerney will do about the same.

No loss here. Lets focus on getting some more weapons for Cutler as there is a little bit of depth there on the offensive side of the ball and then go full bore on the defense during the draft.

I'll be out at the Cal pro day tomorrow. I'll let you all know how my boy Brandon Mebane does. ;)

[rovolution]

$19 mil in bonuses? Im glad we didnt pay that. Shanahan would have never gave him that kind of contract and we all know it.


Now focus on Graham. Daniel, Colorado, your home. its time. COME BACK HOME DANIEL.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

What the hell is our FO doing?

Here are the events which have taken place:

1. We trade for a Pro Bowl Corner who doesn't want to play for us.
2. Denver says they won't let Graham or Kerney leave without a contract signed, they leave.
3. We let the Texans have Green and we give 12 million to a drug addict.
4. Kerney and Graham sign with Seattle.

We're looking like a bunch of retards.

Welcome back Bronco Billy.

1) Everything about Bly is just speculation at this point -- but consider the worse case scenario is ione where we end up having to trade Bly. Remember how little we actually gave up? So how badly can this really turn out (that is, trading Bly)

2) All we can do is offer Kerney & Graham the contracts -- they are free to shop us -- which is what they did.

3) If both Green & Henry were the same age and past injuries were not a consideration -- then I would agree with. Unfortunately, we are not -- and all of those factors must be wieghed in. Henry was a smart signing.

4) We still do not know for sure about Graham (although I suspect he will be a Seahawk) -- I still am not upset. Seattle had more cap room; had already non-tendered their TE from the last few seasons (Jeremy Stevens); and not to mention Paul Allen is one of the wealthiest 6 or 7 people on the Globe. So let Seattle over pay -- the sky is not falling and there is still a great deal of work to be done

[Willynowei]

under 7 million a year for Kerney would've been a great pickup for Denver regardless. The problem with that contract was that it extended over 6 years and probably a lot of the guaranteed money is towards the back end of the contract. I doubt Kerney will be effective for more than 3 years.

[theAPAOps5]

Well said BPC. Kerney was way over payed than what his true value can be. Sadly the Seahags may do the same thing with Graham. Truth is neither is really worth drastically overpaying. We would be better off spending that money on the draft. I would love to get Graham but I don't want to break the bank on him either.

[TallyBronco]

Seattle locked in a good DE for several years of great DE money. Maybe they'll get lucky and get a Pro Bowl year out of PK. But with our cap issues, that contract would have been a huge overpay for Denver. We still might find someone via draft or cuts as good as PK for 20-30% the salary.

[watermock]

Paul Allen was co-founder of Microsoft. The Broncos are a first class organization, but nowhere near Allen's money.

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates owned the team. The cap is the cap. Denver is always trying to manage cap money, not save it. WTF are you talking about?

Other than a last ditch effort at Graham, we are basically done.

[theAPAOps5]

Remember last year we were all hot and bothered with John Abraham. He had injury issues as well. Look what happened to him.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

wow, some guys are being dramatic on here.

Who cares about Kerney. Are we really that broke up about a guy that struggled to get about 10 sacks in two seasons? He is going to get paid over six million a year technically in base (theory of the contract although it will work out differently) and about 19 million in a signing bonus.

I know we need help but more than anything else, we need to devote our time during this offseason to scouting quality line prospects on both sides and building through the draft.

I can think of a bunch of guys in the draft that can be as good or better than Kerney. This guy was hard core reach that we wanted for the pure stat of signing somebody. I'm almost overjoyed that we missed the boat.

Where is Grant Wistrom from a few years ago? Seattle signed him to a bloated contract and his high stature has notched him 11.5 sacks over three years with Seattle. I expect Kerney will do about the same.

No loss here. Lets focus on getting some more weapons for Cutler as there is a little bit of depth there on the offensive side of the ball and then go full bore on the defense during the draft.

I'll be out at the Cal pro day tomorrow. I'll let you all know how my boy Brandon Mebane does. ;)

:thumbs: Right on the money!

[BombsOverBaghdad]

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates owned the team. The cap is the cap. Denver is always trying to manage cap money, not save it. WTF are you talking about?

Other than a last ditch effort at Graham, we are basically done.

What he is talking about is Allen's ability to fund ANY size signing bonus in very quick order

[TallyBronco]

At the end of the year, the irate posts here are going to look silly. Losing Kerney and Graham do not make this offseason a failure. PK is being overrated by the brief feeding frenzy of free agency. Graham is a very good TE but he's not even close to Gonzo or Gates level, so it would be ridiculous to throw that kind of money at him. TE is not our biggest area of need by any means, so it's not a huge loss. We need more DL help, but let's see what happens in the draft.

[(Jae)]

There is no report that they signed Graham with an announcement on Tuesday. If they signed him they would have announced it.

I didnt mean "Official", I meant someone "reported" this..........
Caplan from Scout.com's Inside guy, who also broke the Kerney signing.
I'll post the link when its up............

[Barry Ramey]

Kerney would have been nice to have, but Seattle just offered more. Not like losing Kerney ends the season for the Broncos already either. Just goes to show if you want to have good DL, then draft and develop your own so not having to look to overpay for guys who may not be worth it in the long run.

They will probably still look for a vet DE, but not one that will cost much and of course, look to get a couple in the draft.

Graham would be nice to get so could dump Alexander who is only average, but if Seattle wants to throw a ton of money at him, well, that's life.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

At the end of the year, the irate posts here are going to look silly. Losing Kerney and Graham do not make this offseason a failure. PK is being overrated by the brief feeding frenzy of free agency. Graham is a very good TE but he's not even close to Gonzo or Gates level, so it would be ridiculous to throw that kind of money at him. TE is not our biggest area of need by any means, so it's not a huge loss. We need more DL help, but let's see what happens in the draft.

You and I see this the same -- we need to let all of the happenings of the next few monthes play out

[watermock]

What he is talking about is Allen's ability to fund ANY size signing bonus in very quick order

And Denver can't like cap restrainnts don't exist? WTF escapes you people? If the cap wen to 200 million Bowlen would got up against it. An owner doesn't have the ability to fund ANY size signing bonux whatsoever. Go to remedial math class.

[theAPAOps5]

Well that sucks if it happens but again if he is getting way over paid then so be it. Its not worth killing our already strained cap over both these guys.

[chaz]

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates owned the team. The cap is the cap. Denver is always trying to manage cap money, not save it. WTF are you talking about?

Other than a last ditch effort at Graham, we are basically done.

we still need a backup qb...we're not done yet.

[chaz]

Remember last year we were all hot and bothered with John Abraham. He had injury issues as well. Look what happened to him.

pk doesnt have injuyr issues....he had one injury...

[BombsOverBaghdad]

And Denver can't like cap restrainnts don't exist? WTF escapes you people? If the cap wen to 200 million Bowlen would got up against it. An owner doesn't have the ability to fund ANY size signing bonux whatsoever. Go to remedial math class.

Right after you take the beginning spelling class. Save the insulting jabs Mock.

Look, my point is simple -- money is never an obstacle for a Paul Allen owned team and that is not the case for other owners

[Kaylore]

LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious!

Yeah. I forgot how ridiculous people get around here during free agency. There were people who wrote the entire off-season, including the draft, off as a waste around this same time a year ago when we didn't sign every single defensive lineman.

We've signed a running back and filled our need at corner. There are enough defensive linemen in the draft this year that we should be able to fill that need.

The Hawks will overpay for Graham. We have Scheffler.

[baja]

I am actually glad Seattle over paid for kerney that gives then less cap room and has to give them pause about giving another huge guaranteed contract, they do have to consider cap hell down the road so the distance of what the Broncos can offer and what the Seahawks can offer just got smaller with the home town advantage we might have a shot. Enjoy the 30 year old Kerney Seaducks. Come home Graham.

[theAPAOps5]

I didnt mean "Official", I meant someone "reported" this..........
Caplan from Scout.com's Inside guy, who also broke the Kerney signing.
I'll post the link when its up............


Cool (Jae) I see what you mean now. Actually I went digging and found what you are refering too. Here is a post I found through scout.com on the seahawks site. You have to be a premium member so I can't post the link but here is what it says:

The Seahawks told Graham's agent that today was the day for getting Kerney done. Seattle and Denver will submit their offers tomorrow, and expect Seattle's to be higher. Graham could very well be a Seahawk as early as tomorrow afternoon.

Oh, and this is all per Adam Caplan, just in case anyone else wants to accuse me of "fabricating".


If that is the case then this coincides with what Dans Dads Barber told a member here that we can't quite meet what Dan is looking for. O'well we still answered some needs and have 4 picks on day one in the draft.

[DomCasual]

I think Adam Caplan is a pompous ass. I listen to him on NFL Radio every now and again. He might be right about Graham and Seattle, but he will still be a pompous ass.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If the Seahawks are offering more, it's a deal that averages more than $5.5M per year, which is what Denver put on the table.

[Kaylore]

Kerney would have been nice to have, but Seattle just offered more. Not like losing Kerney ends the season for the Broncos already either. Just goes to show if you want to have good DL, then draft and develop your own so not having to look to overpay for guys who may not be worth it in the long run.

They will probably still look for a vet DE, but not one that will cost much and of course, look to get a couple in the draft.

Graham would be nice to get so could dump Alexander who is only average, but if Seattle wants to throw a ton of money at him, well, that's life.
I hope everyone reads this post.

[bpc]

This just in, Elvis Dumervil will notch more sacks next season than Kerney.

NO BIG LOSS!

Seattle will be paying Kerney a million for every sack he gets. I doubt he gets more than 6 or 7.

[rubaiyat]

It doesn't matter if Bill Gates owned the team. The cap is the cap. Denver is always trying to manage cap money, not save it. WTF are you talking about?

Other than a last ditch effort at Graham, we are basically done.

They are talking about Bowlen getting a personal plane...not spending on FA.

[azbroncfan]

What the hell is our FO doing?

Here are the events which have taken place:

1. We trade for a Pro Bowl Corner who doesn't want to play for us.
2. Denver says they won't let Graham or Kerney leave without a contract signed, they leave.
3. We let the Texans have Green and we give 12 million to a drug addict.
4. Kerney and Graham sign with Seattle.

We're looking like a bunch of retards.

Welcome back Bronco Billy.

Why are you confused as the teams above mentioned have a lot more money and that will almost always prevail.

[Requiem]

This just in, Elvis Dumervil will notch more sacks next season than Kerney.

NO BIG LOSS!

Seattle will be paying Kerney a million for every sack he gets. I doubt he gets more than 6 or 7.

I don't think people questioned that, but as an all around defensive end it's likely that Kerney offers more, especially at LDE where we have a huge void.

It's no big loss to me.

[bpc]

If we are in that big of a need at LDE ( which I agree, we need a bunch of help all along the line) then we should just flip a pick somewhere and make sure we can land Carriker. He has way more potential than Kerney at this point in his career, hasn't even scratched the surface of what he can do and will roughly be a 1/5 the cost for the next four or five seasons.

I'm sure the FO has already thought of this.

I'm going into the draft hoping we can pull down a big play safety and lots of line help on both sides... primarily though on the DL. Any combination of Carriker, Griffin, Nelson, Bazuin, Mebane, Harrell or now with our fat body theory, Tank Tyler would make me excited.

FA with the OL/DL is a joke. The only guys that ever get out are washed up scrubs that want top dollar. I think Kerney easily fits into that category.

[azbroncfan]

News to everyone...Quality YOUNG in their PRIME DL do not reach FA market without being franchised. Any DL on the market has some sort of issues and are very expensive for the return.

[Requiem]

I agree. I think if Denver is ever serious about addressing this line, they'll do it this year. Instant improvements on the defensive end position probably go through the fourth round and I'm not even joking. Defensive tackle not so much, but there are 5-6 guys that I think would be instant upgrades here too and could potentially start.

Hoping Mebane doesn't impress too much tomorrow because I'd love to see him here. Just question the fit. My only hope is Denver gets two prospects on the line in this draft, gets an offensive lineman and a safety.

Sixth and seventh round picks? Who knows. Maybe you can find value at receiver in a deep class and get a returner and maybe there will be another kid to groom at running back or so, maybe an underheralded project with some potential to return as well. Wolfe maybe?

Enjoy your Pro Day at Cal buddy!

[mattob14]

bpc, the good news is we should have a great shot at picking up 3 of the guys you mentioned. If we spend our first three picks on DE, DT, and Safety, I'd be thrilled.

[Killericon]

Sign Deon Grant, get a good backup QB, draft the best defensive linemen available in both round 1 and 2(I'm still on the Okoye Bandwagon), get a good depth guy at WR(Kevin Curtis?) and it'll have been the perfect offseason for me.

Kerney would've been nice, but he went elsewhere. Time to look elsewhere.

Besides, like I've said before, DE is no the issue. DT is.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Thats a lot of wishful thinking above. Losing out on Kerney is a blessing in disguise...he's just not going to put up great numbers, not to mention he's an undersized lineman. Graham would be nice, but no big loss if he doesn't sign. The Broncos defense needs to take back the line of scrimmage and they NEED size on the line (which is what they are trying to do) The answer is simple...Adam Carriker. He's big, powerful, agile and controls the line of scrimmage. He probably isn't going to get you double digit sacks, but he's a very good two way player. If we secure him and another lineman, it's doable. Right now, the remaining free agent linemen are role players. We also need to address safety at some point in the near future..though i wouldnt be surprised to see Sam Brandon take over for Ferguson this season.

[nadwiggins]

Maybe the Broncos brought in PK to help drive up his asking price?

[Vegas_Bronco]

THAT'S IT ----- OUR SEASON IS OVER!!! KERNEY WAS OUR ONLY HOPE!!!

Enter the next TD in round 6.

[maven]

What he is talking about is Allen's ability to fund ANY size signing bonus in very quick order

Not just that, but referring to everything Paul Allen can provide the Seahawks organization. Private jets, 1st class facilities. Heck, this might ruffle some feathers, but Seattle's stadium completely owns ours. The man is filthy rich. Someone mentioned oil fields in Canada that Bowlen owns. That **** doesn't add to to be co-founder of Microsoft. Man is filthy f'n rich. Bowlen is poor compared to him.

[cutthemdown]

May Kerney pop an achilles tendon for saying Seattle has a better shot at winning!!!!! Screw him we are getting ready to blow up people!!!!!!!!!

[Popps]

Seattle places a premium on the pass rush, and it pays dividends. I'm not sure Kearney is that much of a prize, but he would have helped us.

[fontaine]

Seattle places a premium on the pass rush, and it pays dividends. I'm not sure Kearney is that much of a prize, but he would have helped us.

No it didn't. They overpaid for Bryce Fisher and Grant Wistrom a couple of years back and those guys didn't produce after getting mega bucks which is why Seattle had to overpay for a 30 year DE with 11 sacks that past two years.

[crazyhorse]

With practically evryone on here saying that Seattle overpayed for Kearney, can one of you give me the break down on how his contract is structured?

Thanks.

[*WARHORSE*]

With practically evryone on here saying that Seattle overpayed for Kearney, can one of you give me the break down on how his contract is structured?

Thanks.


Over 19 mil guaranteed..............:kiss:

[crazyhorse]

It looks as though Denver continues to completely ignore thier defensive line. Anyone that has had good production, or earned a good salary, Denver let's them go. Now with no one left to give Denver any type of production on the line, they continue to deal on RBs.:spit:

[crazyhorse]

Over 19 mil guaranteed..............:kiss:

How is the base broke down? Thanks.

[*WARHORSE*]

How is the base broke down? Thanks.

Pretty much 19.5 million guaranteed, with another 20 million spread out over 6 years. :afro:

Doesnt really matter though does it? Even if the 19.5 is spread out over the first 3 years, thats still over seven milliones a year and then some.

And if my man gets hurt.................its a world of hurt for Seattle.

[crazyhorse]

Pretty much 19.5 million guaranteed, with another 20 million spread out over 6 years. :afro:

Doesnt really matter though does it? Even if the 19.5 is spread out over the first 3 years, thats still over seven milliones a year and then some.

And if my man gets hurt.................its a world of hurt for Seattle.

If the final year is worth 10 million, wouldn't that be easier to handle for the Broncos? Or if the back end of the contract was where a large % of the money was? Didn't the Broncos pay Rod Smith like 9 million last year, or some crazy figure like that? That my friend is pissing money away.

You see, if you dont know how it breaks down, you really have no idea if it's too much or not. Bronco fans prefer to think it's too much, so they feel better about him getting away.

But the fact is, the Broncos likely gave him a similar offer. That's why he had to think about it. It was stated earlier in this thread that PK went there to win now. Not because he was offered so much more from the Seahawks.

By the way, the 1st 19 would be spread out over 5 years.

[BroncoInferno]

By the way, the 1st 19 would be spread out over 5 years.

That's only if he's actually on the team for five seasons. The big problem with this deal is that Kerney is 30. Pass rushers tend to start declining at that age, and that process may have already started with Kerney, as the guy only has 11 sacks the last two seasons. If he only lasts two or three seasons, that will be quite a cap hit when the remaining balance of the bonus has to accelerate to the cap. I just don't think a guy with 11 sacks the last two seasons and who is 30 is worth that sort of financial commitment/risk. The best way to build a DL is through the draft. FAs at the position are just too wildly expessive. That is my biggest beef with Shanny and the front office...the failure to take the DL seriously on draft day.

[-Slap-]

Where is Grant Wistrom from a few years ago? Seattle signed him to a bloated contract and his high stature has notched him 11.5 sacks over three years with Seattle. I expect Kerney will do about the same.

I compared Kerney to Wistrom earlier. I don't think you can say Wistrom has underperformed because he was never a double digit sack man. He is - like Kerney - a guy who goes hard as hell from whistle to whistle on every down. Guys like that open things up for a lot of other people. Seattle has been one of the top sacking units in the NFL over the last three years. Obviously, they're committed to remaining at that position.

Now, I agree Kerney priced himself out of the market. I would have happily spent that amount and more on 26 year old Justin Smith, but that doesn't mean I think Kerney wouldn't have helped our team next year.

I just pray we don't leave an All Pro talent at another position on the board in the first round because we feel compelled to reach for this year's Broderick Bunkley.

[BroncoBuff]

"Best available athlete" has kinda gone out of vogue, hasn't it? The manic free-agency spending I think mitigates toward drafting to fill needs rather than BAA. An extreme example might be Leon Hall for some strange reason falling to #21 ... would Shanny take him? With Champ, Bly and Foxworth already?

Reeves always claimed he would take "BAA," but rarely did. Another old-time folksy motto he claimed to follow (but didn't always) was, "you don't lose your starting job to injury." Those "old coach" mottos have little relationship to managing a real-life roster.

[dbfan21]

Nearly $20 million in guarneteed money for a 30 year old DE with 11 sacks the last two seasons. No thanks. Step the offer up to Graham, then go help the DL in the draft.

Abso-freakin-lutely! I am glad we didn't go that high with PK's offer. It'll force the FO to address d-line in the draft. Hopefully, we can lock up DG in the next day or two. Get it done, Mike and Ted!

Go Broncos!!

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"Best available athlete" has kinda gone out of vogue, hasn't it? The manic free-agency spending I think mitigates toward drafting to fill needs rather than BAA. An extreme example might be Leon Hall for some strange reason falling to #21 ... would Shanny take him? With Champ, Bly and Foxworth already?

Reeves always claimed he would take "BAA," but rarely did. Another old-time folksy motto he claimed to follow (but didn't always) was, "you don't lose your starting job to injury." Those "old coach" mottos have little relationship to managing a real-life roster.

Taking anything except the best athlete available generally screws you badly. Marcus Nash and Paul Toviessi were two examples of drafting for need.

[TheChamp24]

I was about 50/50 on signing Kerney. I think if he could still play at a high level, he would do well enough for a couple years, help stop the run and create some pressure on the QB. However, he is 30 and probably only has 2-3 years left IMO, and he probably won't produce to what his contract is. I think next year, the Seahawk fans might be regretting this signing. Sure, he might help a little bit, but in the end it isn't worth it to pay him that much.
Maybe this will make us draft for DL in the draft.

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Seattle has made a priority out of acquiring pass rushers - or at least talented players in the front seven - over the last few years: Wistrom, Julian Peterson, Kerney. Despite that, and the presence of a strong running game and established quarterback, they haven't been any more successful than we have in a much inferior conference.

[baja]

Taking anything except the best athlete available generally screws you badly. Marcus Nash and Paul Toviessi were two examples of drafting for need.

Boy talk about making your point, those two were horrible picks.

[Rohirrim]

It looks as though Denver continues to completely ignore thier defensive line. Anyone that has had good production, or earned a good salary, Denver let's them go. Now with no one left to give Denver any type of production on the line, they continue to deal on RBs.:spit:

If we sign Kerney, you don't show up. If we don't sign him, you come in here and make denigrating remarks about our team. You're nothing but a troll. If this was my site, you would have been gone a long time ago.

[crazyhorse]

If we sign Kerney, you don't show up. If we don't sign him, you come in here and make denigrating remarks about our team. You're nothing but a troll. If this was my site, you would have been gone a long time ago.

I would have pretty much been here either way.

Perhaps you should begin your own site. If you do, I will sign up for no other reason than for you to ban me. If this was your site, it wouldn't be as good a site.

Finally, are you saying that the Broncos haven't ignored the D-line while playing RB switcheroo for the last few seasons.?

[Rohirrim]

I would have pretty much been here either way.

Perhaps you should begin your own site. If you do, I will sign up for no other reason than for you to ban me. If this was your site, it wouldn't be as good a site.

Finally, are you saying that the Broncos haven't ignored the D-line while playing RB switcheroo for the last few seasons.?

Talking to you about the Broncos would be like discussing George Bush with Hugo Chavez.

[crazyhorse]

Talking to you about the Broncos would be like discussing George Bush with Hugo Chavez.LOL

[fontaine]

I just pray we don't leave an All Pro talent at another position on the board in the first round because we feel compelled to reach for this year's Broderick Bunkley.

Any other year and yes I agree with you but given the amount of depth available at DL they don't have to reach in the first. You can still get quality guys anywhere in the top 100. Given that we have needs along the DE, DT, S, CB (if we trade Bly) then it's just a matter of picking the best available player left at those positions when it's our time.

[Mediator12]

Seattle has made a priority out of acquiring pass rushers - or at least talented players in the front seven - over the last few years: Wistrom, Julian Peterson, Kerney. Despite that, and the presence of a strong running game and established quarterback, they haven't been any more successful than we have in a much inferior conference.

Wait. They were in the superbowl two years ago and the two main players you mentioned missed 15 starts between them last year. Then, they lost 3 of their top 5 players in the secondary last year and Started Pete Hunter in the playoffs from the Health Club. They actually made the playoffs last year, too.

They have been more successful each of the last three years.

As for Kerney, I agree with slap though. He would be an excellent Rental player for 3-4 years to allow Rookies to develop properly. Anyone who thinks Dumervil is anywhere near a consistent, everydown player at this point is severely delusional. Lang and Ekuban are strictly depth players who played starters snaps last year. Their production was a result of normal starters reps and one or two great plays out of 700+ snaps.

That Production was heavily weighted against the worst OL's and scarce against any decent ones. Not a playmaker anywhere on the DL, just average guys who need the other team to make a mistake to make a play. Not one guy who requires gameplanning, including Warren who gets the majority of doubles only because teams run RIGHT AT HIM.

Plus, the salary cap has changed and people need to get over that. Teams are releasing more Vets who are overpaid than in the past ala Henry. You do need to pay to get help people, and you get what you pay for. Some People think you can just get a rookie and plug them into a system on the DL. Problem is, we do not have an established system here yet and rookies struggle to maintain consistency for a 16 game + season coming right out of college. You think the Vets wore down up front over time, wait till a young kid without experience wears down and does not have the mental experience to fight through it.

Missing on Kerney means that Denver better have other real Vet options, including a trade, to acquire Pass rush help. Otherwise, the inconsistency of this group and whatever rookies are drafted at the NFL level will continue to plague an otherwise good defense.

[azbroncfan]

May Kerney pop an achilles tendon for saying Seattle has a better shot at winning!!!!! Screw him we are getting ready to blow up people!!!!!!!!!

He isn't that far off in his assesment. NFC is much weaker and road to SB much easier. They have got to the game with the team that they field now. Denver plays in a much tougher AFC WEST and AFC all together, Cutler is still an unknown, #2 WR is up in the air, don't even need to explain DL.

[azbroncfan]

Anyone who thinks Dumervil is anywhere near a consistent, everydown player at this point is severely delusional.

You need to have a talk with Florida Bronco, he is up for homer of the year award on this subject. Claims Dumerville is a everydown player that is good against the run but the facts are he had less then 10 tackles(taking out sacks for run D comparison), 0 TFL and doesn't start. If he was as good at run D as some say I do believe shanny would notice and start the guy.

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Wait. They were in the superbowl two years ago and the two main players you mentioned missed 15 starts between them last year. Then, they lost 3 of their top 5 players in the secondary last year and Started Pete Hunter in the playoffs from the Health Club. They actually made the playoffs last year, too.


You're counting Kerney as missing starts for Seattle due to injury last year, which is more than a little silly.

The last three years the Broncos have gone 10-6, 13-3 and 9-7 with a millstone around their necks at quarterback.

The last three years the Seahawks have gone 9-7, 13-3 and 9-7 in a far inferior conference.

If you were to rate the top ten teams in the NFL over the last three years, its at worst a 7/3 split favoring the AFC.

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Our linebackers are overrated as hell, too.

Its been a few days since I mentioned that.

:)

[TallyBronco]

Lang and Ekuban are strictly depth players who played starters snaps last year. Their production was a result of normal starters reps and one or two great plays out of 700+ snaps.


You clearly didn't observe the DL closely last season. Ekuban was several notches better than Lang and was all over in the field in a number of games last year. He's a good all-around DE and would start on most teams in this league. He's not the superstar we're looking for, but neither was PK. And neither is anyone else on the market right now.

[bendog]

Any other year and yes I agree with you but given the amount of depth available at DL they don't have to reach in the first. You can still get quality guys anywhere in the top 100. Given that we have needs along the DE, DT, S, CB (if we trade Bly) then it's just a matter of picking the best available player left at those positions when it's our time.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that. Although, like Slap, I'm pretty disappointed in not getting a vet DE with every down ability and a decent pass rush. Between Kerney and a motivated SLightlyLessMOney, guys like DogFood could pick up some easy sacks. But, if a team has a need position, and that happens to be a draftdeep position, it'd be a MattMillin move not pass up the chance.

And, I'm not really worked up about any of the running backs. Lynch seems to be a complete back, but I'm not sure about his cut back/vision, and it seems to me that he'll be taken higher than his pure talent warrants.

But, we're woefully thin at FB, so I really hope Den gets Graham.

[BroncoBuff]

Taking anything except the best athlete available generally screws you badly. Marcus Nash and Paul Toviessi were two examples of drafting for need.

We just disagree ... and of course you can find good and bad examples in any situation with draft pick history, you know that. Strictly speaking, BAA is silly. So the Raiders were correct in taking Michael Huff over Matt Leinart? Gimme a break .... and this year they should take BAA Calvin Johnson instead of one of the QBs? Should Tampa take Brady Quinn? And again, if for some strange reason Leon Hall falls to #21, I guarantee Shanny will not take him with Champ and Bly here - unless he puts a trade together, which proves my point.

I'll say it again, stricly speaking, not only is BAA silly, but there are no teams left that follow it, at least not on Day 1.

[BroncoBuff]

And this is especially true in this transitory roster era of free agency ... nobody has time to stockpile and develop anymore. BAA is a relic. Come on, Slap, you know better than that.

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We just disagree ... and of course you can find good and bad examples in any situation with draft pick history, you know that. Strictly speaking, BAA is silly. So the Raiders were correct in taking Michael Huff over Matt Leinart? Gimme a break .... and this year they should take BAA Calvin Johnson instead of one of the QBs? Should Tampa take Brady Quinn? And again, if for some strange reason Leon Hall falls to #21, I guarantee Shanny will not take him with Champ and Bly here - unless he puts a trade together, which proves my point.

I'll say it again, stricly speaking, not only is BAA silly, but there are no teams left that follow it, at least not on Day 1.

Hell yes, they should take Calvin Johnson over one of the QBs. Especially since both of the top rated QBs this year carry such high bust factors.

If Huff actually was a better player than Leinart or Cutler, he might have made sense there, but it would take a much more incredible safety than Michael Huff to deserve being drafted 7th overall. That was just a bad pick in general.

Bly may well be a one year rental, so CB in round one might be a reasonable pick. No way Hall could be the BPA @ 21, but Revis might, and the Broncos would consider him.

Obviously, BPA is a guideline and not a hard and fast rule. I wouldn't recommend the Broncos draft Russell or Quinn, even if they dropped down to 21, which is about where each of them belong as prospects.

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And this is especially true in this transitory roster era of free agency ... nobody has time to stockpile and develop anymore. BAA is a relic. Come on, Slap, you know better than that.

Riiiight, because we all know the teams who build their teams through free agency are always the most successful.

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[BroncoBuff]

Touche! ... to any post that ends by mocking Snyder. ;D

[BroncoBuff]

Hell yes, they should take Calvin Johnson over one of the QBs. Especially since both of the top rated QBs this year carry such high bust factors.

If Huff actually was a better player than Leinart or Cutler, he might have made sense there, but it would take a much more incredible safety than Michael Huff to deserve being drafted 7th overall. That was just a bad pick in general.

Bly may well be a one year rental, so CB in round one might be a reasonable pick. No way Hall could be the BPA @ 21, but Revis might, and the Broncos would consider him.

Obviously, BPA is a guideline and not a hard and fast rule. I wouldn't recommend the Broncos draft Russell or Quinn, even if they dropped down to 21, which is about where each of them belong as prospects.

Well, you stick to your guns.

But forget Huff. Let's assume, arguendo, that they actually drafted a better athlete - say, A.J. Hawk over Leinart and Cutler. And let's also assume they take Johnson over Russell and Quinn.

Hawk and Johnson are terrific players .... but any of the four QBs they passed on would probably = more victories within two years. I hope you don't disagree there.

WHICH DIFFERENCE WOULD WIN MORE GAMES:

A) 2006 - 2008:
Cutler/Leinart at QB - and Kirk Morrison at MLB
- or -
A.J. Hawk at MLB - and Aaron Brooks at QB ?


B) 2007-2009:
Quinn/Russell at QB - and Jerry Porter at WR
- or -
Andrew Walter at QB - and Calvin Johnson at WR ?

[BroncoBuff]

That's kinda convoluted ... but if they draft Russell, they'll win more hgames than if they draft Johnson.

Look at the Cards, they have the best WR tandem in the league, and they LET 'EM OFF THE HOOK! ("Everybody" off the hook, that is).

[Odysseus]

That's only if he's actually on the team for five seasons. The big problem with this deal is that Kerney is 30. Pass rushers tend to start declining at that age, and that process may have already started with Kerney, as the guy only has 11 sacks the last two seasons. If he only lasts two or three seasons, that will be quite a cap hit when the remaining balance of the bonus has to accelerate to the cap. I just don't think a guy with 11 sacks the last two seasons and who is 30 is worth that sort of financial commitment/risk. The best way to build a DL is through the draft. FAs at the position are just too wildly expessive. That is my biggest beef with Shanny and the front office...the failure to take the DL seriously on draft day.

I'm hoping this year they jump in because the water should be fine.