View Full Version : I found our sleeper RB - awesome!!!
Wether he remains a sleeper or not is now the issue. Just another RB a few weeks ago, and got invited to the combine at the last second, this dude could be just what the doctor ordered.
We could end up having an all ARIZONA backfield this season !!! And we don't even have to trade up to get the guy. Forget #8, he's going at #4 anyway, and we're not trading up 15 spots and giving up 2 1st round picks to get him. #8 remains a pipe dream that will never become reality. The fact is, experts say this is the draft to snag a few DL at least. It's deep in DL, so we snag a few early, and then get our new RB in the 3rd.
Weighing in at 6'0 and 230 pounds, Chris Henry was lucky to even get an invite to the NFL Combine. So when he did arrive, he didn't just run everything but Henry ended up finishing in the top 5 of his group in almost everything: a 4.14 short shuttle (3rd), a 11.51 long shuttle (2nd), a 6.96 three cone (5th), a 10'7" broad jump (1st -T), and of course a 4.40 forty yard dash (1st -T).
Henry also benched 225lbs 26 times (2nd best among RBs) and his 10 yard split in the 40 (1.51) was also second best among among backs and better than Adrian Peterson's time.
All the buzz aside, the question "can Chris Henry run the football" will remain from now until at least training camp. In three years with the Wildcats, Henry carried the football just 255 total times and never ended a season with more than 3.5 yards per carry.
Arizona head coach Mike Stoops was not pleased when Henry decided to enter the draft, saying that Henry could have benefitted from another year in college. But who knows if Stoops is more interested in his own team's depth chart than Henry's future with those comments.
Chris Henry's college profile says his "Academic major is philosophy". It's certain that there will be plenty of speculation about this young man's potential in professional football. NFL teams would love the chance to get a raw running back talent this like that doesn't come with too many miles already attached.
Billy Clyde Puckett
03-01-2007, 03:45 PM
He's been discussed quite a bit over on the Draft forumn. Lots of concern that he is a workout warrior since he played so little for UA
bloodsunday
03-01-2007, 03:54 PM
A 3.5 YPA in college is awful. He'd have to be a late second day pick (6th or 7th) to even be worth a look.
Aren't we tired of average in our running backs at this point anyway?
Concern about drafting him would only be about where he is taken. Sure, if you selected him with your 1st or 2nd, that would be a reach. But if he falls to 3rd or 4th round, I don't see much risk at all. Arizona doesn't really have a great program and it's probably a given that there weren't many holes to run behind in that offense. Stoops probably went to another back "Jennings" to take the pressure off himself about lack of production. All the focus then went to "Henry not getting the job done". He's got low miles, no reports of ongoing injuries. AND................he didnt' just do well in 1 or 2 areas. He was 1st or 2nd place in almost all of them. At 6'0 230 pounds, he's got the bod and he runs like a gazelle. I would even trade a 2008 5th or 2009 4th to move up in the 3rd to snag him.
SureShot
03-01-2007, 04:03 PM
In our offense vision is more important to measurables( see T. Bell). I want to know how well he reads and anticipates his blocks. 3.5 yds/carry in college is awful.
ludo21
03-01-2007, 04:09 PM
im rooting for Henry as im an AZ guy.
But if he didnt even start for his won team at times, how is he going to be a starter for us?
IMO he could be a workout Warrior, but im hoping he makes an nfl team very happy.
elsid13
03-01-2007, 05:08 PM
You really need to visit the draft subforum, we been talking about this guy already. His speed means the scouts will have to go take another look at him on film. From the insider on ESPN he does sound like he is a one cut back and go back. It to bad we combine Mike Bell and Henry into one back, that would be the ultimate fit for Denver
2KBack
03-01-2007, 07:13 PM
It would be a strange irony if Chris Henry Managed to beat Mike Bell in the NFL, when he couldn't beat him out in college for 2 seasons.
footstepsfrom#27
03-01-2007, 08:05 PM
I think I'd much rather have Marcus Mason.
yerner
03-01-2007, 08:20 PM
Chris Henry didn't always get the chances Bell did. arizona's o line had been horrible. truth is it was much more their fault that henry didnt produce. i can guarantee if henry got here that combo behind our line would be very very productive. Henry's best football is ahead of him.
yerner
03-01-2007, 08:21 PM
i haven't been able to find it but if someone know how to get the highlights of UA v Washington this year Henry is awesome in it. 200 plus. Broken tackle galore.
2KBack
03-01-2007, 08:27 PM
Chris Henry didn't always get the chances Bell did. arizona's o line had been horrible. truth is it was much more their fault that henry didnt produce. i can guarantee if henry got here that combo behind our line would be very very productive. Henry's best football is ahead of him.
I'm just saying, there must have been a reason that Mike Bell started and Henry didn't. They played behind the same line for 2 years, and the line was better this season than the seaosn before. It's possible he's a late bloomer I guess. If that was the case though, he should come back for his senior season and raise his stock a little.
elsid13
03-01-2007, 08:42 PM
I'm just saying, there must have been a reason that Mike Bell started and Henry didn't. They played behind the same line for 2 years, and the line was better this season than the seaosn before. It's possible he's a late bloomer I guess. If that was the case though, he should come back for his senior season and raise his stock a little.
Supposedly Stoops is going to more of a spread offense next season and Henry decide he wasn't going to get many opportunities in that style of O. Especial with the sophomore backs that UA has that fit that scheme better. He would end up like Wynn of UF an afterthought in the game planning.
Lev Vyvanse
03-01-2007, 09:18 PM
i haven't been able to find it but if someone know how to get the highlights of UA v Washington this year Henry is awesome in it. 200 plus. Broken tackle galore.
Here is his stat line from that game
ATT YDS AVG
5 24 4.8
Not quite 200. Actually he has never broken 200. In three years a UA he only had one season with more than 200 yards. Looks like he has had one good game ever we would be crazy to waste a draft pick on this guy.
2KBack
03-01-2007, 09:36 PM
Here is his stat line from that game
ATT YDS AVG
5 24 4.8
Not quite 200. Actually he has never broken 200. In three years a UA he only had one season with more than 200 yards. Looks like he has had one good game ever we would be crazy to waste a draft pick on this guy.
He was probably referring to the Oregon game, which Henry did have 191 yards rushing and 21 recieving. It was a great game, but then he laid an egg against my sundevils, and that was sad. We had a crap run defense last season.
TheChamp24
03-01-2007, 09:43 PM
Didn't we learn anything from Mike Mamula? Don't draft guys based solely on the combine. I don't see why we should draft him in the 3rd honestly.
In college, even if you don't have the greatest of lines, you should still produce better than that if you are good. Adrian Peterson's OL's the past 2 years haven't been spectacular, but he still produced.
And again, 7 games last year he was held under a 3.0 average yards per carry during the game. That is horrible.
LonghornBronco
03-01-2007, 10:20 PM
I would rather have this guy...
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53633
Barry Ramey
03-01-2007, 10:26 PM
Not only has U of Arizona's OL been mediocre, but they have had little passing game, so hard to run effectively and consistently when defenses don't have the pass to worry about.
BroncoInferno
03-01-2007, 10:30 PM
As a late round selection, a guy with his talent would definately be worth a roll of the dice, but definately not with a first day pick. Not anywhere near enough production to warrent that.
Dedhed
03-01-2007, 10:52 PM
In this video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjyG1KmyYJo
There are a couple of blips of Henry.
at :45 you can see him whiff on a block and get his QB killed
at 3:25 you can see him fumble
at 4:25 you can see him get drilled for a 2-3 yard loss
yerner
03-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Yeah, sorry, it was the Oregon game. Also, Bell was the older guy there. He wouldn't have started in front of him just because Bell was good and the upper classman. I don't know about a 3rd rounder. Bell wasn't drafted. All I know is that I called Mike Bell being productive 2 years before he was drafted. Ask my bro, (El Sid). I tend to be able to tell the Arizona players that can be effective in the pro's. Most players at zona can't play. Chris Henry is the freakish type of athlete that can. Stoops is a jackass. THe whole offense was crap. You want a steal, he's it.
yerner
03-01-2007, 10:59 PM
Dude, thats arizona playing LSU in LSU. THey knocked TUiatama out pretty much for the season on the first possesion. Can't blame Henry for the ass whopping they put on the whole squad.
Lev Vyvanse
03-01-2007, 11:07 PM
Yeah, sorry, it was the Oregon game. Also, Bell was the older guy there. He wouldn't have started in front of him just because Bell was good and the upper classman. I don't know about a 3rd rounder. Bell wasn't drafted. All I know is that I called Mike Bell being productive 2 years before he was drafted. Ask my bro, (El Sid). I tend to be able to tell the Arizona players that can be effective in the pro's. Most players at zona can't play. Chris Henry is the freakish type of athlete that can. Stoops is a jackass. THe whole offense was crap. You want a steal, he's it.
Mike Bell averaged more yards per season in college this guy had in his whole career.
Dedhed
03-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Dude, thats arizona playing LSU in LSU. THey knocked TUiatama out pretty much for the season on the first possesion. Can't blame Henry for the ass whopping they put on the whole squad.
I can blame him for the whiff and the fumble. I'm not saying he should be written off for a single game, but it's clear there are things that make him a later round prospect when his measurables say he should be a blue chip guy.
yerner
03-02-2007, 12:18 AM
When did I make any claim that he should be a high round pick? And as far as his stats, there are lots of pro's that come out of so-so college situations. A 230 pound running back that runs a 4.33 and 4.4 is a rare athlete. Can we agree on that? Time will tell if he pans out. I'm pretty confident he'll make someone's team and eventually play.
Dedhed
03-02-2007, 12:51 AM
When did I make any claim that he should be a high round pick? And as far as his stats, there are lots of pro's that come out of so-so college situations. A 230 pound running back that runs a 4.33 and 4.4 is a rare athlete. Can we agree on that? Time will tell if he pans out. I'm pretty confident he'll make someone's team and eventually play.
It's clear he's a good athlete, but because of his combine performance it's more likely that he'll be over valued than a sleeper.
yerner
03-02-2007, 01:23 AM
I agree. And honestly when I was talking about him prior to the combine, that I thought he could play in the NFL, I never thought he would do what he did at the combine. I was just as shocked. But I think when you watch him you see a guy that has some natural running skills.
youcandoit1687
03-02-2007, 01:27 AM
Concern about drafting him would only be about where he is taken. Sure, if you selected him with your 1st or 2nd, that would be a reach. But if he falls to 3rd or 4th round, I don't see much risk at all. Arizona doesn't really have a great program and it's probably a given that there weren't many holes to run behind in that offense. Stoops probably went to another back "Jennings" to take the pressure off himself about lack of production. All the focus then went to "Henry not getting the job done". He's got low miles, no reports of ongoing injuries. AND................he didnt' just do well in 1 or 2 areas. He was 1st or 2nd place in almost all of them. At 6'0 230 pounds, he's got the bod and he runs like a gazelle. I would even trade a 2008 5th or 2009 4th to move up in the 3rd to snag him.
Our 3rd and 4th round picks are much more important and valuable than to just take a flyer on some guy who ran a good 40(that's all he is, a good who ran a good 40). If he is that fast, why didn't he have a higher ypc? Why didn't we see him on SC breaking long ones? Maybe a 5th or 6th depending on who is there.
houghtam
03-02-2007, 03:54 AM
Tj Duckett ran a 4.37 and was 15lbs heavier. He didn't do squat on a team with the best rushing offense two years running.
The combine is to get a sense of the players, not to rely on their statistical performances. Players train for specific events (e.g. 40 yard dash) to improve their times. Then they put on pads and slow down and turn into TJ Duckett or as one of the guys said, Mike Mamula.
elsid13
03-02-2007, 08:54 AM
Tj Duckett ran a 4.37 and was 15lbs heavier. He didn't do squat on a team with the best rushing offense two years running.
The combine is to get a sense of the players, not to rely on their statistical performances. Players train for specific events (e.g. 40 yard dash) to improve their times. Then they put on pads and slow down and turn into TJ Duckett or as one of the guys said, Mike Mamula.
Altanta isn't the best running team in the league!!!! The stats are overrated because of Vick. Plus Duckett got into Alex Gibbs dog house.
No one is saying that draft Henry in the 1st, but rather go relook at the tapes and see what he has. If he sitting there in 4th (if we get a pick in that round) he worth a look. The kid I think we should draft is McGill from UNC, he someone not on the radar - but had a good career on real crappy team in tough conference. Internet scouting report say he has good feet in the hole, and has strength.