It has gone personal

[Spider]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/now_its_persona.html
Now It's Personal: Al Qaeda Calls Bush an Alcoholic Liar

February 13, 2007 12:30 AM

Brian Ross Reports:

Zawahiri_ic_070213_nr_2 The latest taped statement from al Qaeda is an unusually personal attack on President Bush, in which al Qaeda's No. 2 in command, Ayman al Zawahiri, denounces Bush as "an alcoholic, liar and gambler with an addictive personality."

Zawahiri delivers the attack in a 40-minute audio tape released overnight on Internet sites, and relayed to ABC News by an American terror analyst, Laura Mansfield.

On the tape, Zawahiri also condemns American Democrats "as one side of the same coin of tyranny, criminality and failure" for failing to challenge Bush policies as they said they would in the election.

The tape, apparently aimed at an American audience, contains English subtitles and a warning that American civilians are responsible for Bush policies because they "chose Bush twice."

The personal, intemperate attack on Bush was remarkable for the emotion and venom from the usually stoic Zawahiri.

"I don't know his present condition — Americans know best about that, as they are experts in alcohol and addiction to it — but the one who exams his personality finds that he is addicted to two other faults, lying and gambling," Zawahiri said. "He has gone down in history as one of its most notorious liars," he added.

[Rohirrim]

I feel like I'm stuck in some giant Jerry Springer show.

[defenseman]

Why do you think al qaeda has employed such a tactic?...dman

[Spider]

Why do you think al qaeda has employed such a tactic?...dman

simple despite our situation in Iraq , we are winning this war with Terror on other fronts ........
Al Qadea needs us in Iraq as much as Haliburton does

[Rohirrim]

Gambling, drinking and lying are immoral. Sawing the heads off of living people is not. Whatever.

[defenseman]

Gambling, drinking and lying are immoral. Sawing the heads off of living people is not. Whatever.

:giggle: Isn't that the truth. good take..dman

[Bronco Bob]

Gambling, drinking and lying are immoral. Sawing the heads off of living people is not. Whatever.


No, actually cutting heads off is also considered immoral to most of Islam.
Just like blowing up a church in Mississippi with small children inside
is considered immoral to most Christians. Who ever said fanatics were
concerned with morality?

[defenseman]

simple despite our situation in Iraq , we are winning this war with Terror on other fronts ........
Al Qadea needs us in Iraq as much as Haliburton does

fair assessment spide. I had the same thoughts, however, I'm thinking it may go a bit deeper. Not sure how yet.....dman

[bendog]

simple despite our situation in Iraq , we are winning this war with Terror on other fronts ........
Al Qadea needs us in Iraq as much as Haliburton does

I don't agree at all. They're having a harder time here in the US because either bushii's spying is keeping the muslims here at bay or the muslims here, despite hating bushii and our foreign policy, are decent Americans. I suspect a bit of both.

But, our policies in the ME are making new terrorists by the day, and our allies will have no choice but to become more regressive and oppressive if we don't change.

[defenseman]

I don't agree at all. They're having a harder time here in the US because either bushii's spying is keeping the muslims here at bay or the muslims here, despite hating bushii and our foreign policy, are decent Americans. I suspect a bit of both.

But, our policies in the ME are making new terrorists by the day, and our allies will have no choice but to become more regressive and oppressive if we don't change.

Keeping the "muslims" at bay or the islamo-facists terrorists types at bay? Their certianly is a bit of a difference. The last thing the WH wants, or anyone else for that matter, is another hit on mainland US of A. I can see him targeting those who harbor ill-will towards us..dman

[Elvis]

Keeping the "muslims" at bay or the islamo-facists terrorists types at bay? Their certianly is a bit of a difference. The last thing the WH wants, or anyone else for that matter, is another hit on mainland US of A. I can see him targeting those who harbor ill-will towards us..dman

Preach it!

[Spider]

well 1 thing is for sure al queera , is starting to come unhinged

[baja]

I feel like I'm stuck in some giant Jerry Springer show.

Damn Ro that sums it up about as good as it can be summed up. Great line that I will use from now on to express how I feel about this colossal cluster fuuck

[bendog]

Keeping the "muslims" at bay or the islamo-facists terrorists types at bay? Their certianly is a bit of a difference. The last thing the WH wants, or anyone else for that matter, is another hit on mainland US of A. I can see him targeting those who harbor ill-will towards us..dman

Well, the difference in the US and Europe (and the rest of the world) right now is that American muslims are not saying 9-11 was ok, or killing Americans in Iraq is justifiable. European muslims are saying it.

But, post 9-11 there was even talk of Muhammad Ali preaching world peace ... even though no American muslim I've met would even laugh at a notion that our policy in Israel/Palestine has been evenhanded. By and large, the American muslims seem to be having an attitude of "sitting this one out." That's a big shift from the post9-11 horror of killing innocents, which is clearly prohibited by the Koran.

The pt is that our policy in Iraq is creating more hatred of us in the world. That's not a debateable fact. Bushii denies it, but our own govt tells us it is true, and even Blair has been dragged kicking and screaming to it.

[Elvis]

Well, the difference in the US and Europe (and the rest of the world) right now is that American muslims are not saying 9-11 was ok, or killing Americans in Iraq is justifiable. European muslims are saying it.

But, post 9-11 there was even talk of Muhammad Ali preaching world peace ... even though no American muslim I've met would even laugh at a notion that our policy in Israel/Palestine has been evenhanded. By and large, the American muslims seem to be having an attitude of "sitting this one out." That's a big shift from the post9-11 horror of killing innocents, which is clearly prohibited by the Koran.

The pt is that our policy in Iraq is creating more hatred of us in the world. That's not a debateable fact. Bushii denies it, but our own govt tells us it is true, and even Blair has been dragged kicking and screaming to it.

Are you not aware of the victory celebrations held all over the U.S. after the attacks?

The hatred you talk about isn't something that started with the U.S. invasion of Iraq. It is a result of radical muslims that hate everything the U.S. stands for. Do you remember the attacks on the U.S. in 1993 and those since? this isn't a new phenom going on right now, it's old and just funded now by those that agree with the cause.

[bendog]

Elvis, no offense, but I've found your posts to be bigoted and frankly something out of Rushland. So, I don't respond.

[Elvis]

Elvis, no offense, but I've found your posts to be bigoted and frankly something out of Rushland. So, I don't respond.

Bigoted? How about factual? Try doing some research on the reaction around the country after the attacks. It's not made up garbage like is posted on boards it is documented.

Don't respond? When you are so far from being right it has to be corrected.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bigoted? How about factual? Try doing some research on the reaction around the country after the attacks. It's not made up garbage like is posted on boards it is documented.

Don't respond? When you are so far from being right it has to be corrected.
Most of it is. Go ahead provide a list of the "victory celebrations" in this country for reference since you said it happened though.

I remember most Muslims going into hiding.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Still waiting for your "It's not made up garbage" links on how Muslims launched victory parades in this country after 9-11 Elvis.

[defenseman]

Still waiting for your "It's not made up garbage" links on how Muslims launched victory parades in this country after 9-11 Elvis.

Elvis, would have responded by now. I'm thinking he got tossed again, for whatever reason. I think your efforts to get him to respond will be quite fruitless. No telling what his 'violation' was this time, or if there was one at all.......dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Elvis, would have responded by now. I'm thinking he got tossed again, for whatever reason. I think your efforts to get him to respond will be quite fruitless. No telling what his 'violation' was this time, or if there was one at all.......dmanWhy is that, it's been less than 24 hours since he claimed this latest "fabrication".

[defenseman]

Why is that, it's been less than 24 hours since he claimed this latest "fabrication".

He's been tossed, trust me. And to be honest, having gone through the majority of his takes, can't say as I know why. Guess the "benchmark" for getting tossed has moved in an interesting direction, what it is, has yet to be seen. Though, I do have my suspicions....dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's been tossed, trust me. And to be honest, having gone through the majority of his takes, can't say as I know why. Guess the "benchmark" for getting tossed has moved in an interesting direction, what it is, has yet to be seen. Though, I do have my suspicions....dmanWhy, how do you know, what for?

[defenseman]

Why, how do you know, what for?

Why and what for, who knows.....if you find it, let me know. I'm definitely on a search and destroy mission on this one...dman

[Garcia Bronco]

Sounds like they have declared war on us....bomb them all.

[bendog]

"This battle is the most visible part of a global war" against terrorists, countered the Republican leader, Rep. John Boehner (news, bio, voting record). "If we leave, they will follow us home. It's that simple."
--
I know people hear (-: believe this, but I don't follow the logic.

1. We have lost, or are losing, in Iraq. The civil war continues to increase in violence, and we are impotent to stop it. The sunnis who are attacking our troops are improving their weaponry, and casualties increase. And, now, according to bushii, the shiaa are attacking the troops (though bushii has lied so often ... and with Iran's nuke issue coming to the tipping point with sanctions, bushii has political reasons to lie again)

2. However, as we are losing in Iraq, we appear to be gaining against al queda. Pakistan continues to prune away, as had Indonesia.

3. However, outrage among younger muslims in places like algeria and britain and even canada has spawned a "home grown" version of terrorists with no, or just loose, ties to al queda. We've even seen one, maybe two, rather pathetic attempts here in the US. (I'm not sure I buy the govts story on the guys in upstate NY, and think they may be more a case of in the wrong place at the wrong time situation, like that Johnny Taliban guy)

So, I'm just curious as to why, logically, anyone can follow the gop line on Iraq.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Why and what for, who knows.....if you find it, let me know. I'm definitely on a search and destroy mission on this one...dmanI'm calling BS on your evading the question! You said he's been "tossed". Either say how you know this (Elvis probably PMed you) or quit starting threads acting like you "suspect" he may have been banned.

[defenseman]

I'm calling BS on your evading the question! You said he's been "tossed". Either say how you know this (Elvis probably PMed you) or quit starting threads acting like you "suspect" he may have been banned.

He told me..dman