Gore announces huge concert for Earth

[cutthemdown]

LOS ANGELES -- Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore announced Thursday that concerts will be held on seven continents to focus worldwide attention on the threat of climate change, with a powerhouse lineup of acts from the Red Hot Chili Peppers to Snoop Dogg to Bon Jovi.

The 24-hour event on July 7 is part of a campaign, "Save Our Selves _ The Campaign for a Climate in Crisis," that promoters hope will trigger a broad movement to address what Gore calls a global climate crisis.

"We have to get the message of urgency and hope out," Gore said at a news conference, where he was flanked by actress Cameron Diaz, rapper Pharrell Williams and producer Kevin Wall.

Promoters said the concerts _ called Live Earth _ will take place in Shanghai, China; Johannesburg, South Africa; Sydney, Australia; London and cities to be announced in Japan, Brazil and the United States. One concert will take place in Antarctica, Gore said.

Williams promised "the biggest party on earth." Promoters said the concerts could reach 2 billion people through attendance or broadcasts.

More than 100 performers are scheduled to appear, including the Foo Fighters, Lenny Kravitz, Sheryl Crow, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Duran Duran, Korn, Pharrell, the Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw.

Proceeds will create a foundation to combat climate change led by The Alliance for Climate Protection, which is chaired by Gore.

Thursday's announcement is expected to bring a surge of publicity to Gore's pet project, "An Inconvenient Truth," in the run-up to the Feb. 25 Academy Awards. The documentary on global warming is competing for two Oscars.

Gore is often mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008 despite his repeated statements that he is not running. Recently, some former aides met in Boston to discuss a campaign to draft the former vice president.

"I haven't changed my answer about politics," Gore told reporters. "I have no intention of running for president again." (AP)

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/entertainment/news/20070216p2a00m0et007000c.html



sounds good to me I like seeing musicians go out and play for free to make money instead of just complaining about causes. I will for sure go see the Southern California show. Gore has a good buzz going right now and will probably when an oscar for his documentery.

[Pezman]

You know, in some countries, you can be shot for including the words "Duran Duran" and Korn in the same concert ;D

[yavoon]

is anything more wonderfully symbolic of post industrial consumption then gigantic rock concerts? probably, but still, its pretty up there.

they should have a rock concert to protest noise pollution.

[Bronco Bob]

Think Gore is going to make a shot at running for President?

[spdirty]

One concert will take place in Antarctica, Gore said.




Hilarious! WTF are they gonna do, sing for the penguins?


sounds good to me I like seeing musicians go out and play for free to make money instead of just complaining about causes. I will for sure go see the Southern California show. Gore has a good buzz going right now and will probably when an oscar for his

One thing I don't get is where is the money raised going to go for this?

[Hogan11]

A noble gesture...but one doomed to failure.

No huge concert...from the old George Harrison Concert for Bangledesh to the Aids (Live or Farm) to the recent Live 8 show ever amounted to more than a gesture. Sorry to be cynical, but that is a fact. I've grown to really hate these huge festivals because you get to pay big money and ultimately watch the bands on a large screen because you'll never get remotely close to the stage...that's not mentioning all the aholes these things bring out of the woodwork either. Really, you're better off waiting a few months and getting the DVD of the show....it'll save you money, aggervation and it'll give you the same view of the show that you'll get by actually attending it.

[cutthemdown]

One thing I don't get is where is the money raised going to go for this?

I think to Al Gore's Presidential fund, errrrrrr, I mean his environmental group he has. It is somewhere buried in that article.

[cbs1177]

great now he will claim he created the "concert".

[SPfloppy]

Can somebody just shut this a$$hole up? I am sick and F'n tired of this loser who refuses to believe he lost the 2000 election and somehow he actually has stroke. It is sad when a man as intelligent as Al Gore can't use common sense and know when it's over for his career. Booo liberals and Boooo Al Gore

[Spider]

Can somebody just shut this a$$hole up? I am sick and F'n tired of this loser who refuses to believe he lost the 2000 election and somehow he actually has stroke. It is sad when a man as intelligent as Al Gore can't use common sense and know when it's over for his career. Booo liberals and Boooo Al Gore

come up with that all by yourself did ya ?
and wasnt it the supreme court that put Bush in office ?
Furthermore why does he have to shut up ? why dont you want clean air and water ?

[Rohirrim]

A noble gesture...but one doomed to failure.

No huge concert...from the old George Harrison Concert for Bangledesh to the Aids (Live or Farm) to the recent Live 8 show ever amounted to more than a gesture. Sorry to be cynical, but that is a fact. I've grown to really hate these huge festivals because you get to pay big money and ultimately watch the bands on a large screen because you'll never get remotely close to the stage...that's not mentioning all the aholes these things bring out of the woodwork either. Really, you're better off waiting a few months and getting the DVD of the show....it'll save you money, aggervation and it'll give you the same view of the show that you'll get by actually attending it.

You sound like an old fart. You go because it's a "happenin." You want to be there loaded out of your gills, rolling around in the mud, waiting three hours for a port-a-pottie, trying to munch down dry as bone sandwiches... wait a minute. ;D

[Rohirrim]

Can somebody just shut this a$$hole up? I am sick and F'n tired of this loser who refuses to believe he lost the 2000 election and somehow he actually has stroke. It is sad when a man as intelligent as Al Gore can't use common sense and know when it's over for his career. Booo liberals and Boooo Al Gore

Charming. Thanks for the profound political insight.

[defenseman]

It will turn into a narcisistic entertainer "love me" fest....nope, don't think I'll be having anything to do with this...dman

[spdirty]

Furthermore why does he have to shut up ?
Because he's a frickin dork ass loser who annoys the hell out of almost everyone.

why dont you want clean air and water ?

Floppy doesn't. He's all about dirty air and dirty water. In fact that dirty bastard eats dirt for meals.

BTW, has nothing to do with clean air or water. I mean is Algore and his minions gonna give us all that through their concerts? Gimme a break. Seriously, all this is about is a bunch of megalomaniacs going around singing thinking they are actually gonna make a difference, like their songs are Haliburton's kryptonite. Its stupid, but whatever. Keeps that nerd occupied so he isn't going around looking for manbearpig I guess.

[spdirty]

It will turn into a narcisistic entertainer "love me" fest....nope, don't think I'll be having anything to do with this...dman

No. Don't you get it? These concerts are the key to giving all of us clean air and water.:rofl:

[Spider]

No. Don't you get it? These concerts are the key to giving all of us clean air and water.:rofl:

and here you are talking about clean air and water .......... naw`it doesnt work ROFL!

[Spider]

Because he's a frickin dork ass loser who annoys the hell out of almost everyone.


hmmmmmmm


BTW, has nothing to do with clean air or water. I mean is Algore and his minions gonna give us all that through their concerts? Gimme a break. Seriously, all this is about is a bunch of megalomaniacs going around singing thinking they are actually gonna make a difference, like their songs are Haliburton's kryptonite. Its stupid, but whatever. Keeps that nerd occupied so he isn't going around looking for manbearpig I guess.
I guess so..........I wonder how many other people are talking about this ?

[defenseman]

No. Don't you get it? These concerts are the key to giving all of us clean air and water.:rofl:

Like the key to world peace is broomhillary or obama taking the reigns. :wiggle: . ....dman

[Spider]

Like the key to world peace is broomhillary or obama taking the reigns. :wiggle: . ....dman

LOL compared to Bush , even Napoleon looks sane ......so yeah you are right ion that one

[TailgateNut]

Can somebody just shut this a$$hole up?


Same can be said of Dubya each and every day! Please shut him up, he represents your values!

[spdirty]

hmmmmmmm


WTF is that suppose to mean?

[Spider]

WTF is that suppose to mean?

hmmmmmmmmmmm=means I wont argue with your personal opinion of th man , I just shrug it off as bias ........ it was the supreme court that made Gore a loser .... even Reagan lost elections

[Hogan11]

You sound like an old fart. You go because it's a "happenin." You want to be there loaded out of your gills, rolling around in the mud, waiting three hours for a port-a-pottie, trying to munch down dry as bone sandwiches... wait a minute. ;D

That's right Ro...and you can have all that plus a good view of a widescreen of the stage....whatta deal! Like Johnny Rotton once said "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

Experience will lead every one of the "Bonaroo types" to my conclusion eventually....happenin' or no.

[alkemical]

Will it be accoustic?

Will there be a wicked drum cirlce?

[Hogan11]

Will it be accoustic?

Will there be a wicked drum cirlce?

Probably...but there'll also be a hefty ticket price as well....."proceeds" you know.

[alkemical]

Probably...but there'll also be a hefty ticket price as well....."proceeds" you know.


So i hear that ozzfest is "free"..... yet this will probably be.... $200 a ticket

[Hogan11]

So i hear that ozzfest is "free"..... yet this will probably be.... $200 a ticket

No concert is really free..you'll always have the merch/booze/food factored in.

[Rohirrim]

Come to think of it, I wouldn't pay to see any of those people. I notice U2 isn't on there. That's a surprise. I've never liked them either. Have they ever written anything that required more than three notes? About the only people I would pay to see right now are Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen - or some good blues by just about anybody. I am no longer the target audience. ;D

[TailgateNut]

Come to think of it, I wouldn't pay to see any of those people. I notice U2 isn't on there. That's a surprise. I've never liked them either. Have they ever written anything that required more than three notes? About the only people I would pay to see right now are Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen - or some good blues by just about anybody. I am no longer the target audience. ;D


How about a bit of Tab Benoit. Goes real well with a glass of well aged scotch!
We kind of gave up on the concert scene, but we'll make exceptions for exceptional musicians once in a blue moon.

[Hogan11]

Come to think of it, I wouldn't pay to see any of those people. I notice U2 isn't on there. That's a surprise. I've never liked them either. Have they ever written anything that required more than three notes? About the only people I would pay to see right now are Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen - or some good blues by just about anybody. I am no longer the target audience. ;D

I don't care about the three notes...I find it more surprising because they are so smug and self-rightous, an event such as this screams for a band like that.

Leonard Cohen? Cool guy but definitely an acquired taste. I have this old Michalob Night Music clip of him doing "Who By Fire" backed by Sonny Rollins on VHS....needless to say, it's great.

[SPfloppy]

Do I want clean air and clean water? Sure, but not at the expense of the only viable (be realistic here for just a second and realize I am right about this) energy source that our entire infrastructure runs from OIL OIL OIL. I don't like it anymore than you but it's what we have have deal with it. Solar energy is too expensive for not enough wattage. Wing works well but wouldn't power a whole city say the size of New Orleans, Nuclear I am a fan of but lefties won't allow that to go over and replace petrol in mass because they are afraid of another 3 mile island. So what then does that leave us? As far as my earlier post being "politicaly insightful" you can straight kiss my ass. I have read post after post of you lefties bash us on the right and give no middle ground and I a repubican have coneced point after point to you people. As far as I am concerned you can stick it brother

[alkemical]

No concert is really free..you'll always have the merch/booze/food factored in.


it's sort of like an ala-carte thinger IMO

[alkemical]

Do I want clean air and clean water? Sure, but not at the expense of the only viable (be realistic here for just a second and realize I am right about this) energy source that our entire infrastructure runs from OIL OIL OIL. I don't like it anymore than you but it's what we have have deal with it. Solar energy is too expensive for not enough wattage. Wing works well but wouldn't power a whole city say the size of New Orleans, Nuclear I am a fan of but lefties won't allow that to go over and replace petrol in mass because they are afraid of another 3 mile island. So what then does that leave us? As far as my earlier post being "politicaly insightful" you can straight kiss my ass. I have read post after post of you lefties bash us on the right and give no middle ground and I a repubican have coneced point after point to you people. As far as I am concerned you can stick it brother



Because to change, it can't be a one size fits all solution. You have to maximize each region's best attributes to make it effective. What works here in PA, would not work in say... New Mexico

[Spider]

Do I want clean air and clean water? Sure, but not at the expense of the only viable (be realistic here for just a second and realize I am right about this) energy source that our entire infrastructure runs from OIL OIL OIL. I don't like it anymore than you but it's what we have have deal with it. Solar energy is too expensive for not enough wattage. Wing works well but wouldn't power a whole city say the size of New Orleans, Nuclear I am a fan of but lefties won't allow that to go over and replace petrol in mass because they are afraid of another 3 mile island. So what then does that leave us? As far as my earlier post being "politicaly insightful" you can straight kiss my ass. I have read post after post of you lefties bash us on the right and give no middle ground and I a repubican have coneced point after point to you people. As far as I am concerned you can stick it brother

Nuke power and coal is the way to go , but about Bashing Bush .........
Bush is the Commander and Chief , he is the leader ......think of it as an old western movie , Bush is the Sheriff of the posse , hot on the outlaws heels , all of the sudden they come to a canyon , Bush decides , we will ride into that Canyon , Bush leads his posse into a crossfire with no way out ....... Now you tell me is that a good leader ?

[SPfloppy]

The change that needs to brought about is so huge in it's scope (IE: getting us off oil) it will seriously take the better part of a century. Not only that it would take away a huge market that the nation's gross domestic product depends on. Guys like Al Gore and anybody not currently in office have no pull in setting in motion any legistlation or getting legistlation that would start changing our energy sources over passed. The people that can make this happen won't because of the enormous contributions and personnal stocks the politicians on both sides have in Big Oil. In the end our grandchildren are getting screwed as we have been by politicians they'll never see. A vicious cycle but one that no matter how many concerts or movies Al Gore puts out is gonna change

[Spider]

The change that needs to brought about is so huge in it's scope (IE: getting us off oil) it will seriously take the better part of a century. Not only that it would take away a huge market that the nation's gross domestic product depends on. Guys like Al Gore and anybody not currently in office have no pull in setting in motion any legistlation or getting legistlation that would start changing our energy sources over passed. The people that can make this happen won't because of the enormous contributions and personnal stocks the politicians on both sides have in Big Oil. In the end our grandchildren are getting screwed as we have been by politicians they'll never see. A vicious cycle but one that no matter how many concerts or movies Al Gore puts out is gonna change

It will change , but it has to be a smart fight ......a clear cut strategy has to be executed ........Plastic is a huge road block , transportation is another ......but we will get there

[TailgateNut]

Do I want clean air and clean water? Sure, but not at the expense of the only viable (be realistic here for just a second and realize I am right about this) energy source that our entire infrastructure runs from OIL OIL OIL. I don't like it anymore than you but it's what we have have deal with it. Solar energy is too expensive for not enough wattage. Wing works well but wouldn't power a whole city say the size of New Orleans, Nuclear I am a fan of but lefties won't allow that to go over and replace petrol in mass because they are afraid of another 3 mile island. So what then does that leave us? As far as my earlier post being "politicaly insightful" you can straight kiss my ass. I have read post after post of you lefties bash us on the right and give no middle ground and I a repubican have coneced point after point to you people. As far as I am concerned you can stick it brother


If our posts bother you, stop reading them. Put us on ignore. Continue living in your bubble, assuming what we "lefties" will and will not support.
We support anything which is rational, based on facts, and good for our country!

[SPfloppy]

It will change , but it has to be a smart fight ......a clear cut strategy has to be executed ........Plastic is a huge road block , transportation is another ......but we will get there


I'd like to be around to see it, but I doubt any of us will. I disagree with the scare tactic sguys like Gore try and use. It is worthy of note perhaps for me to say that I also disagree with the scare tactics John Ashcroft, GW and the Dept of Homeland sec used for two years proceeding after 911

[Hotrod]

Sadly Gore is becoming his own one liner.

[Rascal]

LOS ANGELES -- Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore announced Thursday that concerts will be held on seven continents to focus worldwide attention on the threat of climate change, with a powerhouse lineup of acts from the Red Hot Chili Peppers to Snoop Dogg to Bon Jovi.

The 24-hour event on July 7 is part of a campaign, "Save Our Selves _ The Campaign for a Climate in Crisis," that promoters hope will trigger a broad movement to address what Gore calls a global climate crisis.

"We have to get the message of urgency and hope out," Gore said at a news conference, where he was flanked by actress Cameron Diaz, rapper Pharrell Williams and producer Kevin Wall.

Promoters said the concerts _ called Live Earth _ will take place in Shanghai, China; Johannesburg, South Africa; Sydney, Australia; London and cities to be announced in Japan, Brazil and the United States. One concert will take place in Antarctica, Gore said.

Williams promised "the biggest party on earth." Promoters said the concerts could reach 2 billion people through attendance or broadcasts.

More than 100 performers are scheduled to appear, including the Foo Fighters, Lenny Kravitz, Sheryl Crow, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Duran Duran, Korn, Pharrell, the Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw.

Proceeds will create a foundation to combat climate change led by The Alliance for Climate Protection, which is chaired by Gore.

Thursday's announcement is expected to bring a surge of publicity to Gore's pet project, "An Inconvenient Truth," in the run-up to the Feb. 25 Academy Awards. The documentary on global warming is competing for two Oscars.

Gore is often mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008 despite his repeated statements that he is not running. Recently, some former aides met in Boston to discuss a campaign to draft the former vice president.

"I haven't changed my answer about politics," Gore told reporters. "I have no intention of running for president again." (AP)

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/entertainment/news/20070216p2a00m0et007000c.html



sounds good to me I like seeing musicians go out and play for free to make money instead of just complaining about causes. I will for sure go see the Southern California show. Gore has a good buzz going right now and will probably when an oscar for his documentery.


So how much trash will be littered, car emissions will be generated, coal or nuclear material used up at energy plants, etc to do this?

Reminds me of a hippie growing up who set up this rally for the environment. And then at the end of it had a bon fire to top it off.

[defenseman]

Sadly Gore is becoming his own one liner.

No, he is a "one-liner". And "flatlined" is a better description...dman

[RaiderH8r]

Tipper has final approval on the band lineup....or so I've heard.

[defenseman]

Tipper has final approval on the band lineup....or so I've heard.

That's a good one. the "entertainment" industry freaking HATED her in the nineties, now she's the "queenie" of the greenies with everyone trying to stuff coke up her nose. Freaking hilarious...dman

[Hotrod]

Im certainly no fan of old meltdown boy but Im thinking as much **** as he takes on the internet I bet hes sorry he ever even invented it. Ha!

[RaiderH8r]

That's a good one. the "entertainment" industry freaking HATED her in the nineties, now she's the "queenie" of the greenies with everyone trying to stuff coke up her nose. Freaking hilarious...dman

Dee Snyder and Blackie Lawless still hate her guts. She had John Denver killed you know. Otherwise, he would still hate her guts too.

[RaiderH8r]

Im certainly no fan of old meltdown boy but Im thinking as much **** as he takes on the internet I bet hes sorry he ever even invented it. Ha!

He couldn't keep the beast caged forever. The internet kind of got away from him too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So how much trash will be littered, car emissions will be generated, coal or nuclear material used up at energy plants, etc to do this?
Reminds me of a hippie growing up who set up this rally for the environment. And then at the end of it had a bon fire to top it off.
:rofl:

How much time and energy was wasted in your making this post on your employer's dime?

[Rascal]

.5 minutes and $.35.

[Rohirrim]

I would still take Gore over any of the demotards the DNC is running so far.

[Barry Ramey]

Yes Gore, well should conserve energy just like you do. Oh, oops. Hypocrite!

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'
Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research (http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367), an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:


Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
editor@tennesseepolicy.org

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes Gore, well should conserve energy just like you do. Oh, oops. Hypocrite!
How much energy does Bush's little houses use per month? Didn't he just call for Americans to conserve energy in his SOTUA?

[alkemical]

How much energy does Bush's little houses use per month? Didn't he just call for Americans to conserve energy in his SOTUA?

can you have a machine that runs on stupid?

[Bronco Bob]

can you have a machine that runs on stupid?

If we could, Bush would supply our entire energy needs for the next 20 years. ROFL!

[Bronco Bob]

Nuke power and coal is the way to go

Coal it absolutely terrible, the worst possible fuel in regards to causing global
warming because it releases the most C02 into the atmosphere of any fuel
burned because it is almost pure carbon.

At least with fuels like petroleum and natural gas part of the energy comes
from the hydrogen they contain, and burning the hydrogen in them simply
produces H2O, water.

In fact the largest percentage of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has
come from burning coal. The faster we can STOP burning coal, the safer
mankind will be.

[Bronco Bob]

The change that needs to brought about is so huge in it's scope (IE: getting us off oil) it will seriously take the better part of a century.

The problem is we don't have the better part of a century. If we keep
going at the rate we are going now, the earth will be uninhabitable
for the majority of humans by then. Billions will be dead and the
living won't be much better of, if there are any.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Coal it absolutely terrible, the worst possible fuel in regards to causing global warming because it releases the most C02 into the atmosphere of any fuel burned because it is almost pure carbon.

At least with fuels like petroleum and natural gas part of the energy comes from the hydrogen they contain, and burning the hydrogen in them simply produces H2O, water.

In fact the largest percentage of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has come from burning coal. The faster we can STOP burning coal, the safer mankind will be.
Coal will be clean as the cleanest technologies (zero emissions) in the very near future. If Bush wouldn't have suspended the clean air act it already would be much cleaner. Coal is our cheapest and most abundant energy source by far.

The first zero emissions coal plant will be on line in 3-4 years.

[Bronco Bob]

Coal will be clean as the cleanest technologies (zero emissions) in the very near future. If Bush wouldn't have suspended the clean air act it already would be much cleaner. Coal is our cheapest and most abundant energy source by far.

The first zero emissions coal plant will be on line in 3-4 years.

I'm not talking about emissions, I'm talking about the CO2 burning coal
produces. A little chemistry lesson. Coal is almost pure carbon, C.
The air is 20% oxygen, O. When you burn coal, the major by product
is carbon dioxide, CO2. So for every ton of coal burned you produce
three tons of CO2 (one ton of carbon atoms and two tons
of oxygen atoms). Unlike coal, which is a solid, CO2 is a gas.
Do you realize just how much volume a ton of CO2 occupies?
So where are these "zero emissions" plants putting these thousands
and thousands of tons of CO2 they are producing?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm not talking about emissions, I'm talking about the CO2 burning coal
produces. A little chemistry lesson. Coal is almost pure carbon, C.
The air is 20% oxygen, O. When you burn coal, the major by product
is carbon dioxide, CO2. So for every ton of coal burned you produce
three tons of CO2 (one ton of carbon atoms and two tons
of oxygen atoms). Unlike coal, which is a solid, CO2 is a gas.
Do you realize just how much volume a ton of CO2 occupies?
So where are these "zero emissions" plants putting these thousands
and thousands of tons of CO2 they are producing?
CO2 is an emission, hence the term zero emission coal technology.

[Crushaholic]

:rofl:

How much time and energy was wasted in your making this post on your employer's dime?

It's a valid question, unless you're going to guarantee there won't be any trash and people will be arriving by horse and buggy...

[Bronco Bob]

CO2 is an emission, hence the term zero emission coal technology.

Okay, what are they doing with the CO2? How are they keeping
the thousands and thousands of tons of CO2 gas from getting
into the air? I'd really like to know where they are putting
the CO2. I'm serious, I don't want to give you a hard time,
but if you could provide some links showing where they
are putting the CO2 to keep it out of the air, I'd really
be interested. I honestly would like to know, because I
have heard of no current technology to deal with the CO2.
All I know about are systems to deal with sulfur and fly ash
and other particulates, which have been around for years.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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Illinois and Texas swept the project short list, each landing two of the four locations. The U.S. Dept. of Energy (DOE) announced the four finalists in Washington, D.C., on July 25th. Illinois' short- list sites are in the cities of Mattoon and Tuscola, while the Lone Star State's locations are in Odessa and near the city of Jewett.

Wherever the plant is located, the outcome of the FutureGen operation could have a substantial impact on global energy independence, as well as on the coal and power industries.
"This project makes coal, one of the most abundant fossil <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="6" width="100"> <tbody><tr> <td>http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/images/sf060810a.jpg</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="caption">The FutureGen plant (shown above in a U.S. Energy Dept. rendering) will produce 275 megawatts, enough to power 150,000 single- family homes.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> energies in the world, available in the future in the face of growing concern over greenhouse gas emissions and climate change," Jeff Jarrett, DOE assistant secretary of fossil energy, said at the FutureGen short-list announcement.

The U.S. has enough coal to last a projected 250 years, if not longer. Coal-fired plants now produce more than half of America's electricity. But coal usage faces mounting opposition because of substantial pollution. Coal-fired operations account for more than one- third of U.S. carbon dioxide emissions. Worldwide, coal creates almost 40 percent of CO² emissions.

Pollution is the central problem that FutureGen is tackling. Unlike traditional operations, the plant won't burn coal. Instead, it will pressurize it, producing a gas from which pollutants can be easily separated. The enriched hydrogen gas that remains will then power a turbine functioning much like a jet engine. Significantly, the CO² emissions produced in pressurization won't be released into the air. They'll be captured inside the plant and then "sequestered" – injected thousands of feet below the surface of the ground.
FutureGen's initial goal is to capture at least 90 percent of the plant's CO² emissions, alliance officials say. Advanced technologies, however, could enable nearly 100 percent capture.
CONT (http://tinyurl.com/2loqvw)

[Bronco Bob]

Significantly, the CO² emissions produced in pressurization won't be released into the air. They'll be captured inside the plant and then "sequestered" – injected thousands of feet below the surface of the ground.
FutureGen's initial goal is to capture at least 90 percent of the plant's CO² emissions, alliance officials say. Advanced technologies, however, could enable nearly 100 percent capture.


Okay. That's all I was asking, what they planned on doing with the CO2.
If they can do it, its sounds like a great idea.

[alkemical]

what about if we built like a Forrest around the plants for the emissions?

[spdirty]

How much energy does Bush's little houses use per month? Didn't he just call for Americans to conserve energy in his SOTUA?

::) So that makes it OK for Gore to be one of the biggest frickin hypocrits out there huh? OK, whatever dude. When it comes to these bloated fat ass rich lefties, its all about do what I say, not what I do. Gotcha.

[spdirty]

The problem is we don't have the better part of a century. If we keep
going at the rate we are going now, the earth will be uninhabitable
for the majority of humans by then. Billions will be dead and the
living won't be much better of, if there are any.

And if all of us expend the amount of energy Gore is, then how long will it take for the Earth be uninhabitable?

[spdirty]

Also, you guys want to get on someone about pollution, go check out China Rises whenever its on again on National Geographic. Last one I saw, the fishermen can't even fish anymore cuz if they even touch some of that water in their old fishin spots they get blisters, and all the fish are dead...yet it seems that none of the true believers out there even criticize China. Its unbelievable to me, the level of intellectual dishonesty that exists in the global warming religion.

[cutthemdown]

LOL at Gores electric bill. What a hypocrit asking us to all use less when he is guzzling energy like the heat miser on crack.

[spdirty]

LOL at Gores electric bill. What a hypocrit asking us to all use less when he is guzzling energy like the heat miser on crack.

its like the head of MADD getting a DUI.

[Spider]

Okay, what are they doing with the CO2? How are they keeping
the thousands and thousands of tons of CO2 gas from getting
into the air?.

I tried to explain this before ....... but see beerslugs post ......... Coal flat out kicks ass

[Spider]

::) So that makes it OK for Gore to be one of the biggest frickin hypocrits out there huh? OK, whatever dude. When it comes to these bloated fat ass rich lefties, its all about do what I say, not what I do. Gotcha.

I am waiting for Gores answer , but as par for the course I think Drudge and the right Wing is bullshítting us once again ........ Just like WMD , Links to Al Qadea , Iran terrible , Obama went to a Madrisa ,just another in a long line of bull ..........The right wing has no problem with pulling shít from their ass and promoting it as truth

[spdirty]

I am waiting for Gores answer , but as par for the course I think Drudge and the right Wing is bullshítting us once again ........ Just like WMD , Links to Al Qadea , Iran terrible , Obama went to a Madrisa ,just another in a long line of bull ..........The right wing has no problem with pulling shít from their ass and promoting it as truth

LOL your too much. But Ill remember that.

[Spider]

LOL your too much. But Ill remember that.

well here is the deal , you know I have a big family , my utilities combined run about 800.00 in the winter , showers , laundry , cooking , etc ......
in the summer I dont get much relief on my bills due to air conditioning ......
I was home long enough tonight to shower , eat , spend some time with the wife , but now my ass is back in the rig acrossed the street from where I have to load in the morning ......... but this is how i can afford my family ......So from my point of view Gores bills are not that high , and I am`sure he has more people in his house then i do ...... So he must have solar panels and other sources for power

[cutthemdown]

its like the head of MADD getting a DUI.

Or like when Peta got caught dumping dead animals in dumpsters.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

::) So that makes it OK for Gore to be one of the biggest frickin hypocrits out there huh? OK, whatever dude. When it comes to these bloated fat ass rich lefties, its all about do what I say, not what I do. Gotcha.Who said so? Do you think any of the rich politicians in this country are living in log cabins without running water and electricity?

[Barry Ramey]

From Neal Boortz and dead on target:

AL GORE'S WEAK RESPONSE

Well, now I've heard it all. Al Gore, the Academy Award winner of the "Inconvenient Truth" documentary about global warming, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar the other day. Evidently his 20-room mansion with 8 bathrooms in Nashville uses 20 times the electricity of the average American household. Same with natural gas. Who cares, right? Well, not really. This is what you call hypocrisy...and of the highest order.

Al Gore goes around telling us all that we're environmental sinners because we're causing global warming and dirtying the planet. And yet there's Gore...riding in his gas-guzzling private jet and sitting in his 20-room mansion that almost takes an entire power plant to run. The message is loud and clear: do as I say, but not as I do. Typical politician. But the firestorm is growing, so Al Gore's office had to craft a response to the deafening roar of criticism over his Tennessee energy consumption.

According to a spokesperson, the Gores purchase offsets to reduce their overall carbon footprint (http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/5cce74fd-1730-4290-8ae6-fdb654ae4aa8). Since they invest in wind power and the like, as well as drive hybrid vehicles, this somehow balances out their gigantic power consumption at their mansion. Oh..and they had solar power panels installed...and they pay more for their power to support renewable energy. So we're supposed to believe that the good outweighs the bad here. Let's not forget. He probably plants trees also. They turn carbon dioxide to oxygen you know.

The bottom line here is that this is all completely absurd. Man is not causing any significant climate change. The carbon molecules are out there. Use them if you got 'em.

Gore got busted for not walking the talk .. and now he's trying to backpedal. Perhaps people will see right through the environmental hypocrisy of the global warming movement for once.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

[Meck77]

$30,000 utility bills. Now that's just classic right there. Some example he is setting.

If this thread serves as an unofficial poll as to Gore's crediblity I'd say he's just about lost it all. I was actually going to rent his movie but based on what I'm reading about his "conservation efforts" I think I'll pass.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

$30,000 utility bills. Now that's just classic right there. Some example he is setting.

If this thread serves as an unofficial poll as to Gore's crediblity I'd say he's just about lost it all. I was actually going to rent his movie but based on what I'm reading about his "conservation efforts" I think I'll pass. Like I said, Bush called on all Americans to conserve energy in the SOTUA, shouldn't he move out into a mud hut in the woods too?

And does anyone have the breakdown on how much of Gore's energy usage is renewable?

[Meck77]

Twist it however you want slug. It's obvious that most people on this thread see the hypocricy.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Twist it however you want slug. It's obvious that most people on this thread see the hypocricy.

So you don't know if part or all of his energy usage is renewable? What if it was, would you then be the hypocrite?

I have a choice to use renewable energy, do you?

[spdirty]

Who said so? Do you think any of the rich politicians in this country are living in log cabins without running water and electricity?

Well, the question is, why does he need such a big energy consuming mansion? Wouldn't a 5,000 sq ft house be better and set a better example? Just don't understand why he has to have all this stuff.

Also, I would think they would at least make an effort to be a little bit sensible about the energy they use, especially when the biggest one is lecturing all of us about our own energy consumption. You know another thing that hasn't been mentioned in regard to Algores hypocrisy is all the private jet trips he takes when going around giving his slideshows. You would think he would take the lead and get a more enviromentally friendly mode of transportation.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hmmmmm, guess what, Gore does use renewable energy. So it looks like some ignorant ranting on some right wing website was picked by a member here and passed on without the facts.
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Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch (http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/), installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

[alkemical]

They don't care. He's probably got a really great F'n pension that we are paying for - not to mention all the other monies he recieves.

You guys don't get it, People from DC don't live in our America.

[Bronco Bob]

Typical right wing tactics. Shoot the messenger and ignore the message.
Look people, we have 20 years to cut down our CO2 emissions by 70%
or all hell breaks loose. Fortunately I am old and may well be dead by
then. But if you give a damn about your kids, such as the baby shown
in spdirty's avatar, you'd better get off your asses and do something
about it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They don't care. He's probably got a really great F'n pension that we are paying for - not to mention all the other monies he recieves.

You guys don't get it, People from DC don't live in our America.It seems that Gore does indeed care using 100% green energy (renewable energy) in the home in question.

[spdirty]

Like I said, Bush called on all Americans to conserve energy in the SOTUA, shouldn't he move out into a mud hut in the woods too?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php

Is George Bush a Closet Green?
by Lloyd Alter, Toronto on 02.19.07
Design & Architecture


Only your dispassionate Canadian correspondent could write this without colour or favour, but is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses.” Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.” Hmm, back to that vote about the Greenest President? ::off Grid via ::EcoRazzi

[spdirty]

http://www.ofee.gov/sb/wh_solar.html


The White House Goes Solar

America's most famous residence now gets some of its energy directly from the sun. In late 2002, the White House installed its first-ever solar electric system, including putting 167 solar electric - a.k.a. "photovoltaic" - panels on the roof of the complex's primary maintenance building, and two solar thermal systems to heat the pool and spa and provide domestic hot water. The photovoltaic system feeds electricity into the White House grounds' distribution system, supplementing the complex's power supply. The American-made solar panels were manufactured by Evergreen Solar, Inc. of Marlborough, MA.

http://www.ofee.gov/sb/wh-solar.jpg The National Park Service, which administers the White House complex, worked with Solar Design Associates, a Boston-based firm, to install the systems. "We believe in these technologies, and they've been working for us very successfully," said James Doherty, the architect and project manager at the National Park Service Office for White House Liaison. "The National Park Service as a whole has long been interested in both sustainable design and renewable energy sources. We also have a mission to lower our energy consumption at all our sites, and we saw an opportunity to do both at the White House grounds."

John Howard, the Federal Environmental Executive, noted: "Installing solar panels at the White House is yet another example of President Bush's personal stewardship commitment. When he was governor, he made sure that the Governor's Mansion in Austin was one of the first to sign up to receive renewable energy. At his ranch in Crawford, the Bush family has installed a 25,000-gallon rainwater cistern for irrigation and planted native plants -- and he's busy removing invasive trees. Their geothermal heating and cooling system sends water into the ground 300 feet to keep it at a constant 67 degrees, using 75 percent less electricity than traditional heating and air-conditioning systems - and so efficiently heating the outdoor pool that they shelved their plans to install solar panels. And his national energy plan includes more than $9 billion in tax proposals to increase energy efficiency, conservation, renewable energy, and emissions-free energy."

[bendog]

Barry, that story has long been discounted as Gore spends like 400per month extra paying TVA for green power, and he buys the max amount of green TVA produces. The worst one can say of him is he's got a big house. But, most of his money he earned himself. He's making like 100k a month on his green mutual fund.

Man, I screwed up voting for bush.

[bendog]

ps, the concert's may actually increase public awareness. Even assuming carbon fuels are not contributing to global warming, which I don't, consuming less carbon for green just makes sense.

[alkemical]

It seems that Gore does indeed care using 100% green energy (renewable energy) in the home in question.

Where'd part of his family fortune come from?

[TailgateNut]

Man, I screwed up voting for bush.

Hats off to you for being one of the few who voted for Bush, realize the mistake, but are man enough to still be honest enough to say you did cast a vote.

Most of the people who were supporters of the "train wreck" don't own up to the fact that they voted for him.

[bendog]

Where'd part of his family fortune come from?

You mean his dad being Armin Hammer's personal senator? Gore's made a lot more than he inherited. It's sort of funny how it worked out. If one's honest about it, more people in fla tried to vote for him than shrub. I also think the if one's honest about it, it has to be admitted he would have been more competent than bush ... of course so would Jimmy Carter.

But Gore's qwirky personality seems to be largely a result of being raised with the expection he'd have to be elected potus to be a successful adult. That's quite a burden. JFK always assumed it would be Joe Jr's duty to be elected, and JFK was pretty weird in his own way. He accepted his family duty with some misgiving. But with Gore, his tendency to overinflate and embellish his accomplishments was wierd. I mean he really did push the internet, and but for his Love Canal hearings we certainly wouldn't have Superfund, and it's hard to underestimate his impact upon clean air and clean water acts. It's not like he doesn't have a very impressive resume going back decades.

Anyway, Gore is sure he won fair and square, and my guess is he did too. Undoubtedly had the supreme court done the fair thing and required voter intent to be taken into account, he won w/o question cause of the old Jews in Miami being confused. Jeb, however, was never going to allow it. Gore was just never going to be potus.

And that's sort of freed Gore to become a man of his own making. Junior conversely has managed a humongous cluster**** due to his oedipal fantasies.

[alkemical]

You mean his dad being Armin Hammer's personal senator? Gore's made a lot more than he inherited. It's sort of funny how it worked out. If one's honest about it, more people in fla tried to vote for him than shrub. I also think the if one's honest about it, it has to be admitted he would have been more competent than bush ... of course so would Jimmy Carter.

But Gore's qwirky personality seems to be largely a result of being raised with the expection he'd have to be elected potus to be a successful adult. That's quite a burden. JFK always assumed it would be Joe Jr's duty to be elected, and JFK was pretty weird in his own way. He accepted his family duty with some misgiving. But with Gore, his tendency to overinflate and embellish his accomplishments was wierd. I mean he really did push the internet, and but for his Love Canal hearings we certainly wouldn't have Superfund, and it's hard to underestimate his impact upon clean air and clean water acts. It's not like he doesn't have a very impressive resume going back decades.

Anyway, Gore is sure he won fair and square, and my guess is he did too. Undoubtedly had the supreme court done the fair thing and required voter intent to be taken into account, he won w/o question cause of the old Jews in Miami being confused. Jeb, however, was never going to allow it. Gore was just never going to be potus.

And that's sort of freed Gore to become a man of his own making. Junior conversely has managed a humongous cluster**** due to his oedipal fantasies.



Bendog,

I feel that Bush was (s)elected because he's part of the "party". Gore isn't. Then Kerry V. Bush was someone hedging their bets....

[bendog]

I dunno. I didn't view the selection as so much of a conspiracy. The richest 1% obviously saw an opportunity to shift even more of the tax burden to the workers, and they were tired of these pesky DLC types like Clinton with their earned income tax credits stuff. Gore was in with the DLC up to his armpits. But, the supreme court intervention was odd, so maybe you're right. I thought the better strategy would've been to allow the recount, but to have Jeb and the ho say it was "tied," and then let the Fla Legislature (overwhelming gop) name the electors, and give shrub the win that way.

Kerry ....? God.

I did read that when Gore debuted his film, and there were rumors he might be up to running, some of the big donors who'd lined up for Hill and Bill said they'd bank him if he asked. He didn't. I don't think he wants the job. IF the dems had come begging him to run, I'd think his ego would make him want it. But slugging it out with HillandBill, not to mention Obama... nah. But his family doesn't want him to run again; Tipper never did. Tipper's pretty cool in that she'd actually have strangers into the VP's house and make cookies for them.

Gore's sort of invented a guy he seems happy with. He sort of reminds me of Jobs at Apple now. He's doing it his way cause he's tired of the bs.

[alkemical]

I dunno. I didn't view the selection as so much of a conspiracy. The richest 1% obviously saw an opportunity to shift even more of the tax burden to the workers, and they were tired of these pesky DLC types like Clinton with their earned income tax credits stuff. Gore was in with the DLC up to his armpits. But, the supreme court intervention was odd, so maybe you're right. I thought the better strategy would've been to allow the recount, but to have Jeb and the ho say it was "tied," and then let the Fla Legislature (overwhelming gop) name the electors, and give shrub the win that way.

Kerry ....? God.

I did read that when Gore debuted his film, and there were rumors he might be up to running, some of the big donors who'd lined up for Hill and Bill said they'd bank him if he asked. He didn't. I don't think he wants the job. IF the dems had come begging him to run, I'd think his ego would make him want it. But slugging it out with HillandBill, not to mention Obama... nah. But his family doesn't want him to run again; Tipper never did. Tipper's pretty cool in that she'd actually have strangers into the VP's house and make cookies for them.

Gore's sort of invented a guy he seems happy with. He sort of reminds me of Jobs at Apple now. He's doing it his way cause he's tired of the bs.



Bendog,

I just find it funny that the bush's and clinton's aren't far apart on most issues. (when it comes to NAFTA, etc) - the only difference is clinton's are "new" money -

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Barry, that story has long been discounted as Gore spends like 400per month extra paying TVA for green power, and he buys the max amount of green TVA produces. The worst one can say of him is he's got a big house. But, most of his money he earned himself. He's making like 100k a month on his green mutual fund.

Man, I screwed up voting for bush.

This won't wash for Ramey, there isn't anything at all on Newsmax's or Fox's sites about Gore using 100% renewable energy for his house which debunks his whole thread.

[W*GS]

The problem is we don't have the better part of a century. If we keep going at the rate we are going now, the earth will be uninhabitable for the majority of humans by then. Billions will be dead and the living won't be much better of, if there are any.

That isn't a credible comment, i.e., you're wrong.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That isn't a credible comment, i.e., you're wrong.Bronco Bob has the right idea, just embellishing a little.

[bendog]

Bendog,

I just find it funny that the bush's and clinton's aren't far apart on most issues. (when it comes to NAFTA, etc) - the only difference is clinton's are "new" money -

Yeah, I agree. I try to give Slick the benefit of the doubt, that he had to take what was possible, not what was right or really necessary to solve the problem. Nafta has failed because it has failed to create markets for the high tech stuff we built (and post tense is becomming more true daily) because nafta lets capital flow with no barriers but won't let labor rights flow without barriers. BUT, getting any pro-labor legislation in the congress from 98-2007 was a non-starter. Hill's up to her slimy armpits in neo-liberalism.

You're right that at heart, Gore in 2000 was probably more of an old trilateralist at heart, with labor being a component of any multi-lateral trade deal

[alkemical]

Yeah, I agree. I try to give Slick the benefit of the doubt, that he had to take what was possible, not what was right or really necessary to solve the problem. Nafta has failed because it has failed to create markets for the high tech stuff we built (and post tense is becomming more true daily) because nafta lets capital flow with no barriers but won't let labor rights flow without barriers. BUT, getting any pro-labor legislation in the congress from 98-2007 was a non-starter. Hill's up to her slimy armpits in neo-liberalism.

You're right that at heart, Gore in 2000 was probably more of an old trilateralist at heart, with labor being a component of any multi-lateral trade deal


IMO Bush's & Clintons are "NWO" style - where Gore was as you say a trilateralist whom was still "old world" -

[bendog]

While not true about penises and breasts, sometimes old is better.

[alkemical]

you in the shower again today bendog? lol

no i know what you mean though bendog.

We are snuffing out the light of this country....

[bendog]

It's pissing me off that the new dimoRat congress is not pushing through legislation aimed at helping labor organize. Things like if a union is certified via a vote of the workers, the company and union have a set time to negotiate a contract, or they go to arbitration. And, that free trade only exists with countries that don't use child/slave/unpaidconvict labor, and which allow union access to the degree we do. Make Bushii veto this stuff. The Gop is so corrupt it has no credible plan for wages or upping our savings rate.

[Bronco Bob]

That isn't a credible comment, i.e., you're wrong.

We have 20 years to reduce CO2 emissions by 70% before we reach the tipping
point in regards to the amount of C02 in the atmosphere. Otherwise all hell
breaks loose. Spin it any way you want, but those are the facts.

[Spider]

LOL Neil`Bortz ...........Anyone who believes what he says needs a good ass whipping , that sorry bastard got on TV and said teachers union is more of a threat then al pukea ............. I ma not shock Barry Ramey listens to Borts , Ramey isnt one of the bright guys around here

[W*GS]

We have 20 years to reduce CO2 emissions by 70% before we reach the tipping point in regards to the amount of C02 in the atmosphere. Otherwise all hell breaks loose. Spin it any way you want, but those are the facts.

Who says this?

Certainly not any reasonable scientist. I know many of them. Personally.

[Bronco Bob]

Who says this?

Certainly not any reasonable scientist. I know many of them. Personally.

Robert G. Strom, for one. I know him personally, as he is as reasonable
and nice a person as you are going to meet. I attended his talk last
night where he presented the problem:

http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/wa/MainStoryDetails?ArticleID=13595

Now your turn. Tell me the scientists you know and what they have to say
on the subject and where they disagree with Professor Strom.

Links would also be helpful.

[Barry Ramey]

LOL Neil`Bortz ...........Anyone who believes what he says needs a good ass whipping , that sorry bastard got on TV and said teachers union is more of a threat then al pukea ............. I ma not shock Barry Ramey listens to Borts , Ramey isnt one of the bright guys around here

Um yeah, from a goofball who drives a truck all day and spends time trying to pick up prostitutes along the way and likely gets rejected I might add. No one is going to label you a genius anytime soon, much less is your very being going to matter to society either. Just thought you should know :~ohyah!:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Um yeah, from a goofball who drives a truck all day and spends time trying to pick up prostitutes along the way and likely gets rejected I might add. No one is going to label you a genius anytime soon, much less is your very being going to matter to society either. Just thought you should know :~ohyah!:Your being does? Do tell.

[W*GS]

Robert G. Strom, for one.

Never heard of him.

Tell me the scientists you know and what they have to say on the subject and where they disagree with Professor Strom.

Would Dr. Strom agree with your comment:

"We have 20 years to reduce CO2 emissions by 70% before we reach the tipping point in regards to the amount of C02 in the atmosphere. Otherwise all hell breaks loose. Spin it any way you want, but those are the facts."

I rather doubt it.

Links would also be helpful.

Suffice to say I've been working with climate models for more than 20 years now and I know of what I speak.

Unsupportable doomsterism just gives fuel to the denialists. That's why I don't engage in it.

[Bronco Bob]

Never heard of him.


Your fault, not mine.

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/faculty/strom2.html


Would Dr. Strom agree with your comment:

"We have 20 years to reduce CO2 emissions by 70% before we reach the tipping point in regards to the amount of C02 in the atmosphere. Otherwise all hell breaks loose. Spin it any way you want, but those are the facts."

I rather doubt it.


http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/wa/MainStoryDetails?ArticleID=13595



Suffice to say I've been working with climate models for more than 20 years now and I know of what I speak.



Still waiting for some links to justify your position.

[Spider]

Um yeah, from a goofball who drives a truck all day and spends time trying to pick up prostitutes along the way and likely gets rejected I might add. No one is going to label you a genius anytime soon, much less is your very being going to matter to society either. Just thought you should know :~ohyah!:
Yeah I am a working man , no shame in driving a truck, as for being a genius , Hilarious! I am supporting a family of 8 with no help ,we both know if you was in my shoes your punk ass would be on welfare ........... And i am Damn glad the hookers reject me , I catch something , take it home to the wife , she gets it , I am paying Child support on 6 kids ........... But then Barry last time you been laid is when your finger broke through the toilet paper

[TailgateNut]

But then Barry last time you been laid is when your finger broke through the toilet paper


OUCH:rofl:

[Spider]

OUCH:rofl:

Part that cracked me up was , he acted as if Driving Truck was a meaningless Job , if it wernt for trucks and Drivers , his ass would starve to death while running around naked ..............

[bendog]

No I have the meaningless job ... though I'm providing my child with health insurance and my wife with a retirement. (-:

[W*GS]

Your fault, not mine.

Dr. Strom has spent nearly all his career outside climate science - doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about, but he's not one of the "biggies" in the field - the ones I know personally.

And yes, repeating the link to his talk doesn't make your argument more credible.

Would Dr. Strom agree with your assertion:

"If we keep going at the rate we are going now, the earth will be uninhabitable for the majority of humans by then. Billions will be dead and the living won't be much better of, if there are any."

Still waiting for some links to justify your position.

Try

http://www.ipcc.ch

Nothing in there about the deaths of billions of people and an "uninhabitable" planet.

[Barry Ramey]

Yeah I am a working man , no shame in driving a truck, as for being a genius , Hilarious! I am supporting a family of 8 with no help ,we both know if you was in my shoes your punk ass would be on welfare ........... And i am Damn glad the hookers reject me , I catch something , take it home to the wife , she gets it , I am paying Child support on 6 kids ........... But then Barry last time you been laid is when your finger broke through the toilet paper


Yeah right herpes boy. I'm glad not to be in your idiotic shoes since I have more sense to not have so many kids I couldn't afford and having to pay child support for other kids who are deemed more fit to be with their mother instead of toothless you :thanku:

[Barry Ramey]

Part that cracked me up was , he acted as if Driving Truck was a meaningless Job , if it wernt for trucks and Drivers , his ass would starve to death while running around naked ..............

No genius, trucking is only meaningless when it employs meaningless people, such as yourself. Go back to making more babies you can't afford or even raise.

[Spider]

Yeah right herpes boy. I'm glad not to be in your idiotic shoes since I have more sense to not have so many kids I couldn't afford and having to pay child support for other kids who are deemed more fit to be with their mother instead of toothless you :thanku:

Yawn ......... thats it ? all of my kids live with me .....
No genius, trucking is only meaningless when it employs meaningless people, such as yourself. Go back to making more babies you can't afford or even raise.
I tell you what , I wont tell you how to stock the shelves at wal mart , you dont tell me about what the trucking industry is or isnt