You got to love it....

[TailgateNut]

...living in a perfect world...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17164765/

[Spider]

LOL , that plan didnt go far

[Hotrod]

Thats just it. We cant seem to get thru are thick American skulls that not everyone lives/acts/thinks like we do. Damn

[bendog]

I was listening to NPR's lunchtime news show. The gop is going to hollar that the dems are cutting funding for forces in the field. But, beginning next week, Murtha's defense appropriations subcommittee is actually going to start doing something much more thorough. They want pass a law prohibiting bushii and the DOD from deploying any unit that hasn't been certified combat ready, which includes both a level of training and equipment; prohibiting stop-loss; prohibiting deployment for more than a year; and require a year stateside before redeployment.

[Hotrod]

While their motive maybe pure the idea is stupid/silly and dangerous. Handcuffing the military is simply a bad idea.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I was listening to NPR's lunchtime news show. The gop is going to hollar that the dems are cutting funding for forces in the field. But, beginning next week, Murtha's defense appropriations subcommittee is actually going to start doing something much more thorough. They want pass a law prohibiting bushii and the DOD from deploying any unit that hasn't been certified combat ready, which includes both a level of training and equipment; prohibiting stop-loss; prohibiting deployment for more than a year; and require a year stateside before redeployment.Good! It's about time we start treating our military forces as soldiers instead of Bush's rent a cops.

[Crushaholic]

Well, it shows that they DID have a plan to win the war. It just didn't go as planned...

[bendog]

Well, it shows that they DID have a plan to win the war. It just didn't go as planned...

So'd Custer.

[SPfloppy]

Hey once again I'd like to point out that Tommy franks isn't a moron it was Rummy who has the bid say so when it comes to any defense plan for offensive or defensive ops involving the US military. Rummy's fault not Franks

[defenseman]

While their motive maybe pure the idea is stupid/silly and dangerous. Handcuffing the military is simply a bad idea.

Yep, essentially what they are trying to do is shut it down WITHOUT having to take responsibility for it. They can spin it anyway they want to, but that is in essence what they are going to attempt to do. I prefer they vote to defund and take the guess work out of it. At least, they are taking a stand on their principles vice the backroom plotting presently in the works..dman

[Bronco Bob]

Hey once again I'd like to point out that Tommy franks isn't a moron it was Rummy who has the bid say so when it comes to any defense plan for offensive or defensive ops involving the US military. Rummy's fault not Franks

Agreed. It was Rumsfeld who wanted to showcase his bright idea of
a quick strike army that could go in and win with a minimum amount
of troops.
Hell, if Rumsfeld didn't have Iraq, he'd have probably got the US
to invade Antarctica and taken on the penguins.
The whole thing was based on the idea that the Iraqi
people would be so glad to be rid of Saddam Hussein that we'd be
greated as liberators and thus there would be no need to maintain
a large standing army afterwards. Rumsfeld obviously never thought
of the Iraqis doing a rope-a-dope and giving up so easily in the
initial phase of the war to allow them to form a guerilla army later.
Hell, if Rumsfeld didn't have Iraq, he'd have probably got the US
to invade Antarctica and taken on the penguins.
Tommy Franks is the only general who didn't say it was a stupid
idea, and thus he was the only one who wasn't fired and so
General Franks got the job by default

[defenseman]

Well, it shows that they DID have a plan to win the war. It just didn't go as planned...

ANY plan is only good right up to when, the first shot is fired. After that , IF the plan is not a "living" plan with the flexibility to allow the field commander to adjust at will, it is without a doubt worthless...dman

*In short if you aren't a field commander who can think on your feet, you are useless. And, micro managing a war, from a room in DC, doesn't afford ANYONE the best chance of success. Right commander, built in flexibility, able to solve problems before they are problems is the formula for success. KEEP the freaking congress the hell out, they aren't there, and they aren't training any weapon on the enemy.

[TailgateNut]

Well, it shows that they DID have a plan to win the war. It just didn't go as planned...

Are you ****ing serious? If, yes, get help immediately!

[Bronco Bob]

Yep, essentially what they are trying to do is shut it down WITHOUT having to take responsibility for it. They can spin it anyway they want to, but that is in essence what they are going to attempt to do. I prefer they vote to defund and take the guess work out of it. At least, they are taking a stand on their principles vice the backroom plotting presently in the works..dman

I suspect this is merely the trial balloon to so how this goes over.
I think what they will go with next is Murtha's idea to make the
rules so hard as to who goes over in regards to training and equipment
and a year off between deployments that in effect no soldier would
be qualified to go over.
Defunding is probably the last resort if all else fails.

[TailgateNut]

Hey once again I'd like to point out that Tommy franks isn't a moron it was Rummy who has the bid say so when it comes to any defense plan for offensive or defensive ops involving the US military. Rummy's fault not Franks


Aah, Rummy, the scapegoat. Yes he was one of the morons, but the chief is still in charge.

[defenseman]

The dems are scared to death this plan will work. Second, they have offered no plan to "successfully" negotiate the rest of the war, whenever that may be. Third, pulling up stakes and running is not a plan. Offer a plan on the table, ensure it's viable, and I will shake everyone of their hands metaphorically speaking. Until then, they sit on the sidelines and hope for failure is all I'm seeing presently...dman

[TailgateNut]

I suspect this is merely the trial balloon to so how this goes over.
I think what they will go with next is Murtha's idea to make the
rules so hard as to who goes over in regards to training and equipment
and a year off between deployments that in effect no soldier would
be qualified to go over.
Defunding is probably the last resort if all else fails.

Eventually this admin. will realize, that one way or another, our troops will come home, and NO, although President (spit), you will not overide the majority and blatantly disregard the commision and the voice of the American public. There is more than one way to "skin this cat"!

[defenseman]

I suspect this is merely the trial balloon to so how this goes over.
I think what they will go with next is Murtha's idea to make the
rules so hard as to who goes over in regards to training and equipment
and a year off between deployments that in effect no soldier would
be qualified to go over.
Defunding is probably the last resort if all else fails.

In any case, eventually, they will have to take responsibility for their actions. I'm guessing it will get ugly. As I said though, defunding and taking a firm stand suits me much better. I respect anyone who can take a stand on principle, and subsequently back it up. Like it or not, that is what this country is all about..dman

[defenseman]

Eventually this admin. will realize, that one way or another, our troops will come home, and NO, although President (spit), you will not overide the majority and blatantly disregard the commision and the voice of the American public. There is more than one way to "skin this cat"!

I would be careful about the voice of the american public. I'm thinking there is alot skewed information out there with respect to that. I suspect the military numbers are heavily in favor of finishing the job, and I question ANY source that says ALL military interviewed wanted to pull out, or on the other side ALL want to stay. The Majority I have talked to personally, want to finish the job. A small minority want to stop it now......dman

[TailgateNut]

In any case, eventually, they will have to take responsibility for their actions. I'm guessing it will get ugly. As I said though, defunding and taking a firm stand suits me much better. I respect anyone who can take a stand on principle, and subsequently back it up. Like it or not, that is what this country is all about..dman

Tomorrows' vote is just the beginning of the end for GW's ME adventure ride!
Listen to the Iraq debate on CNN.
Using our troops as terrorist bait is not acceptable!

[TailgateNut]

I would be careful about the voice of the american public. I'm thinking there is alot skewed information out there with respect to that. I suspect the military numbers are heavily in favor of finishing the job, and I question ANY source that says ALL military interviewed wanted to pull out, or on the other side ALL want to stay. The Majority I have talked to personally, want to finish the job. A small minority want to stop it now......dman

As my teenage daughter would say: WHATEVER!
Why should I be careful about the voice of the American public. It spoke last election, now those who were elected are "speaking" for us!

[defenseman]

As my teenage daughter would say: WHATEVER!
Why should I be careful about the voice of the American public. It spoke last election, now those who were elected are "speaking" for us!

So you , are the self annointed spokesman for the american public? Throttle back nut, you are but one voice, and one only. Nor more, no less...dman

[Hotrod]

The dems are scared to death this plan will work. Second, they have offered no plan to "successfully" negotiate the rest of the war, whenever that may be. Third, pulling up stakes and running is not a plan. Offer a plan on the table, ensure it's viable, and I will shake everyone of their hands metaphorically speaking. Until then, they sit on the sidelines and hope for failure is all I'm seeing presently...dman

Im not sure they are scared this plan will work. The rest of the post is 100% accurate.

Im soooo sick of the left crying/bitching and using the war in Iraq to their advantage to pick up votes.

Crying/bitching/stamping feet is not a political policy. Someone should tell the left this little tidbit.

[freak6]

Crying/b****ing/stamping feet is not a political policy. Someone should tell the left this little tidbit.

No one is crying. No one is bitching. They are tired of the countless mistakes that the Worst President in History has made.

COUNTLESS MISTAKES!!!

Someone should tell Shrub we won the war 2 years ago when they had thier elections and we should have gotten out then, and definitely now.

[Hotrod]

No one is crying. No one is b****ing. They are tired of the countless mistakes that the Worst President in History has made.

COUNTLESS MISTAKES!!!

Someone should tell Shrub we won the war 2 years ago when they had thier elections and we should have gotten out then, and definitely now.

So the lefts answer is to run? I certainly dont have any answers but worry about what the bill would be when it came do for our leaving right now.

[defenseman]

Tomorrows' vote is just the beginning of the end for GW's ME adventure ride!
Listen to the Iraq debate on CNN.
Using our troops as terrorist bait is not acceptable!

And if we prevail? What will you say then? By the way, it's not debate, it's wholesale defamation. Lobbing insults is not my idea of debate, and both sides do it, they are both at fault...dman

[bendog]

Define prevail. It's beyond doubt that Iran will now have the most prestige in the area of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. The only real question left with Iraq is whether ultimately the govt will include shia clerics inside the govt as does Iran, or whether they'll be more moderate in terms of just criticizing from the outside. And the saudis and sunni will have to work some accomodation with Iran to be left in some sense of peace, assuming al queda doesn't continue butchering the shia.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And if we prevail? What will you say then? By the way, it's not debate, it's wholesale defamation. Lobbing insults is not my idea of debate, and both sides do it, they are both at fault...dmanPrevail at what? Freaking amazing some people don't understand what we have done over there!!!

[Crushaholic]

Are you ****ing serious? If, yes, get help immediately!

A stable Iraq by 2006 was a pretty good plan. Did it work? Of course not. That's all I'm saying...

[TailgateNut]

And if we prevail? What will you say then? By the way, it's not debate, it's wholesale defamation. Lobbing insults is not my idea of debate, and both sides do it, they are both at fault...dman

****ing bull**** on your part once again. If you would take the time to pull yourself from reading the "Bubbleman Weekly" you'ld understand several things. Watch the damn thing before you spout off.
1. "we wont prevail in Georges endeavour to change the habits of a people who haven't changed in 100's of years.
2. If it were defamation as you put it (which it isn't), I doubt these senators and Representatives would be doing it in front of a national audience.
3. The one's who are most insulting are generally the repubs who are still behind george's "plan". You know, the "un-patriotic" spiel.

[TailgateNut]

A stable Iraq by 2006 was a pretty good plan. Did it work? Of course not. That's all I'm saying...

A stable Iraq by 2006 was not a plan, it was a vision Bush had during one of his drug flashbacks.
A stable Iraq, period, is also a dream. It was fairly stable before he fugged it up!

[Garcia Bronco]

A stable Iraq by 2006 was not a plan, it was a vision Bush had during one of his drug flashbacks.
A stable Iraq, period, is also a dream. It was fairly stable before he fugged it up!

It was stable before hand, under pain of death.

[defenseman]

****ing bull**** on your part once again. If you would take the time to pull yourself from reading the "Bubbleman Weekly" you'ld understand several things. Watch the damn thing before you spout off.
1. "we wont prevail in Georges endeavour to change the habits of a people who haven't changed in 100's of years.
2. If it were defamation as you put it (which it isn't), I doubt these senators and Representatives would be doing it in front of a national audience.
3. The one's who are most insulting are generally the repubs who are still behind george's "plan". You know, the "un-patriotic" spiel.

ROFL! LOL Hilarious dude, quite the gem. thanks for bringing a little laughter into my day...really enjoyed it...dman

[defenseman]

It was stable before hand, under pain of death.

Let, the truth be told. thanky to you GB...dman

[TailgateNut]

It was stable before hand, under pain of death.


...and we've made it unstable, under pain of death. I'd prefer stable, with water, electricity, food, ...........

[TailgateNut]

ROFL! LOL Hilarious dude, quite the gem. thanks for bringing a little laughter into my day...really enjoyed it...dman

Nothing funny about it.

[Garcia Bronco]

...and we've made it unstable, under pain of death. I'd prefer stable, with water, electricity, food, ...........

You just don't get it. They didn't have feast on food before..and if you disagreed about being hungry...you would also be killed.

[defenseman]

Nothing funny about it.

Whatever dude, relax. I'm in a good mood and it appeared anyway, you were a bit agitated...I have no doubt, all the issues will eventually work out, they always do..dman

[Hotrod]

Nothing funny about it.

Actually I got a chuckle of out "bubbleman weekly" :giggle:

[TailgateNut]

Whatever dude, relax. I'm in a good mood and it appeared anyway, you were a bit agitated...I have no doubt, all the issues will eventually work out, they always do..dman


..a bit agitated??? Who, Me? Actually, Im the one you'll read about......

[defenseman]

..a bit agitated??? Who, Me? Actually, Im the one you'll read about......

I certianly hope not. Agitated and handcuffed is no way to go through life..dman

[TailgateNut]

It's been fun, but I've got to close up the office. It's friday, and Mardi Gras parties are more fun than this circle jerk.

See ya. Have a good weekend.

Peace!

[Garcia Bronco]

It's been fun, but I've got to close up the office. It's friday, and Mardi Gras parties are more fun than this circle jerk.

See ya. Have a good weekend.

Peace!

Have good weekend TG.

[Hotrod]

It's been fun, but I've got to close up the office. It's friday, and Mardi Gras parties are more fun than this circle jerk.

See ya. Have a good weekend.

Peace!


BS you would not know a good circle jerk..............err nevermind ;D

[defenseman]

Actually I got a chuckle of out "bubbleman weekly" :giggle:

exactly , I enjoyed it too....dman!Booya!

[Hotrod]

exactly , I enjoyed it too....dman!Booya!

He sounded a little cranky today. Usually hes just touchy but definatly cranky today.