This threat I actually take pretty seriously

[Hotrod]

Every single day America get a threat of bombing this blowing up that but this one should prolly be taken fairly seriously. This group has already tried and failed to execute such actions in the past. The targets are prolly what would be considered "soft" targets. Very do able one would think and very disruptive to our lifestyle/way of life.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/14/saudi.oil.reut/index.html



DUBAI (Reuters) -- A Saudi wing of al Qaeda called for attacks on U.S. oil sources across the world, saying targets should not be limited to the Middle East and listing Canada, Venezuela and Mexico as U.S. oil suppliers.

The threat appeared in the al Qaeda Organization in the Arabian Peninsula's e-magazine, Sawt al-Jihad (Voice of Holy War), which was posted on a Web site used by Islamist militants.

"It is necessary to hit oil interests in all regions which serve the United States not just in the Middle East. The goal is to cut its supplies or reduce them through any means," it said.

The group was behind the February 2006 failed suicide attack on the world's largest oil processing plant in Saudi Arabia.

In 2003, al Qaeda militants launched a violent campaign to topple the U.S.-allied Saudi royal family with suicide attacks on compounds housing Westerners and on government buildings.

[Hotrod]

Surprise its from our "buddys" in Saudi Arabia :nono:

[Spider]

Saudia Arabia ? lets invade Turkey , rumor has it Turkey has WMD and Al Qadea ties ........

[Hotrod]

Saudia Arabia ? lets invade Turkey , rumor has it Turkey has WMD and Al Qadea ties ........

I think we should invade Chicago. They screwed up a perfectly good SB.

[TailgateNut]

Surprise its from our "buddys" in Saudi Arabia :nono:


Our buddies??? Me thinks they're GW and Co's buddies.

Spidey's got it right, we need to attack somebody, I've heard switzerland has handled some of Al Queda's money. We should attack them. They're obviously responsible.

[Bronco Bob]

al-Quada even blew up a bus in Iran:

>> TEHRAN, Iran - A car loaded with explosives blew up Wednesday near a bus carrying members of
Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards in southeastern Iran, killing 11 of them and wounding 31. An al-Qaida-linked Sunni militant group reportedly claimed responsibility.

Jundallah, or God's Brigade, has been blamed for previous attacks on Iranian troops in the area. The group, which accuses Shiite led Iran of discriminating against Sunni Muslim minorities in the southeastern region, also operates in Pakistan, where authorities have accused it of links to al-Qaida.
The attack took place near Zahedan, the capital of Sistan-Baluchestan Province, when a car packed with explosives pulled to a stop in front of the bus, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported. The car's occupants fled, and seconds later, the vehicle exploded, it said.

Eleven Revolutionary Guards were killed and 31 were wounded in the attack, provincial Gov. Hassan Ali Nouri told IRNA. He said one of the attackers was also killed in the blast, which he blamed on "elements of insecurity." IRNA initially reported 18 dead but later corrected that to 11.

State-run television said the bus had been taking the troops to work when the attack took place

"Why doesn't our foreign diplomatic apparatus deal with Pakistan, whose soil has turned into a safe heaven for insurgents?" he asked. His speech was broadcast live on state-run radio.

Soltan Ali Mir, a local Interior Ministry official, said five of those behind the explosion were arrested, IRNA reported. It did not say how many were involved.

"Two of the terrorists were arrested (immediately) after the attack. Police confiscated a camera and hand grenades from them. Later, three other terrorists behind today's bomb explosion were arrested," IRNA quoted Mir as saying.
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So much for the idea that Iran is supplying weapons to the insurgents in Iraq.

[Dudeskey]

Of course... and will you ever hear the Whitehouse or fox/abc/nbc/cbs/cnn talk about the Saudis funding Sunni militants (who btw are the ones targeting our troops most of the time)? Of ****ing course not... They're too busy trying to blame the Shi'a & Iran

[Rohirrim]

Meanwhile, Bush raises the CAFE standard, starts a gas tax, funds an extensive program of alternative energy research, and institutes a broad tax program of incentives for industry to free the U.S. from its dependency on foreign oil.



j/k

[defenseman]

Saudia Arabia ? lets invade Turkey , rumor has it Turkey has WMD and Al Qadea ties ........

I'm thinking the WMD's are in syria myself, but that, as they say, is for another day...dman

[Dudeskey]

Meanwhile, Bush raises the CAFE standard, starts a gas tax, funds an extensive program of alternative energy research, and institutes a broad tax program of incentives for industry to free the U.S. from its dependency on foreign oil.



j/k

LOL Bush transforming into Carter... imagine that

[Spider]

I'm thinking the WMD's are in syria myself, but that, as they say, is for another day...dman

No it is turkey , We captured a guy from turkey , tortured the hell out of him .........he fessed up

[defenseman]

Surprise its from our "buddys" in Saudi Arabia :nono:

Interesting. Wonder what Saudi arabia is doing about these malcontents...dman

[TailgateNut]

Meanwhile, Bush raises the CAFE standard, starts a gas tax, funds an extensive program of alternative energy research, and institutes a broad tax program of incentives for industry to free the U.S. from its dependency on foreign oil.



j/k


Ok Roh, enlighten me on the relevance of your statement in regards to the thread!

[Hotrod]

Interesting. Wonder what Saudi arabia is doing about these malcontents...dman


Zero zip nadda. They ruling family over there is busy covering their own butts not the least bit interested in our problems.

[Spider]

Zero zip nadda. They ruling family over there is busy covering their own butts not the least bit interested in our problems.

agreed ........... Iran isnt the enemy , Saudia Arabia is

[Bronco Bob]

agreed ........... Iran isnt the enemy , Saudia Arabia is

Add to that Pakistan is where the majority of Taliban fled to, and where
the Taliban was able to regroup, and where the Taliban is using as a
base to attack us in Afghanistan.

Oh, did I mention Pakistan has given them immunity from attacks
by the US inside of Pakistan?

[Spider]

Add to that Pakistan is where the majority of Taliban fled to, and where
the Taliban was able to regroup, and where the Taliban is using as a
base to attack us in Afghanistan.

Oh, did I mention Pakistan has given them immunity from attacks
by the US inside of Pakistan?

Pakistan also ? thats it , we invade Panama ...........

[defenseman]

Of course... and will you ever hear the Whitehouse or fox/abc/nbc/cbs/cnn talk about the Saudis funding Sunni militants (who btw are the ones targeting our troops most of the time)? Of ****ing course not... They're too busy trying to blame the Shi'a & Iran

Or giving minute by minute , blow by blow description of the "death" of anna nichol smith. Nothing is less news worthy..dman

[Dudeskey]

Interesting. Wonder what Saudi arabia is doing about these malcontents...dman

Nothing...
http://goddoubleplusblessamerica.org/jest/card-crown_prince_abdullah.jpg

[defenseman]

agreed ........... Iran isnt the enemy , Saudia Arabia is

Iran, is an enemy, and it appears at least parts of saudi arabia. Don't turn your back on iran, they will bite ya..dman

[Spider]

Iran, is an enemy, and it appears at least parts of saudi arabia. Don't turn your back on iran, they will bite ya..dman

oh I dont trust Iran keep your friends close , your enemies even closer ..All I am saying is we need to start looking at Saudia Arabia , I dont know the degree but there is a lot of Bad blood between these 2 countrys , I dont want us getting fooled into attacking the wrong country

[TailgateNut]

Iran, is an enemy, and it appears at least parts of saudi arabia. Don't turn your back on iran, they will bite ya..dman


What's worse: An enemy who stabs you in the chest, or a Friend who stabs you in the back?

[defenseman]

oh I dont trust Iran keep your friends close , your enemies even closer ..All I am saying is we need to start looking at Saudia Arabia , I dont know the degree but there is a lot of Bad blood between these 2 countrys , I dont want us getting fooled into attacking the wrong country

I don't want to ATTACK anyone right now. We need to clean up the mess in iraq, and re-group if at all possible...dman

[Hotrod]

The problem IMO is the use of the word friend is being used way to loose. If you think any of those countrys gives 2 shakes of a rats ass about us your nuts. That includes Israel.

[Spider]

I don't want to ATTACK anyone right now. We need to clean up the mess in iraq, and re-group if at all possible...dman

I wish we could ...... I would love to find away to win Iraq , and focus on terrorism out of Saudia Arabia , keep a close eye on Iran and N.Korea ........

[defenseman]

What's worse: An enemy who stabs you in the chest, or a Friend who stabs you in the back?

they are both, the same from where I sit. Either way, you end up dead. I see your tie in to the saudi's. However, a military response at this point in time is just plain ludicrous, that includes iran unless forced into it. finish iraq, get the hell out, and regroup...dman

[Spider]

The problem IMO is the use of the word friend is being used way to loose. If you think any of those countrys gives 2 shakes of a rats ass about us your nuts. That includes Israel.

true....... ford hater ;D

[Crushaholic]

We would win this war if the Middle East would actually start helping us out with getting rid of the radicals...:unamused:

[TailgateNut]

they are both, the same from where I sit. Either way, you end up dead. I see your tie in to the saudi's. However, a military response at this point in time is just plain ludicrous, that includes iran unless forced into it. finish iraq, get the hell out, and regroup...dman

Actually I prefer the Enemy! At least I can prepare for the inevitable!

[TailgateNut]

We would win this war if the Middle East would actually start helping us out with getting rid of the radicals...:unamused:


Righto!

[defenseman]

Actually I prefer the Enemy! At least I can prepare for the inevitable!

they both are of equal threats and both deserve preparation to a degree..dman

[defenseman]

We would win this war if the Middle East would actually start helping us out with getting rid of the radicals...:unamused:

Define: radicals...dman

[Rohirrim]

Ok Roh, enlighten me on the relevance of your statement in regards to the thread!

Just a sad commentary. These were things Carter did that Reagan immediately dismantled. Our cars now get worse mileage than they did in the 80s. If we had kept up Carter's incentives we might be largely free from a dependence on foreign oil. That was Carter's intention. After the oil embargo, he took a look down the road. Instead, we are more dependent than ever. That is our point of vulnerability. That is our biggest weakness. And because the largest part of our government, the military/industrial wing, is more crucially addicted to oil than any other part of our society, we will continue to fight war after war after war in the ME. In fact, written into the Perle and Wolfowitz doctrine was the idea of endless, profitable war. After all, if the chief expression of your society (in dollars) is going to be the manufacture of weapons, you have to have a way to test those weapons. And for that, you need oil. Lots of oil.

It's all oil, from top to bottom. There is an immense chain of U.S. actions going back decades that have brought us to where we are now. You could actually link our involvement with the Sauds going back to the 1920s and 30s(FDR's pact to protect the Sauds in exchange for oil), to the Saudis funding of fundamentalist Wahhabis (to keep the Imams off their backs), to the terrorists who threaten us today. You could toss in our overthrow of Mossadeq, our placement of the Shah of Iran in power, our backing of Saddam and a whole raft of other adventures throughout the region over decades - and all for the control of oil. In building our military/industrial complex, we made a deal with the devil. We constructed a vast chain of stupid mistakes which have led directly to today's "blowback," to use the CIA term for it.

[Crushaholic]

Define: radicals...dman

The radicals are the people who are promoting violence on a worldwide scale. I sincerely don't believe that the average Iraqi citizen who celebrated when we drove Saddam out of power is a "radical"...

[defenseman]

The radicals are the people who are promoting violence on a worldwide scale. I sincerely don't believe the average Iraqi citizen who celebrated when we drove Saddam out of power is a "radical"...

Just wondering what you all felt what a radical really is, agree with the definition. and yeah, they need to be dusted...dman

[TailgateNut]

Just wondering what you all felt what a radical really is, agree with the definition. and yeah, they need to be dusted...dman

Bush= radical/ extremist.

Someone who reacts to a situation in an extreme manner without considering the consequences of his actions, and someone who bases his extreme reactions on deep rooted religious beliefs

[Rohirrim]

Just wondering what you all felt what a radical really is, agree with the definition. and yeah, they need to be dusted...dman

Here's the funny thing. If Eisenhower and his fellow conservatives were alive today, they would consider George Bush and his entire cabal of neocons as "radicals." And that's the truth.

[cutthemdown]

as long as royal family is in power Saudi Arabia will try and work behind the scenes to help war on Terror. They have a precarious perch however and walk a fine line to keep the clerics in tow. We can never let what happen in Iran happen in Saudi Arabia. Are their rich Saudis and everyday Saudis that give money to terrorist. Yes there are a lot of money. Much of it is collected in the form of suppossed charity that never gets to Palestinians, poor other sunnis around the globe etc etc. The Saudi Govt has just as bad of a fight with terrorist as USA does and really are in this with us. It was interesting to hear that Venezuala was threatened. I guess just saying you hate Bush is not enough. You have to hate the American people also and show that by not selling us oil.

[defenseman]

Here's the funny thing. If Eisenhower and his fellow conservatives were alive today, they would consider George Bush and his entire cabal of neocons as "radicals." And that's the truth.

If so, what would they call the far "left wingers" out there today? Just a thought, ...dman

[cutthemdown]

Just a sad commentary. These were things Carter did that Reagan immediately dismantled. Our cars now get worse mileage than they did in the 80s. If we had kept up Carter's incentives we might be largely free from a dependence on foreign oil. That was Carter's intention. After the oil embargo, he took a look down the road. Instead, we are more dependent than ever. That is our point of vulnerability. That is our biggest weakness. And because the largest part of our government, the military/industrial wing, is more crucially addicted to oil than any other part of our society, we will continue to fight war after war after war in the ME. In fact, written into the Perle and Wolfowitz doctrine was the idea of endless, profitable war. After all, if the chief expression of your society (in dollars) is going to be the manufacture of weapons, you have to have a way to test those weapons. And for that, you need oil. Lots of oil.

It's all oil, from top to bottom. There is an immense chain of U.S. actions going back decades that have brought us to where we are now. You could actually link our involvement with the Sauds going back to the 1920s and 30s(FDR's pact to protect the Sauds in exchange for oil), to the Saudis funding of fundamentalist Wahhabis (to keep the Imams off their backs), to the terrorists who threaten us today. You could toss in our overthrow of Mossadeq, our placement of the Shah of Iran in power, our backing of Saddam and a whole raft of other adventures throughout the region over decades - and all for the control of oil. In building our military/industrial complex, we made a deal with the devil. We constructed a vast chain of stupid mistakes which have led directly to today's "blowback," to use the CIA term for it.

YEAH THINGS WERE SO GREAT UNDER CARTER!!!!!!!!!

[Rohirrim]

If so, what would they call the far "left wingers" out there today? Just a thought, ...dman

Hugo. ;D

[defenseman]

YEAH THINGS WERE SO GREAT UNDER CARTER!!!!!!!!!

I was in the navy while carter was in office. Trust me, it wasn't that good at all....dman

[TailgateNut]

as long as royal family is in power Saudi Arabia will try and work behind the scenes to help war on Terror. They have a precarious perch however and walk a fine line to keep the clerics in tow. We can never let what happen in Iran happen in Saudi Arabia. Are their rich Saudis and everyday Saudis that give money to terrorist. Yes there are a lot of money. Much of it is collected in the form of suppossed charity that never gets to Palestinians, poor other sunnis around the globe etc etc. The Saudi Govt has just as bad of a fight with terrorist as USA does and really are in this with us. It was interesting to hear that Venezuala was threatened. I guess just saying you hate Bush is not enough. You have to hate the American people also and show that by not selling us oil.

Would you translate that into english.

[defenseman]

YEAH THINGS WERE SO GREAT UNDER CARTER!!!!!!!!!

Highest approval ratings:

GW 90%
GH Bush 89%
Truman 87%
FDR 84%

Lowest approval ratings:

Truman 23%
Nixon 24%
Carter 28%
GH bush 29%

[Rohirrim]

YEAH THINGS WERE SO GREAT UNDER CARTER!!!!!!!!!

And what does that have to do with my post? I didn't say he was a good president. He wasn't. I said that the ideas he implemented to get us off of our oil dependency were good ideas and should have been maintained and added to up to the present day, and we'd all be a whole hell of a lot better off.