Bushii is bringing 7THOUSAND Iraqis to the US!!!

[bendog]

WTF? I thought we were fighting them over there and not here. This certainly will improve our security. and 18BILLION for refugees. They got people in ****ign fema trailers still in Miss.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_refugees

I guess I should just be glad I'm not a Jordanian with 700THOUSAND refugees

[Spider]

WTF? I thought we were fighting them over there and not here. This certainly will improve our security. and 18BILLION for refugees. They got people in ****ign fema trailers still in Miss.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_refugees

I guess I should just be glad I'm not a Jordanian with 700THOUSAND refugees

Hilarious! .............I wish I could say I was shocked , but soon Bush's **** up will be complete

[spdirty]

unbelievable...this a day after a bosnian refugee tried to play Columbine at a mall.

[TailgateNut]

un-f-ing believable. We don't take car of or own, but we'll just keep dumping money into the "Iraq Experiment".
Gotta love it!

[Spider]

un-f-ing believable. We don't take car of or own, but we'll just keep dumping money into the "Iraq Experiment".
Gotta love it!

we could have fixed so many problems , increasing Schools , lowering Class size , healthcare , Parking spots for everyone .............

[TailgateNut]

we could have fixed so many problems , increasing Schools , lowering Class size , healthcare , Parking spots for everyone .............


you forgot: Lowering the taxes for the super-wealthy. ;D

[Spider]

you forgot: Lowering the taxes for the super-wealthy. ;D

LOL .. that also

[Hotrod]

WTflyingF

I fear its officially to freaking late. Our country has slipped so far from what it was and should be that I dont see us coming back. Seriously from top to bottom the country as become a mess.

The only hope is people get their heads out of their ***'s and start paying attention. Even with that what can the average American do??? Not very damn much. We are force feed career politicians to vote for. The courts let child preditors off with slaps on the wrist. Our education system flat out sucks. Teen pregnancy/STD rates are at an all time high along with drop out rates. Drug/alcohol use is thru the freaking roof. Truckers drive slow in the fast lane. Kids shoot up schools/malls. I'm thinking about going out like watermock. Happy and drunk ;D

[Spider]

WTflyingF

I fear its officially to freaking late. Our country has slipped so far from what it was and should be that I dont see us coming back. Seriously from top to bottom the country as become a mess.

The only hope is people get their heads out of their ***'s and start paying attention. Even with that what can the average American do??? Not very damn much. We are force feed career politicians to vote for. The courts let child preditors off with slaps on the wrist. Our education system flat out sucks. Teen pregnancy/STD rates are at an all time high along with drop out rates. Drug/alcohol use is thru the freaking roof. Truckers drive slow in the fast lane. Kids shoot up schools/malls. I'm thinking about going out like watermock. Happy and drunk ;D

not to mention People in Gunny ;D

[TailgateNut]

WTflyingF

I fear its officially to freaking late. Our country has slipped so far from what it was and should be that I dont see us coming back. Seriously from top to bottom the country as become a mess.

The only hope is people get their heads out of their ***'s and start paying attention. Even with that what can the average American do??? Not very damn much. We are force feed career politicians to vote for. The courts let child preditors off with slaps on the wrist. Our education system flat out sucks. Teen pregnancy/STD rates are at an all time high along with drop out rates. Drug/alcohol use is thru the freaking roof. Truckers drive slow in the fast lane. Kids shoot up schools/malls. I'm thinking about going out like watermock. Happy and drunk ;D

The REAL problem lies with those who still believe all is just plain PEACHY!

[spdirty]

The REAL problem lies with those who still believe all is just plain PEACHY!

those are the lucky ones. Ignorance is bliss.

[Hotrod]

The REAL problem lies with those who still believe all is just plain PEACHY!

I agree but it wont change just because you dont like it. The media/congress/president/SC own/control what you see and the minds of the average Joe who just wants his cheap wal mart **** and low cost of gas. As long as American Idol is on at 7pm to hell with the future.

[Spider]

I havent seen an episode of American Idol ........... I do like Kerrie Underwood though , I guess she was on that show .............

[Hotrod]

I havent seen an episode of American Idol ........... I do like Kerrie Underwood though , I guess she was on that show .............

Shes kinda hot :~ohyah!:

[Spider]

Shes kinda hot :~ohyah!:

Kinda ? I thought of making her the next spider until I figured out how much Child support I would have to pay ;D

[TailgateNut]

those are the lucky ones. Ignorance is bliss.

WTF are you yapping about? Just because someones own house and finances are in order, doesn't make the "state of the US" Peachy.
...and if you feel that's good, that's ignorant!

[defenseman]

The REAL problem lies with those who still believe all is just plain PEACHY!

Nothing ever will be, nor has it ever been totally "peachy". Especially in the good ole' US of A. Plenty to make better, agreed...dman

[cutthemdown]

you people blow everything out of porportion. 7000 is a drop in the bucket.

[Hotrod]

you people blow everything out of porportion. 7000 is a drop in the bucket.


So your good spending your $ on them and not your countrymen???

[TailgateNut]

you people blow everything out of porportion. 7000 is a drop in the bucket.

how 'bout $366 billion wasted. Now that's blowing things out of porportion.
What's a couple more million here and there. Chump change.

What part of "we can't help our own, but are always willing to help others, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Damn!

[Dudeskey]

how 'bout $366 billion wasted. Now that's blowing things out of porportion.
What's a couple more million here and there. Chump change.

What part of "we can't help our own, but are always willing to help others, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Damn!


It sucks knowing that a fraction of that money could have done wonders for New Orleans

[Hotrod]

It sucks knowing that a fraction of that money could have done wonders for New Orleans

Exactly

In the meantime our friend Spider is stuck driving a ford. A freaking ford. Thats not the American dream we all deserve.

[Spider]

Exactly

In the meantime our friend Spider is stuck driving a ford. A freaking ford. Thats not the American dream we all deserve.

:rofl:

[Crushaholic]

The average Iraqi citizen isn't our enemy. We're fighting the radicals hostile to the United States and our allies...

[TailgateNut]

The average Iraqi citizen isn't our enemy. We're fighting the radicals hostile to the United States and our allies...

The "evildoers", right?

[cutthemdown]

So your good spending your $ on them and not your countrymen???

We could go on forever about what the govt spends money on we don't like. The federal government is set up to handle international affairs that it feels are important to our lives in the long run back home. We may not understand 400 billion dollars to fight a 4-5 year war that looked over after a few months. Trust me I understand where you are all coming from. The one guy said man what that would have done for New Orleans and I agree probably would have helped. The thing is though it doesn't work that way. If you think that money would have been spent on those things if war hadn't happened you are crazy. We all know it wouldn't have. Bush would have tried to use that money to stimulate economy with tax breaks etc etc not give it all to NO ( only one state in the union). It's just like why does everyone have to pay for schools even though I don't have or want kids? It's because it benefits the nation as a whole. Just like securing oil benefits the nation as a whole. The refugee that we will bring over will be ones that have really bad stories, have helped us forces etc etc. Kids with nowhere to go. A few here and there we can help just like we do in every war. I do however understand where you are all coming from I just don't think you all see the big picture all the time.

[defenseman]

The "evildoers", right?

Evil doers works. Kind of like the GSPC in algeria, they are there to create chaos and destroy , that's about it....dman

[cutthemdown]

how 'bout $366 billion wasted. Now that's blowing things out of porportion.
What's a couple more million here and there. Chump change.

What part of "we can't help our own, but are always willing to help others, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Damn!

I do understand why you are upset. Don't go adhering one issue to another though. The amount spent and your opinion it's been wasted don't go together because hindsight is 50/50. For all we know this protects our economy for next 50 yrs and means a lot more then a few 100 billion dollars. I agree though a staggering amount that us ordinary Americans have trouble picturing.

[TailgateNut]

We could go on forever about what the govt spends money on we don't like. The federal government is set up to handle international affairs that it feels are important to our lives in the long run back home. We may not understand 400 billion dollars to fight a 4-5 year war that looked over after a few months. Trust me I understand where you are all coming from. The one guy said man what that would have done for New Orleans and I agree probably would have helped. The thing is though it doesn't work that way. If you think that money would have been spent on those things if war hadn't happened you are crazy. We all know it wouldn't have. Bush would have tried to use that money to stimulate economy with tax breaks etc etc not give it all to NO ( only one state in the union). It's just like why does everyone have to pay for schools even though I don't have or want kids? It's because it benefits the nation as a whole. Just like securing oil benefits the nation as a whole. The refugee that we will bring over will be ones that have really bad stories, have helped us forces etc etc. Kids with nowhere to go. A few here and there we can help just like we do in every war. I do however understand where you are all coming from I just don't think you all see the big picture all the time.


That was a nice way to tell us "we don't know jack"!

[TailgateNut]

I do understand why you are upset. Don't go adhering one issue to another though. The amount spent and your opinion it's been wasted don't go together because hindsight is 50/50. For all we know this protects our economy for next 50 yrs and means a lot more then a few 100 billion dollars. I agree though a staggering amount that us ordinary Americans have trouble picturing.

How about "adhering" cuts for programs designed/ instituted to assist elderly and children with medical needs and shifting that to warmongering budgets.
PURE BS!

Now you see it, now you don't.

We have a bunch of magicians balancing our national checkbook!

I also believe this is not PROTECTING our economy, but is in fact guaranteeing that we will be spending more each year to combat the enemies we are creating by our actions.

[defenseman]

How about "adhering" cuts for programs designed/ instituted to assist elderly and children with medical needs and shifting that to warmongering budgets.
PURE BS!

Now you see it, now you don't.

We have a bunch of magicians balancing our national checkbook!

I also believe this is not PROTECTING our economy, but is in fact guaranteeing that we will be spending more each year to combat the enemies we are creating by our actions.

Spending does need to be reigned in soon, I'm thinking no one denies that hopefully....dman

[cutthemdown]

That was a nice way to tell us "we don't know jack"!

not really my intention. More just trying to get you to see that even though it seems evil oil is very important to our economy. If we just left Iraq in chaos and Sunnis start getting slaughtered by the 100,000's instead of the 1000's now Saudi Arabia would be forced to intervene somehow to help fellow Sunnis. Then the whole flow of oil could be compromised. Gas goes to being expensive to being rationed. Economy all over the world could go to crap.

[cutthemdown]

Spending does need to be reigned in soon, I'm thinking no one denies that hopefully....dman

I agree that Bush has spent a ton of money and is no fiscal conservative like he led people to believe at first. Just like Clinton turned out to be a lot less Liberal then some Democrats had hoped. Like my Dad always said though before you know it this president will be gone and we will be pissed at how the next one does the job. Not very often is the country really that happy with a President. I mean if you can get 60 percent approval rating for your whole time in office you are doing really well.

[Hotrod]

Wait a second here. Cutthemdown please explain to me how bringing 7,000 people over here on my dime is a good thing for me or my country? If lots of new faces without jobs/health insurance/english skills etc are a good thing I bet your thrilled with the current flow from the south. How are 7,000 more people without jobs/insurance etc going to help our seniors who cant afford their medication of proper treatment. How are they going to help the overrun health community. How are they going to help anything at all???

You say "The federal government is set up to handle international affairs that it feels are important to our lives in the long run back home"

How does this help again???

[defenseman]

not really my intention. More just trying to get you to see that even though it seems evil oil is very important to our economy. If we just left Iraq in chaos and Sunnis start getting slaughtered by the 100,000's instead of the 1000's now Saudi Arabia would be forced to intervene somehow to help fellow Sunnis. Then the whole flow of oil could be compromised. Gas goes to being expensive to being rationed. Economy all over the world could go to crap.

interesting scenario. If the saudi's did step in while this scenario was being played out, I can gaurantee you ALOT of refineries in that part of the world would go up in smoke via the al qaida types...interesting scenario indeed if it did play out that way..dman

[TailgateNut]

I agree that Bush has spent a ton of money and is no fiscal conservative like he led people to believe at first. Just like Clinton turned out to be a lot less Liberal then some Democrats had hoped. Like my Dad always said though before you know it this president will be gone and we will be pissed at how the next one does the job. Not very often is the country really that happy with a President. I mean if you can get 60 percent approval rating for your whole time in office you are doing really well.


60%, HA, Bush hasn't sniffed anything close to that since his "Mission Accomplished" improv. show!

BTW: I was ok with ol' slick Willy., and his 'sexcapades" didn't bother me one iota. Maybe that's why Bush wants to fight all the time. Lack-a-nookie can have negative effects.

[Spider]

How about "adhering" cuts for programs designed/ instituted to assist elderly and children with medical needs and shifting that to warmongering budgets.
PURE BS!

Now you see it, now you don't.

We have a bunch of magicians balancing our national checkbook!

I also believe this is not PROTECTING our economy, but is in fact guaranteeing that we will be spending more each year to combat the enemies we are creating by our actions.

slam Dunk .............

Wait a second here. Cutthemdown please explain to me how bringing 7,000 people over here on my dime is a good thing for me or my country? If lots of new faces without jobs/health insurance/english skills etc are a good thing I bet your thrilled with the current flow from the south. How are 7,000 more people without jobs/insurance etc going to help our seniors who cant afford their medication of proper treatment. How are they going to help the overrun health community. How are they going to help anything at all

You say "The federal government is set up to handle international affairs that it feels are important to our lives in the long run back home"

How does this help again
well you see it is like this , we bring those 7,000 over , they buy chevys , thuse saving 7,000 Americans from making the same mistake ;D

[Hotrod]

60%, HA, Bush hasn't sniffed anything close to that since his "Mission Accomplished" improv. show!

BTW: I was ok with ol' slick Willy., and his 'sexcapades" didn't bother me one iota. Maybe that's why Bush wants to fight all the time. Lack-a-nookie can have negative effects.

Its really prolly time to let this horse die BUT I have to admit it seems strange to me the people who had zero problems with Billy boy looking you in the eye and lying. I certainly think the thing was blown WAY out of puportion but he did lie. Worthy of all the press and government $/time that was spent on it certainly not but to be hunky dorie with it is amazing to me.

[TailgateNut]

Its really prolly time to let this horse die BUT I have to admit it seems strange to me the people who had zero problems with Billy boy looking you in the eye and lying. I certainly think the thing was blown WAY out of puportion but he did lie. Worthy of all the press and government $/time that was spent on it certainly not but to be hunky dorie with it is amazing to me.

I said his sexcapades didn't bother me. It wasn't our f-ing business, IMO. It was his wifes business.
The lying thing was a futile attempt at avoiding the ongoing witchhunt.

Regarding witch-hunts. When do we finally convict Bush for LYING to us???

[Hotrod]

I said his sexcapades didn't bother me. It wasn't our f-ing business, IMO. It was his wifes business.
The lying thing was a futile attempt at avoiding the ongoing witchhunt.



Regardless of the reason did it bother you that hey lied to your face???

[defenseman]

I said his sexcapades didn't bother me. It wasn't our f-ing business, IMO. It was his wifes business.
The lying thing was a futile attempt at avoiding the ongoing witchhunt.

Regarding witch-hunts. When do we finally convict Bush for LYING to us???

Are we back here again? ......dman

*It's my understanding no solid evidence has surfaced to prove he lied.

[defenseman]

Regardless of the reason did it bother you that hey lied to your face???

It did bother me...dman

[TailgateNut]

Are we back here again? ......dman

*It's my understanding no solid evidence has surfaced to prove he lied.


OK, lets bring it down to his IQ. Fibbed! I still have my pitchfork ready!

[TailgateNut]

It did bother me...dman

I actually thought it was futile and funny as hell!

[Hotrod]

I actually thought it was futile and funny as hell!

Umm ok fair enough

[Spider]

Clinton lying about a Blow Job ? naw didnt bother me 99.9% of guys caught , Lying their ass off , using the Jedi Mind trick , whatever would use this tactic ....
let me put it like this .........
I lie on my log books generally not that big of a deal , small fine , or shut down for 10hours ......
but now if I get caught with mislabeled or lying on placards on Hazmat , then I get a serious fine up to 100K , OUT OF SERVICE for up to 6 months , and possible jail time .........
see the difference ?true lying is lying , but there are degrees .........
a guy lying on his log book = not that big of a deal , in fact it is expected to a degree ......
Lying on Placards = Serious , could very well end up in someones death .... or worse in case of an Accident and spillage ......

[defenseman]

I actually thought it was futile and funny as hell!

Futile , yep. funny, in some respects in retrospect I have to undoubtedly agree. I don't know how he thought he was going to get away with it..dman

[defenseman]

Clinton lying about a Blow Job ? naw didnt bother me 99.9% of guys caught , Lying their ass off , using the Jedi Mind trick , whatever would use this tactic ....
let me put it like this .........
I lie on my log books generally not that big of a deal , small fine , or shut down for 10hours ......
but now if I get caught with mislabeled or lying on placards on Hazmat , then I get a serious fine up to 100K , OUT OF SERVICE for up to 6 months , and possible jail time .........
see the difference ?true lying is lying , but there are degrees .........
a guy lying on his log book = not that big of a deal , in fact it is expected to a degree ......
Lying on Placards = Serious , could very well end up in someones death .... or worse in case of an Accident and spillage ......


Hazmat is nothing to screw with, agreed...dman

[cutthemdown]

Wait a second here. Cutthemdown please explain to me how bringing 7,000 people over here on my dime is a good thing for me or my country? If lots of new faces without jobs/health insurance/english skills etc are a good thing I bet your thrilled with the current flow from the south. How are 7,000 more people without jobs/insurance etc going to help our seniors who cant afford their medication of proper treatment. How are they going to help the overrun health community. How are they going to help anything at all???

You say "The federal government is set up to handle international affairs that it feels are important to our lives in the long run back home"

How does this help again???

7000 Iraqi refugees is hardly enough to make a dent. Like I said these will be people that helped US forces or have really sad stories or just get lucky. To try and argue 7000 refugees will drag our economy down is a joke. We can easily absorb these people. I do however want illegal immigration controlled. Once again someone arguing two totally seperate issues as the same issue. These Iraqi refugees are ones we made refugees by destroying homes in an effort to secure American interests. Not the same as some Mexican looking for work and not wanting to follow the rules.

[cutthemdown]

Clinton lying about a Blow Job ? naw didnt bother me 99.9% of guys caught , Lying their ass off , using the Jedi Mind trick , whatever would use this tactic ....
let me put it like this .........
I lie on my log books generally not that big of a deal , small fine , or shut down for 10hours ......
but now if I get caught with mislabeled or lying on placards on Hazmat , then I get a serious fine up to 100K , OUT OF SERVICE for up to 6 months , and possible jail time .........
see the difference ?true lying is lying , but there are degrees .........
a guy lying on his log book = not that big of a deal , in fact it is expected to a degree ......
Lying on Placards = Serious , could very well end up in someones death .... or worse in case of an Accident and spillage ......

I've seen cases where truckers get into big trouble for lying on logs if they get in a bad accident.

[cutthemdown]

60%, HA, Bush hasn't sniffed anything close to that since his "Mission Accomplished" improv. show!

BTW: I was ok with ol' slick Willy., and his 'sexcapades" didn't bother me one iota. Maybe that's why Bush wants to fight all the time. Lack-a-nookie can have negative effects.

when did i say he had that approval. You need to learn how to not read between the lines so much. My point was next president will get railed on just as much. Just like Clinton did. Just like Carter did. Just like the bushes have. Really only Reagan got away with a lot.

[Bronco Bob]

when did i say he had that approval. You need to learn how to not read between the lines so much. My point was next president will get railed on just as much. Just like Clinton did. Just like Carter did. Just like the bushes have. Really only Reagan got away with a lot.

And even Reagan had Iran/Contra to deal with in his second term.

[cutthemdown]

And even Reagan had Iran/Contra to deal with in his second term.

true true but none of it ever really dented his popularity. Even Ollie North sort of same off as a hero that wouldn't rat out his guys etc.

[TailgateNut]

when did i say he had that approval. You need to learn how to not read between the lines so much. My point was next president will get railed on just as much. Just like Clinton did. Just like Carter did. Just like the bushes have. Really only Reagan got away with a lot.

Bull****. I can't imagine that this country will ever vote for another looser like Bush Jr.. If we (disclaimer: I never voted for Dubya) ever do again we need to provide free lobotomies for all who did!