Yes, he really said that. Tim Hardaway - "I hate gay people."

[MadCity]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

[RhymesayersDU]

Heard about this. Pretty incredible that he'd say that on the record.

[Goobzilla]

Classy guy.

[azbroncfan]

Amaechi is going to comment on it on Mike and mike in the morning.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He should have said something cool like "let's kill all of the Christians."

Then we could quote him when we need an argument from authority.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Amaechi is going to comment on it on Mike and mike in the morning.

Thank goodness. We need to all listen to and accept everything he says as an example proper ethical and moral behavior.

[azbroncfan]

Thank goodness. We need to all listen to and accept everything he says as an example proper ethical and moral behavior.


This guy is just a hack that is now getting the attention he could never get with his terrible basketball skills. I could care less about his sexual orientation and I don't have a problem with gays other than they have to announce it to everyone and make a big deal about it.

[Sodak]

What a dumbass. He's probably gay and in denial.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This guy is just a hack that is now getting the attention he could never get with his terrible basketball skills. I could care less about his sexual orientation and I don't have a problem with gays other than they have to announce it to everyone and make a big deal about it.


He's selling a book.

That should tell us all we need to know.

[Sassy]

Freedom of speech and all that...it's the media's fault for making a big deal out of it. Who cares really what he thinks.

[MadCity]

I'm not claiming him to be any kind of authority.


I'm more amazed at the fact that he pretty much just committed career suicide.

[Tredici]

Next thing is someone will be let it be known they hate Hardaway.

Where will the madness end??

[ro_50]

If Amaechi wants to be courageous or admirable, then he would've come out while he was playing.

I'm all for Gay rights but the timing of this is just pathetic, around the All-Star break and right when his book comes out. He is profit-ing off his sexual orientation and I wonder what do gays think of him. Do they think he's courageous for coming out or think he's doing this to make a few bucks.

BTW, Tim Hardaway is just an IDIOT for making those comments on air. I'm sure there are people out there that share the same opinion he does (I'm not one of them) but they don't have the platform that TH had and he basically just let his ignorant mouth do the talking.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm not claiming him to be any kind of authority.
I'm more amazed at the fact that he pretty much just committed career suicide.


I think he committed career suicide when he no longer had a public career.

[MadCity]

I think he committed career suicide when he no longer had a public career.

I thought he still did part time work for ESPN and ABC.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I thought he still did part time work for ESPN and ABC.

Does that qualify?

Let's just put it this way...Hardaway used to have his own products to market. Does anybody else remember that black streetball basketball of his?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just listened to the interview, and I noticed a couple of things...

I dont think that Hardaway agreed to talk about the issue. LeBatard threw the question in at the very end of the interview. Hardaway sounded upset about him asking the question.

After Hardaway explains his views on homosexuality, LeBatard calls him a homophobe in an angry tone, and Hardaway spouts off the "I hate gay people" stuff.

At first, Hardaway simply said that he doesnt agree with homosexual behavior and that he thinks its wrong, then he said that he doesnt think that it's a good idea to have gay men in the locker room with strait men. On the latter point, I would have to say that he has a legit concern. Why should it be okay for a sexually interested person to enter a locker room where men are bearing themselves in the open. A man's nudity is his own, and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.

Yeah, gay people have rights too, but lets not let those rights impede on a person's own rights to the sanctity and privacy of their own body.

[BroncoBuff]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."
He says a lotta weird things .... I was a reporter in El Paso when he was there, and once in a live interview from Provo after they'd won in the semis, I asked him what he hoped would happen in the finals (vs. BYU), and he said, "I want to get a ring with a diamond as big as my head."

I didn't have the heart to tell him the WAC didn't give out rings to conference tournament champs. They lost anyway. Antonio Davis anbd Greg Foster were also on that team. Those three had a LOTTA good years in the league.

[sisterhellfyre]

I'm all for Gay rights but the timing of this is just pathetic, around the All-Star break and right when his book comes out. He is profit-ing off his sexual orientation and I wonder what do gays think of him. Do they think he's courageous for coming out or think he's doing this to make a few bucks.

:shrug: A little of both, and others don't care. There isn't one voice or one spokesperson for the gay community, any more than Rush Limbaugh speaks for all white men. The range of gay folks' reactions will be just as widespread as you'd expect of any other group of people.

Regards,
m.

[sisterhellfyre]

This guy is just a hack that is now getting the attention he could never get with his terrible basketball skills. I could care less about his sexual orientation and I don't have a problem with gays other than they have to announce it to everyone and make a big deal about it.

Just like heterosexual people make big deals out of their dates and weddings?

Or like straight men writing "yeah, I'd nail THAT!" in response to avatar photos here on the board?

Just a thought.

Regards,
m.

[Dagmar]

I hate straight people. Including myself and my wife.

[Crushaholic]

What would Lil Penny say?

[Atlas]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

More power to him. At least he isn't honest about it.

[Atlas]

I hate extrememly fat people in buffet lines... I don't know why but it bothers me!

[-Slap-]

I hate Dan LeBetard. I wish a fat gay person would fall from the sky and crush him to death in front of his family.

[Kaylore]

Next thing is someone will be let it be known they hate Hardaway.

Where will the madness end??
LOL

I hate Dan LeBetard. I wish a fat gay person would fall from the sky and crush him to death in front of his family.

LOL

Man this thread is too funny.

[Kaylore]

Just like heterosexual people make big deals out of their dates and weddings?

Or like straight men writing "yeah, I'd nail THAT!" in response to avatar photos here on the board?

Just a thought.

Regards,
m.
That's because it's different and is something most people don't care for, and some don't agree with.

While I don't care personally, I know for a fact that there are some on here who don't care for the "I'd-nail-that" comments when a chick wearing dental floss is posted.

Saying those things about someone of the same gender draws some uncomfortable responses because not many people can identify with it.

If I said "I like to put ketchup and pork on my ice cream" you'd get a bunch of people saying "ewww" and "that's gross, dude." If I took it further and asked my friends what they thought about me as a person because of this, most wouldn't really care and just say "I think that's weird and it's not my thing, but you're a cool guy." My Jewish friends would tell me it's against their religion, but that doesn't mean we can't be cool.

I know who you love and want to be intimate with is obviously more serious that this example, but I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

Is it fair? Probably not, but that's life. Sorry.

[Clockwork Orange]

What would Lil Penny say?

Probably something like, "How did I get roped into this? I'm a wooden, miniature version of Anfernee Hardaway."

[Hogan11]

Yawn. ZZZ...

[RhymesayersDU]

Probably something like, "How did I get roped into this? I'm a wooden, miniature version of Anfernee Hardaway."

Beat me to it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Thank goodness. We need to all listen to and accept everything he says as an example proper ethical and moral behavior.Just as much as we need to listen to your moral ranting.

I just listened to the interview, and I noticed a couple of things...
I dont think that Hardaway agreed to talk about the issue. LeBatard threw the question in at the very end of the interview. Hardaway sounded upset about him asking the question. You think?

After Hardaway explains his views on homosexuality, LeBatard calls him a homophobe in an angry tone, and Hardaway spouts off the "I hate gay people" stuff.BS!


Why should it be okay for a sexually interested person to enter a locker room where men are bearing themselves in the open.
Why do you think any Gay would be "sexually interested" in you?

Yeah, gay people have rights too, but lets not let those rights impede on a person's own rights to the sanctity and privacy of their own body.
LOL
I bet you have nightmares of some Gay person nailing you in a closet at work!

[Rock Chalk]

Is there some law where people have to like each other? Did this get passed without my knowledge?

So, Tim hates gay people and doesnt want to be around them, so do most of the world's population contrarty to media hype.

[OrangeShadow]

yeah he said it? whats the big deal its his opinion and he has a right to voice it. Personally i dont give a rats ass what he thinks.

I hate people who take back roads just to drive 10 MPH UNDER the speed limit
I hate people with 13 items in a 12 items or less checkout line
I hate screaming death metal
I hate country music
I hate pop music

[crazyhorse]

Doesn't the entire Christian population hate gay people?

What's the big deal?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Hardeway's comments appear shocking in the current media culture where PC responses are expected as the norm for public communicaiton. His thoughts probably reflect the views of the large majority of NBA players however. Acceptance of the gay lifestyle has not penetrated the black community as it has society at large, and remains highly taboo among the majority of black males, where gay men are considered the antithesis of the cultural machismo that dominates most thinking about this topic. I don't find it suprising he thinks this way, but somewhat starling he admited to it in an interview given his long experience with the press as a professional athlete used to dealing with the spotlight of media attention.

While I personallly don't appreciate for any view that expresses hatred for somebody, in some respects it's almost refreshing to hear somebody admit to how they truly feel instead of taking the PC route and knuckling under to the expectations of the press. I'm guessing the image conscious NBA will probably fine Hardeway for his comments. I understand he's already apologized for the statements, which just goes to exhibit the extent to which our culture feels more comfortable with the demonstration of obvious hypocrisy than non-conformity when it comes to these kind of issues. I'm waiting for the day that an athlete, entertainer or politician decides to stand by their remarks and tells the PC police to shove it. I doubt we'll see it anytime soon.

[bronco militia]

Doesn't the entire Christian population hate gay people?

What's the big deal?

wtf?.....

[bendog]

and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.
--
This is why I stopped showering after my workout. I know there are some gay guys at my club. I wouldn't want to see their woodies that may nudeness might cause.

[Stormontheplains]

When is not Classy to be HONEST instead of being fake and politically correct.Congrats to a man for being honest.

[ludo21]

Good for him.

Being gay is wrong imo, and good for him to come out and voice his opinion on the matter

[cousinal11]

This is a bit off subject but it is about Tim Hardaway and how big of a moron he is.

When he worked for ESPN years ago, he wasn't exactly the Peter Gammons of basketball. I recall one time him talking about the Lakers and he pretty much said this...

"Mannnn, the Lakers are struggling but it isn't all on Shaq and Kobe. That guy who starts with them really needs to step it up. I can't remember his name right now but he needs to step his game up. And that guy who comes off the bench. I can't remember his name right now either, but he needs to step up too."

"Thanks for your insights Tim."

[Atlas]

and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.
--
This is why I stopped showering after my workout. I know there are some gay guys at my club. I wouldn't want to see their woodies that may nudeness might cause.


HAHAHAHHAA

[Atlas]

This is a bit off subject but it is about Tim Hardaway and how big of a moron he is.

When he worked for ESPN years ago, he wasn't exactly the Peter Gammons of basketball. I recall one time him talking about the Lakers and he pretty much said this...

"Mannnn, the Lakers are struggling but it isn't all on Shaq and Kobe. That guy who starts with them really needs to step it up. I can't remember his name right now but he needs to step his game up. And that guy who comes off the bench. I can't remember his name right now either, but he needs to step up too."

"Thanks for your insights Tim."


Why is he a moron? I'll bet 40% of the NBA feels exactly the way he does. At least he has the balls to be honest about it. When people start being honest that's when a dialogue can take place.

[bendog]

Hey, I'm serious. I mean have you ever counted the times you've seen those huge boners on the gay guys in the locker rooms?

[cousinal11]

Why is he a moron? I'll bet 40% of the NBA feels exactly the way he does. At least he has the balls to be honest about it. When people start being honest that's when a dialogue can take place.

Well he was a moron on ESPN and it doesn't seem like it has gotten much better since he got canned.

[sirhcyennek81]

[QUOTE=angryllama;1482357]At first, Hardaway simply said that he doesnt agree with homosexual behavior and that he thinks its wrong, then he said that he doesnt think that it's a good idea to have gay men in the locker room with strait men. On the latter point, I would have to say that he has a legit concern. Why should it be okay for a sexually interested person to enter a locker room where men are bearing themselves in the open. A man's nudity is his own, and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.QUOTE]


This entire paragraph is bull****. If anything, the gay guy would feel more akward then any straight guy in being naked in a room full of men. I realize straight guys have this inordinate fear of being checked out my another dude, but its ridiculous. If a gay guy is playing a team sport, he is there for the sport, and not the guys he is playing with. We constantly hear how on sports teams, the coach assumes a "father" role, teammates become brothers, its not any different for the gay guy. You get close to your teammates, any sexual thought leaves your head. It would be like thinking about an actual blood sibling in a sexual way and thats gross. Also, if a man chooses to go bareassed in a room full of other men, his nudity is no longer his own, because everyone can see it.


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Tim Hardaway can say what he likes, thats his opinion, everyone is entitled. But I promise you fate will hand tim something interesting, like a gay son or daughter. Thats how it works. Racists get a son in law in the color they hate, Jihadis get a Christian daughter in law.


:Broncos:

[Bronco Bob]

Why is he a moron? I'll bet 40% of the NBA feels exactly the way he does. At least he has the balls to be honest about it. When people start being honest that's when a dialogue can take place.

While that is probably true, consider that when people like Jimmy the Greek
and Rush Limbaugh made comments about black people, actually just
observations, they also got canned. They didn't even say they hated
black people, just that black people were better athletes and the
media gave them preferential treatment. So even if it's is true a large
percentage of NBA players hate gays, people are going to get called
for it when they say it in a public forum. People, or at least the media,
don't even really care about honesty, they just want something to
talk about and then pretend they are taking a high moral ground.

[Sean]

This is why I stopped showering after my workout. I know there are some gay guys at my club. I wouldn't want to see their woodies that may nudeness might cause.

You're just going to have to become comfortable with the effect you have on people bendog. I get hard simply by reading your posts.

[alkemical]

Freedom of speech and all that...it's the media's fault for making a big deal out of it. Who cares really what he thinks.

People buy what sells - sooooooo i wonder where i'm going with that one.....

[freak6]

Doesn't the entire Christian population hate gay people?


That's an oxymoron. Real Christians cannot hate another person, they are like buddhists only they think Jesus was the son of thier god. They make up about .00000001% of those that actually consider themselves Christian.

[BreesLightning]

He says a lotta weird things .... I was a reporter in El Paso when he was there, and once in a live interview from Provo after they'd won in the semis, I asked him what he hoped would happen in the finals (vs. BYU), and he said, "I want to get a ring with a diamond as big as my head."

I didn't have the heart to tell him the WAC didn't give out rings to conference tournament champs. They lost anyway. Antonio Davis anbd Greg Foster were also on that team. Those three had a LOTTA good years in the league.


I was in El Paso as well during this era and am a big Miners fan. Those were the glory days(not counting when they were Texas Western as I wasn't around then).

It's a shame to see him tarnish his reputation like this.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Good for him.
Being gay is wrong imo, and good for him to come out and voice his opinion on the matterWell, actually he didn't really mean it (see apology).

[freak6]

Good for him.

Being gay is wrong imo, and good for him to come out and voice his opinion on the matter

Yeah, because they choose to be ostrasized by society! :loopy:

[bronco militia]

That's an oxymoron. Real Christians cannot hate another person, they are like buddhists only they think Jesus was the son of thier god. They make up about .00000001% of those that actually consider themselves Christian.

you're being way too kind to crazytard.....didn't ya know that all white people hate black people?

[alkemical]

I think alot of people have a persecution complex where they WANT to be a sort of martyr - ya know - to make them feel important.

[bendog]

Sirhycennek posts:
I realize straight guys have this inordinate fear of being checked out my another dude, but its ridiculous.
__
Totally untrue. I always look to see who's got the biggest dick, and I swear most of the time its one of the black guys. I swear, it's not just some myth! I worries me.

[freak6]

didn't ya know that all white people hate black people?

Well I know I do, unless they are :gobroncos.

[bronco militia]

Sirhycennek posts:
I realize straight guys have this inordinate fear of being checked out my another dude, but its ridiculous.
__
Totally untrue. I always look to see who's got the biggest dick, and I swear most of the time its one of the black guys. I swear, it's not just some myth! I worries me.


well, ya better hope the black guy is not gay!

[bendog]

Hey, I don't hate black guys who are well endowed. I'm afraid of them a little bit, but I don't hate them.

[freak6]

I swear, it's not just some myth! I worries me.


What is it with that anyway, when I went to a camp in 6th grade we all took showers, and not that I was looking, but holy **** the one black kid made us white kids look like pre-schoolers!!! lol!

[bendog]

well, ya better hope the black guy is not gay!

Yeah, well that's why I quit the downtown Y, and joined the swimming and tennis club. We have a couple of black members, but they don't use the gym at lunch, so I don't have to worry about staring too much at the really well endowed black guys. There are a couple of white guys, one of whom I know is gay, but they're John Henry's are not so big that I really have to stare. I check em out discreetly.

[sirhcyennek81]

Sirhycennek posts:
I realize straight guys have this inordinate fear of being checked out my another dude, but its ridiculous.
__
Totally untrue. I always look to see who's got the biggest dick, and I swear most of the time its one of the black guys. I swear, it's not just some myth! I worries me.


Thats what I mean, we all look, it doesnt mean you are going to slober all over his knob. This isnt porn, be real.


:Broncos:

[bronco militia]

bendog....I think you might be gay.

[alkemical]

bendog....I think you might be gay.

lol

[bendog]

bendog....I think you might be gay.

It worries me.

[Spider]

Never heard of this Tim Hardaway until this thread .......... so I really dont care what he likes , Just another over paid ásshole

[bronco militia]

It worries me.

ha ha

[Tredici]

Where is the concern for the poor women golfers in the Club House facilities? I mean, Lesbians are out of control in that sport. Who is protecting the straight from the boobie peekers?

And for God's sake where is outcry for the straight gals in the WNBA????!!

Oh, wait a minute.......

[freak6]

The funny thing is, Tim Hardaway apologized, and said he never should have said what he did. But he didn't take it back.

[Atlas]

While that is probably true, consider that when people like Jimmy the Greek
and Rush Limbaugh made comments about black people, actually just
observations, they also got canned. They didn't even say they hated
black people, just that black people were better athletes and the
media gave them preferential treatment. So even if it's is true a large
percentage of NBA players hate gays, people are going to get called
for it when they say it in a public forum. People, or at least the media,
don't even really care about honesty, they just want something to
talk about and then pretend they are taking a high moral ground.


I agree and they shouldn't have been. What happened to the days of Archie Bunker, All in the Family, The Jeffersons?

Those were raciest characters, but they were real characters, they said what people felt and with people being honest in how they feel a real change can come about.

[Hogan11]

Where is the concern for the poor women golfers in the Club House facilities? I mean, Lesbians are out of control in that sport. Who is protecting the straight from the boobie peekers?

Because no one, not even lesbians, cares about the Saggin' Hag Tour...

And for God's sake where is outcry for the straight gals in the WNBA????!!

Oh, wait a minute.......

(Insert rimshot here) Ha!

[Atlas]

Hey, I don't hate black guys who are well endowed. I'm afraid of them a little bit, but I don't hate them.

They don't bother me as long as the don't go swinging it in my face while I'm trying to get dressed.

[bendog]

Where is the concern for the poor women golfers in the Club House facilities? I mean, Lesbians are out of control in that sport. Who is protecting the straight from the boobie peekers?

And for God's sake where is outcry for the straight gals in the WNBA????!!

Oh, wait a minute.......

I worry that I think about african american's with large John Henry's too much. A guy can't think too much about lesbian porn. I'm thinking right now of Pat Hurst catching Nikki Garrett alone in the shower ....

[Rascal]

[QUOTE=angryllama;1482357]At first, Hardaway simply said that he doesnt agree with homosexual behavior and that he thinks its wrong, then he said that he doesnt think that it's a good idea to have gay men in the locker room with strait men. On the latter point, I would have to say that he has a legit concern. Why should it be okay for a sexually interested person to enter a locker room where men are bearing themselves in the open. A man's nudity is his own, and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.QUOTE]


This entire paragraph is bull****. If anything, the gay guy would feel more akward then any straight guy in being naked in a room full of men. I realize straight guys have this inordinate fear of being checked out my another dude, but its ridiculous. If a gay guy is playing a team sport, he is there for the sport, and not the guys he is playing with. We constantly hear how on sports teams, the coach assumes a "father" role, teammates become brothers, its not any different for the gay guy. You get close to your teammates, any sexual thought leaves your head. It would be like thinking about an actual blood sibling in a sexual way and thats gross. Also, if a man chooses to go bareassed in a room full of other men, his nudity is no longer his own, because everyone can see it.


:Broncos:

That's not what Jack did on Will and Grace. Not that I know, cause I didn't watch that show. I just heard about it.

[sirhcyennek81]

[QUOTE=sirhcyennek81;1482593]

That's not what Jack did on Will and Grace. Not that I know, cause I didn't watch that show. I just heard about it.


Yup, every fag is like Jack. Stupid ass stereotypes.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

I dont hate gays , I dont like them , but if they want ot get married , let em , have all the same rights as everyone else .......... Just not in my house

[bendog]

I want to thank you guys. It's really cold here today, and while I was going to the gym, thinking about going out in the wind in my sweaty tee shirt and freezing my nipples off had me thinking about showering there. But now I'm just skipping the workout.

[-Slap-]

Tim Hardaway can say what he likes, thats his opinion, everyone is entitled. But I promise you fate will hand tim something interesting, like a gay son or daughter. Thats how it works. Racists get a son in law in the color they hate, Jihadis get a Christian daughter in law.


:Broncos:

The Phyliss Schlafly Solution. Always good for a laugh, except for the kid, of course.

[NaptownChief]

Lost in the shuffle of all this Amaechi talk is his career management blunder....It has been a while so I don't remember the specifics but he had a decent year or two and was available for free agency. I believe it was the Lakers that offered him a huge long term deal, something in the 5 year, $40 million type of silly money. His agent talked him into taking a 1 year mid-level exception type of deal with a wink and a nod that they will get him even better money the following season. He had a crappy year and never saw anything of the sorts.

[alkemical]

The Phyliss Schlafly Solution. Always good for a laugh, except for the kid, of course.



Well the joke is funny to everyone, but the joke.

[BroncoFiend]

Why is he a moron? I'll bet 40% of the NBA feels exactly the way he does. At least he has the balls to be honest about it. When people start being honest that's when a dialogue can take place.

If he had the 'balls' to just be honest he wouldn't have apologized later. Given, it was a transparent joke of an apology, but he still apologized.

The guy was taken off guard, and let his bigotry show. Spreading hate is wrong, no matter how you slice it.

[bendog]

I played fetch with my dog, and checked on my daughter's recovering cat (pancreitas at $384 and change) and couldn't shake the image of those black guys with things looking like big old bull snakes hanging down.

[Rascal]

Bendog is gay.

[Bronco Bob]

Bendog is gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :flower:

[Rascal]

[QUOTE=Rascal;1482796]


Yup, every fag is like Jack. Stupid ass stereotypes.


:Broncos:

Sarcasm.

[sirhcyennek81]

[QUOTE=sirhcyennek81;1482800]

Sarcasm.



yup.


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

It still slips my understanding that anyone would feel that it's okay for them to trample over another's sensibilities. Especially with something as intimate as their sexual awareness. Just as it would be inappropriate to share a shower with a married female teammate, it is inappropriate to share a shower and locker room with a gay teammate. It's common sense, really.

Saying that you dont belong in a locker room with people of the opposite sexual persuasion doesnt mean that they "hate" you. It just means that they want to protect themselves. Gay people do not have the right to invade that space just because they dont want to feel different. The plain truth is that they are different. That's what they seem to want us to acknowledge, both ethically and scientifically. If you are different, then let everyone acknowledge that. You can wait until the straight guys are done with the showers. If you are secure about your sexuality, you can take the jokes just like everyone else does.

[MadCity]

It still slips my understanding that anyone would feel that it's okay for them to trample over another's sensibilities. Especially with something as intimate as their sexual awareness. Just as it would be inappropriate to share a shower with a married female teammate, it is inappropriate to share a shower and locker room with a gay teammate. It's common sense, really.

Saying that you dont belong in a locker room with people of the opposite sexual persuasion doesnt mean that they "hate" you. It just means that they want to protect themselves. Gay people do not have the right to invade that space just because they dont want to feel different. The plain truth is that they are different. That's what they seem to want us to acknowledge, both ethically and scientifically. If you are different, then let everyone acknowledge that. You can wait until the straight guys are done with the showers. If you are secure about your sexuality, you can take the jokes just like everyone else does.

And then next, they can have their own drinking fountains, right?

[epicSocialism4tw]

And then next, they can have their own drinking fountains, right?

Oh please, spare the dramatics.

[Requiem]

Tim Hardaway is a gay moron.

[gunns]

I just listened to the interview, and I noticed a couple of things...

I dont think that Hardaway agreed to talk about the issue. LeBatard threw the question in at the very end of the interview. Hardaway sounded upset about him asking the question.

After Hardaway explains his views on homosexuality, LeBatard calls him a homophobe in an angry tone, and Hardaway spouts off the "I hate gay people" stuff.

At first, Hardaway simply said that he doesnt agree with homosexual behavior and that he thinks its wrong, then he said that he doesnt think that it's a good idea to have gay men in the locker room with strait men. On the latter point, I would have to say that he has a legit concern. Why should it be okay for a sexually interested person to enter a locker room where men are bearing themselves in the open. A man's nudity is his own, and in a locker room he chooses to display it in full knowledge that it is not being used as a sexual stimulant for another person in there.

Yeah, gay people have rights too, but lets not let those rights impede on a person's own rights to the sanctity and privacy of their own body.

OMG! All those lesbian girls in high school gym that were just craving my bod.

A person doesn't have to be naked to be lusted after and we work with people of a sex we would consider having sex with every day or we are around them in one way or another. Unless, as human beings (and gays are human beings) we've all turned into animals that force our urges on others, I don't think it's a problem. Geeeeez.

[bendog]

Llama, we've been showering with them since Jr High, and I don't know about you, but so far nobody's offered to lather up by fanny or soap up my John Henry for me.

btw, I googled lpga and found this pic.
Who is she?

http://golf.tom.com/html/golfpic/funnygolf/519.html

[Requiem]

Why the **** do people always bring sex into the whole homosexual argument? That's not what it's all about. I wouldn't give a **** if a homosexual was a team I was on and we had to shower together. Big whoop, I'm 100% positive he wouldn't try to pull something on me. Some of you people are just. . . wow.

[BroncoBuff]

I was in El Paso as well during this era and am a big Miners fan. Those were the glory days(not counting when they were Texas Western as I wasn't around then).

It's a shame to see him tarnish his reputation like this.

Well, anybody who thinks that a WAC basketball tournament gives out rings with diamonds "as big as my head" is of questionable mental acuity as it is, much less "reputation."



Maverick 7, shakenbake and a few others here are from El Paso too ... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1391845&highlight=musburger+christmas#post1391845

[sirhcyennek81]

Oh please, spare the dramatics.



Its not dramatic. Believe it or not, just because you have a gay dude in your locker room, does not mean he will become a super rapist and attack you in the shower. You honestly think on a team of 53 football players, to fear one guy who is gay is not extreme or perhaps...dramatic?


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Llama, we've been showering with them since Jr High, and I don't know about you, but so far nobody's offered to lather up by fanny or soap up my John Henry for me.


Just as a person wouldnt expose themself to a woman that they werent interested in (some of us wouldnt expose ourselves to any woman that we werent married to), they wouldnt want to expose themself to anyone that would potentially be interested in them. That's part of the reason why there is a level of comfort and trust in the locker room that is disrupted by the inclusion of gay interests. Whether or not the gay person implicitly expresses those interests is irrelevant.

[freak6]

Just as it would be inappropriate to share a shower with a married female teammate, it is inappropriate to share a shower and locker room with a gay teammate. It's common sense, really.



You make me sick. So at my gym, we should have a fag shower room, and a straight shower room.

But what should we expect from Captain Hypocrite himself. And you call yourself a Christian, Jesus would rebuke you for being such a prick.

You are a pathetic little cowardly fairweather bandwagon jumping moron.

[Spider]

Its not dramatic. Believe it or not, just because you have a gay dude in your locker room, does not mean he will become a super rapist and attack you in the shower. You honestly think on a team of 53 football players, to fear one guy who is gay is not extreme or perhaps...dramatic?


:Broncos:

more mental then anything else .......... I would feel uneasy knowing that there could be someone of the Same sex naked , wanting to knock boots in the same shower.......I know it isnt the enlightened position to take , but thats how I feel ......

[bronco militia]

Why the **** do people always bring sex into the whole homosexual argument? That's not what it's all about. I wouldn't give a **** if a homosexual was a team I was on and we had to shower together. Big whoop, I'm 100% positive he wouldn't try to pull something on me. Some of you people are just. . . wow.


I'm 100% positive that that's not the case for us hetero's

why is it that men and women don't shower together?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its not dramatic. Believe it or not, just because you have a gay dude in your locker room, does not mean he will become a super rapist and attack you in the shower. You honestly think on a team of 53 football players, to fear one guy who is gay is not extreme or perhaps...dramatic?


See, here's where our fundamental difference lies. You do not respect my right to my own privacy. I am not expecting a homosexual rape. I am interested in keeping my privacy to myself. I do not feel that my sexual privacy is at risk amongst heterosexual males. There is a risk to that privacy with a gay male.

No biggie. You do your thing, and I'll do mine, and I'll high five you at a Broncos game.

[Requiem]

why is it that men and women don't shower together?

Probably the whole sex thing. Just because a player is a gay male and plays a sport, doesn't mean in the shower they have sexual desires, but for most straight people, I'm guessing, they'd have a hard time containing themselves.

[sirhcyennek81]

See, here's where our fundamental difference lies. You do not respect my right to my own privacy. I am not expecting a homosexual rape. I am interested in keeping my privacy to myself. I do not feel that my sexual privacy is at risk amongst heterosexual males. There is a risk to that privacy with a gay male.

No biggie. You do your thing, and I'll do mine, and I'll high five you at a Broncos game.


You are naked in public and expect a right to privacy?


:Broncos:

[bronco militia]

Probably the whole sex thing. Just because a player is a gay male and plays a sport, doesn't mean in the shower they have sexual desires, but for most straight people, I'm guessing, they'd have a hard time containing themselves.

lol...so I guess gay people have some kind of special mind control

[Arkansas Bronco]

Probably the whole sex thing. Just because a player is a gay male and plays a sport, doesn't mean in the shower they have sexual desires, but for most straight people, I'm guessing, they'd have a hard time containing themselves.

Personally I am pretty sure I that I wouldnt be abe kind my mind on the right track if I was showering with say the Cowboy cheerleaders.

[sirhcyennek81]

See, here's where our fundamental difference lies. You do not respect my right to my own privacy. I am not expecting a homosexual rape. I am interested in keeping my privacy to myself. I do not feel that my sexual privacy is at risk amongst heterosexual males. There is a risk to that privacy with a gay male.

No biggie. You do your thing, and I'll do mine, and I'll high five you at a Broncos game.



I also dont think you are understanding what I am saying, the gay guy is not there to cruise or pick up guys, especially in organized sports, hes there for the sport. The concept of sexual privacy when you voluntarily strip down and walk around nude seems like an odd hypocrisy.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

I also dont think you are understanding what I am saying, the gay guy is not there to cruise or pick up guys, especially in organized sports, hes there for the sport. The concept of sexual privacy when you voluntarily strip down and walk around nude seems like an odd hypocrisy.


:Broncos:

you cant speak for every homosexual no more then I can speak for every Hetro ..........The Gay guy could very well be there to get a thrill ........

[epicSocialism4tw]

You are naked in public and expect a right to privacy?


I expect that the people I shower with do not have any sexual interest in me whatsoever. It makes very little sense to expect that a gay person who admittedly is sexually interested in people of the same sex would have no interest whatsoever in harboring interest or lust for other men in that locker room.

To say that every gay man shares the same sexual indifference that you claim to have in those situations is presumptuous.

[freak6]

Personally I am pretty sure I that I wouldnt be abe kind my mind on the right track if I was showering with say the Cowboy cheerleaders.

You couldn't even keep your mind on the right track typing that because you were thinking about it!!!

lmfao!!!

Classic post man.

[sirhcyennek81]

I expect that the people I shower with do not have any sexual interest in me whatsoever. It makes very little sense to expect that a gay person who admittedly is sexually interested in people of the same sex would have no interest whatsoever in harboring interest or lust for other men in that locker room.

To say that every gay man shares the same sexual indifference that you claim to have in those situations is presumptuous.


You claiming a gay man would be sexually interested in you is equally presumptuous. Also, how do you know who is gay and who isnt? If I never said a word about it, no one would know.

:Broncos:

[freak6]

To say that every gay man shares the same sexual indifference that you claim to have in those situations is presumptuous.

Well I guess we should have women covered from head to toe to keep all of us men from lusting over them in thier tank tops. As if we men don't admire and think about what'd it be like to do just about every hot woman we see.

[bendog]

Trust me on this one llama. No gay guy seeing you naked will have any interest.

[sirhcyennek81]

you cant speak for every homosexual no more then I can speak for every Hetro ..........The Gay guy could very well be there to get a thrill ........



True.



:Broncos:

[sixtimeseight]

You make me sick. So at my gym, we should have a fag shower room, and a straight shower room.

But what should we expect from Captain Hypocrite himself. And you call yourself a Christian, Jesus would rebuke you for being such a prick.

You are a pathetic little cowardly fairweather bandwagon jumping moron.

Couldn't have said it better myself. O/U on llama's height? I say 5'2"

[sirhcyennek81]

I played sports, soccer, football, wrestling, it was never about sex for me. I might be damaged that way, I can compartmentalize what is sexual for me and what isnt.


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

You claiming a gay man would be sexually interested in you is equally presumptuous. Also, how do you know who is gay and who isnt? If I never said a word about it, no one would know.


Unfortunately, I know first hand that several gay men are or have been interested. A few of them felt comfortable enough as friends to tell me that I have a "nice butt", whatever that means. If they ogle at my butt when it's covered, I dont see how they wouldnt ogle at it when it is not.

Just as women choose what they want to wear to reveal themselves to specific people at specific times, men have the right to expose themselves to who they feel comfortable with. If they do not trust gay men with their private nudity, they shouldnt be forced to endure that situation. Just as a woman is perturbed by sexual harrassment via inappropriate exposure shouldnt have to feel oppressed by that harrassment.

About not knowing...it is your resposibility to be accountable to the people around you. If you are harboring such information and putting other people in a situation that they are not comfortable with, that is something that rests on your conscious alone.

[sirhcyennek81]

Unfortunately, I know first hand that several gay men are or have been interested. A few of them felt comfortable enough as friends to tell me that I have a "nice butt", whatever that means. If they ogle at my butt when it's covered, I dont see how they wouldnt ogle at it when it is not.

Just as women choose what they want to wear to reveal themselves to specific people at specific times, men have the right to expose themselves to who they feel comfortable with. If they do not trust gay men with their private nudity, they shouldnt be forced to endure that situation. Just as a woman is perturbed by sexual harrassment via inappropriate exposure shouldnt have to feel oppressed by that harrassment.

About not knowing...it is your resposibility to be accountable to the people around you. If you are harboring such information and putting other people in a situation that they are not comfortable with, that is something that rests on your conscious alone.


So...a gay guy should be forced out of sports, working out, ect because it MAY make a straight guy uncomfortable to hear he has a nice butt? Your comparison to women wearing revealing clothing is not valid, you voluntarily agree to go to a gym, work out, strip down and shower, no one is making you get naked in front of other men. You seem to be putting forth the theory that gay men cannot control themselves in a mixed setting. Do you have any idea how insulting that is?


:Broncos:

[Requiem]

Trust me on this one llama. No gay guy seeing you naked will have any interest.

Or woman. :rofl:

[footstepsfrom#27]

The new buzz word for the post sexual revolution is "tolerance". Unfortunately, that concept is generally applied only when it's expected that somebody offer blanket acceptance to the so called new morality. True tolerance offers everyone the right to view these issues as they see fit...the proverbial freedom paradigm...your freedom ends where my nose begins.

In other words, who has the right to tell somebody else how they should personally feel about this issue? I thought the whole point to "tolerance" was...well, tolerance.

Odd that this most basic of concepts seems to get lost in this debate.

[epicSocialism4tw]

So...a gay guy should be forced out of sports, working out, ect because it MAY make a straight guy uncomfortable to hear he has a nice butt? Your comparison to women wearing revealing clothing is not valid, you voluntarily agree to go to a gym, work out, strip down and shower, no one is making you get naked in front of other men. You seem to be putting forth the theory that gay men cannot control themselves in a mixed setting. Do you have any idea how insulting that is?


Some people feel that it is inappropriate to be alone with a married woman. Showering with a gay man is much more extreme than that.

I have several friends that I wouldnt trust alone with my daughter. People have varying degrees of libido and control. It is in everyone's interest to protect against all extremes and build standards from there.

This is a situation where we should take everyone's interest into account. That includes guys from Amaechi to Tim Hardaway.

[El Guapo]

I'll backup hardaway with whatever he has to say... GO UTEP! :)

[sirhcyennek81]

Some people feel that it is inappropriate to be alone with a married woman. Showering with a gay man is much more extreme than that.

I have several friends that I wouldnt trust alone with my daughter. People have varying degrees of libido and control. It is in everyone's interest to protect against all extremes and build standards from there.

This is a situation where we should take everyone's interest into account. That includes guys from Amaechi to Tim Hardaway.


I find your argument fascinating. You dont want gay guys looking at you, yet you want to know who the gay guy is who could potentially be showering with you.


:Broncos:

[bendog]

I forgot who it was, but there was this CandW guy who had a comedy speil of somehow coming out of a shower and there was kd lang. "here I am with a naked ass, and there's the woman on earth with the least desire to see it."

[epicSocialism4tw]

The new buzz word for the post sexual revolution is "tolerance". Unfortunately, that concept is generally applied only when it's expected that somebody offer blanket acceptance to the so called new morality. True tolerance offers everyone the right to view these issues as they see fit...the proverbial freedom paradigm...your freedom ends where my nose begins.

In other words, who has the right to tell somebody else how they should personally feel about this issue? I thought the whole point to "tolerance" was...well, tolerance.

Odd that this most basic of concepts seems to get lost in this debate.

That's because it's not a debate.

It's a forceful new-morality charge led by secular progressive interests. There is no debate. It's a situation where you have to accept the blanket buzz-word statement without regard to any problems associated with it, or you risk being publicly railroaded.

The thought police are out in full force ready to mentally night stick any protester who doesnt get off of the road.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I find your argument fascinating. You dont want gay guys looking at you, yet you want to know who the gay guy is who could potentially be showering with you.



I want to know so that I can protect myself from situations that I do not feel are appropriate.

You can shower with Bendog, and I'll work on my jumpshot on the court 'til you guys are finished.

[sirhcyennek81]

I want to know so that I can protect myself from situations that I do not feel are appropriate.

You can shower with Bendog, and I'll work on my jumpshot on the court 'til you guys are finished.



prefer working on my jump shot. Dont mean to freak out about this, but your argument is fascinating to me. Its cool you feel the way you do, just wierd to hear your line of thinking.


:Broncos:

[gunns]

It still slips my understanding that anyone would feel that it's okay for them to trample over another's sensibilities. Especially with something as intimate as their sexual awareness. Just as it would be inappropriate to share a shower with a married female teammate, it is inappropriate to share a shower and locker room with a gay teammate. It's common sense, really.

Saying that you dont belong in a locker room with people of the opposite sexual persuasion doesnt mean that they "hate" you. It just means that they want to protect themselves. Gay people do not have the right to invade that space just because they dont want to feel different. The plain truth is that they are different. That's what they seem to want us to acknowledge, both ethically and scientifically. If you are different, then let everyone acknowledge that. You can wait until the straight guys are done with the showers. If you are secure about your sexuality, you can take the jokes just like everyone else does.

You know what Angry, we're different to them also. We're all different in one way or another, but we're all God's children.

As far as being in the showers, most are trying to keep a secret, most are aware of who's gay and who's not, most aren't interested in the least, most are aware of what a straight persons reaction would be if they even approached them with the idea. Don't worry Angry, there is no threat to your sexuality, showering with a gay person, unless that gay person is a pervert and hetereosexual's have perverts too. And if you've ever been to a public gym you probably have showered around a gay person.

[bronco militia]

I want to know so that I can protect myself from situations that I do not feel are appropriate.

You can shower with Bendog, and I'll work on my jumpshot on the court 'til you guys are finished.

bwahha

[bendog]

llama, showering with gay guys is not something new brought to you by some secular humanist liberal democrats. LOL

now the notion that we don't fire guys for being gay, or tell them that they're sick or something, that's maybe new. I sort of figured it out in the 70s, but then I still used terms like "that's so gay" until Mathew Shepherd and becoming a father, and realizing I might have a gay kid someday. I'm now impotent and sterile, but ten years ago if I'd had a gay kid it'd have been ok. (at least we'd have matching tableclothes and napkins) (-:

[epicSocialism4tw]

prefer working on my jump shot. Dont mean to freak out about this, but your argument is fascinating to me. Its cool you feel the way you do, just wierd to hear your line of thinking.


I am conservative when it comes to traditional male-female sociosexual issues as well.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You know what Angry, we're different to them also. We're all different in one way or another, but we're all God's children.



That I totally agree with. I would never tell a gay person that God hates them because we know that that's not true.

[TDmvp]

ill prob get flamed for how i feel on this but who cares ...
Im not anti anyone ... to each his own ... but i hate people who ACT gay ...
the high piched voice the over acting its like look at me im gay ... then i see gay people how act like people , normal people ... proving the ones who ACT gay are just that acting ... yes the are gay ... but act really gay ... Ant gay and ACTS gay .... Neil Patrick Harris gay and acts human...
i mean what gives... so if all of a sudden i was gay my voice which is low world raise 4 steps and id talk with my hands alot and way over act everything ??? id think if i turned gay id like guys and everything else would be the same ...

to me it seems more like gay people act that way to make sure you know they are gay ... and if thats the case thats lame and uncalled for ...

[sirhcyennek81]

ill prob get flamed for how i feel on this but who cares ...
Im not anti anyone ... to each his own ... but i hate people who ACT gay ...
the high piched voice the over acting its like look at me im gay ... then i see gay people how act like people , normal people ... proving the ones who ACT gay are just that acting ... yes the are gay ... but act really gay ... Ant gay and ACTS gay .... Neil Patrick Harris gay and acts human...
i mean what gives... so if all of a sudden i was gay my voice which is low world raise 4 steps and id talk with my hands alot and way over act everything ??? id think if i turned gay id like guys and everything else would be the same ...

to me it seems more like gay people act that way to make sure you know they are gay ... and if thats the case thats lame and uncalled for ...


My friends love the fact I dont lisp, say girlfriend, have limp wrists or wear belly shirts. I'd shoot myself if I did that. I hate queens, simply because that is a learned affectation. Gay does not automatically mean a man must act like a woman, because they are not. If I was attracted to female aspects...I'd date women.



:Broncos:

[bendog]

The dead give away is when a guy's thin, has all his hair, which is well styled, really clean skin, and he wears nice clothes that are well taken care of, especially the shoes. Leather Italian Loafers.

[sirhcyennek81]

The dead give away is when a guy's thin, has all his hair, which is well styled, really clean skin, and he wears nice clothes that are well taken care of, especially the shoes. Leather Italian Loafers.



Or...you could ask the target of your inquiry. I dont necesarily believe in gaydar, either.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

The dead give away is when a guy's thin, has all his hair, which is well styled, really clean skin, and he wears nice clothes that are well taken care of, especially the shoes. Leather Italian Loafers.

Mario Lopez .......... ;D

[Tredici]

That's because it's not a debate.

It's a forceful new-morality charge led by secular progressive interests. There is no debate. It's a situation where you have to accept the blanket buzz-word statement without regard to any problems associated with it, or you risk being publicly railroaded.

The thought police are out in full force ready to mentally night stick any protester who doesnt get off of the road.

I seem to detect a slight irony in this post....

[Spider]

Or...you could ask the target of your inquiry. I dont necesarily believe in gaydar, either.


:Broncos:
I dont mean to put anyone down , but surely you can understand alot of the feelings being expressed here , outside of the extreme ........ If I met you I wouldnt treat you any different then I would anyone else , but if we were at a gym , I would wait to shower until after you was done ............

[bronco militia]

I dont mean to put anyone down , but surely you can understand alot of the feelings being expressed here , outside of the extreme ........ If I met you I wouldnt treat you any different then I would anyone else , but if we were at a gym , I would wait to shower until after you was done ............


what a prude!

:~ohyah!:

[epicSocialism4tw]

I seem to detect a slight irony in this post....

LOL

You might want to close the bathroom door.

[Spider]

what a prude!

:~ohyah!:

LOL .......... well I bet he would be more offended if I went in with a chastity belt on ;D

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont mean to put anyone down , but surely you can understand alot of the feelings being expressed here , outside of the extreme ........ If I met you I wouldnt treat you any different then I would anyone else , but if we were at a gym , I would wait to shower until after you was done ............



Yeah, I would feel wierd knowing you are checking me out. ;) I understand the sentiment, it makes straight men uncomfortable knowing they are being viewed as sexual objects, but if we are playing football, or basketball, or hockey, I am not thinking about liking men, I am thinking about the task at hand.


:Broncos:

[bronco militia]

LOL .......... well I bet he would be more offended if I went in with a chastity belt on ;D

bwahaha

[sirhcyennek81]

LOL .......... well I bet he would be more offended if I went in with a chastity belt on ;D



Only if you put it on when I walked in. And that would probably not be the most comfortable device for you.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

Yeah, I would feel wierd knowing you are checking me out. ;) I understand the sentiment, it makes straight men uncomfortable knowing they are being viewed as sexual objects, but if we are playing football, or basketball, or hockey, I am not thinking about liking men, I am thinking about the task at hand.


:Broncos:

Specially us rednecks ............ I played 1 game of basketball my entire life , Jail house basketball , pretty well cured me of playing that game again ;D

[Spider]

Only if you put it on when I walked in. And that would probably not be the most comfortable device for you.


:Broncos:
LOL probably not ............

[sirhcyennek81]

Specially us rednecks ............ I played 1 game of basketball my entire life , Jail house basketball , pretty well cured me of playing that game again ;D


I played soccer when I was younger, messed up my ankles so when I play hockey I feel its good if I can stop before I hit the fence.


:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's because it's not a debate.

It's a forceful new-morality charge led by secular progressive interests. There is no debate. It's a situation where you have to accept the blanket buzz-word statement without regard to any problems associated with it, or you risk being publicly railroaded.

The thought police are out in full force ready to mentally night stick any protester who doesnt get off of the road.In your case, the "forceful new-morality charge" led by Gays who are "are out in full force ready to physically night stick" you and your "nice butt whatever that means" in the shower.

[bendog]

Or...you could ask the target of your inquiry. I dont necesarily believe in gaydar, either.


:Broncos:

It was a joke. It's understandable that you're irony meter is at max, and my joke was probably really obtuse. The last guy I lifted with on a regular basis was extremely out. Not effite, but just in incredible shape, and dressed really, really good. He had an internship down here for a year, and then went back to Manhatten where he and his partner lived.

Llama, I suppose it's possible that somewhere along the line, I showered with some gay guy who lusted after every naked body in there, but wouldn't that guy sort of figure to "stand out," like with a boner from Cuba? My experience has been that gay guys aren't really interested in having sex with me, because I'm not at all interested in having sex with them .... unless they'tr african americans who are hung like Secretariet.

[bendog]

In your case, the "forceful new-morality charge" led by Gays who are "are out in full force ready to physically night stick" you and your "nice butt whatever that means" in the shower.

The hilarity of it is that he's saying some NEw secular thought police are FORCING him to shower with gay guys, but - assuming he's played organized sports in school and goes to a gym to work out - he's been showering with gay guys for years.

[Bronx33]

Why do we care what Hardaway thinks?

[sirhcyennek81]

In your case, the "forceful new-morality charge" led by Gays who are "are out in full force ready to physically night stick" you and your "nice butt whatever that means" in the shower.



Were you in my bedroom last night?


:Broncos:

[Spider]

Damn sleepwalking ;D

[bronco militia]

bendog is not going to be happy about this

[Spider]

I know a lot of gay jokes , but this wouldnt be the thread to share them in ;D

[sirhcyennek81]

I know a lot of gay jokes , but this wouldnt be the thread to share them in ;D



It isnt?


:Broncos:

[Spider]

It isnt?


:Broncos:
not the ones I know ;D

[sirhcyennek81]

not the ones I know ;D



I hope you dont utter the words " I cant quit you" or "Brokeback Mountain" scenario. Otherwise, make me laugh, home fry.


:Broncos:

[ludo21]

Here is my 5th grade assessment of the gay issue:

God created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve

[Spider]

I hope you dont utter the words " I cant quit you" or "Brokeback Mountain" scenario. Otherwise, make me laugh, home fry.


:Broncos:

LOL I will go with some of the cleaner ones .........
a gay guy walks into a bar , Bartender knows he is gay , Says we dont serve your kind here ......... Gay guy says , better sell me a beer or you will be sorry ..... Bartender throws the gay out of the bar ..... 10 minutes later the gay guy shows up , with a big rotwieller , Gay looks down at the dog and says sick him ........ the dog jumps over the bar knocking the bar tender down , stands over the Bartender and then says bow wow........... better joke if told in person ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

Llama, I suppose it's possible that somewhere along the line, I showered with some gay guy who lusted after every naked body in there, but wouldn't that guy sort of figure to "stand out," like with a boner from Cuba? My experience has been that gay guys aren't really interested in having sex with me, because I'm not at all interested in having sex with them .... unless they'tr african americans who are hung like Secretariet.


Have at it. Like I said...I'll be out on the court working on my jumpshot waiting for you guys to finish up.

[sirhcyennek81]

Here is my 5th grade assessment of the gay issue:

God created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve



So what happens if you meet a guy named adam, then steve, are they exempt from the who created them theorem?


:Broncos:

[Spider]

An accountant goes to jail for embezzlement , they put him in a cell with a big biker dude , later on that night Biker told the accountant , were going to play house , do you want to be the man or the woman ? .... accountant say I will be the man , Biker said good get up here and blow your wife ..........

[sisterhellfyre]

more mental then anything else .......... I would feel uneasy knowing that there could be someone of the Same sex naked , wanting to knock boots in the same shower.......I know it isnt the enlightened position to take , but thats how I feel ......

So... if the core of the argument is that straight men feel threatened in the locker room because a gay teammate MIGHT take an interest, or MIGHT enjoy the view... then all I have to say is

"Welcome to the world that women live in every day, guys."

Regards,
m.

[Spider]

So... if the core of the argument is that straight men feel threatened in the locker room because a gay teammate MIGHT take an interest, or MIGHT enjoy the view... then all I have to say is

"Welcome to the world that women live in every day, guys."

Regards,
m.

:wiggle: thats different ........ Women are fun ......

[sirhcyennek81]

:wiggle: thats different ........ Women are fun ......



Guys have a handle.


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

So... if the core of the argument is that straight men feel threatened in the locker room because a gay teammate MIGHT take an interest, or MIGHT enjoy the view... then all I have to say is
"Welcome to the world that women live in every day, guys."
Regards,
m.

In what way is it ever alright that a man hold inappropriate social interaction with a woman? Point in case...I have some friends who stand around and ogle women. Not only do they ogle women, but they go out of their way to say provacative things to them. Sometimes they get reciprocated interest, and sometimes they get the finger. It is entirely inapproprate behavior because they disregard the offended persons.

[Spider]

Guys have a handle.


:Broncos:

no where near as fun

[BroncoInferno]

See, here's where our fundamental difference lies. You do not respect my right to my own privacy. I am not expecting a homosexual rape. I am interested in keeping my privacy to myself. I do not feel that my sexual privacy is at risk amongst heterosexual males. There is a risk to that privacy with a gay male.

No biggie. You do your thing, and I'll do mine, and I'll high five you at a Broncos game.

You give up your privacy by choosing to get naked in front of other individuals. Pivacy gone. If your worried about a gay dude oggling you, wait till your alone or shower when you get home.

[bendog]

So... if the core of the argument is that straight men feel threatened in the locker room because a gay teammate MIGHT take an interest, or MIGHT enjoy the view... then all I have to say is

"Welcome to the world that women live in every day, guys."

Regards,
m.


Trust me on this, no one's found me the slightest bit sexually exciting in at least ten years. I, however, find your avatar oddly exciting.

[sirhcyennek81]

no where near as fun



Depends on what you consider fun with a handle to mean.


:Broncos:

[Atlas]

I am conservative when it comes to traditional male-female sociosexual issues as well.

I'll bet you showered with a gay guy before and didn't even know it. He was probably checking out your wienee too, dreaming about taking it all in....ohhh yeah baby.....

[sisterhellfyre]

In what way is it ever alright that a man hold inappropriate social interaction with a woman? Point in case...I have some friends who stand around and ogle women. <snip> It is entirely inapproprate behavior because they disregard the offended persons.

Did I say anything giving permission or making it alright for men to act inappropriately toward women? Nope, don't think so: I noted only that it happens.

For that matter, llama, you're taking it to an extreme by citing the case of "inappropriate behavior." Believe me, the long measuring stares happen far more often than the blatant over-the-top actions like your friends.

It's a real eye-opener, and a sleazy, uneasy feeling, when you realize that the customer you're working with has just spent the entire time of the interaction talking to your chest. It's really tempting to wave and say "Hey, I'm up here, you know?"

Is that what you're afraid of, that some guy in the shower might take a long look at your groin? Or your ass?

Shoe-other-foot. That's all I'm saying, and not granting permission or making it okay in any combination of gender. Welcome to our world, llama.

Regards,
m.

[sisterhellfyre]

Trust me on this, no one's found me the slightest bit sexually exciting in at least ten years. I, however, find your avatar oddly exciting.

Thanks, bendog. I think you've mentioned that once before... :-)

Regards,
m.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Did I say anything giving permission or making it alright for men to act inappropriately toward women? Nope, don't think so: I noted only that it happens.

For that matter, llama, you're taking it to an extreme by citing the case of "inappropriate behavior." Believe me, the long measuring stares happen far more often than the blatant over-the-top actions like your friends.

It's a real eye-opener, and a sleazy, uneasy feeling, when you realize that the customer you're working with has just spent the entire time of the interaction talking to your chest. It's really tempting to wave and say "Hey, I'm up here, you know?"

Is that what you're afraid of, that some guy in the shower might take a long look at your groin? Or your ass?

Shoe-other-foot. That's all I'm saying, and not granting permission or making it okay in any combination of gender. Welcome to our world, llama.

Regards,
m.

Sure. I understand your position and I empathize with it. That was the intention of my post. Unfortunately, our modern society does not posess a sociosexual ethic that regards men and women as anything more than sexual objects. In my opinion, this has been exacerbated by the rise of porn and the laissez faire attitude toward sexual perversion in the mainstream media.

It may be uncool to put one's libido under the control of their frontal lobe, but in reality it is the only way to show respect and a modicum of decorum to our fellow citizens.

[-Slap-]

I forgot who it was, but there was this CandW guy who had a comedy speil of somehow coming out of a shower and there was kd lang. "here I am with a naked ass, and there's the woman on earth with the least desire to see it."

I'm cordial with homosexuals, but lesbians don't like me. They view me as the competition.

[-Slap-]

ill prob get flamed for how i feel on this but who cares ...
Im not anti anyone ... to each his own ... but i hate people who ACT gay ...
the high piched voice the over acting its like look at me im gay ... then i see gay people how act like people , normal people ... proving the ones who ACT gay are just that acting ... yes the are gay ... but act really gay ... Ant gay and ACTS gay .... Neil Patrick Harris gay and acts human...
i mean what gives... so if all of a sudden i was gay my voice which is low world raise 4 steps and id talk with my hands alot and way over act everything ??? id think if i turned gay id like guys and everything else would be the same ...

to me it seems more like gay people act that way to make sure you know they are gay ... and if thats the case thats lame and uncalled for ...

Do effeminate heterosexuals like Dick Vermiel bug you, too?

[sisterhellfyre]

<snip> In my opinion, this has been exacerbated by the rise of porn and the laissez faire attitude toward sexual perversion in the mainstream media.

[LOL, but not harshly]

Interesting, llama, that you credit the objectification of people, whether men or women, to porn and the "laissez faire attitude."

I'd look at it differently... that objectification of men OR women, by other men OR by other women, comes from our culture's fundamental denial that we are sexual beings. It's the repression of our sexuality that leads to its exploitation: we hunger for it, but we can't have it. Our government and our holy traditions allow sexual expression only in certain circumstances with the approved partners. That old monkey lust thing is dirty, nasty and taboo, where it's not outright illegal.

Because sex is the forbidden fruit, it's the tasty treat that everyone MUST have. We'll grab for anything that hints of it -- or better yet, promises it -- from blue jeans ads to car show models to designer fragrances to porn DVDs.

Regards,
m.

[BroncoInferno]

I'll bet you showered with a gay guy before and didn't even know it. He was probably checking out your wienee too, dreaming about taking it all in....ohhh yeah baby.....

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Garcia Bronco]

It's a trust issue.

[epicSocialism4tw]

[LOL, but not harshly]

Interesting, llama, that you credit the objectification of people, whether men or women, to porn and the "laissez faire attitude."

I'd look at it differently... that objectification of men OR women, by other men OR by other women, comes from our culture's fundamental denial that we are sexual beings. It's the repression of our sexuality that leads to its exploitation: we hunger for it, but we can't have it. Our government and our holy traditions allow sexual expression only in certain circumstances with the approved partners. That old monkey lust thing is dirty, nasty and taboo, where it's not outright illegal.

A human being should reach a state of maturity where it can weigh the pros and cons of the effect of their libido on their social environment, and it should be able to react according to the course of action that is the most beneficial for it in the long term. Rarely is allowing your libido to carry you into sexual perversions that could be detrimental to your mental, physical, and social health a beneficial course of action to allow yourself to take.


Because sex is the forbidden fruit, it's the tasty treat that everyone MUST have. We'll grab for anything that hints of it -- or better yet, promises it -- from blue jeans ads to car show models to designer fragrances to porn DVDs.

Regards,
m.

If you cannot become unshackled from your desires, it is not the fault of the other citizens around you. Becoming a slave to your sexual desires is not freedom in any way.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Rarely is allowing your libido to carry you into sexual perversions that could be detrimental to your mental, physical, and social health a beneficial course of action to allow yourself to take.
LOL
Since you consider basically just about anything a "sexual perversion" I doubt you have any idea what good sex is.

UniQ's probably fit in your world better than takataapui.

[sisterhellfyre]

<snip> Rarely is allowing your libido to carry you into sexual perversions that could be detrimental to your mental, physical, and social health a beneficial course of action to allow yourself to take. <snip> If you cannot become unshackled from your desires, it is not the fault of the other citizens around you. Becoming a slave to your sexual desires is not freedom in any way.

Thank you, Reverend Llama, for proving my point! :-)

I stated my position that many of the problems around sexuality in our society are caused by our neo-Victorian repression of the whole subject... and you dove right off the deep end into inveighing against "sexual perversions" and "slavery to your sexual desires."

Llama, I'm really not talking here about depravity; I'm not calling for orgies in the streets (mostly because orgies in bedrooms are a whole lot more fun!). What I'd like to see, instead, would be a sane, calm, rational acknowledgement that sex is natural, healthy, and fun. That includes masturbation and homosexuality, whether M->M or F->F. It's a part of our lives, just like death and taxes... and we should deal with it just as rationally, without the imposed extra burdens of guilt, taboos, ostracism and strictures.

Not too long back I read a book with a character who proposed that sex is an act of worship, and blessed in itself when it's done for joy, love and pleasure as a celebration of life. The proposing character pointed out that God gave us eyes to see the beauty all around us, hands to make things to add to that beauty, and voices to sing hymns of worship. I'm sure you can see where the argument goes from there. ;-)

Regards,
m.

[Kaylore]

Frankly if I gave into every urge that I had, I'd poop on the floor, hump every hot girl that walked by and probably have killed or attempted to kill about sixteen people by now. Learning to rise above primal urges is what makes us human beings.

[sisterhellfyre]

Learning to rise above primal urges is what makes us human beings.

Sure it is, Kaylore. (And thanks for replying to my earlier post too, btw!) But is it really necessary, along the way, to label those primal urges as evil, dirty, nasty, etc?

Why not just acknowledge them as part of who we are, much like having blonde eyes or blue hair, and get on with the more important parts of life?

Regards,
m.

[Kaylore]

Sure it is, Kaylore. (And thanks for replying to my earlier post too, btw!) But is it really necessary, along the way, to label those primal urges as evil, dirty, nasty, etc?

Why not just acknowledge them as part of who we are, much like having blonde eyes or blue hair, and get on with the more important parts of life?

Regards,
m.

Oh I totally agree with you. There is no harm in being tempted to do all these things. Everyone feels urges to do a myriad of things. These urges aren't evil or good by themselves; they're just impulses. The harm is when we don't exercise our frontal lobe when deciding when to act on them. Self-restraint is (ironically) what makes people free to live their lives.

[gunns]

Sure. I understand your position and I empathize with it. That was the intention of my post. Unfortunately, our modern society does not posess a sociosexual ethic that regards men and women as anything more than sexual objects. In my opinion, this has been exacerbated by the rise of porn and the laissez faire attitude toward sexual perversion in the mainstream media.

It may be uncool to put one's libido under the control of their frontal lobe, but in reality it is the only way to show respect and a modicum of decorum to our fellow citizens.

I think most of us do, gays and straights. We may admire the person but it doesn't mean we do anything inappropriate. If a gay person looks at you in that way that's his faulty behavior, in much the same way of heterosexual males towards women as Sister said, and we can't always control others behavior. Each sexual preference has them. There really is no difference. You have showered with gays before I'm sure and it didn't bother you until you thought about it. The problem for you is in your own head, not in the shower.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh I totally agree with you. There is no harm in being tempted to do all these things. Everyone feels urges to do a myriad of things. These urges aren't evil or good by themselves; they're just impulses. The harm is when we don't exercise our frontal lobe when deciding when to act on them. Self-restraint is (ironically) what makes people free to live their lives.

Good point.

Sisterhellfyre referred to me as "reverend" earlier in the thread (which I am certainly not) because I subscribe to a philosophy where the rational mind dominates the emotive mind. Where the cerebral cortex filters and organizes what the limbic system gives it. Where Freud would say that the superego checks the ego. I'm not big on Freud, but I am big on naturalistic neurophys.

I think that it's necessary to recognize the legitimacy of rational decision-making outside of the realm of reverends and heathens, and to recognize it for what it is. Even a naturalist must see the value in appropriating behavior to move away from hedonism because of the negative returns that it brings into the life of the person that enslaves themselves to their own desires.

Some may wish for anarchy for some twisted reason, but I dont. Civilization is the life for me. Give me trust, love, and hope in a civilized world.

[Hogan11]

The only thing about homosexuals I never really understood is this need to announce their preference. Just like with the overly zealous of religious sects, it always seems to work it's way into the conversation somehow....the old "Well I'm gay"/"Well I'm born again"/"Well I'm Jewish"/ "Well I'm Catholic" etc. etc. etc. My usual response to any of this when it happens to me is "Well I really don't care"...because I don't.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Thank you, Reverend Llama, for proving my point! :-)
I stated my position that many of the problems around sexuality in our society are caused by our neo-Victorian repression of the whole subject... and you dove right off the deep end into inveighing against "sexual perversions" and "slavery to your sexual desires."
Llama, I'm really not talking here about depravity; I'm not calling for orgies in the streets (mostly because orgies in bedrooms are a whole lot more fun!). What I'd like to see, instead, would be a sane, calm, rational acknowledgement that sex is natural, healthy, and fun. That includes masturbation and homosexuality, whether M->M or F->F. It's a part of our lives, just like death and taxes... and we should deal with it just as rationally, without the imposed extra burdens of guilt, taboos, ostracism and strictures.
Not too long back I read a book with a character who proposed that sex is an act of worship, and blessed in itself when it's done for joy, love and pleasure as a celebration of life. The proposing character pointed out that God gave us eyes to see the beauty all around us, hands to make things to add to that beauty, and voices to sing hymns of worship. I'm sure you can see where the argument goes from there. ;-)
Regards,
m.

The issue with sex is not as complicated as we make it out to be. The joy in sex is not in the quantity, but in the quality. Sex used as a toy (something to be done for fun) to share with whoever or whatever comes along fitting the moment cheapens it into an act nearly as mundane and unsignificant as talking about the weather. Casual sex is just that: casual. It is not a celebratory event.

As a sort of a deistic naturalist, I look at sex as the fruit and culmination of pure innocence and love. It is best served from innocent hearts willing to come together in a conflagration of their commitment to one another.

[Mtbrncofn]

This thread is good for some laughs!

[BroncoInferno]

The issue with sex is not as complicated as we make it out to be. The joy in sex is not in the quantity, but in the quality. Sex used as a toy (something to be done for fun) to share with whoever or whatever comes along fitting the moment cheapens it into an act nearly as mundane and unsignificant as talking about the weather. Casual sex is just that: casual. It is not a celebratory event.

Have you ever had sex? If not, how do you suppose to know what "casual" sex or sex period entails physically or emotionally? If you have had sex, REPENT, SINNA!

[69bronco]

i hate gays too. my .02 cents. :wave:

[BroncoInferno]

This thread is good for some laughs!

No doubt. Llama is throwing some soft ones over the plate (get it...soft ones Ha!)

[Mtbrncofn]

And the hits keep comin'.....

Actually, my stomach hurts from laughing so hard after reading Bendog's posts.

[TDmvp]

nah Slap Vermiel dont bug me ... he is jusst a big soft hearted guy that gets worked up really easy and crys if he's happy or sad either way...

as far as the science of sex ... not to quote a lame a$$ 80s pop song ... but there is a reason one sex organ is shaped like a lock .. and one a key ... as far as for what sex much actually ment for ...

and i dont care about the religion part of this whole topic at all cuz im not sure if im religious ... i think all religions are if not totally at least partly wrong ... if there is a god and i hope and think that maybe there is something out there that loves us all = and cares nothing of are weakness and faults ... but i think people have basically F'ed up a really good thing when it comes to kill someone else or hating someone else cuz they choose to pray to a different invisable man then you do ... so that dont come into play on my ideas on the gay thing ...

that being said ...
science noted ...
religion noted ...


i'v just never been into it ...
and gay is gay ...
like 90% of guys "straight" i know if you mention 2 chicks going at it they are like ooo yea thats hot ... and i just dont get it ... and was never turned on by it .. "maybe i just dont like seeing someone getting something im not" :O) ... or i hear stuff about guys trien to get their wives / girlfriends to do a 3 some with another girl or stuff like I LOVE to catch my wife with another chick blah blah blah and i was always like HOLD UP HOLD UP ...

ok guy think thats hot
question ... females ...
would you find it hot if you walked in on your hubby/boyfriend with his best friend Steve "or whatever" in the kitchen just a going at it ... i think not ... she would leave you and take half lol ...
and i being male just never was into seeing 2 chicks ... period


but as far as the love part . i guss you can love anyone . if it turns sexual to each his own .and i don't think its my right to tell anyone who they should love or can love ...

[Tredici]

The whole stange concept here isn't gay or straight. It's locker rooms. Big community showers. As up tight as everyone is regarding their kids and what is proper schooling, and what is politically correct is speech, action, and deed the totally weird thing is a big room with people you only know in a certain context running around nekid.

I think I'll apply for a Government Grant to study the detrimental possibilities of this practice. I mean there has to be some sort of residual disorders resulting from having to go from group nudity to history class.

Then throw in the diverse sexuality or possible perversion tendencies, and by golly, I think that is going to have to be an extremely generous grant.

[Kaylore]

And the hits keep comin'.....

Actually, my stomach hurts from laughing so hard after reading Bendog's posts.

My favorite is the visual I got from -Slap-'s post of ill-will on page one. I laughed pretty hard about that one for a good minute or so.

[Mtbrncofn]

The whole stange concept here isn't gay or straight. It's locker rooms. Big community showers. As up tight as everyone is regarding their kids and what is proper schooling, and what is politically correct is speech, action, and deed the totally weird thing is a big room with people you only know in a certain context running around nekid.

I think I'll apply for a Government Grant to study the detrimental possibilities of this practice. I mean there has to be some sort of residual disorders resulting from having to go from group nudity to history class.

Oh there is no doubt. I don't care what your orientation is, it is damn traumatic to be in a lockerroom with a bunch of teenage girls and every is just waiting to get out so they can go start yakking about so and so's whatever.

Good Lord, it makes my stomach hurt to think about it. I think the solution to all of this is to eliminate any kind of group showering. :) I certainly wouldn't be caught dead doing it....ever.

[Mtbrncofn]

My favorite is the visual I got from -Slap-'s post of ill-will on page one. I laughed pretty hard about that one for a good minute or so.

The fat gay person falling on LeBatard? That one kicked the whole thing off pretty well.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Then throw in the diverse sexuality or possible perversion tendencies, and by golly, I think that is going to have to be an extremely generous grant.


Money to be made, Tredici. ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh, by the way...I just found out who is publishing Amaechi's book:

ESPN.

[BroncoFiend]

Oh, by the way...I just found out who is publishing Amaechi's book:

ESPN.

Hardaway's comments about hating gay people and Amaechi's marketing tactics for his new book are two separate subjects.

Amaechi wants to sell a book. I have no problem with him trying to do so. The release date and pub on ESPN are certainly in an effort to sell as many as possible. Personally if he released a book like this at ANY OTHER time he would be an idiot.

He didn't tell Hardaway to come out and say what he said in order to help bring attention to his book. Hardaway did that on his own armed only with ignorance and hatred.

It's shameful what he said, to say you hate any broad group of people just because they are different from you is disgusting.

[alkemical]

Oh, by the way...I just found out who is publishing Amaechi's book:

ESPN.



Ding ding ding ding.

I knew that from the beginning. It's an art of guerilla marketing..... Alex Jones is good at it as well.

[Meck77]

Hardaway is a jackass. Not much more to say on the subject.

[bendog]

I worried about this all night long ... and well endowed African American males, in the shower.

[defenseman]

I personally don't care if someone hates gays or not. However, if asked , I would recommend they not make a public spectacle of themselves on that particular subject...dman

*We are ALL biased or prejudiced in various ways, some more so and more obvious than others. Publically "airing" them though, is just plain stupid.

[Hogan11]

Sometimes I feel very fortunate for not caring.....

[alkemical]

I worried about this all night long ... and well endowed African American males, in the shower.

It's all fun and games until someone looses an eye.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Oh, by the way...I just found out who is publishing Amaechi's book:
ESPN.What a bummer eh. I'm sure you think Gays r Us publications should be doing it.

[bendog]

It's all fun and games until someone looses an eye.

Hey, I saw that in a movie once. Glasses would be the way to go, I'd guess

[sirhcyennek81]

The only thing about homosexuals I never really understood is this need to announce their preference. Just like with the overly zealous of religious sects, it always seems to work it's way into the conversation somehow....the old "Well I'm gay"/"Well I'm born again"/"Well I'm Jewish"/ "Well I'm Catholic" etc. etc. etc. My usual response to any of this when it happens to me is "Well I really don't care"...because I don't.


Yet you comment on it...interesting. ;)



:Broncos:

[maven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVefZDgvFJc&NR

This thread seemed appropriate.

[maven]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9731d_4407

French anti-tank missle

[epicSocialism4tw]

What a bummer eh. I'm sure you think Gays r Us publications should be doing it.

Wow.

[watermock]

You Tube to the rescue yet again...that site rocks...Has that fem heard of simply stepping on it? I would tell him if he saw one, there are likely hundreds if not thousands where he came from...he would go screaming like a girl out of the station and get hit by a truck. Stomp on that Mr. Weathergirl.

It is unusual for a roach to appear in light, especially under camera lights. Probably was just a lady bug. Or a roach planned to attack the most vulnerable, the weathergirl.

[azbroncfan]

Wow.

Llama you have invested some serious time in this thread. Everytime I see it at the top of all threads your name was the last post.

[watermock]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9abc6_4507

This is brutally funny!

[Elway 4 Life]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6476604?MSNHPHMA

Now Hardaway is apologizing again. What bothers me the most is that he is apologizing now saying that he is a good person and doesnt hate gay people. F that! I wish these stupid ignorant people would just man up and say look I'm sorry for expressing how i feel out loud. Next time i will just keep my racist biggotry to myself. What he's doing now is just making it worse. I have no respect for the guy.