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cmhargrove
02-27-2007, 09:24 PM
Another DE that looks like he could fall to us is Jarvis Moss. His stats looked great at the combine, but did anyone see how he played this year?

56 tackles, 11 for loss, 7.5 sacks

I hate to say it, but his stats remind me a lot of Mark Anderson from last year. Does anyone have an opinion on this guy as a round 1 pick? It looks like he would be a better choice than Moses, and I don't know if Carriker will be there at 21.

yerner
02-27-2007, 09:38 PM
played a hell of a game when it mattered against ohio state. no doubt he's probably better athetically than anyone on our current roster.

SpringStein
02-27-2007, 09:58 PM
Sorry to quote Prisco, but on an article on DE's this is what he said about Moss:

Florida's Jarvis Moss might be the fastest edge rusher of all the ends. At 6-6, 245 pounds, he is a little light, but he has the frame to add weight.

His play in the national championship against Ohio State really opened a lot of eyes to his speed.

"The way he rushes the passer and uses his speed and the way he glides reminds me of Julius Peppers," said one AFC coach.

More credible is that Mayock lists him as the #2 DE, behind Anderson and ahead of Carriker, Anderson and Spencer.

yerner
02-27-2007, 10:11 PM
I tend to think that we should take the best player available reguarless of position. I don't know even if Moss is there that he would be that guy. Say a wr is there that really intrigues the team or a db. I think we take the best player avaiable. other than a qb.

Mediator12
02-27-2007, 10:14 PM
That should be behind Adams, and ahead of Carriker, Anderson, and Spencer SpringStein ;D Good to see you man.

All I know is that Moss and Adams were the two most fluid and explosive in the drills yesterday. They both also ran OLB drills and were head and shoulders more smooth and athletic than the other smaller guys who also ran the drills including Spencer. Moss fits the new Front four scheme of bates to a "t" and has Been compared to both Simeon Rice and Jason Taylor in their ability to get to the QB. He is nowhere near them in other aspects of the game, but his Floor to Ceiling is the highest outside of Jamal Anderson in this draft at DE. Moss is still really Raw technique wise, but he is a hard working, fast learner too.

If he stayed another year @ FL, I really think he would be a top 5 guy next draft. As it is, you get a young guy with huge upside and an instant Pass rush upgrade.

bpc
02-27-2007, 10:17 PM
My only problem is he is a real high cut DE with what looks like not much lower body strength. His legs are very thin.

Great closing speed though.

SpringStein
02-27-2007, 10:25 PM
That should be behind Adams, and ahead of Carriker, Anderson, and Spencer SpringStein ;D Good to see you man.




You know I'll show up around draft time! Hope all is well with you. You get out to Colorado at all?

Mediator12
02-27-2007, 10:26 PM
My only problem is he is a real high cut DE with what looks like not much lower body strength. His legs are very thin.

Great closing speed though.

Oh yeah, he is weak as hell right now as he has been on a passive growth program after the Staph infection almost ate him alive less than two years ago. He also has really shied away from the physical running plays due to that weakness. As long as that is under control and moving in the right direction, and I have heard preliminary results are good, then he has the frame to add at least 20-30 more lbs. He could especially improve his lower body strength without jeopardizing his speed and explosiveness.

Right now, he is a pure pass rusher with a lethal hip turn. If he turns the corner its a sack or a flag. I really think he is going to get a lot more complete as he grows into his natural frame. I know he works his ass off and now they will turn him over to a strength and conditioning coach for the whole offseason.

Broncoman13
02-27-2007, 10:33 PM
I want Moss @21!!!

Slappy was right!!!

Carriker, Moss, bust

ludo21
02-27-2007, 10:38 PM
i definitely wouldnt be against getting a pass rusher

Clockwork Orange
02-27-2007, 10:51 PM
I'd be very happy with Moss @ 21. :thumbs:

shakenbake
02-27-2007, 10:56 PM
Iam liking Moss more and more. I think its important to draft guys that fit your scheme. It sounds like Moss fit Bates' scheme perfetly.

WABronco
02-27-2007, 10:58 PM
He is weak as hell right now, but he looks like has so much growth potential...and his length is just splendiferous (errr).

Dedhed
02-27-2007, 10:59 PM
Moss is a guy who I can see us taking if we stay at #21. He's a perfect fit for the type of system that Bates is likely to install, and he's valued right around our pick. Great athlete very much in the mold of a Jason Taylor. Bates did an okay job with Taylor, and I think Moss could be the same type of player in the right system.

phibacka31
02-27-2007, 11:03 PM
I also am a deffinate fan of Moss he looks like a very solid rush end;D

DBroncos4life
02-28-2007, 03:23 PM
He's weak people. He only did 16 on the bench. I wouldn't mind getting someone with so speed on the end but he isn't going to play LDE in the NFL. We have 3 guys that can play RDE in my opinion on the team already. Victor Abiamiri who was .10 second slower did 225 nine more times then Moss. C.J. Ah You had the same 40 time did the bench 10 more times then Moss. Moss didn't do any of the other drills either which I don't like.

Mr. Trout
02-28-2007, 04:45 PM
He's weak people. He only did 16 on the bench. I wouldn't mind getting someone with so speed on the end but he isn't going to play LDE in the NFL. We have 3 guys that can play RDE in my opinion on the team already. Victor Abiamiri who was .10 second slower did 225 nine more times then Moss. C.J. Ah You had the same 40 time did the bench 10 more times then Moss. Moss didn't do any of the other drills either which I don't like.

Yeah I'm not sure we should use a first rounder on a DE that looks as if he will get trampled over during running plays. It is not good to have a rail thin DE when our linebackers are already small. I'm in the boat of getting a complete DE.

elsid13
02-28-2007, 07:46 PM
My question is how do he looks against top level college LTs during this season?

Barry Ramey
02-28-2007, 10:21 PM
At this point, Moss is the guy I want the Broncos taking at #21. If he's taken before the pick, then not sure who I would want. Lang is an older player and Dumervil is just too small to play every down. Moss can get stronger as he gets older. Reggie Hayward was like 250lbs himself when the Broncos drafted him.

watermock
03-01-2007, 12:05 AM
He does 16 reps when Brady Quinn did 24?

Dedhed
03-01-2007, 12:25 AM
He's weak people. He only did 16 on the bench. I wouldn't mind getting someone with so speed on the end but he isn't going to play LDE in the NFL. We have 3 guys that can play RDE in my opinion on the team already. Victor Abiamiri who was .10 second slower did 225 nine more times then Moss. C.J. Ah You had the same 40 time did the bench 10 more times then Moss. Moss didn't do any of the other drills either which I don't like.
He's a Kiwanuka clone, except he's an inch taller and longer. Those long armed guys are at an extreme disadvantage when it comes to the bench, but it has very little to do with their on field ability. Kiwi only did 17 reps, and I'd take him on this team in a heartbeat. For a speed player the bench is almost irrelevant, and it's short-sighted to write him off based on a single number.

He's exactly the type of DE who thrives in a Bates system.

DBroncos4life
03-01-2007, 01:20 AM
He's a Kiwanuka clone, except he's an inch taller and longer. Those long armed guys are at an extreme disadvantage when it comes to the bench, but it has very little to do with their on field ability. Kiwi only did 17 reps, and I'd take him on this team in a heartbeat. For a speed player the bench is almost irrelevant, and it's short-sighted to write him off based on a single number.

He's exactly the type of DE who thrives in a Bates system.

He's the type of DE that teams run for a 150 one and score about three times. See LT and LJ. I would rather have Carriker who can push the pocket and stop the run.

-Slap-
03-01-2007, 02:46 AM
He's a Kiwanuka clone, except he's an inch taller and longer. Those long armed guys are at an extreme disadvantage when it comes to the bench, but it has very little to do with their on field ability. Kiwi only did 17 reps, and I'd take him on this team in a heartbeat. For a speed player the bench is almost irrelevant, and it's short-sighted to write him off based on a single number.

He's exactly the type of DE who thrives in a Bates system.

Great point. His functional strength might be lacking right now, but the length of his arms will be a huge advantage against the Stretch Armstrong left tackles in this League.

shakenbake
03-01-2007, 11:02 AM
He's the type of DE that teams run for a 150 one and score about three times. See LT and LJ. I would rather have Carriker who can push the pocket and stop the run.

I think the problem we have had here over that past few years has been our rush package not our run package. We need some elite guys who can get to the QB when we need them too. We already have guys who can stop the run.

Dedhed
03-01-2007, 11:22 AM
He's the type of DE that teams run for a 150 one and score about three times. See LT and LJ. I would rather have Carriker who can push the pocket and stop the run.
Have you paid attention at all during the off-season and read anything about our new defensive coaches? I'll take Miami's run defense with tiny 255 pound Jason Taylor.

DBroncos4life
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
Have you paid attention at all during the off-season and read anything about our new defensive coaches? I'll take Miami's run defense with tiny 255 pound Jason Taylor.

no **** but this is the AFC west not the AFC east. There are two of the best RBs in the league in our divison. Then there is Jordan, a big back that is pretty good when he isn't pissed off. Also there was this article about how we need to get bigger on BOTH sides of the ball. Moss is weaker and smaller.

Barry Ramey
03-01-2007, 11:53 AM
Until DE's are required to lift tackles off the ground, I'm not that worried how much they bench press. You can find a lot of guys who can lift more, but can't play football or don't make difference on the field at least. All of these numbers in the combine and workouts are great and all to talk about, but my basic questions are "yeah, but can he play football and make plays?" Moss seems to be a guy that makes plays and I think we can agree the Broncos can really use a guy on the DL that can make plays and makes a difference on the field. How much he can bench press isn't a big worry for me. Again, Reggie Hayward had similar questions about him coming out of college and he did pretty well and Moss seems quicker and more athletic than him.

DBroncos4life
03-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Until DE's are required to lift tackles off the ground, I'm not that worried how much they bench press. You can find a lot of guys who can lift more, but can't play football or don't make difference on the field at least. All of these numbers in the combine and workouts are great and all to talk about, but my basic questions are "yeah, but can he play football and make plays?" Moss seems to be a guy that makes plays and I think we can agree the Broncos can really use a guy on the DL that can make plays and makes a difference on the field. How much he can bench press isn't a big worry for me. Again, Reggie Hayward had similar questions about him coming out of college and he did pretty well and Moss seems quicker and more athletic than him.

We let Hayward go though and he was drafted in the third not the first. My point is we got two guys that can play RDE right now in Ekuban and Dumervil. Adding Moss makes having Dumervil worthless because when will he get to play? Moss is a pure passrusher at this point and thats all the Vil is good for as well.

shakenbake
03-01-2007, 12:04 PM
no **** but this is the AFC west not the AFC east. There are two of the best RBs in the league in our divison. Then there is Jordan, a big back that is pretty good when he isn't pissed off. Also there was this article about how we need to get bigger on BOTH sides of the ball. Moss is weaker and smaller.

Honestly I would take either Moss or Carriker, but I'm not sure Carriker will still be there at 21. Plus as I said previously, I really think you need to get guys that fit the scheme of the DC. From all accounts it sounds like Moss fits perfectly. I'm really not worried about the run D it has been there. We need some guys who can get to the QB. I really like the idea of Moss and Elvis at the ends on obvious passing downs. We had trouble stopping guys 3rd down last year because we couldn't get to the QB not because we couldn't stop the run.

Barry Ramey
03-01-2007, 02:05 PM
We let Hayward go though and he was drafted in the third not the first. My point is we got two guys that can play RDE right now in Ekuban and Dumervil. Adding Moss makes having Dumervil worthless because when will he get to play? Moss is a pure passrusher at this point and thats all the Vil is good for as well.

They only let Hayward go because of money reasons, not because they didn't want him. If it were up to me, Ekuban would be at LDE anyway since he'd good against the run and you could have both say Moss and Dumervil at RDE. I'll take a pure pass rusher since that's a need for the Broncos. Sure, would be nice to have an instant all-around DE, but ones like that don't typically last to the #21 pick. Moss could become an all-around DE in time, who knows. He's young, not a stretch to think he'll get stronger and better against the run. It's no more a certainty he will or won't than it is with really any other DE in the draft.

telluride
03-06-2007, 07:28 PM
Jarvis did an interview on Sirius today and, as the hosts pointed out afterward, immediately killed any first round potential he may have had. He was drunk, or stoned, or something; there was a party going on in the background; and he couldn't get a coherent sentence out of his mouth. It was painful to listen to, and the hosts quickly cut him free.

A pre-arranged interview. National exposure. At noon EST. And he biffs it under the influence, then tries to attitude his way clear of the disaster.

This guy is bad news.

Rohirrim
03-07-2007, 09:58 AM
Jarvis did an interview on Sirius today and, as the hosts pointed out afterward, immediately killed any first round potential he may have had. He was drunk, or stoned, or something; there was a party going on in the background; and he couldn't get a coherent sentence out of his mouth. It was painful to listen to, and the hosts quickly cut him free.

A pre-arranged interview. National exposure. At noon EST. And he biffs it under the influence, then tries to attitude his way clear of the disaster.

This guy is bad news.

:flush: I didn't like him anyway.

Dedhed
03-07-2007, 10:59 AM
Jarvis did an interview on Sirius today and, as the hosts pointed out afterward, immediately killed any first round potential he may have had. He was drunk, or stoned, or something; there was a party going on in the background; and he couldn't get a coherent sentence out of his mouth. It was painful to listen to, and the hosts quickly cut him free.

A pre-arranged interview. National exposure. At noon EST. And he biffs it under the influence, then tries to attitude his way clear of the disaster.

This guy is bad news.It's amazing how stupid people can be. I liked Moss at #21, but if this is true he has to drop.

Barry Ramey
03-08-2007, 03:18 PM
If true, then yeah, I wouldn't want Moss.

Steve Prefontaine
03-08-2007, 03:38 PM
Was Clarett there? I heard he likes to party too.

elsid13
03-08-2007, 06:05 PM
Was Clarett there? I heard he likes to party too.

Actually he was the party planner, it part of the new Ohio prison rehab program the "Grey Goose Initiative
.

s0phr0syne
02-13-2009, 12:43 PM
Hey, sorry to bump this thread, but honestly if Moss were in this year's draft, he'd be one of the most highly sought after 3-4 OLBS again. I haven't seen much discussion, but what makes us so skeptical that he won't be a good WOLB in our new 3-4 scheme? A lot of the draft profiles I've been reading from 2006 had him pegged as either a pass-rush specialist in the 4-3, or a good OLB in the 3-4. They talk about him being able to play in space and even drop into coverage.

Feel free to point me in the direction of other threads that may have already discussed this to death. I tried searching to find them, but didn't see them.

peacepipe
02-13-2009, 04:21 PM
Hey, sorry to bump this thread, but honestly if Moss were in this year's draft, he'd be one of the most highly sought after 3-4 OLBS again. I haven't seen much discussion, but what makes us so skeptical that he won't be a good WOLB in our new 3-4 scheme? A lot of the draft profiles I've been reading from 2006 had him pegged as either a pass-rush specialist in the 4-3, or a good OLB in the 3-4. They talk about him being able to play in space and even drop into coverage.

Feel free to point me in the direction of other threads that may have already discussed this to death. I tried searching to find them, but didn't see them.
I agre with you, he has the size & talentwise ideal to play OLB in a 3-4. most 3-4 LBs were DEs in college but not big enough to play DE in the NFL.

CEH
02-13-2009, 04:35 PM
IMO, Moss is not physical enough to play as a 3-4 OLBer.
If he can grow a mean streak in the next month maybe.
There is now two years of NFL film on him.
That would trump any '07 draft report
My guess is he will be cut/traded maybe even before camp

Boss Man
02-13-2009, 07:36 PM
IMO, Moss is not physical enough to play as a 3-4 OLBer.
If he can grow a mean streak in the next month maybe.
There is now two years of NFL film on him.
That would trump any '07 draft report
My guess is he will be cut/traded maybe even before camp

Ok...

Tell me why we would trade a guy who missed a majority of his rookie season due to injury, who could possibly excel in a scheme more suited for his skill set, and quite possibly could flourish under a competent regime that would be hard pressed not to have a little bit more success in developing d-lineman?

It would be just stupid to cut him, with his potential, and somewhat reasonable contract, I will guarantee he stays until training camp...

watermock
02-13-2009, 08:16 PM
What we really need is another weak, clueless OLB.

Keep him thru next year and see of he cxan play olb.

Rookie contract or he's fodder imo.

oubronco
02-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Ok...

Tell me why we would trade a guy who missed a majority of his rookie season due to injury, who could possibly excel in a scheme more suited for his skill set, and quite possibly could flourish under a competent regime that would be hard pressed not to have a little bit more success in developing d-lineman?

It would be just stupid to cut him, with his potential, and somewhat reasonable contract, I will guarantee he stays until training camp...

Hey your the Boss Man

JCMElway
02-13-2009, 08:36 PM
you're, my brother in foneco. It's you're

BroncoBuff
02-13-2009, 09:13 PM
I think Dumervil and Moss both will be better than we think at 3-4 OLB.

montrose
02-13-2009, 09:18 PM
With the Goodmans gone, I wouldn't be shocked one bit if Moss and Crowder aren't on the opening day roster.

BroncoBuff
02-13-2009, 09:23 PM
That'd be way wrong ... players' fates should not be decided by who was in charge of drafting them. I suppose Crowder might be at the end of the line here (healthy but deactivated for what, 8-10 games?), but Moss hasn't really seen the field enough yet to give up on him.

Br0nc0Buster
02-13-2009, 09:37 PM
This is put up time for Moss

Hopefully he can show something at OLB
And Crowder to

They deserve this year, but if both are complete nonfactors again then it may be time to move on

BroncoBuff
02-13-2009, 09:58 PM
This is put up time for Moss

Hopefully he can show something at OLB
And Crowder to

They deserve this year, but if both are complete nonfactors again then it may be time to move on

Fair enough for Crowder, he's 90% down the line to bust-ville, at least as a 4-3 DE. But let's try not to lump the two together. Many compared Moss to Demarcus Ware from his days in college, so now that he'll get a chance to play that 3-4 Jack-WLB, let's stay that execution.

Broncos_OTM
02-14-2009, 12:22 AM
Telluride man i wish i would have seen that before. i was on the moss train. i had concerns but i definelty wanted him....