HD-DVD and BlueRay Hacked

[Houshyamama]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121866

LOL

In the subtle words of Serj Tankian - "F**K THE SYSTEM"

Article - http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddvdbl.html

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It was only a matter of time. HD-DVD has been picked by the porn industry for their HD platform so this puts them out front in the HD war.

[snowspot66]

It was only a matter of time. HD-DVD has been picked by the porn industry for their HD platform so this puts them out front in the HD war.

Not necessarily.

I wish I still had the link to the article but two things reguarding the porn industry.

It's actually in decline when it comes to video/dvd sales. People are getting it online instead and it's impacting sales of hard copies apparently.

Porn is on blue Ray apparently. I thought like you did that it was not allowed on the format or something but apparently there are some porn blue ray discs and they are not done illegally or anything.

I saw these points discussed in an article but like I said I don't have the link so you'll just have to take it with a grain of salt.

However,

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/456

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/05/hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-releases-on-february-6th-2007/

Those links lead to surprising numbers about the format war. Blue ray has nearly caught up, and indeed may have already passed, HD discs.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't understand what this about. Are we talking about copying this stuff?

HD-DVD is the way to go between the two, but pick one and roll.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not necessarily.

I wish I still had the link to the article but two things reguarding the porn industry.

It's actually in decline when it comes to video/dvd sales. People are getting it online instead and it's impacting sales of hard copies apparently.

Porn is on blue Ray apparently. I thought like you did that it was not allowed on the format or something but apparently there are some porn blue ray discs and they are not done illegally or anything.

I saw these points discussed in an article but like I said I don't have the link so you'll just have to take it with a grain of salt.

However,

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/456

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/05/hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-releases-on-february-6th-2007/

Those links lead to surprising numbers about the format war. Blue ray has nearly caught up, and indeed may have already passed, HD discs.
Online downloading isn't going to work for 90% of the market where HD is concerned (file size) so it will come down to disc sales.

As long as Blu-ray players remain prohibitively expensive the general populace will purchase HD-DVD players when they decide to go HD.

Available HD porn movie list (as of 1-25-2007)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774092


I don't understand what this about. Are we talking about copying this stuff?

HD-DVD is the way to go between the two, but pick one and roll.

Copying and downloading. HD_DVD movies are now available on the net.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't understand what this about. Are we talking about copying this stuff?

HD-DVD is the way to go between the two, but pick one and roll.

Go down to your local Best Buy and check out a 1080p TV playing a Blu-ray disc, simply amazing!!!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Go down to your local Best Buy and check out a 1080p TV playing a Blu-ray disc, simply amazing!!!!!!!

I've got a 1080p at home....no HDDVD or Blue-Ray player yet. I have an XBOX360. I thought the XBOX played the HDDVD...and it does....for another 200 beans...I was disappointed.

[Drek]

I don't understand what this about. Are we talking about copying this stuff?

HD-DVD is the way to go between the two, but pick one and roll.

I'm guessing they mean on how to rip the video off a disk. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray only offer 1080p over digital cables that prevent ripping (HDMI or DVI). Its not exactly surprising if thats been cracked.

Could mean copying retail discs with computer drives too, but that is even less surprising.

[toad]

Wow...porn in HD....why hasn't that crossed my mind before?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm guessing they mean on how to rip the video off a disk. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray only offer 1080p over digital cables that prevent ripping (HDMI or DVI). Its not exactly surprising if thats been cracked.

Could mean copying retail discs with computer drives too, but that is even less surprising.Only Blu-ray offers 1080p. And the only way to view 1080p is through HDMI cable (or PC), no other cables will carry that signal.

Ooops, HD-DVD offers 1080p too but Blu-ray can conceivably hold up to 200 GBs of data to about 30 for HD-DVD.

[Garcia Bronco]

Wow...porn in HD....why hasn't that crossed my mind before?

It's actually not as good as you think. You see some things that you might not really want to see.

[Rock Chalk]

I dont think either one is going to win.

Video on demand is going to replace hard copies IMO.

[Drek]

As long as Blu-ray players remain prohibitively expensive the general populace will purchase HD-DVD players when they decide to go HD.
The Blu-Ray group is largely betting on the PS3 as a low priced trojan horse. $500 and you get a very capable blu-ray player that can double as a media center and game system. If you own a 1080p set its a hell of a deal.

I dont think either one is going to win.

Video on demand is going to replace hard copies IMO.

We're a good ways away before video on demand can provide a 1080p signal. That'd require some crazy bandwidth.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Blu-Ray group is largely betting on the PS3 as a low priced trojan horse. $500 and you get a very capable blu-ray player that can double as a media center and game system. If you own a 1080p set its a hell of a deal.

We're a good ways away before video on demand can provide a 1080p signal. That'd require some crazy bandwidth.

What I forgot to look at yesterday at Best Buy was how good the signal from cable or satellite looks like on a 1080p. I've heard some comments saying it doesn't look very good.

Does the PS3 play regular DVDs, SACD and DVDAs?

[kamakazi_kal]

The Blu-Ray group is largely betting on the PS3 as a low priced trojan horse. $500 and you get a very capable blu-ray player that can double as a media center and game system. If you own a 1080p set its a hell of a deal.



We're a good ways away before video on demand can provide a 1080p signal. That'd require some crazy bandwidth.

should also be noted that Ps3 player is JAVA based so when all the cool new features start coming out you wont be dated by an old player.............sorry xbox fans your not included in that boat

[kamakazi_kal]

What I forgot to look at yesterday at Best Buy was how good the signal from cable or satellite looks like on a 1080p. I've heard some comments saying it doesn't look very good.

Does the PS3 play regular DVDs, SACD and DVDAs?

depends on how much bandwith the satelite companys are giving to the signal in question
you may have noticed that all SD channels are getting worse and worse that is a product of taking space from SD material and allocating it to more and more HD material ,there is only so much space

ps3 will play regular DVD's not sure about the other 2

[Garcia Bronco]

I no the the regular DVD players will play the HDDVD's in 480..but you have to flip the disk.

[Cosmo]

I dont have a link as proof, but I've recently heard Disney is backing Blu-Ray. If that isn't a boost, I dont know what is.

[Dutch]

We're a good ways away before video on demand can provide a 1080p signal. That'd require some crazy bandwidth.[/QUOTE]

Not as far as you might think. The cable companies have been holding up fiber to the home or "Smarthomes" in the courts for around five years now. The Telco's finally won that battle and are gearing up to start deployment. The bandwidth available will make the number of HD channels (both standard and on demand) skyrocket as the phone companies are about to get into the entertainment game.


Dutch

[Garcia Bronco]

I dont have a link as proof, but I've recently heard Disney is backing Blu-Ray. If that isn't a boost, I dont know what is.

I think backing one or the other is dumb...you limit the capital to be made

[maven]

I'll stay away from the BD vs HD-DVD war. Upconverting dvd's is just fine for me.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Current HD_DVD movies I see out there. I don't see any Blu-ray anywhere.

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The.Chronicles.Of.Riddick.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1

Batman.Begins.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1.EVO

Pitch.Black.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1.EVO

Fear.And.Loathing.In.Las.Vegas.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1

Miami.Vice.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DTrueHD.7.1

Equilibrium HD-DVD 1080p H264 DDPlus 5 1 EVO

Kiss.Kiss.Bang.Bang.HD-DVD.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1.EVO

Serenity HD-DVD 1080p VC-1 DDPlus 5.1 EVO

I'll stay away from the BD vs HD-DVD war. Upconverting dvd's is just fine for me.I have a Samsung 841 HD upconverting DVD player but I'm going to jump in here sometime, just waiting for prices to come down more.

The upconverted picture is nice but nothing compared to real HD.

[Houshyamama]

I don't understand what this about. Are we talking about copying this stuff?

Both HD-DVD and Blueray are protected by AACS encryption, which was supposed to be extremely difficult to circumvent. But until quantum encryption hits the market, all codes will be breakable. In order to let you play the data, they have to give you the key(s) to the encryption. They think they are very good at hiding it, but the hackers are better at finding it. :thumbsup:

[maven]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug;1481745]Current HD_DVD movies I see out there. I don't see any Blu-ray anywhere.

/QUOTE]

Not to get all geeky and discuss, bitrate, compression, etc. I do like the fact you can purchase an HD-DVD/DVD combo disc of a particular movie. HD-DVD players are a lot cheaper than Blu-Ray. People tend to forget that avg. Joe consumer are the ones who drives the sales because the hardware geeks don't. Mention HD-DVD, they will probably understand what it is since we're surrounded by the term HD. Mention Blu-Ray, a lot of them will be puzzled and not know what it is. I would purchase an HD-DVD player first, then purchase say a PS3 for the blu-ray drive when they offer a price-cut(yes, this could be atleast a year, but since PS3's sales are pathetic it could happen sooner rather than later). Then I'll have both players eventually. This BD vs HD-DVD war could and probably will go on for years.

Like I said, for now I'll stick to upconverted DVD players.

[Drek]

What I forgot to look at yesterday at Best Buy was how good the signal from cable or satellite looks like on a 1080p. I've heard some comments saying it doesn't look very good.

Does the PS3 play regular DVDs, SACD and DVDAs?
Cable and satellite currently broadcast in 720p or 1080i (mostly the later) so it wouldn't give you full 1080p. However, a good upscaling TV would make it look pretty sharp all the same, or if you're lucky enough to have a cable provider that sends out 1080i with a high enough frame rate some TVs now can actually deinterlace on the fly giving you effectively a true 1080p signal. I've never actually met anyone with that setup though so I'm not sure how its done.

We're a good ways away before video on demand can provide a 1080p signal. That'd require some crazy bandwidth.

Not as far as you might think. The cable companies have been holding up fiber to the home or "Smarthomes" in the courts for around five years now. The Telco's finally won that battle and are gearing up to start deployment. The bandwidth available will make the number of HD channels (both standard and on demand) skyrocket as the phone companies are about to get into the entertainment game.


Dutch[/QUOTE]

I used to run fiber, believe me the cost is insanely prohibitive (largely because it has a very poor bend range compared to coax) and so it won't be ran nationwide for probably 5-10 years, i.e. the primary life cycle of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Also, the FCC limits the amount of bandwidth any broadcast company can send out. They should increase that limit as its very old and is now limiting to even 720p/1080i broadcasting companies but the FCC is horribly slow.

I think backing one or the other is dumb...you limit the capital to be made

They're just trying to force a standard. A fragmented market is a lot worse for their bottom line (having to turn out copies in two different mediums and dealing with twice the player peculiarities) than losing a few sales for the next few years. Thats why much of the movie industry is behind Blu-Ray, Sony Pictures is a retail giant, especially after buying much of MGM's catalog, so the major movie companies don't see any point siding with Toshiba and co. over them.