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SouthStndJunkie
07-08-2007, 05:26 PM
Tigers sweep the Red Sox. They lit up Dice-K today.

Kick ass!

Hogan11
07-08-2007, 06:41 PM
The Pirates have now won 4...count them, 4 series in a row....the last two against the Brewers and Cubs....that's saying something for a club like that.

Can they continue to jell in the 2nd half? Stay tuned.

SouthStndJunkie
07-08-2007, 07:32 PM
Curtis Granderson's sweet catch today:

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DomCasual
07-08-2007, 07:59 PM
The Pirates have now won 4...count them, 4 series in a row....the last two against the Brewers and Cubs....that's saying something for a club like that.

Can they continue to jell in the 2nd half? Stay tuned.

We're about ready to give you Josh Fogg back now!

OrangeShadow
07-08-2007, 09:00 PM
Curtis Granderon's sweet catch today:

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that was nuts, i saw it on the highlights when i got home from work

SouthStndJunkie
07-09-2007, 09:02 PM
Time for the home run derby.

Go Maggs.

theAPAOps5
07-09-2007, 09:15 PM
Can I get a recap, I am at work and don't have access to it. I don't need a hit by hit account just a tally or some opinions.

EDIT: Never mind ESPN has a tracker.

Jens1893
07-09-2007, 09:27 PM
Can I get a recap, I am at work and don't have access to it. I don't need a hit by hit account just a tally or some opinions.

EDIT: Never mind ESPN has a tracker.

you dont have to listen to berman this way, so be happy.

theAPAOps5
07-09-2007, 09:32 PM
you dont have to listen to berman this way, so be happy.

back, back, back, back, back, back, back

Jens1893
07-09-2007, 09:33 PM
Shame Holliday couldn´t keep it up. He started off on fire.

Jens1893
07-09-2007, 09:40 PM
back, back, back, back, back, back, back

**** you .... they just had bonds talking thru most of ordonez´ at bat and i dont know whats worse now.

elsid13
07-09-2007, 10:00 PM
Berman sucks, but Morgan is my least favorite color analyst.

SouthStndJunkie
07-09-2007, 10:59 PM
Alex Rios is tearing it up.

SouthStndJunkie
07-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Matt Holliday is in the final four.

SouthStndJunkie
07-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Alex Rios versus Vlad in the finals.

Killericon
07-10-2007, 06:02 AM
Alex Rios versus Vlad in the finals.

I was rooting for Rios, but Vlad was lighting it up. Rios hit more HRs in the end, though.

OrangeShadow
07-10-2007, 07:34 AM
MY pick vlad takes it home

Dukes
07-10-2007, 07:40 AM
Berman sucks, but Morgan is my least favorite color analyst.

How is that possible? Morgan is awesome!

Hogan11
07-10-2007, 10:48 AM
We're about ready to give you Josh Fogg back now!

No way, not even for a used rosin bag. Without question, he's one of the worst pitchers I've ever seen throw a game in a Pirates uniform.

TheChamp24
07-10-2007, 03:24 PM
I will say that the whole derby took way too long, both because of ESPN and the format.
It took 30 minutes to get through 1 hitter, and then 3 hours later it was over. Wow.
Cut down the number of outs for crying out loud, especially after the 1st round.

MechanicalBull
07-10-2007, 06:39 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003783037_webichiro10.html



M's set to sign Ichiro to 5-year deal

By Larry Stone (lstone@seattletimes.com)
Seattle Times staff reporter


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SAN FRANCISCO — One of the Mariners' biggest concerns this season is about to be resolved.
The club is on the verge of locking up Ichiro, their All-Star outfielder whose contract was set to expire after the season, to a five-year contract extension, The Seattle Times has learned. Indications are the deal will approach $100 million and could be announced Friday.

WABronco
07-10-2007, 06:48 PM
!Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

Woooooooohoooooooooo I'm so happy right now!

The losing mentality is no more. "I don't feel a speck of that losing mentality," Ichiro said. "Things are completely different now. The mental state is different and how everyone is taking it is totally different than last year. There have been seasons in the past where the season would be already over at this point.

"But this team has a lot of talent. Every player on this team has something to offer. Up and down the lineup, opposing pitchers don't have a lot of breaks."

YEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Well worth it, be it 20 mil per or whatever.

Requiem
07-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Yahoo!

elsid13
07-10-2007, 07:42 PM
How is that possible? Morgan is awesome!

Guess you must like hear him tell you how great he is???

WABronco
07-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Yahoo!

From Jason Churchill:

"A reliable source has informed me this afternoon that Adam Jones is going to be called up to the big leagues to start Thursday versus the Detroit Tigers."

BEST DAY OF THE ****ING SEASON

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2006/10/31/FFgbij2a.jpg

WAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Prediction:

American League 7

National League 6

MVP: Placido Polanco

Requiem
07-10-2007, 09:05 PM
From Jason Churchill:

"A reliable source has informed me this afternoon that Adam Jones is going to be called up to the big leagues to start Thursday versus the Detroit Tigers."

BEST DAY OF THE ****ING SEASON

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2006/10/31/FFgbij2a.jpg

WAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


**** yeah, America, **** YEAH. Beltre is hot too after a nice series against Oakland.

HOT HOT.

How ironic do you see it that Ichiro decides to extend his contract after Hargrove leaves?

Dude, I'm stoked. My jersey is finally on it's way, and I am playing softball tonight. I'm gonna rock it due to this news.

*shakes it*

YEAH!

Hogan11
07-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Prediction:

American League 7

National League 6

MVP: Placido Polanco

Prediction:

National League 10

American League 0

MVP: Why Prince Fielder, everybody's favorite you know ....he jacks a grand slam, makes every play in the game, hits for the cycle and gets the name of the game itself changed to "The Prince Fielder Mid Summer Classic" as a result of his super human exploits.

OKay, okay I'm sorry....I'm just more than a little sick of this guy is all. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Pretty cool tribute to Willie Mays.

elsid13
07-10-2007, 09:58 PM
AL 8
NL 5

MVP - Manny

OrangeShadow
07-10-2007, 10:42 PM
woohoo, beckett time

OrangeShadow
07-10-2007, 11:13 PM
WOWWW inside the parker for ichiroooooooooooooooo

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2007, 11:14 PM
Ichiro with an inside the park HR.

Early MVP favorite.

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2007, 11:14 PM
First in the history of the all-star game.

SouthStndJunkie
07-11-2007, 01:00 AM
Bases Loaded

2 outs

Bottom of the 9th.

A.L. leads 5-4.

SouthStndJunkie
07-11-2007, 01:01 AM
The American League wins!

5-4

10 straight wins for the A.L. (besides the tie game in 2002).

SouthStndJunkie
07-11-2007, 01:10 AM
Jeanie Zelasko announces to the crowd that Ichiro will be a free agent, when he is closing up a deal to remain a Mariner.

Brilliant!

Requiem
07-11-2007, 01:27 AM
Jeanie deserved to have a train ran on her after that.

Taco John
07-11-2007, 01:29 AM
"We're still talking but we're not at the point where we have anything to announce,"


I'll get excited once his name is on the contract.

Requiem
07-11-2007, 02:00 AM
You should get excited for Adam Jones.

WABronco
07-11-2007, 02:25 AM
AJ was pulled from the AAA all star game...

Our lineup is gonna be sick...

Taco John
07-11-2007, 02:47 AM
I hope you guys are right. I don't know enough about him, but I have seen enough guys pulled up from the minors with a lot of hype who ended up going bust to keep an even keel when the latest one happens to be on the M's.

Hell, to be honest with you, I'm just thrilled that it's July and we still have something to play for!

OrangeShadow
07-11-2007, 11:21 AM
:cuss: papi might have to have surgery on his knee, hes having an mri when he gets back to boston. ****!

TheChamp24
07-11-2007, 04:02 PM
Man, Pujols got pissed he was "benched" basically. Gotta admit, Pujols should've been up there to win the game, oh well though.

Requiem
07-11-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm so excited, and my Mariners jersey should be here today or tomorrow OMG.

WABronco
07-11-2007, 04:39 PM
Now they're saying Jones won't be up on Thursday, but "soon".

Requiem
07-11-2007, 04:41 PM
I'm still listening to People = **** by Slipknot cause it pumps me up for him coming up to the big leagues.

elsid13
07-11-2007, 05:20 PM
:cuss: papi might have to have surgery on his knee, hes having an mri when he gets back to boston. ****!

Relax it will be in the offseason according to the Globe. And it would explain some things.

OrangeShadow
07-11-2007, 07:14 PM
yeah i heard that on WMUR, i thought sportscenter said this year

Requiem
07-11-2007, 08:58 PM
WA, Taco. . . what do you think of the MVN rumors that the Mariners are interested in acquiring Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins? We'd probably have to give up a great prospect. . . (No to Balentein or Jones) or two. . .

Thoughts?!

WABronco
07-11-2007, 09:12 PM
I think he makes sense if he comes at the right price. I'd stay away if the asking price gets to high because he's got a lot of mileage for someone his age, has regressed the past few years, and figures to be a premium name, soon, on the FA market.

SouthStndJunkie
07-12-2007, 11:20 AM
Tigers versus the Mariners tonight.

Felix versus rookie Andrew Miller.

Great match up of young stud pitchers. Add their ages together and they are still younger than Roger Clemens.

Let's go Tigers.

Crowpointer
07-12-2007, 01:01 PM
Taking my son to his first Sox game this Sunday. He is not quite 6 but he has already memorized everything about all the players on the Sox. He wants a Pedroia T shirt (same birthday August 17) but I called the Yawkey way store and they will not be available for a month. He already has Papi so his second choice is Papelbon. Looks like Beckett for the Sunday start. Will be an emotional day for me since it will be my first Sox game since my dad died on Mothers day. I still remember taking the green line as a kid (first time @ 10 years old) to his office in the Pru and walking over to Fenway when they used to play a lot of weekday day games. 80 plus years of my family going to Fenway park (interupted only by a World War) begins a new chapter this Sunday. I'll try to post some pics if anyone interested.

WABronco
07-12-2007, 03:10 PM
Get a load of this:

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Translation: "I wish I had a $20 million CF'er, it'd be a neat little challenge to have someone with that salary on a team that's gutted every 3 years...oh well, I do love me some Alfredo Amezega. Oh, and goodbye Miggy and Dontrelle, have fun in free agency!"

OrangeShadow
07-12-2007, 05:39 PM
Taking my son to his first Sox game this Sunday. He is not quite 6 but he has already memorized everything about all the players on the Sox. He wants a Pedroia T shirt (same birthday August 17) but I called the Yawkey way store and they will not be available for a month. He already has Papi so his second choice is Papelbon. Looks like Beckett for the Sunday start. Will be an emotional day for me since it will be my first Sox game since my dad died on Mothers day. I still remember taking the green line as a kid (first time @ 10 years old) to his office in the Pru and walking over to Fenway when they used to play a lot of weekday day games. 80 plus years of my family going to Fenway park (interupted only by a World War) begins a new chapter this Sunday. I'll try to post some pics if anyone interested.

Id be interested, man i remember my first game it was a blast! yet to make it to one this year but im saving my money for playoff tickets

oh and check ebay for a pedroia shirt :thumbsup:

TheChamp24
07-12-2007, 06:09 PM
Get a load of this:

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Translation: "I wish I had a $20 million CF'er, it'd be a neat little challenge to have someone with that salary on a team that's gutted every 3 years...oh well, I do love me some Alfredo Amezega. Oh, and goodbye Miggy and Dontrelle, have fun in free agency!"

Not everybody is in love with your boy Ichiro. Face it, he isn't worth $20 million a year. Nobody is worth that much, especially at 33.

WABronco
07-12-2007, 06:32 PM
Not everybody is in love with your boy Ichiro. Face it, he isn't worth $20 million a year. Nobody is worth that much, especially at 33.

http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/

He's actually worth more than that.

elsid13
07-12-2007, 06:38 PM
Taking my son to his first Sox game this Sunday. He is not quite 6 but he has already memorized everything about all the players on the Sox. He wants a Pedroia T shirt (same birthday August 17) but I called the Yawkey way store and they will not be available for a month. He already has Papi so his second choice is Papelbon. Looks like Beckett for the Sunday start. Will be an emotional day for me since it will be my first Sox game since my dad died on Mothers day. I still remember taking the green line as a kid (first time @ 10 years old) to his office in the Pru and walking over to Fenway when they used to play a lot of weekday day games. 80 plus years of my family going to Fenway park (interupted only by a World War) begins a new chapter this Sunday. I'll try to post some pics if anyone interested.

Why to keep the tradition going. Were are you sitting?

TheChamp24
07-12-2007, 06:48 PM
http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/

He's actually worth more than that.

lol, using statistical analysis like that people can make it seem anybody could be worth that much.
To say he's worth more IMO based on that is ridiculous.
I just don't see how he is worth that much. I don't think anybody is worth that much really, and thanks to the contracts of some players, the market skyrocketed.
I mean, before this season, I was hearing Andruw Jones would get about $20 mil a year, and thats crazy.

Taco John
07-12-2007, 06:52 PM
Shut up David Sampson.

MechanicalBull
07-12-2007, 06:54 PM
Not everybody is in love with your boy Ichiro. Face it, he isn't worth $20 million a year. Nobody is worth that much, especially at 33.

All these guys make a ridiculous amount of money. A-Rod is going to be turning 32 on July 27 and will be making about $30 million next year.

Maybe the Marlins president is just upset that Ichiro will be making just about the same money as the entire team of the Marlins. Ha!

TheChamp24
07-12-2007, 06:56 PM
All these guys make a ridiculous amount of money. A-Rod is going to be turning 32 on July 27 and will be making about $30 million next year.

That is what makes me shake my head because he isn't worth that. I wish the baseball market would take a nose dive down because good lord its getting out of hand. $10 mil a year for average pitchers? man...

MechanicalBull
07-12-2007, 06:59 PM
That is what makes me shake my head because he isn't worth that. I wish the baseball market would take a nose dive down because good lord its getting out of hand. $10 mil a year for average pitchers? man...

That's the thing that really bothers me guys like A-Rod, Manny, Jeter and so on making $15-25 million doesn't really bother me but when guys like Gil Meche makes $10 million that's way too much for him.

Patriots4ever
07-12-2007, 09:00 PM
I see we have a few Red Sox fans here. :)

My wife and I had the opportunity to take a tour of Fenway on 7/1/07. I took 68 pics from practically every imaginable angle of this beautiful ballpark. Instead of posting the pics 1 by 1, here is the link where you can view them at your leisure. Enjoy!

http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979

Here's a pic of me and my wife in the "new" Green Monster seats.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/patriots4ever/FenwayTour010.jpg

elsid13
07-12-2007, 09:02 PM
I see we have a few Red Sox fans here. :)

My wife and I had the opportunity to take a tour of Fenway on 7/1/07. I took 68 pics from practically every imaginable angle of this beautiful ballpark. Instead of posting the pics 1 by 1, here is the link where you can view them at your leisure. Enjoy!

http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979

Here's a pic of me and my wife in the "new" Green Monster seats.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/patriots4ever/FenwayTour010.jpg

Welcome to board. The mane is always looking for good posters and you get extra credit from me if you are part of Sox Nation.

MechanicalBull
07-12-2007, 09:06 PM
A-Rod hits another HR. 31 hr 87 rbi.

elsid13
07-12-2007, 09:07 PM
A-Rod hits another HR. 31 hr 87 rbi.

He's still a pussy.

Hogan11
07-12-2007, 09:12 PM
Shut up David Sampson.

Man, I hate that guy.

Hogan11
07-12-2007, 09:17 PM
Welcome to board. The mane is always looking for good posters and you get extra credit from me if you are part of Sox Nation.

When I went in 2002, I sat in the bleachers straight out from home plate (where the "Southies" sit, so I was told)....I had the sun in my face for 7 innings. The Park was getting pretty beat then but I understand they've done some renovations since. Parking was unbelievable.

I'm still glad I went though and in spite of all that, I had a good time....after this year, the only classic park left to see for me will be Wrigley.

elsid13
07-12-2007, 09:26 PM
When I went in 2002, I sat in the bleachers straight out from home plate (where the "Southies" sit, so I was told)....I had the sun in my face for 7 innings. The Park was getting pretty beat then but I understand they've done some renovations since. Parking was unbelievable.

I'm still glad I went though and in spite of all that, I had a good time....after this year, the only classic park left to see for me will be Wrigley.

Yeah I understand they done a outstanding job at Fenway, I saw your boys play the Nats a month ago and RFK needs to go. The new ballpark in DC will be awsome.

Hogan11
07-12-2007, 09:30 PM
Yeah I understand they done a outstanding job at Fenway, I saw your boys play the Nats a month ago and RFK needs to go. The new ballpark in DC will be awsome.

Never been to RFK, but yeah...I hear that it's on it's last legs. I like checking things out like that for myself though. After all the bullshat I used to hear about the Big O in Montreal being so bad, I went and found out that in reality, it was actually better than what the Skydome is today. So go figure.

Crowpointer
07-12-2007, 09:37 PM
Id be interested, man i remember my first game it was a blast! yet to make it to one this year but im saving my money for playoff tickets

oh and check ebay for a pedroia shirt :thumbsup:

Man tickets have been brutal this year. I will only pay face which means I have to grovel for the office tickets loge box(free:thumbsup:) or network with people who have seasons. We just had 2 new people join the firm with seasons. One has 2 together 1st row dugout seats (aka Ben affleck seats) I have those in September .The other are 10 rows behind home plate but are 4 together. These are $100 apeice and I am working on getting those. This year is as tight as I have ever seen it. Pedroia shirts not available in kids sizes yet but should be for his birthday.

OrangeShadow
07-12-2007, 09:39 PM
I see we have a few Red Sox fans here. :)

My wife and I had the opportunity to take a tour of Fenway on 7/1/07. I took 68 pics from practically every imaginable angle of this beautiful ballpark. Instead of posting the pics 1 by 1, here is the link where you can view them at your leisure. Enjoy!

http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979

Here's a pic of me and my wife in the "new" Green Monster seats.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/patriots4ever/FenwayTour010.jpg

ive sat in those seats twice. they are amazing

Hogan11
07-12-2007, 09:39 PM
My Fenway ticket stub says...section: 36, Row 19, Seat 15.

Crowpointer
07-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Why to keep the tradition going. Were are you sitting?

Loge Box 150 (the $85 seats but free for me) Directly behind visitor dugout. Second row so only 14 rows from field since only 12 rows in field boxes. Best part is more leg room and we have only 4 in row. I'll probably spend $100 just on hot dogs and popcorn alone with fenway prices LOL

WABronco
07-12-2007, 09:44 PM
lol, using statistical analysis like that people can make it seem anybody could be worth that much.
To say he's worth more IMO based on that is ridiculous.
I just don't see how he is worth that much. I don't think anybody is worth that much really, and thanks to the contracts of some players, the market skyrocketed.
I mean, before this season, I was hearing Andruw Jones would get about $20 mil a year, and thats crazy.

He's contributed more to his offense than any other CF'er in the league (on average) for a while now. That includes all the slugging freaks like Beltran and Hunter and Sizemore. Add in his speed skills and superb defense, and you get the best CF'er in baseball. That is, of course, debateable, but you cannot debate what the market dictates. Will he age well enough to be worth 20 mil at 38 years old? I wouldn't bet on it, but he is an absolutely freakish athlete and he keeps his body in great shape.

And then, if you want to include the revenue that he generates just by himself.....

I'm very happy that he's been retained at what I think will become a very fair contract once this next FA period comes around.

As for the Marlins dude, it sounds like most fish fans think he's a moron and more of an administrator than a baseball person. The bigger problem here is mediocre players getting big money because of the market (Zito, Meche, etc.), not the elite players getting top dollar. AROD could change all that, though...

elsid13
07-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Soxs taking it to Halladay tonight.

Crowpointer
07-12-2007, 09:48 PM
ive sat in those seats twice. they are amazing

I love sitting up there with the view and the concessions. The best part is a breeze on a hot night. Only bad part is trying to see that little scoreboard that shows balls and strikes as shown in that picture.

Hogan11
07-12-2007, 09:50 PM
As for the Marlins dude, it sounds like most fish fans think he's a moron and more of an administrator than a baseball person.

Loria & Sampson come to bury and move fanchises, not help them in any way. The Sith only exist to try to swindle a new stadium built totally on the public coin from whatever city they're in....and to go into self-destruct mode when it doesn't happen.

That is their primary function in the eyes of MLB. I'm convinced of that.

OrangeShadow
07-12-2007, 09:53 PM
jays back within a run with back to back homers

WABronco
07-13-2007, 12:59 AM
Wow SSJ Bruce Froeming just shat all over that half inning. That was nuts. Guillen might've gotten Beltre on the elbow on the third try, but it didn't look like it on one angle. Belly touched second too, so that appeal thing was just bad.

But yea...3-2 Seattle wooooooooo!

Miller has nasty stuff too. I'll wait for Morrow to start a couple games before I really start bitching, but it looks like Seattle made a serious mistake by going with the safe bet in Brandon Morrow.

Killericon
07-13-2007, 01:34 AM
Does anyone have any thoughts on what's going to happen to Andrew Jones?

SouthStndJunkie
07-13-2007, 04:04 AM
Wow SSJ Bruce Froeming just shat all over that half inning. That was nuts. Guillen might've gotten Beltre on the elbow on the third try, but it didn't look like it on one angle. Belly touched second too, so that appeal thing was just bad.

But yea...3-2 Seattle wooooooooo!

Miller has nasty stuff too. I'll wait for Morrow to start a couple games before I really start b****ing, but it looks like Seattle made a serious mistake by going with the safe bet in Brandon Morrow.

"He might have tagged me," Beltre said, smiling.

Props on the win.....weird game. Pudge got tossed and then the Guillen play. I was worried that Pudge getting tossed would affect Andrew Miller, and I think it did to some extent.

Tigers left way too many runners stranded as well.

3 games left in the series.

OrangeShadow
07-13-2007, 09:13 PM
tavarez pitching like piss again time to call up the kid

Crowpointer
07-13-2007, 09:53 PM
tavarez pitching like piss again time to call up the kid

We're watching the game together and my son saw the pictures in your post and said " Oh dad I didn't know Papelbon had a girlfriend. she kinda looks like Tina Cervasio". :rofl: I'm totally seroius.

Hogan11
07-13-2007, 10:20 PM
Pirates getting killed in Atlanta...and they're bringing in Tony Armless Jr. to pitch......

Time to shut the game off. :(

SpringStein
07-13-2007, 10:55 PM
Tulo with a 2 run HR for Rockies. Possible for him to have 20 as a rookie.

elsid13
07-13-2007, 11:14 PM
We're watching the game together and my son saw the pictures in your post and said " Oh dad I didn't know Papelbon had a girlfriend. she kinda looks like Tina Cervasio". :rofl: I'm totally seroius.

That good. What happend to DL Drew???

SouthStndJunkie
07-13-2007, 11:48 PM
Sheffield just hit a grand slam!

Clear dem bases!

SouthStndJunkie
07-14-2007, 01:54 AM
Tigers 6
Mariners 3

Sheff with a grand slam and Bonderman gets win #10 on the year.

OrangeShadow
07-14-2007, 07:51 AM
We're watching the game together and my son saw the pictures in your post and said " Oh dad I didn't know Papelbon had a girlfriend. she kinda looks like Tina Cervasio". :rofl: I'm totally seroius.

Hilarious!

WABronco
07-14-2007, 05:56 PM
At least that's the view of Florida Marlins president David Samson, who this week said of Ichiro Suzuki's extension with the Mariners: "It'll take the sport down, that contract." He also called it "the end of the world as we know it."

It doesn't look like baseball's king of hyperbole will be getting a Christmas card from Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi. As for any thoughts of Seattle acquiring Dontrelle Willis for the stretch run, you can probably scratch that, too.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is, '(Expletive) Dave Samson,' then don't say anything at all," Bavasi said Thursday. "So I'm not going to say anything at all. Is my mother the greatest or what?"

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Requiem
07-14-2007, 07:08 PM
LMAO!

Dude, got the alternet/retro Majestic Mariners jersey today. I didn't think it'd look as good as it did. It fits nice and everything, but has a nice weight to it and looks really authentic. Crazy color, but **** yeah!

Ichiro we don't pay you 90 miwwion dowwas for 1-8 after the break. ;)

SpringStein
07-14-2007, 09:13 PM
Bad news for Brewers fans - Ben Sheets left the game in the 4th with an injury to his middle finger on his ring hand.

OrangeShadow
07-14-2007, 10:46 PM
We're watching the game together and my son saw the pictures in your post and said " Oh dad I didn't know Papelbon had a girlfriend. she kinda looks like Tina Cervasio". :rofl: I'm totally seroius.

hes actually married i believe

Requiem
07-15-2007, 01:00 AM
LMAO. That Johjima at bat went on forever. Hilarious GS.

Hogan11
07-15-2007, 02:53 AM
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is, '(Expletive) Dave Samson,' then don't say anything at all," Bavasi said Thursday. "So I'm not going to say anything at all. Is my mother the greatest or what?"

She doesn't have to say anything....the people of Montreal already said everything that needs to be said about Loria & Sampson.

Hogan11
07-15-2007, 02:54 AM
BTW, The Braves can suck it

WABronco
07-15-2007, 03:09 AM
Wow this is the first time in a long time that I've been this jacked about the second half, much less a series.

Go M's!

http://marinerds.com/pictures/040307/158-FunkBlast.JPG

Killericon
07-15-2007, 03:22 AM
Ichiro@17 milluion a year > Vernon Wells@18 Million a year.

24champ
07-15-2007, 03:23 AM
At least that's the view of Florida Marlins president David Samson, who this week said of Ichiro Suzuki's extension with the Mariners: "It'll take the sport down, that contract." He also called it "the end of the world as we know it."

It doesn't look like baseball's king of hyperbole will be getting a Christmas card from Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi. As for any thoughts of Seattle acquiring Dontrelle Willis for the stretch run, you can probably scratch that, too.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is, '(Expletive) Dave Samson,' then don't say anything at all," Bavasi said Thursday. "So I'm not going to say anything at all. Is my mother the greatest or what?"

BAHAHAHAHAHA


Hilarious!


I would love to pry Miguel Caberera or D-Train from those guys.


Dodgers win in a nail biter and win their 11th straight in San Freaksisco. Gotta love it!:sunshine:


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070715/capt.eaa762abd03e4154aee63a88396e0b1a.dodgers_gian ts_baseball__fxpb206.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070715/capt.5b0b470c725d4500a0389abc200fd012.correction_d odgers_giants_baseball__fxpb203.jpg

Crowpointer
07-15-2007, 07:13 AM
hes actually married i believe

That's OK. In my (not quite) 6 year old's mind he is now dating Tina C. Why mess with that illusion ? Man it is going to be hot at the game. Gotta hit the atm as I'm sure he'll want lots ice cream sandwiches and soda and dad might have a few brewski's ;)

OrangeShadow
07-15-2007, 06:04 PM
beckett shoulda won #13 today. god damn offense

24champ
07-16-2007, 01:15 AM
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8043/image2xy6.jpg


How sweep it is!



SAN FRANCISCO – Remember the joyful, playful Barry Bonds who welcomed one and all at the All-Star Game only five days ago?

He's buried under an 0 for 20 slump, including a humiliating series against the Los Angeles Dodgers that included three losses and a flurry of strikeouts, double-play ground balls and pop-ups by the player Giants manager Bruce Bochy calls, "our go-to guy."

So Bonds ripped Bonds.

"It's an embarrassment for me to be wearing this (bleeping) uniform, the way I'm performing," he said after angrily telling television crews to turn off their cameras.

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"Now, get away."

Reporters standing at his locker lingered for one more question.

So Bonds cursed Bonds.

"I said it's an embarrassment for me to wear this (bleeping uniform), the way I'm playing," he repeated.

He waved his arm at the throng.

"Now, get out of here."

The reporters dispersed, and good thing. Anybody in Bonds way might have suffered the same fate as the laundry cart that blocked his way to the trainer's room. He knocked it over, its wheels spinning in the musty air.

The Giants spun their wheels for three days against their rivals to the south, and Bonds spun his heels, swinging and missing, swinging and nicking only the top or bottom of the ball. He remains at 751 home runs, four from catching leader Hank Aaron on the all-time list, and the way he's going it might take a while. His last homer came July 3.

Bochy opined that his slugger might have been "a little pull conscious," but Bonds dismissed the suggestion to reporters, saying, "That's not it."

Bonds had a flight to Chicago to contemplate what the problem might be. As for the Giants, nothing is expected to help their plight. Two series on the road against the resurgent Cubs and Milwaukee Brewers aren't likely to serve as a balm.

"Getting swept at home shouldn't happen," Bochy said. "I don't know. Maybe (a road trip) will help us. We certainly aren't playing the type of baseball we need to play here at home."

The Giants couldn’t muster much offense against Dodgers fill-in starter Brett Tomko, and they were held scoreless by four relievers over the last four innings in the 5-3 loss.

Bonds popped up against closer Takashi Saito to end the game. He struck out with two runners on base to end the seventh. He popped up with a runner on third to end the fifth. He stranded runners in the first and third as well.

His most solid contact was with a laundry cart. His most pointed criticism was directed at himself.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ApyPbQK4FvS_qs._99NST9cRvLYF?slug=sh-bonds071507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LOL

SouthStndJunkie
07-16-2007, 02:01 AM
Tigers 11

Mariners 7

Each team took 2 games of the series. Good series to watch.

Nice to see Maggs go yard tonight. It had been a while for him.

WABronco
07-16-2007, 02:50 AM
I'll take the split...now we just have to take care of biz against B-more.

Crowpointer
07-16-2007, 02:09 PM
beckett shoulda won #13 today. god damn offense

Beckett has enjoyed (except yesterday) some of the best run support in the majors. Still should have walked away with the w. Only one "come from behind" victory this year but have only blown one game when winning in the 9th. I'll post pictures when I get a chance later. Other than the loss we had the best time for my sons first game. One of the keys is the shade on the third base side (we were in sun for one inning). It must have been 15 degrees cooler when we were in the shade because it was very breezy. He had a ball . He had a K sign he held up after the Beckett strikeouts. He was so focused on the game he really didn't even care about the concessions. He had his glove ready for any pop ups . He was bummed (as were we all) when Papi got thrown out at home (although it was a great throw) Heading home he asked "dad when's the next game we're going to". I guess that is a double thumbs up.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

OrangeShadow
07-16-2007, 09:42 PM
WOO home run big papi!!!!!! 4-0 sox

Jens1893
07-16-2007, 10:20 PM
Beckett has enjoyed (except yesterday) some of the best run support in the majors. Still should have walked away with the w. Only one "come from behind" victory this year but have only blown one game when winning in the 9th. I'll post pictures when I get a chance later. Other than the loss we had the best time for my sons first game. One of the keys is the shade on the third base side (we were in sun for one inning). It must have been 15 degrees cooler when we were in the shade because it was very breezy. He had a ball . He had a K sign he held up after the Beckett strikeouts. He was so focused on the game he really didn't even care about the concessions. He had his glove ready for any pop ups . He was bummed (as were we all) when Papi got thrown out at home (although it was a great throw) Heading home he asked "dad when's the next game we're going to". I guess that is a double thumbs up.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Have him call and beg your partner. Denying a kid a wish can be downright impossible sometimes. ;)

Glad he enjoyed it, but don´t take him too often or he´ll swap your Pats STs for Red Sox STs. :)

SpringStein
07-16-2007, 11:37 PM
Ugly game with Pirates, but Rockies hold on to a 10-8 win.

Corpas with a 1-2-3 ninth. I have a lot more confidence in him than Fuentes...

SouthStndJunkie
07-17-2007, 12:33 AM
A-Rod has 32 HRs and 89 RBIs right now.

He is on pace for a monster year.

Paladin
07-17-2007, 12:39 AM
Ugly game with Pirates, but Rockies hold on to a 10-8 win.

Corpas with a 1-2-3 ninth. I have a lot more confidence in him than Fuentes...

Dadgum Rockies are afraid of winning! They were up 9-1 and nearly blew it. Hurdle held onto the starter too long, and nearly loses it. Two poor calls against the Rockies in that game, though.

These guys are the Old Cubs of the West......

Maybe the Old Phillies.....

24champ
07-17-2007, 02:55 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070717/capt.465a977cd1d541a6b78cd46b3523c232.phillies_dod gers_baseball_lad108.jpg

The Blue Crew keeps rolling along...5 straight wins.

8')

Hogan11
07-17-2007, 11:55 AM
Ugly game with Pirates, but Rockies hold on to a 10-8 win.

Corpas with a 1-2-3 ninth. I have a lot more confidence in him than Fuentes...

Dadgum Rockies are afraid of winning! They were up 9-1 and nearly blew it. Hurdle held onto the starter too long, and nearly loses it. Two poor calls against the Rockies in that game, though.

VanBenbullshat is the worst pitcher on the Pirates staff...with him on the mound and the Rockies playing like they have been, I pretty much conceeded that game. Youman, OTOH, has been stellar and I'm very interested to see how Fogg handles his return to Pittsburgh. He'll probably pitch a great game though, since the Pirates seem to have trouble against the most medicore pitchers on the oppositions staff. (Fogg was absolutely horrid while in Pittsburgh).

It doesn't matter much anymore...@ 12 1/2 out, it's pretty much over....I'm just interested in seeing if they gut the team or not now.

elsid13
07-18-2007, 03:45 AM
just came back from a game at Safeco - great field no fans (and especial no girls!!!),

24champ
07-18-2007, 03:54 AM
Ouch...tonight hurt 15-3 shellacking by the Phillies. Hope our pitching staff heals up soon! IE Kuo and Wolf.

WABronco
07-18-2007, 04:03 AM
just came back from a game at Safeco - great field no fans (and especial no girls!!!),

Wow man you musta sat in the wrong section...

What are you doing out here?

TheChamp24
07-18-2007, 05:02 AM
VanBenbullshat is the worst pitcher on the Pirates staff...with him on the mound and the Rockies playing like they have been, I pretty much conceeded that game. Youman, OTOH, has been stellar and I'm very interested to see how Fogg handles his return to Pittsburgh. He'll probably pitch a great game though, since the Pirates seem to have trouble against the most medicore pitchers on the oppositions staff. (Fogg was absolutely horrid while in Pittsburgh).

It doesn't matter much anymore...@ 12 1/2 out, it's pretty much over....I'm just interested in seeing if they gut the team or not now.

Can you call it or what?

elsid13
07-18-2007, 10:15 AM
Wow man you musta sat in the wrong section...

What are you doing out here?

I'm out here for work in Bremerton. My buddy and myself pretty much wander all over the place and ended up in the beer garden for 7th inning til end. Meet some interesting drinking buddies (that gave us the lay of the "land"- where to go to drink, where to eat, etc). BTW putting the local FOX sports casters out in the drinking garden to do thier report - not a good idea.

Like I posted the field is nice let of great views, but there wasn't that many folks last night. It was the O's though.

Paladin
07-18-2007, 10:26 AM
Go Phillies!!!!!!!!

SpringStein
07-18-2007, 03:37 PM
Fogg last night and Francis today both gave 7 good innings when the BP really needed a rest. Thank you Pittsburgh.

TheChamp24
07-18-2007, 05:45 PM
btw, how much you guys wanna bet that Corpas remains the teams closer?

SpringStein
07-18-2007, 06:05 PM
btw, how much you guys wanna bet that Corpas remains the teams closer?

Please, please may it be so.

MechanicalBull
07-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Mariners to defer $25 million of Ichiro's contract and he will not fully be paid until 2032. The guy is going to be in his 60s and still getting a paycheck from the Mariners. That makes me wonder if Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid by the Mets or not?

http://http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mariners-suzuki&prov=ap&type=lgns

OrangeShadow
07-18-2007, 07:12 PM
hey crowpointer, heres a way to get your kid a pedroia shirt

http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1194708&cp=1452345.1452685

PatsWin2002
07-18-2007, 07:45 PM
hey crowpointer, heres a way to get your kid a pedroia shirt

http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1194708&cp=1452345.1452685


The t-shirt may have to suffice for now!

http://cgi.ebay.com/DUSTIN-PEDROIA-15-Red-Sox-T-Shirt-Jersey-RED-SMALL_W0QQitemZ150143356438QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2488 9QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www151.pair.com/cartman/pedroia_red.jpg

Bronco LB 59
07-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Fogg last night and Francis today both gave 7 good innings when the BP really needed a rest. Thank you Pittsburgh.

It's not going to happen, but in a perfect world, the Rockies should make some moves and make a run at glory. Like the 02 Angels and 03 Marlins demonstrated, the system is now setup where a non front-runner can come out of nowhere and win a World Series championship. Nobody is assured of a playoff berth in the National League right now.

OrangeShadow
07-18-2007, 08:15 PM
lol i was just looking at those on ebay pats. But im gonna check the local stores first

Hogan11
07-18-2007, 09:22 PM
Fogg last night and Francis today both gave 7 good innings when the BP really needed a rest. Thank you Pittsburgh.

The Pirates have officially mailed it in......when does training camp start again?

24champ
07-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Go Phillies!!!!!!!!

Oreno chinko Swe!


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070718/capt.2b441136dae74ed3b4dc77445930fcd5.phillies_dod gers_baseball_lad116.jpg

TheChamp24
07-19-2007, 12:26 AM
It's not going to happen, but in a perfect world, the Rockies should make some moves and make a run at glory. Like the 02 Angels and 03 Marlins demonstrated, the system is now setup where a non front-runner can come out of nowhere and win a World Series championship. Nobody is assured of a playoff berth in the National League right now.

Rockies would need to trade for pitching help. Try to get another starter and solidify the bullpen.

SouthStndJunkie
07-19-2007, 12:46 AM
The Tigers beat Johan Santana and the Twins.......3-2.

That guy is filthy. Nice to get the win against him.

Crowpointer
07-19-2007, 03:38 PM
Here are some Pics of his first game as promised. No Pedroia shirt for a while. He got a Papelbon and an Ortiz bobblehead. Nothing matches taking your kid to a game and see him enjoy it as much as you do.

MechanicalBull
07-19-2007, 06:16 PM
Bonds with 2 homeruns today 753.

DomCasual
07-20-2007, 12:10 AM
Rockies up 4-1.

I send TJ the PM, asking to close the "Anyone Rockies Fans" thread.

TJ posts my PM in the thread, thus reactivating the thread.

Rockies immediately lose, in soul-killing fashion.

At least it's dead, and it can't hurt anyone anymore.

OBF1
07-20-2007, 01:19 AM
Barry kicks a$$. Just a matter of time now. I hope he does it against the Dodgers in 2 weeks.

theAPAOps5
07-20-2007, 01:33 AM
Barry kicks a$$. Just a matter of time now. I hope he does it against the Dodgers in 2 weeks.

And the most hallowed record in Baseball and maybe all of sports is about to be tainted by a low life cheater. Can't wait for that to happen. Just counting down the days.

TheChamp24
07-20-2007, 01:50 AM
Way to blow it bullpen to the worst team in baseball.

24champ
07-20-2007, 03:38 AM
Barry kicks a$$. Just a matter of time now. I hope he does it against the Dodgers in 2 weeks.

You know in the postgame today after he hit 2 HR it still pisses him off that he was beyond pathetic in the LA series. He will break the record and he will try to break it in SF because that is probably the only place that cares about his quest for the HR title. Babe's 714 HR will be more impressive than Hank Aaron's and Hank's 755 will be more impressive than B*nds. B*nds didn't play in an era where throwing at batters is common, he has to wear an armor from his elbow to his leg. Personally If I was pitching tomorrow against B*nds, I will hurl a 99mph heater to his head, then again the Brewers could just sign Russ Springer to a three day contract.LOL

Jens1893
07-20-2007, 07:35 AM
Chris Carpenter is to undergo Tommy John surgery

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/19/cardinals.carpenter.ap/index.html

OrangeShadow
07-20-2007, 08:36 PM
mother ****in umps just cost the sox 2 runs :cuss: !!!!!

Crowpointer
07-20-2007, 08:49 PM
mother ****in umps just cost the sox 2 runs :cuss: !!!!!

They're has to be a way to make these guys accountable for horsesheeet calls !

OrangeShadow
07-20-2007, 09:02 PM
3 run bomb for thome, 3-1 white sox but it should be 3-3 and beckett is getting screwed hardcore

SpringStein
07-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Watching Nationals play D makes me thankful that the Rockies work as hard as they do.

Pathetic.

elsid13
07-20-2007, 09:51 PM
Darn business travel missing the freaking game. But the way the Sox have played this week it most likely for the best

DomCasual
07-20-2007, 11:04 PM
So, does Corpas continue closing? Or does Fuentes get a little work in late innings to brush up on his skills, then take back over?

My vote would be the former, until (if) he screws up.

I'm seriously getting excited about these guys. They've got the best record in the NL since the middle of May, and that's with Fuentes blowing those four saves in a row. Plus, they've shown the ability to bounce back from soul-killing bumps in the road. Next week is going to be HUGE!

And they're finally out of 4th place (barely).

SpringStein
07-20-2007, 11:30 PM
Corpas - love the kid.

If Fuentes has any value, I'd get what you can - or move him back to the 8th and get his confidence back.

TheChamp24
07-21-2007, 02:58 AM
With Fuentes, he's an excellent relief pitcher to have, especially going up against a lefty.
This team needs more pitching help though, and some more pop on the bench, but that seems to have gotten better.
Man, remember in May with Mabry and Finley? Good lord that was awful, now we have Spilborghs and Sullivan playin solid.

OrangeShadow
07-21-2007, 07:22 AM
man the sox seem fired up after tito got tossed. drew went the other way twice and hit it hard a third time. lugo is hitting 400 in july coco came through and beckett pitched awesome despite not getting hardly any calls.

Crowpointer
07-21-2007, 08:16 AM
man the sox seem fired up after tito got tossed. drew went the other way twice and hit it hard a third time. lugo is hitting 400 in july coco came through and beckett pitched awesome despite not getting hardly any calls.

I not an expert lip reader but I could have sworn Beckett told Pierzynski to f-off after he was thrown out trying to stretch that single to a double. :giggle:

PatsWin2002
07-21-2007, 07:36 PM
I not an expert lip reader but I could have sworn Beckett told Pierzynski to f-off after he was thrown out trying to stretch that single to a double. :giggle:

I saw that on the replay several times......HE SURE DID!

SpringStein
07-21-2007, 07:59 PM
After their 3-0 loss today, Rockies need to win tomorrow to split with the Nationals and have a 6-4 road trip.

Paladin
07-21-2007, 09:13 PM
That team is so exasperating in its inconsistency.

OrangeShadow
07-21-2007, 09:14 PM
I not an expert lip reader but I could have sworn Beckett told Pierzynski to f-off after he was thrown out trying to stretch that single to a double. :giggle:

seems like Aj pisses off everyone he comes across :rofl:

MechanicalBull
07-21-2007, 11:19 PM
A-Rod so far today 1 hr(33) and 3 rbi(95)

24champ
07-22-2007, 02:55 AM
Penny still money
By Steve Henson, Yahoo! Sports
July 21, 2007

LOS ANGELES – No doubt about it. Stubborn ol' Brad Penny is back, brusque and obstinate as ever. Yet this time he's winning in spite of himself, and so far nobody's been embarrassed.

Penny was especially curt with the media after his two starts since the All-Star Game. But the Los Angeles Dodgers only care that he won both, including overcoming a shaky beginning in an 8-6 victory over the New York Mets on Saturday, to improve to 12-1.

He's the rock on a staff beset by injuries and mediocrity, so everyone has shrugged and left him alone, even when he kicked an object in the dugout after being lifted with two on and one out in the seventh inning. Moments later, Dodgers reliever Joe Beimel got pinch-hitter Paul Lo Duca to ground into a double play, ensuring a victory for Penny, who is off to a better start than Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Don Sutton or Orel Hershiser ever had. Reliever Phil Regan (1966) is the only other Dodger to begin a season 12-1 since the team moved to L.A.

The Penny-will-be-Penny uneasiness began five days earlier when he walked away in a huff after being asked by Kevin Pearson of the Riverside Press-Enterprise about his poor second half last season.

"It's got nothing to do with last year," Penny said. "This isn't last year … I'm done talking about that."

He said even less Saturday, responding to softball questions with terse answers. Of course, last year was last year, no one can dispute that. It's just that last year Penny started similarly well, then imploded on the mound and exploded at everyone from umpires to manager Grady Little.

It's natural to wonder whether he'll relapse, and maybe that notion grates at him. After all, he has come a long way. Penny did a lot of thinking during the off-season while sitting around the campfire at his ranch near Tulsa, Okla. He also sharpened his mechanics, stopped tipping off his breaking ball, and came to spring training significantly lighter in weight and mood.

The result has been a career year. He is the first Dodgers starter to win seven in a row since Kevin Brown won nine straight in 2003. His only loss came May 18 to the Los Angeles Angels, and he has given up more than one run in only three of his last 11 starts and in only six of 20 this season.

He is tied with Carlos Zambrano for the National League lead in victories, is third with a 2.42 earned-run average and has held opponents to a .240 batting average.

And when he needs support, – as he did Saturday when the Mets scored two runs in the second inning and two in the third – an offense that normally rations runs like lost hikers doling out sips of water opened the floodgates.

"Every time we give Brad a cushion, he keeps the other guys from scoring," Dodgers catcher Russell Martin said.

Allowed Penny, at his most verbose: "You're going to give up runs, and when you do, you just have to keep throwing."

He's become a relentless strike-thrower, relying less on his 95 mph fastball and more on a slow curve and split-finger changeup. It's not in Penny's nature to give in to anybody. Five weeks ago in another victory over the Mets, he believed Shawn Green had relayed pitches to hitters while running the bases and verbally blasted the veteran outfielder to his face. Green didn't play Saturday despite batting more than .400 lifetime against Penny.

Maybe intimidation is a necessary part of Penny's game. Maybe he can dial in just the right dose of surliness. Maybe he won't melt down.

Certainly, he doesn't want to entertain the idea.

"There are going to be days when it's not your day, and this was one of them," he said.

Actually, it was his day, and the Dodgers', and perhaps that's the point.

Crusty Penny and Lucky Penny, one in the same.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhndtUwBVlHlBC1o2SYSrE4RvLYF?slug=sh-penny072107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

24champ
07-22-2007, 03:30 AM
Watching games like todays win always makes me realize that the future is so bright I gotta wear shades.8')

Broxton aka THE OX, has some nasty stuff.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070721/capt.9e1743b0fb02472fb6f1baff990b04c9.mets_dodgers _baseball_camw109.jpg


Matt Kemp! Guy is going to be a Superstar.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070721/capt.ca092574fe14403fba4796883917ab53.mets_dodgers _baseball_camw105.jpg



Chad Billingsley also has nasty stuff.

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/images/2006/06/26/byghzrFm.jpg

James Loney is going to be one of the best first basemen in MLB.

http://dodgers.mlb.com/images/2004/10/15/qNtgUdCe.jpg



and of course Russell Martin, already one of the best catchers in the game today.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070615/capt.3a11a08f5b0f48ada949d6f94d59c98d.martins_emer gence_baseball_la111.jpg

elsid13
07-22-2007, 01:31 PM
Red Sox manager Terry Francona announced today that Jon Lester has been recalled from Pawtucket and will start tomorrow night in Cleveland. Julian Tavarez is going to the bullpen. A roster move will be announced after the game. The easiest move available to the Sox would be to send Javier Lopez, who has options, back to Pawtucket.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/07/lester_called_u.html

OrangeShadow
07-22-2007, 05:30 PM
thats good to hear, tavarez's legs been bothering him he needs to be in the pen

elsid13
07-22-2007, 05:58 PM
thats good to hear, tavarez's legs been bothering him he needs to be in the pen

As long as it not to showcase Lester for a trade.

OrangeShadow
07-22-2007, 06:11 PM
no way,hes a theo guy 100% just like pedroia ellisbury and bucholz

WABronco
07-22-2007, 07:40 PM
Oh darn you guys axed Pineroid.

Remember when he was in the running for your closer job...that was funny.

OrangeShadow
07-22-2007, 07:51 PM
Oh darn you guys axed Pineroid.

Remember when he was in the running for your closer job...that was funny.

yeah that one was doomed from the get go. but at least the other offseason moves (lugo,drew) are starting to pan out :thumbs:

TheChamp24
07-22-2007, 10:04 PM
Rockies shut out AGAIN by the Nats, thats embarassing...

SpringStein
07-22-2007, 10:09 PM
Rockies shut out AGAIN by the Nats, thats embarassing...

shhhhh. beyond embarrassing.

24champ
07-22-2007, 10:44 PM
Rockies shut out AGAIN by the Nats, thats embarassing...

I think everyone got embarrassed today in the NL West...cept the D-backs.

Paladin
07-24-2007, 01:23 AM
Rockies are so inconsistent. They looked like crap warmed over in Washington and the first seven innings tonight. Bam! Holiday finally wakes up and Hawpe finally hits one.

Memo to Hurdle: This is not entertainment. This is torture....

SpringStein
07-24-2007, 02:29 AM
Good to see that other teams' bullpen blows a great game from a starter from time to time...

24champ
07-24-2007, 03:43 AM
Meanwhile the Dodgers Kids continue to shine...



James Loney with a three-run shot tonight.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070724/capt.0ac07d70a9144c10a603537809dc2988.dodgers_astr os_baseball_hta110.jpg

Chad Billingsley had a complete game, almost had the shutout but a two run shot in the 9th voided that.


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070724/capt.c2a8e8d391f340bfb0a04214f020ad28.dodgers_astr os_baseball_hta109.jpg

Results in a 10-2 win over the Astros and now 2 games over the slumping Padres who just lost 4 in a row. Hope this continues.:thumbsup:

OrangeShadow
07-24-2007, 07:22 AM
6IP 2 runs 6Ks for lester. he really only had one bad inning. i was very impressed

Drek
07-24-2007, 11:12 AM
no way,hes a theo guy 100% just like pedroia ellisbury and bucholz

We almost traded him last year for Andruw Jones, but ATL wanted Crisp, Lester, and Hansen.

I think Theo is above the concept of "his guys". He dissects the potential outcome of making/not making each deal that comes across his desk and responds accordingly. If the White Sox would've taken Lester + Murphy for Buerhle instead of insisting on two of Lester, Bucholz, and Ellsbury you can bet that deal would've been done ASAP.

Good outing for Jon, though it wouldn't surprise me if it is a move focused on pumping up trade value. He still has a hard time getting through innings efficiently and is now clearly a step behind Bucholz as a prospect with Bowden and Masterson closing in fast. Add Gabbard to the mix due to his currently play and we've got a pretty nice stable of young starters waiting in the wings. Depending on what's available it wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of them moved. Short of us getting Miguel Cabrera it won't be Bucholz, but if its Teixiera or someone of that sort I could see it.

Bronco LB 59
07-24-2007, 04:33 PM
Rockies fans, here's a clip I took of Ian Stewart last night:

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Master___Pain
07-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Rockies fans, here's a clip I took of Ian Stewart last night:

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The hell? You come to the springs with out hollering?;)

DomCasual
07-25-2007, 06:43 PM
Aaron Cook threw a nine-inning complete game with just 74 pitches (74 PITCHES!) against the Padres today.

That's seriously got to be a Coor's Field record (if not a Rockies record). That's 8 pitches an inning!

SpringStein
07-25-2007, 07:02 PM
Aaron Cook threw a nine-inning complete game with just 74 pitches (74 PITCHES!) against the Padres today.

That's seriously got to be a Coor's Field record (if not a Rockies record). That's 8 pitches an inning!

But did they win? ;)

I know they did - 2 out of three. Now they can't do worse than split the 4 game series with the Dodgers. This is a big week for the Rocks.

SpringStein
07-25-2007, 07:22 PM
Aaron Cook threw a nine-inning complete game with just 74 pitches (74 PITCHES!) against the Padres today.

That's seriously got to be a Coor's Field record (if not a Rockies record). That's 8 pitches an inning!


From the DPO:

He needed just 74 pitches to get the job done. It was the fewest pitches ever by a Rockies pitcher in a nine-inning game. The previous low was a 91-pitch game by Josh Fogg was June 30, 2006 at Seattle.

OrangeShadow
07-25-2007, 07:44 PM
cant wait to watch the sox game tonight, another good pitching matchup with beckett vs carmona.

interesting tid bit is the pitching coach for the sox who really turned beckett around was the same guy who worked in cleveland last year and turned carmona around.

elsid13
07-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Another great pitching duel in the BoSox/Indians game. Beckett needs some support boys.

TheChamp24
07-25-2007, 10:34 PM
Wow, way to go Rockies. A game above .500, hopefully they stay at or above .500. I'm hoping for like an 84 or so win season. Next year, add some help, and i can't wait.

24champ
07-25-2007, 11:37 PM
Hey Red Sox fans, it's been reported in the Globe that your scouts are looking at some of the Dodgers triple A prosepects, such as Andy LaRoche. I'm not really sure who the Red Sox are looking to part with...

Dodgers lose again, 2-1. Hopefully we sweep the rockettes. :)

MechanicalBull
07-25-2007, 11:53 PM
Question for you Sox fans since it seems like we have a bunch here. Who is your rookie of the year? Both are doing great, but I'd favor Okajima a little bit just because the guy is pretty much unhittable and once you get passed the 7th inning with a lead its over with him and Papelbon.

Daisuke Matsuzaka:12-7, 3.79 era, 136K
Hideki Okajima: 0.91 era, 0.83 whip

Paladin
07-26-2007, 02:20 AM
Hopefully we sweep the rockettes. :)

Win a game or two, possibly. Sweep? Not gonna happen bubba.

24champ
07-26-2007, 03:26 AM
Win a game or two, possibly. Sweep? Not gonna happen bubba.


Poor Poor Rockettes.;D

elsid13
07-26-2007, 06:56 AM
Question for you Sox fans since it seems like we have a bunch here. Who is your rookie of the year? Both are doing great, but I'd favor Okajima a little bit just because the guy is pretty much unhittable and once you get passed the 7th inning with a lead its over with him and Papelbon.

Daisuke Matsuzaka:12-7, 3.79 era, 136K
Hideki Okajima: 0.91 era, 0.83 whip

Between those two it Okie. He has been money in his appearence. Dice-K could have a couple more wins if the offense had produced. I would also make the arguement for Dustin Pedrioa

ohiobronco2
07-26-2007, 08:18 AM
Wow, way to go Rockies. A game above .500, hopefully they stay at or above .500. I'm hoping for like an 84 or so win season. Next year, add some help, and i can't wait.

Is it me, or is the NL West the most exisiting division in baseball right now. 4 teams are above .500 and within 5 games of being the division leader. I hope the rockies can continue to play well and atleast make the postseason.

Crowpointer
07-26-2007, 10:17 AM
I would also make the arguement for Dustin Pedrioa

A friend in the office who has a kid in a suburban Boston little league says the kids in that age group LOOOOOOOVE Pedroia just like my kid does. Good article today from todays Herald. .Pedroia’s attitude lifts spirits in clubhouse
By Rob Bradford
Thursday, July 26, 2007 - Updated: 07:59 AM EST

CLEVELAND - The answers are all the kind of politically correct verbiage expected of a major league rookie. It’s all of the genuine “for the love of the game” type of stuff that serves as the root to all baseball stories.

But then ask Dustin Pedroia [stats] about a recent ping-pong game against Mike Lowell [stats], and the filter is shut off.

“I was mad,” said Pedroia of his four-game loss to his teammate in the Jacobs Field visitors clubhouse. “I was kicking his butt earlier and then he had to go get a massage. Stuff is going to change.”

And there you have the man they call “Petey.”

It is why a 5-foot-8 rookie second baseman who often swings like he’s in a long-drive contest can do what he has been doing. Entering last night, Pedroia was hitting .321 while swinging and missing at just 52 of the 568 pitches he has offered at this season.

Pedroia won’t tell you he can’t be stopped - just the opposite - but that’s what he’s thinking, and rightfully so.

“He’s unique,” manager Terry Francona said prior to last night’s 1-0 loss to the Cleveland Indians. “He’s won over the veterans, you can tell. He makes some comments I just can’t wait for because their hilarious.”

The legend of Pedroia has built slowly in the Red Sox [team stats] clubhouse, thanks in part to the 23-year-old’s relative newness to the world of the major leagues. But now, flush with the confidence of the entire clubhouse, the real Petey has taken full effect.

The latest example of Pedroia’s will to win was on display last night in the sixth inning at Jacobs Field when 6-foot-4 Cleveland starter Fausto Carmona unleashed a face-high fastball that buzzed the Sox’ No. 2 hitter. Pedroia immediately yelled out at the mound, ultimately having to relent to the urgings of home plate umpire Ed Rapuano. The fire had been lit two innings earlier when Carmona hit Pedroia with a pitch.

A 31-game stint with the big league club last season served as a weak litmus test.

Even though the fiery competitor in Pedroia had been put on display as early as his freshman year at Woodland (Calif.) High School - “Just some yelling matches, technicals and stuff,” he recalled - the image had yet to grab a strong foothold with the Sox.

The minute Pedroia walked into the Red Sox dugout after hitting a home run and exclaimed, “Coming in at 96 (mph), going out at 196!” an entire team was put on notice.

The real Petey was here to stay.

“When I got here I wasn’t being myself and it just took time to get to know my teammates and let my personality come out,” Pedroia said. “Once I started playing better and guys started talking to me more, my personality came out.”

The Red Sox are happy it did.

“It’s not only how he’s survived but how he’s thrived,” Francona said. “I’m sure he’s been told his whole life that he can’t do it, so that’s what he uses. I told him the other day, ‘You know Petey, when I get bored this winter I’m going to call you up and bring you to my house for a week just for entertainment. Then when you go over the edge I’m going to get a mouse trap and (stop you).’

“That’s the kind of stuff he takes all the time. But the guys like him and he brings that energy that is good with a veteran team.”

OrangeShadow
07-26-2007, 02:58 PM
I just picked up a pedroia t-shirt at a sports store in the mall up here. :)

and id pick okie for ROY hes been virtually unhittable even when teams have seen him a second or third time.

Crowpointer
07-26-2007, 07:08 PM
Hey Red Sox fans, it's been reported in the Globe that your scouts are looking at some of the Dodgers triple A prosepects, such as Andy LaRoche. I'm not really sure who the Red Sox are looking to part with...

:)
If if it was up to me Wily Mo Pena

24champ
07-27-2007, 01:17 AM
If if it was up to me Wily Mo Pena

If it were up to me I would give the Red Sox a bag of baseballs for Willy Mo Pena and possibly throw in a Dodger Dog if Theo is hungry, our outfield is too crowded at the moment. If you have a relief pitcher that is expendable then thats who we are probably looking at.

24champ
07-27-2007, 01:20 AM
ORENO CHINKO SWE, Corolado Lockies-u!!



http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/07/08/qFFIMJ2z.jpg

DomCasual
07-27-2007, 03:54 AM
ORENO CHINKO SWE, Corolado Lockies-u!!



http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/07/08/qFFIMJ2z.jpg

Don't get too excited, you little bastard. We NEVER beat Penny, period. I hated tonight's matchup, and it still could have easily been won in the 7th, 8th, and 9th. I like the matchups for the next tree nights. I see a split as the worst case scenario; but I think the Rockies winning the next three is doable.

24champ
07-27-2007, 04:47 AM
Don't get too excited, you little bastard. We NEVER beat Penny, period. I hated tonight's matchup, and it still could have easily been won in the 7th, 8th, and 9th. I like the matchups for the next tree nights. I see a split as the worst case scenario; but I think the Rockies winning the next three is doable.

The Rockies (51-51) have dropped 18 of their last 24 games against the Dodgers (57-46), and eight of 10 against them in Denver. Los Angeles has taken four of the six meetings this season, including two of the last three at Coors.

:wave:

Crowpointer
07-27-2007, 07:52 AM
If it were up to me I would give the Red Sox a bag of baseballs for Willy Mo Pena and possibly throw in a Dodger Dog if Theo is hungry, our outfield is too crowded at the moment. If you have a relief pitcher that is expendable then thats who we are probably looking at.

you gotta believe that Theo is working the phone lines as we speak after Wily Mo's best game for the Sox. (never to be duplicated) . Couldn't have come at a better time to trade him.

OrangeShadow
07-27-2007, 07:55 AM
dont scoff there 24, pena played pretty well last night :)

Drek
07-27-2007, 10:15 AM
Hey Red Sox fans, it's been reported in the Globe that your scouts are looking at some of the Dodgers triple A prosepects, such as Andy LaRoche. I'm not really sure who the Red Sox are looking to part with...

Dodgers lose again, 2-1. Hopefully we sweep the rockettes. :)

Most of that talk I've heard centers around the Sox making a move for Teixeira, then flipping Lowell and a bullpen arm to L.A. to get LaRoche.

Barring that the Dodgers would need to take a deal that I consider below LaRoche's value, like Hansen (who has looked positively electric lately in Pawtucket) and another fringe piece. Some have actually said Wily Mo Pena, with the move freeing up another OF guy to be flipped for the 3B help desired.

Another good story on Pedroia that most people don't know, when he was in college at ASU he actually gave up his scholarship so that the team could bring in another pitcher because he wanted to win the collegiate WS so bad. He's a great player to watch and he would get my nod for AL Rookie of the Year at this point. I know Okajima and Matsuzaka both qualify (I think Matsuzaka will win it) but Pedroia is a true rookie who as tore the league apart after his april scuffles.

24champ
07-27-2007, 06:31 PM
you gotta believe that Theo is working the phone lines as we speak after Wily Mo's best game for the Sox. (never to be duplicated) . Couldn't have come at a better time to trade him.

Trade his ass to the D-backs, they are on fire and need to slow down.;D


dont scoff there 24, pena played pretty well last night


I laughed when I saw the highlights of the Red Sox on Sportscenter last night...figures he has a good game when there are talks between the Bosox and LA. I really doubt Ned Coletti wants him, our outfield is too crowded right now.




Most of that talk I've heard centers around the Sox making a move for Teixeira, then flipping Lowell and a bullpen arm to L.A. to get LaRoche.

Barring that the Dodgers would need to take a deal that I consider below LaRoche's value, like Hansen (who has looked positively electric lately in Pawtucket) and another fringe piece. Some have actually said Wily Mo Pena, with the move freeing up another OF guy to be flipped for the 3B help desired.

Sounds pretty feasible, I'm not high on Lowell's contract but if there is a dependable arm included in this deal then it sounds pretty good, but then again it sounds like a three team trade and we might be getting a pitcher from Texas as well because the Dodgers have been in talks with Texas, assume its Gagne they are after. That would be awkward since Saito is the man for LA.

Paladin
07-27-2007, 06:49 PM
I thought Brad Penny looked SOOOOO cute the way he flicked his little locks and sort of danced and swung his dancy hips on the mound. The way he looked far off as he constantly adjusted his little cap, and run his finger through his hair above the ears....

Now maybe he will go back to Californicatia and get lost on Hollywood and Vine....

I think that the Dudgers need to be a bit concerned: I don't think the Rockies are just gonna lay down for them. Rockies taking the series is doable.....

WABronco
07-27-2007, 07:05 PM
Nice move by the Phils to get Tad Iguchi...

Drek
07-27-2007, 07:28 PM
Sounds pretty feasible, I'm not high on Lowell's contract but if there is a dependable arm included in this deal then it sounds pretty good, but then again it sounds like a three team trade and we might be getting a pitcher from Texas as well because the Dodgers have been in talks with Texas, assume its Gagne they are after. That would be awkward since Saito is the man for LA.

Lowell's "contract" would be the biggest non-issue in this trade scenario. He's on the last year of his deal and earns $9M this season but the Sox have already paid over half that. I doubt the Dodgers would complain about paying the remaining ~$4M to add a gold glove 3B with an .868 OPS (.885 so far in July for those reminded of his late season swoons) and the ability to offer arb and recoup a couple high picks in next year's draft if he doesn't resign for more reasonable money.

I've heard some talk now that LaRoche probably wouldn't be involved in such a deal, and that instead LAD would send young pitching to Texas along with young pitchers from the Red Sox for Boston to get Teix. In return LAD would get Lowell and bullpen help (I'd guess Tavarez, he can start or take any bullpen role short of setup and closer, with Lowe recently having an MRI flexible pitching might become the real priority need of the Dodgers).

What I'm really hoping for though is that an ATL/TEX deal gets done that sends Salty to Texas, who then flips him to Boston for pitching prospects (Lester+). Then the Sox get a deal done with Pittsburgh that sends Wily Mo and a prospect or two for Damaso Marte. Claim Keilty off DFA and they're looking pretty set for the playoff run. Salty would be able to back up at 1B, 3B (by Youks moving over) and let us avoid too many more wasted at bats given to Mirabelli. In '08 he starts at 1B with Youks at 3B and backs up C, and in '09 he moves back behind the plate with fresh knees to be our starting C for the foreseeable future.

24champ
07-27-2007, 08:36 PM
Lowell's "contract" would be the biggest non-issue in this trade scenario. He's on the last year of his deal and earns $9M this season but the Sox have already paid over half that. I doubt the Dodgers would complain about paying the remaining ~$4M to add a gold glove 3B with an .868 OPS (.885 so far in July for those reminded of his late season swoons) and the ability to offer arb and recoup a couple high picks in next year's draft if he doesn't resign for more reasonable money.

I've heard some talk now that LaRoche probably wouldn't be involved in such a deal, and that instead LAD would send young pitching to Texas along with young pitchers from the Red Sox for Boston to get Teix. In return LAD would get Lowell and bullpen help (I'd guess Tavarez, he can start or take any bullpen role short of setup and closer, with Lowe recently having an MRI flexible pitching might become the real priority need of the Dodgers).


I certainly think the Dodgers would say no to a Lowell/Tavarez for LaRoche trade. I don't think the Dodgers would give up a top prospect for two aging vets, for one the Dodgers have Nomar playing third base and also have Betemit to play in that role if need be. Like I said before it would have to depend on getting a decent bullpen/starter pitcher and that doesn't describe Tavarez. Doesn't make sense to trade a good young prospect for two aging players that are way past their prime. With that said, I don't think we are getting bullpen help from you guys but rather Texas would send Gagne or some other reliever in this three team trade. I could be wrong, but sounds like you have reliable info Drek.

elsid13
07-27-2007, 08:42 PM
Lowell isn't passed his prime, he's 33. I not expecting any big deals with the Sox this year

Drek
07-28-2007, 12:57 AM
I certainly think the Dodgers would say no to a Lowell/Tavarez for LaRoche trade. I don't think the Dodgers would give up a top prospect for two aging vets, for one the Dodgers have Nomar playing third base and also have Betemit to play in that role if need be. Like I said before it would have to depend on getting a decent bullpen/starter pitcher and that doesn't describe Tavarez. Doesn't make sense to trade a good young prospect for two aging players that are way past their prime. With that said, I don't think we are getting bullpen help from you guys but rather Texas would send Gagne or some other reliever in this three team trade. I could be wrong, but sounds like you have reliable info Drek.
In the three way deal it wouldn't be LaRoche, it'd be pitching prospects because thats what Texas is all about. Clearly Boston wouldn't want to give up two of Bucholz/Lester/Bowden, and I'm sure LA isn't looking to give up the kind of prospects it'd take to pry Rolen away form STL. The perfect compromise? Lester/Bowden is the cornerstone of a Teixeira deal, Lowell plus pitching help gets LA to fill in the gaps, everyone walks away happy.

Also, I'd say Lowell and Tavarez is exactly what LAD needs this year. Lowell has bounced back amazingly well since his one really down year in Florida and there's no long term commitment there, just adding a workhorse 3B who has a good all around offensive game and is a stabilizing defender. Nomar playing 3B shouldn't be a long term solution (especially with how he's hitting right now) his arm is too erratic, and I don't know who's dog Betemit kicked but he's pretty clearly in Grady's dog house (along with LaRoche, who should be playing 3B as we speak, eliminating that need). Tavarez wouldn't be a singular bullpen answer, but he's damn good grease for squeaky wheels. He's posted solid numbers against excellent offensive teams in the AL East, the NL West with Chavez Ravine instead of Fenway has his home park would only make that better. He's an innings eater who can either take the lumps in a blowout for everyone else, spot start if a guy has a nagging injury, or be a good multiple inning guy to bridge the gap from starter to late inning staff. The Dodgers would still want a single inning ace type, but thats a whole different price bracket that'd probably cost at least LaRoche or Kemp.

Don't think it'll happen though, ATL is supposed to have a big offer on the table including Salty and Harrison, their best up and coming pitcher who's in AA, and a shortstop prospect. Doesn't give Texas the pitching they'd probably want but its a simple two team trade that gives them great value in terms of young talent.

I still think that whoever pries Damaso Marte away from the Pirates will feel pretty damn good about themselves come October though, I'm just praying its the Sox.

Oh, and Red Sox were supposedly real close to a three way deal that involved Wily Mo Pena and Jermaine Dye (coming to Boston). The third team's player in some way botched it, so it seems like the price evaluation is pretty close between BOS and CHW. Might happen fairly soon, if so Dye will obviously start taking the LHP starts in RF from Drew, but he'd probably also spell Manny and 'Tiz in LF and DH and Drew in CF, Dye in RF will probably be the alignment when Crisp needs time off.

Hogan11
07-28-2007, 01:53 AM
I still think that whoever pries Damaso Marte away from the Pirates will feel pretty damn good about themselves come October though, I'm just praying its the Sox.

The Bucs have been asking for the ridiculous since the bottom fell out after the AS break. When it comes to the Dodgers..they want LaRoche. They've been travelling in fantasyland pretty much, asking such things as T. Glaus for freaking Jack Wilson and other such insanities.

It'll be interesting to see what the Pirates do with these deals...word is Marte, Chacon, Wilson, Snell & Torres are all on the block, but they want bats...proven ones at that, so we'll see if anyone is that desperate for pitching or not.

They're also desperate to land Saltalmanica (SIC) from the Braves......

24champ
07-28-2007, 03:28 AM
In the three way deal it wouldn't be LaRoche, it'd be pitching prospects because thats what Texas is all about. Clearly Boston wouldn't want to give up two of Bucholz/Lester/Bowden, and I'm sure LA isn't looking to give up the kind of prospects it'd take to pry Rolen away form STL. The perfect compromise? Lester/Bowden is the cornerstone of a Teixeira deal, Lowell plus pitching help gets LA to fill in the gaps, everyone walks away happy.

Also, I'd say Lowell and Tavarez is exactly what LAD needs this year. Lowell has bounced back amazingly well since his one really down year in Florida and there's no long term commitment there, just adding a workhorse 3B who has a good all around offensive game and is a stabilizing defender. Nomar playing 3B shouldn't be a long term solution (especially with how he's hitting right now) his arm is too erratic, and I don't know who's dog Betemit kicked but he's pretty clearly in Grady's dog house (along with LaRoche, who should be playing 3B as we speak, eliminating that need). Tavarez wouldn't be a singular bullpen answer, but he's damn good grease for squeaky wheels. He's posted solid numbers against excellent offensive teams in the AL East, the NL West with Chavez Ravine instead of Fenway has his home park would only make that better. He's an innings eater who can either take the lumps in a blowout for everyone else, spot start if a guy has a nagging injury, or be a good multiple inning guy to bridge the gap from starter to late inning staff.

But still the Dodgers still need to do something with Nomar and Betemit, assuming we get Lowell. Yeah, Nomar was off to a slow start this season but he is coming around now jacking 2 Home runs and 7 RBIs the last ten games. You should know as a red sox fan that Nomar can get streaky and is clutch. Betemit is pretty valuable to the Dodgers because he can hit the ball when pinch hitting. As far as Tavarez goes, Dodgers don't have any need for him. He has a 5.15 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP, I'd say you guys would have a hard time unloading him. We already have guys like THAT on our staff with Bombko and Hendrickson.

The Dodgers would still want a single inning ace type, but thats a whole different price bracket that'd probably cost at least LaRoche or Kemp.

We need a seventh inning guy, Broxton can handle being the setup man and Saito is our closer. I'm thinking we could get Dotel or Marte for Betemit, but the value of our prospects are higher than the players available out there. As far as Kemp goes, he is pretty much untouchable, everyone has been asking for him and Ned says NO.

OrangeShadow
07-28-2007, 08:07 AM
sox dont have to make a huge move. This team is good enough to win it all the way they are. They just need to solidify the bench

Hogan11
07-28-2007, 10:40 AM
The Bucs are after Kemp as well. Having Cesar Izturis show up on the team is a pretty good indication that Tracy is lobbying to go after old Dodgers and prospects in that organization. Pitching is a dime a dozen in the Burgh...we'll see if any of it translates into young bats.

Drek
07-28-2007, 11:45 AM
But still the Dodgers still need to do something with Nomar and Betemit, assuming we get Lowell. Yeah, Nomar was off to a slow start this season but he is coming around now jacking 2 Home runs and 7 RBIs the last ten games. You should know as a red sox fan that Nomar can get streaky and is clutch. Betemit is pretty valuable to the Dodgers because he can hit the ball when pinch hitting. As far as Tavarez goes, Dodgers don't have any need for him. He has a 5.15 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP, I'd say you guys would have a hard time unloading him. We already have guys like THAT on our staff with Bombko and Hendrickson.
You have to consider that Tavarez is pitching night in and night out to offensive juggernauts. Even Tampa Bay, a scrub team by AL East standards, has an offense that can hang a crooked number in a single inning on anyone in the bigs. He also had a stretch of being damn near dominant in June. A lot of people underrate him, but he's got real value to any club and he's cheap this year with a cheap option for '08. He isn't a center piece, but he's the type of guy any team should be more than willing to add.


We need a seventh inning guy, Broxton can handle being the setup man and Saito is our closer. I'm thinking we could get Dotel or Marte for Betemit, but the value of our prospects are higher than the players available out there. As far as Kemp goes, he is pretty much untouchable, everyone has been asking for him and Ned says NO.
Right, a seventh inning guy who can be about a 3.00 ERA and not blow many (if any) holds. Dotel or Marte would be a perfect fit, especially Marte as he'd give a much better late inning lefty option than Beimel (not saying Beimel is bad, but Marte just owns lefties and can bridge a L-R-L gap). Betemit won't get one of them though. As Hogan said, Marte is getting a pretty stupid asking price and Dotel's is currently in the same range. It doesn't help that Gump has significantly damaged Betemit's value. Moving Nomar over to 3B, when everyone knows he has an erratic arm and so isn't the best fielding option there, is a pretty damning statement regarding Betemit. I personally think he's a good talent, but Grady isn't giving him a chance to prove it. I compare it to the Red Sox situation with Wily Mo who has lost OF time to Eric Hinske of all people lately. Wily Mo at this point is only redeemed by his excellent 2006 performance despite injury.

As I said before, I don't know why the Dodgers are so eager to get a veteran 3B. They should just bring LaRoche up and watch him, Loney, and Kemp carry them the next 5 years. See if they can flip Betemit in a package for bullpen help, and roll on. But they have Gump managing the team and if he struggle at all as a young guy he wants to you back down to the minors.

Paladin
07-28-2007, 11:42 PM
ROCKIES - 6

Dudgers - 2



Guess there won't be a sweep now, huh?

Rockies could win the series.......

24champ
07-29-2007, 03:19 AM
ROCKIES - 6

Dudgers - 2



Guess there won't be a sweep now, huh?

Rockies could win the series.......

Congrats, you beat Bombko, Olmedo, and Lieberthal in the starting lineup. We got bigger problems to deal with than the Rockettes, like our pitchers dropping like white rice at the end of a wedding (Vin Scully's words). Latest on Lowe doesn't look promising and he might have to get surgery on his hip....

Lowe does not have a strained groin, but, according to a club official, he has "irritation in the left hip," and that's never good for a pitcher. In fact, that was the original diagnosis for pitchers Jason Isringhausen of the Cardinals last year and Justin Duchscherer of the Oakland A's this year, and both ultimately required arthroscopic hip surgery.

We're ****ed.:thumbsdow


As far Kemp being shipped out, it's not happening. There have been multiple offers for Kemp and Ned has said no to them all. Thankfully.:approve:

Paladin
07-29-2007, 11:33 AM
but, but, but you said the Dudgers were invincible!!!

They was the real cat's meow! They was the real champs of the whole freaking world!!!

Big market teams and their fans are always carrying on as if "their" teams were the only teams to have ever played "real baseball", and that all other teams are nobodies. It is that egotism and arrogance that makes it difficult for me to have any empathy for the "problems" of the big market teams. I don't give a rats behind about the Dudgers. You were the first to call for a sweep over the "rockettes". Hah!

What, you are denigrating a Dudger player or two? :spit:

DomCasual
07-29-2007, 06:46 PM
Why in the heck is Latroy Hawkins still getting the ball? It's like they slapped a new number on Jose Mesa.

SpringStein
07-29-2007, 07:45 PM
Rocks hang in to move within 3 1/2.

DomCasual
07-29-2007, 07:53 PM
Rocks hang in to move within 3 1/2.

Well, it's 3 1/2 if Atlanta can hang on in a squeaker against Arizona (Braves currently up by two touchdowns).

WOOHOO! Rockies 3 1/2 out at the end of July!

SpringStein
07-29-2007, 08:00 PM
Well, it's 3 1/2 if Atlanta can hang on in a squeaker against Arizona (Braves currently up by two touchdowns).

WOOHOO! Rockies 3 1/2 out at the end of July!


Unfortunately, they're still in 4th place. ;)

ohiobronco2
07-29-2007, 08:03 PM
Unfortunately, they're still in 4th place. ;)

I'm just happy the Rockies are playing meaningful baseball this late in the season. The NL West is the most enjoyable division to watch in baseball right now.

Disco Man
07-29-2007, 08:05 PM
Look for the Cubs to make some noise in the playoffs, they are 1/2 game out in the Central and winning all the games they should. No doubt the NL Central is a weak division, they might not win it all this year but they will be in the post season. For Cub fans like myself winning the division is a BIG deal.

ohiobronco2
07-29-2007, 08:10 PM
Look for the Cubs to make some noise in the playoffs, they are 1/2 game out in the Central and winning all the games they should. No doubt the NL Central is a weak division, they might not win it all this year but they will be in the post season. For Cub fans like myself winning the division is a BIG deal.

I live in Ohio and am therefor forced to continually cheer for the Reds and Indians. However, I am a big fan of Lou Pinella and if the Cubs were able to make it to the World Series, I'd definitely support them. I'm still mad about the Yankees and Marlins W.S. that year. Should have been Cubs vs Red Sox, imagine the ratings that would have brought in.

24champ
07-30-2007, 05:49 AM
but, but, but you said the Dudgers were invincible!!!

They was the real cat's meow! They was the real champs of the whole freaking world!!!


Dodgers recently before this series have done very well at Coors and that was the basis of my prediction of a sweep.

As posted before-

The Rockies (51-51) have dropped 18 of their last 24 games against the Dodgers (57-46), and eight of 10 against them in Denver. Los Angeles has taken four of the six meetings this season, including two of the last three at Coors.

Big market teams and their fans are always carrying on as if "their" teams were the only teams to have ever played "real baseball", and that all other teams are nobodies. It is that egotism and arrogance that makes it difficult for me to have any empathy for the "problems" of the big market teams. I don't give a rats behind about the Dudgers.

I think you are just pissed off because some owners actually spend money in their payroll, IE Boston, NY, LA etc. Rockettes owners are treating their team like a small market team when Denver isn't a small market area, not my problem. As for me, I was born in the LA area and Dodger games were ALWAYS on in my house forever as most fans that grew up watching their team. I am used to talking smack with rival Madre fans, Gay Bay Midget Fans, Dbag fans etc. in the middle of the season but I can understand if a certain Rockette fan isn't used to this stuff at this point of the season...





Anyway, next up for the Dodgers the Gay Bay Midgets. Bean B*nds!

http://www.dodgerdugout.com/bonds_taunted.jpg
http://www.dodgerdugout.com/barry_sucks.jpg
http://www.dodgerdugout.com/Barrysyringe.jpg



Per Gammons on ESPN.COM

• No, the Dodgers will not entertain trading James Loney, Matt Kemp, (obviously) Russell Martin, Chad Billingsley or Jonathan Broxton. Ned Colletti is looking for a starter or reliever, expecting Randy Wolf back around the deadline. A numer of teams, including Boston, have been trying to get in on Andy LaRoche.

DomCasual
07-30-2007, 02:38 PM
I think you are just pissed off because some owners actually spend money in their payroll, IE Boston, NY, LA etc. Rockettes owners are treating their team like a small market team when Denver isn't a small market area, not my problem. As for me, I was born in the LA area and Dodger games were ALWAYS on in my house forever as most fans that grew up watching their team. I am used to talking smack with rival Madre fans, Gay Bay Midget Fans, Dbag fans etc. in the middle of the season but I can understand if a certain Rockette fan isn't used to this stuff at this point of the season...

Can't argue there.

SpringStein
07-30-2007, 07:07 PM
Rockies start a 6 game road swing at Fla and Atlanta - places that historically haven't been too kind to them. If they want to retain their momentum, they need to come out of the series with at least 3 wins. 2-4 or worse won't cut it.

Taco John
07-30-2007, 08:46 PM
This thread is ok in the main forum... We will have a couple of "General Threads" floating around, including an NCAA Football thread.

elsid13
07-30-2007, 08:52 PM
This thread is ok in the main forum... We will have a couple of "General Threads" floating around, including an NCAA Football thread.

thanks since there are a couple of us who really are into it.

OrangeShadow
07-30-2007, 09:23 PM
thanks since there are a couple of us who really are into it.

yeah baseball is keeping me entertained until football season quite nicely :thumbsup:

Spider
07-30-2007, 09:36 PM
Baseball ...during on season mode ....... you bastards

Hogan11
07-30-2007, 09:44 PM
This thread is ok in the main forum... We will have a couple of "General Threads" floating around, including an NCAA Football thread.

Uh huh...not very surprising since Seattle is still in the hunt and all ;)

OrangeShadow
07-30-2007, 09:54 PM
well im heading to the sox game tomorrow night, third time i get to see beckett pitch

elsid13
07-30-2007, 09:57 PM
Hopefully the bats are working tomorrow, because Beckett should have two more wins if the freaking line-up could hit.

Paladin
07-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Go Rockies!!!!!



Go Giants!!!!!

24champ
07-31-2007, 02:13 AM
I told my buddy that is going to the games against the gay bay midgets in LA that were he to catch the record breaking ball (god forbid) he should pull out a Sharpie, write BONDS SUX!! and CHEATER on it and throw it back on the field. Let the Hall of Fame display that ****! ROFL!

Crowpointer
07-31-2007, 07:51 AM
well im heading to the sox game tomorrow night, third time i get to see beckett pitch

Have a good time. I'm taking my family camping that day....................................FOOTBALL CAMPING !!

PatsWin2002
07-31-2007, 04:07 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width=560 bgColor=#1d2f68 border=0><TBODY><TR class=small bgColor=#efefef><TD align=middle width=150>http://cache.boston.com/images/sports/redsox/2007/buzz_gagne_eric.jpg
Eric Gagne
Relief Pitcher <TD vAlign=top width=410>Last updated: 2:36 p.m.
Sox have Gagne deal, but hurdles remain
Confirming reports on Foxsports.com and SI.com, a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations told the Globe's Gordon Edes that a trade between the Red Sox and Rangers for reliever Eric Gagne is moving forward.. However, the source said, there are still issues to be overcome, including the fact that Gagne must waive his no-trade clause for the deal to go through. One potential stumbling block there is that Gagne wants to be a closer. That job is obviously taken by Jonathan Papelbon. Another hurdle is how to handle Gagne's incentive clauses. According to Foxsports.com, Gagne has $3.65 million in potential bonuses for games finished remaining on this deal. It's possible that he wants those bonuses guaranteed before he approves the deal. According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, the Sox would send outfield prospect David Murphy and pitcher Kason Gabbard to Texas. A source with direct knowledge of the talks only confirmed that Gabbard has been part of the discussion. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

OBF1
07-31-2007, 09:24 PM
I told my buddy that is going to the games against the gay bay midgets in LA that were he to catch the record breaking ball (god forbid) he should pull out a Sharpie, write BONDS SUX!! and CHEATER on it and throw it back on the field. Let the Hall of Fame display that ****! ROFL!

Your buddy must have a ton of cash if he follows your advice. I am heading to the game in just a little while.... would like to see history being made, but there is no way the dodgers pitch to Barry this series :wave:

DomCasual
07-31-2007, 10:49 PM
WOOHOO!

Manny Corpas. 12 pitches. 1 Save. He's come up huge! I just wish we didn't have to go through four blown saves in a week to find out.

They're going to gain a game on two teams tonight, one way or another. Go Giants!

ohiobronco2
07-31-2007, 10:54 PM
WOOHOO!

Manny Corpas. 12 pitches. 1 Save. He's come up huge! I just wish we didn't have to go through four blown saves in a week to find out.

They're going to gain a game on two teams tonight, one way or another. Go Giants!

Rockies are playing excellent ball right now. Let's hope for a Giants sweep and for San Diego to win the series against Arizona 2-1.

MechanicalBull
08-01-2007, 07:55 AM
Hogan maybe you can answer this question. Why in the world would Pitt trade for Matt Morris? Plus I think they are inheriting his entire contract, but I might be wrong about that.

OrangeShadow
08-01-2007, 08:00 AM
well sox didnt win but i had a blast. this is the first time they've lost when ive gone in a while

ill upload pics when i get home from work

Hogan11
08-01-2007, 11:13 AM
Hogan maybe you can answer this question. Why in the world would Pitt trade for Matt Morris? Plus I think they are inheriting his entire contract, but I might be wrong about that.

You are correct about the contract and to be honest, I really have no clue whatsoever why they chose to do this......maybe because Littlefield is done after the season and there still was something left of the organization to burn down before he leaves.

It's probably a ploy to be honest...one of those "hey, we're trying to win, we traded for_____" things to avoid the "cheap" label.....too bad it won't work.

One thing about this though, while I'm sorry Wilson is sticking around, I can honestly say I'm glad they didn't deal Marte, Chacon, Torres or Snell as they were rumored to. They get a baseball guy in @ GM and there's some faint hope of avoiding another losing season in 2008.

24champ
08-01-2007, 04:26 PM
Trade winners and Losers by Ken Rosenthal.

Winners

1. Braves

Wow.

They couldn't address their need for a No. 3 starter after the White Sox balked at shortstop Edgar Renteria and Class AA lefty Matt Harrison for right-hander Jon Garland. So, GM John Schuerholz did the next-best thing, upgrading other parts of his club.

The Braves fortified their bullpen by adding Octavio Dotel. (Lisa Blumenfeld / Getty Images)

Not only did Schuerholz acquire Teixeira, who was by far the best hitter on the market, but he also supplemented his bullpen by adding left-hander Ron Mahay in the Teixeria blockbuster and righty Octavio Dotel in a separate trade.

The Braves entered Tuesday's play with the eighth-best record in the National League. No longer are they the eighth-best team. Schuerholz probably will be retired by the time some of the prospects he dealt reach the majors, but so what? He usually trades the right guys.

2. Red Sox

GM Theo Epstein is always relentless, always creative. His acquisition of Gagne — and adept navigation through Gagne's no-trade clause to Boston — could make the Red Sox a World Series favorite. After losing Bobby Abreu to the Yankees last season, the Sox again operated more like — ahem — an uber-team.

Gagne will get the save opportunities that Jonathan Papelbon doesn't and maybe a few more, helping Papelbon stay fresh for the post-season. Epstein failed to find a better right-handed hitting outfielder than outfielder Wily Mo Pena, but that's nitpicking. His proposed acquisition of White Sox right fielder Jermaine Dye seemed excessive from the start.

3. Rangers

First off, owner Tom Hicks needs to shut up.

Hicks can spout off about offering Teixeira about $140 million for eight years, but it was an offer Teixeira was certain to refuse. Everyone in baseball knows that Teixeira's agent, Scott Boras, prefers his clients to determine their values on the open market. Heck, Hicks should know it better than anyone, having signed many a Boras client, including a certain $252-million bauble way back when.

As for the Rangers, their exact plan is unclear, but that's how it always looks when a team begins to reconstruct. GM Jon Daniels collected nine young players for Teixeira, Mahay, Gagne and Lofton. Some are so young, Daniels, 29, might be in his mid-30s by the time they reach the majors.

Stilll, if three or four of the prospects prove to be keepers — and Jarrod Saltalamacchia is pretty close to a sure thing — the trades will be considered a success.

4. Yankees

Yes, the Yankees. If you're going to rip them when they act like rich bullies, then at least give them credit when they show restraint. GM Brian Cashman is wisely hoarding his young pitching, and rookie right-handers Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain could be the Yankees' biggest second-half additions.

What's next?
If a player is claimed on waivers after July 31, he can be traded only to the claiming team.

If he clears waivers — as most high-priced veterans normally do — he can be dealt to any club.

A partial list of players who could get moved:

Armando Benitez, RHP, Marlins
Ben Broussard, 1B, Mariners
Shawn Chacon, RHP, Pirates
Jeff Conine, 1B, Reds
Adam Dunn, LF, Reds
Kyle Farnsworth, RHP, Yankees
Livan Hernandez, RHP, Diamondbacks
Troy Glaus, 3B, Blue Jays
Mark Grudzielanek, 2B, Royals
Jason Jennings, RHP, Astros
Byung-Hyun Kim, RHP, Marlins
Ryan Klesko, 1B, Giants
Mike Lamb, IF, Astros
Mark Loretta, IF, Astros
Kevin Millar, 1B, Orioles
Mike Piazza, DH, A's
Reggie Sanders, OF, Royals
Sammy Sosa, OF, Rangers
Steve Trachsel, RHP, Orioles
Omar Vizquel, SS, Giants

Chamberlain, who was drafted only a year ago, is desperately needed to fill a setup role, but the task might not be as daunting as it sounds. The Angels' Francisco Rodriguez, White Sox's Bobby Jenks and Cardinals' Adam Wainwright are recent examples of young relievers who thrived for World Series champions.

5. Dodgers

Like the Yankees, they get points for not doing anything stupid. They made a bold push for A's right-hander Joe Blanton, offering three highly regarded prospects, but in the end settled for right-handed reliever Scott Proctor from the Yankees.

It's difficult to embrace that move after Proctor was Torre-ized (i.e., worn down by excessive use), but it's not as if any of the other NL West contenders made significant improvements.

6. Devil Rays

At least they're trying. GM Andrew Friedman envisions the team fielding a potentially strong rotation next season, so he's hellbent on fortifying his cover-your-eyes bullpen.

Friedman made three trades for relievers, stunning the industry by landing Astros right-hander Dan Wheeler, who was coveted by several contenders.

Maybe none of his deals will work out — relievers are notoriously untrustworthy — but Friedman is just getting started on his bullpen overhaul.

Losers.

Losers

1. Pirates

The idea of adding veteran right-hander Matt Morris to lead a young rotation isn't ridiculous. But has anyone with the Pirates seen Morris pitch lately?

Over his last eight starts he has allowed almost two hits per inning, his ERA rising from 2.56 to 4.35. Morris, who turns 33 on Aug. 9, is one of the game's great competitors, but his successful opening to the season now looks like an aberration.

No low-revenue team can afford a No. 5 starter earning $9.5 million, and that description could very well fit Morris next season. GM Dave Littlefield just keeps digging himself a bigger hole.



2. Nationals

Can anyone figure out what the heck they're doing?

While claiming to build for the future, the Nats signed two thirty-something veterans, first baseman Dmitri Young and second baseman Ron Belliard, to two-year extensions. They then failed to trade closer Chad Cordero, setup man Jon Rauch or any other players, irritating rival clubs with their excessive demands.

Cordero, 25, might never have greater trade value; he is eligible for free agency after the '09 season, and given the volatile nature of relievers, likely to decline before then. But hey, the Nationals couldn't move Alfonso Soriano in the middle of a career year, so asking them to move Cordero for say, two decent prospects . . . well, it was just too much.

3. Angels

It's amazing how one of the game's best organizations annually ends up on this list, but the Angels have this annoying habit of targeting one player — Paul Konerko as a free agent after the '05 season, Teixeira at this year's deadline — then retreating when their best efforts fail.

In fairness, the Angels had a deal in place for shortstop Miguel Tejada last season before Orioles owner Peter Angelos interceded, and they made a competitive offer for Teixeira. But too often, the Angels point out why deals don't make sense instead of why they do. And unless they make a waiver move in August, they'll again be left with too little around Vladimir Guerrero.

4. Mariners

Maybe this is why the Angels were comfortable standing pat. The Mariners dispatched scouts all over North America to investigate trade possibilities, yet the only player they moved was Class AAA right-hander Julio Mateo, who was charged with assaulting his wife in May.

5. Twins

It's not so much the trade of second baseman Luis Castillo for two minor leaguers, dubious as that move was at a time when the team is still in contention for a postseason berth. That deal would have been acceptable, considering that Castillo is a potential free agent, if it had been accompanied by a separate deal for say, a third baseman.

Ace left-hander Johan Santana was not wrong to express his frustration. While GM Terry Ryan values stability and continuity, he should have acted in June to bolster his offense rather than simply wait for outfielder Rondell White to return from the disabled list.

6. White Sox

They huffed, and they puffed, and they traded . . . Rob Mackowiak?

The Sox planned on right-hander Jose Contreras being their principal chip, but his poor recent performance and $20 million guaranteed in 2008 and '09 foiled that strategy. GM Ken Williams aimed too high with right fielder Jermaine Dye, and now must offer him arbitration to recoup draft picks.


In Betweens
In-betweens

1. Indians/Tigers

Neither club improved its bullpen, but think about it: Gagne was the only impact reliever who was traded. And, given his history of injuries, even he's not a guarantee.

Dotel, Wheeler, Proctor and Scott Linebrink all have struggled at times this season. The prices for Cordero and others were simply too high.

At least the Tigers added lefty Macay McBride from the Braves for lefty Wil Ledezma, who later was designated for assignment and sent to the Padres.

They can acquire another reliever in August if righties Fernando Rodney and/or Joel Zumaya fail to make successful returns from injuries.

The Indians, who added Lofton, are not necessarily finished, either.

2. Padres

Michael Barrett, Milton Bradley, Scott Hairston, Rob Mackowiak, Morgan Ensberg, Shea Hillenbrand on a minor-league contract . . . it all adds up to what, exactly?

Replacing hitting coach Merv Rettenmund with Wally Joyner is yet another low-impact move that would have paled in comparison next to, say, the addition of an Adam Dunn.

3. Phillies

Second baseman Tadahito Iguchi and right-hander Kyle Lohse were reasonable grabs for a team with a thin farm system and injury-depleted roster, but the addition of Mateo is certain to draw criticism in Philadelphia.

The Phillies foolishly allowed right-hander Brett Myers to pitch last season the day after he was arrested for hitting his wife, Kim. Myers took a short leave of absence from the team, and his case was dismissed last October after Kim said that she did not want him prosecuted.

Mateo is Myers II, at least from a public-relations standpoint. Then again, Mateo was 3-1 with a 0.79 ERA, 29 strikeouts and two walks in 34 1/3 innings at Class AAA Tacoma. Any uproar will subside quickly if he pitches well for the Phillies.

4. Astros

The ultimate tweeners, thanks to owner Drayton McLane, who never wants to concede.

McLane's position is semi-understandable, seeing as how he signed left fielder Carlos Lee for $100 million, first baseman Lance Berkman for $85 million and right-hander Roy Oswalt for $73 million.

Still, the Astros needed to do more than just trade reliever Dan Wheeler for third baseman Ty Wigginton and Ensberg to the Padres for a player to be named or cash.

It would have made sense to trade closer Brad Lidge rather than pay him $8 million or more in his final year of arbitration, then potentially lose him as a free agent.

The Astros need to stockpile more young talent, and potential August deals involving players such as right-hander Jason Jennings, infielder Mark Loretta and third baseman Mike Lamb won't bring enough.

5. Reds

Class AA left-hander Matt Maloney was a decent return for Lohse, and the team still might trade Jeff Conine to the Mets in August.

Adam Dunn's contract, though, features one trap door after another, which is one reason he is difficult to deal.

The Reds could not get an adequate return for Dunn because his $13 million club option for next season voids if they move him, reducing him to a two-month rental.

If the Reds exercise the option, Dunn will gain full no-trade protection until June 15. If they decline it, they will receive only draft picks in return.


Still need bullpen help
Indians
Mariners
Tigers
Yankees
Mets
Phillies
Rockies

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7080090?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

24champ
08-01-2007, 04:40 PM
Your buddy must have a ton of cash if he follows your advice. I am heading to the game in just a little while.... would like to see history being made, but there is no way the dodgers pitch to Barry this series :wave:
:wave:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-07/31563279.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070801/capt.7e96759c95754ea8a8acf68b41466326.giants_dodge rs_baseball_catg121.jpg

MechanicalBull
08-01-2007, 06:14 PM
Supposedly the Braves offerend Wickman to the Yankees for Farnsworth but NY turned them down. I wonder why the Yanks turned that one down. Hey whatever keeps the Yanks in turmoil makes me happy.

Hogan11
08-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Losers

1. Pirates

The idea of adding veteran right-hander Matt Morris to lead a young rotation isn't ridiculous. But has anyone with the Pirates seen Morris pitch lately?

Over his last eight starts he has allowed almost two hits per inning, his ERA rising from 2.56 to 4.35. Morris, who turns 33 on Aug. 9, is one of the game's great competitors, but his successful opening to the season now looks like an aberration.

No low-revenue team can afford a No. 5 starter earning $9.5 million, and that description could very well fit Morris next season. GM Dave Littlefield just keeps digging himself a bigger hole.


Littlefield is a lame duck GM....it's already known that he's done at the end of the season. This is supposedly some kinda move to let the base know that new CEO (Nutting) is willing to put Milwaukee like money into the team......we'll see about that next season.

Paladin
08-01-2007, 06:47 PM
Go Rockies!!


Go Giants!!!


Well it worked once......

OrangeShadow
08-01-2007, 07:06 PM
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-07/31563279.jpg

i have that shirt(the black one)

24champ
08-01-2007, 07:11 PM
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-07/31563279.jpg

i have that shirt(the black one)

Rep.

BTW how much did you pay for your tickets to see Beckett? I always hear about the outrageous price of the tickets to see a game at Fenway.


I like this picture...


http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/CACC104080100_1024x768.jpg

OrangeShadow
08-01-2007, 07:14 PM
27 bucks, i was in the RF grandstands but you can still see really well

SpringStein
08-01-2007, 07:27 PM
Go Rockies!!


Go Giants!!!


Well it worked once......

Mojo doubled...

Bronco LB 59
08-01-2007, 07:28 PM
GM Ken Williams aimed too high with right fielder Jermaine Dye, and now must offer him arbitration to recoup draft picks.

I don't see how this is such a bad move for the White Sox. The team will offer Dye arbitration and he'll likely decline. Even if accepts, they get him on one-year deal which is a good thing since he can still slug 25-30 HR and help a team win.

In these deadline negotiations, teams with Type A free agents aren't going to settle for fringe prospects knowing they have three picks in the top 50 to fall back upon.

Crowpointer
08-01-2007, 09:07 PM
GM Ken Williams aimed too high with right fielder Jermaine Dye, and now must offer him arbitration to recoup draft picks.

I don't see how this is such a bad move for the White Sox. The team will offer Dye arbitration and he'll likely decline. Even if accepts, they get him on one-year deal which is a good thing since he can still slug 25-30 HR and help a team win.

In these deadline negotiations, teams with Type A free agents aren't going to settle for fringe prospects knowing they have three picks in the top 50 to fall back upon.

Papers reporting we offered Wily Mo Pena and Craig Hansen but White Sox wanted one of the untouchables (Clay Buchholz or Jacoby Ellsbury)

24champ
08-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Papers reporting we offered Wily Mo Pena and Craig Hansen but White Sox wanted one of the untouchables (Clay Buchholz or Jacoby Ellsbury)

Yeah the market sucked during the trade deadline.

MechanicalBull
08-01-2007, 10:04 PM
Rep.

BTW how much did you pay for your tickets to see Beckett? I always hear about the outrageous price of the tickets to see a game at Fenway.


I like this picture...


http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/CACC104080100_1024x768.jpg

That is a good picture. I think this might be my favorite picture so far this season.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1417/543425062_9fb3521670.jpg?v=0